1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: Chantel Cameron is the former boxing world champion in two 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: weight classes, but it was her love for Buffy the 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Vampire Slayer that got her there to begin with. With 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Buffy as her female role model, Chentel spent her teenage 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: years as an undefeated amateur kickboxer, but when she heard 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: the boxing was in at the London Olympics, she made 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: the switch. 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: While she didn't get to the Olympics, Chantelle has an 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: almost unblemish professional record, winning eighteen of her sofar nineteen 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: professional fights, and now she's gearing up for fight number twenty, 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: ready to unleash her competitive streak once again. My name 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: is Sophie and I'm the producer here at the Female 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 2: Athlete Project. This week, Chloe caught up with Chantelle as 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: she gears up for her comeback fight on the twentieth 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: of July. This is a passionate and fiery chat at times, 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: so warning there's a bit of course language, but we 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: hope you enjoy it. 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 3: Chantel, Welcome to The Female Athlete Project. 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on. 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to having your chat with you. 21 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 3: I think first first boxer we've had on. Oh, actually 22 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: we've had Taylor Harris Taylor Harris, who's an Aussie boxer 23 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 3: but also a f W player. I don't know if 24 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 3: you've heard of her. We've had her on but food 25 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: is her main sport. So first first pure boxer on 26 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: the show. So I'm looking forward to having a chat. 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: Can you take us back and tell us a little 28 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: bit about your childhood and describe what you were like 29 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 3: as a little kid. 30 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was always a bit of a handful. 31 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 4: I was always energetic and always loved play fighting, but 32 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 4: got me in a bit of trouble most of the time, 33 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 4: with people knocked in that amom's door saying since I 34 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 4: was beating so and so, wel but it was just 35 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 4: it was just lay fighting. It was nothing malicious. I 36 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 4: just liked watching Buffy the Vampire. I liked watching being that, 37 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 4: so I'll go out and I want to play it. Obviously, 38 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 4: I was a bit more heavy handy, a bit more 39 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: heavy heavy handed than most of the kids. So I 40 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 4: was a bit of a handful for a wom and 41 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 4: dad and nobody wanted me to get into the sport 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: of wats in. There was already no like do running, 43 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 4: do basketball? They didn't. They really didn't want me to 44 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 4: get into fighting, but I just kept pushing and pushing 45 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 4: and pushing being an annoying kid, and my mom and dad 46 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 4: took me to a local ci Watsing gym and ever 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 4: since then I never looked back. I was even at 48 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 4: the age of ten, I was training ki watching like 49 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 4: a like a box of wood. As a professional, maybe 50 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 4: not as intense, but as now much. I was in 51 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 4: the gym every night. I wouldn't miss training. I think 52 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 4: the most time I ever had off was a week 53 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 4: if I was ill, and even that was like the 54 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 4: bare minimum because I just loved being in the gym. 55 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 4: I loved the kill wots in like family that we had, 56 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 4: and I didn't want to miss out on tournaments. Even 57 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 4: as a kid, I was very active and always like 58 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 4: pushing myself to the limits and making sure that when 59 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 4: I was at the competitions, my dad would put me 60 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 4: in about four or five categories, so I'd be like 61 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 4: one mark to another mark to another mark, and I 62 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 4: don't know now, I look back and think, how do 63 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 4: I do that? Because sometimes I have one fight on 64 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 4: one mark and the referee would be calling my name 65 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 4: on the map at the other end of the leg. 66 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 4: You said, now, so I've been running over having another fight. 67 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 5: It was. 68 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 4: It was crazy, but you know, when I look back, 69 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 4: I think what an experience, and I think it's also 70 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 4: made me the fighter I am today as well, and 71 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 4: it's because my parents really investing in me and putting 72 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 4: all the time and money into Macky Watson days. And 73 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 4: I loved them as well. When I when I left 74 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 4: you Watson, actually cried my eyes out because I didn't 75 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: want to quickly wax in. But got to the stage 76 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 4: where it was going nowhere for me and obviously boxing. 77 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 4: It was announcing the twenty twelve Olympics, and my Watson 78 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: coach was kind of like, I've got good hands and 79 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 4: I could do well in boxing, so he pushed me 80 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 4: into the boxing side of things. 81 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: You touched a lot on your parents and how they've 82 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: supported you in your sporting career. 83 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 5: It was bought a big part of your family growing up. 84 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 4: No, not all. That's the weird thing. No one in 85 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 4: my family sporty. I think my great granddad was a 86 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 4: boxer in the army, but that's all we've got. And 87 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 4: my dad not sporty whatsoever. Roman sister not sporty, and 88 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 4: I don't think even my cousins were nothing like I 89 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: think my cousins were good at One of my cousins 90 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 4: very good runner and cyclists, but that's right. I'm another 91 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 4: cousin was good at micoclass, but I did try to 92 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 4: get my dad and my uncle tried getting into mitoplass 93 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 4: but didn't work. So it was like, yeah, I don't 94 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 4: think you're doing good at microclass, so I hope let 95 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 4: me go to the Watson gym. 96 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: Well do you think it was that kept you going 97 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: in the sport for such a long time, kind of 98 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: finding obviously that love for kick boxing and then working 99 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: out that they might be a potential to go to 100 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 3: the Olympics. 101 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: I think it would say my family the biggest supporters, 102 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 4: and they've always when obviously in sport, you know how 103 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 4: it is. It's a rollercoaster. There's many highs and many lowers, 104 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 4: and I'm very competitive, so losing to me is like 105 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 4: the end of the world. So when I'd lose, I'd 106 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 4: be like I'm doing this anymore, like kind of bothering BA. 107 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 4: But then my family would be like like, shut up, hotel, 108 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 4: just get back in the gym and just quite harder. 109 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 4: So it was kind of like tough love, but it 110 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 4: was good because it's kept me, kept me going. And 111 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 4: obviously in pro boxing there's a lot of politics, which 112 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 4: is a lot different to the Key Wox and days 113 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 4: where he Watson was just family. It was just like 114 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 4: own family, friendly, just like a bond that especially me 115 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 4: and my dad had, like going around the country at 116 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 4: tournaments and competitions. It was. It was just completely different 117 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 4: where when I went into boxing, when I got onto 118 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 4: Team GB, I realized it was kind of suck the 119 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 4: love out of it because it was more you're trying 120 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 4: to get to the Olympics, you have rivals, and it's politics. 121 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: Boxing is just full of politics, and it did suck 122 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 4: that kind of love out for me. But I just 123 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 4: love fighting, so I knew that I had a career 124 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 4: in fighting and I was getting paid to fight and 125 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 4: I was good at so I just stuck it. And 126 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 4: I definitely say my family had been the best influence 127 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 4: on the dark and down dairs. They've kept me going. 128 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: Was that a hard decision to go into professional boxing? 129 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 3: And probably before you answer that, can you just give 130 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: us a bit of a breakdown for listeners who might 131 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 3: not know how boxing works in terms of amateur and pro. 132 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 4: Yes, So how much of boxing is more? It didn't 133 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 4: suit me as much, so I've done well. So I 134 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 4: was on TEMGB for five or six years and I 135 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 4: just narrowly missed out on qualification for the Vio twenty 136 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: sixteen Olympics. But how much are boxing is less rounds? 137 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 4: So when I was amateur boxing, it was four two 138 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 4: minute rounds, but I think it's three freeze now for women, 139 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 4: it was more like tiktappy, so you're on your toes more. 140 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 4: It's screwing points, so like if someone's head gets knocked back, 141 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: you screw a point. And body shots ain't really counted 142 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 4: as a point, so it's obviously it's very like it's 143 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 4: more boxing and a bit more technical. And you never 144 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 4: really suited me because I like to fight on the 145 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 4: inside and get stuck in. So that's more amateur where 146 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 4: pros is and you wear headguards, so it's amateur and 147 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 4: you wear bigger gloves, and PRIs you have no headguard. 148 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 4: You wear eight ounce gloves and you do more round 149 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 4: so you do ten twos if you're fighting for a title, 150 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 4: or you do six twos or eight twos, depends what 151 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: level you're at, and pro boxing is just more you 152 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 4: can get stuck in where you can, like well, knock 153 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: someone out and it gets awarded and the fart overwhear. 154 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 4: In the amateurs, it's hard to knock someone out because 155 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 4: you have bigger gloves on. But they're not really looking 156 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 4: for brawlers. They want technical boxers, and pro boxing always 157 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 4: suited me a lot more. 158 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 3: Just even the way that you're talking about it, I 159 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: feel like you're the kind of person who likes getting 160 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 3: stuck in more. 161 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, more to have a fight and get into 162 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 4: a terror and happy. 163 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: And you've progressed like incredibly throughout your career. What does 164 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 3: it feel like to reflect like you're still biding them 165 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: all get to the fight that you're preparing for a 166 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: little bit later in the chat, But what does it 167 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: feel like to look back on what you've already achieved today? 168 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 4: When I look back, I achieved things I never thought 169 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 4: was possible because I've always like not had the best 170 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 4: self belief, and my coaches always said I need to 171 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 4: believe myself more, I need to see what they see, 172 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 4: So I always doubted myself. I never thought I'd become 173 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 4: a world champion. I never thought I'd become a unified 174 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 4: world champion. I definitely didn't think I'd become undisputed, but 175 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 4: I did it, and I think that was just my 176 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 4: perseverance and maybe the fact that I wasn't arrogant and 177 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 4: cocky that I thought I'm going to do all this 178 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 4: because of good whether it's always pushed myself to be, 179 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 4: but I would never satisfied with what I'm doing. So 180 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 4: I could box and win every single round, but I'd 181 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 4: always be like, that wasn't good enough. I need to 182 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 4: be bar So I think that that's not I think 183 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 4: that's probably my best strength is because I've never conplacent 184 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 4: and we always ve for more. But when I did 185 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 4: become undisputed, it was kind of like what do I 186 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 4: do now? I achieved I wanted to achieve in boxing, 187 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 4: and then I got my fight with Katie Taylor the 188 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 4: first fight and I beat Katy Taylor, and it was like, 189 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: what am I going to do now? And I did try. 190 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 4: I wanted to become a two way in disputed world champion. 191 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 4: So my fight before Katie Taylor was in Abbi Dabbie 192 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 4: against Jessica mccaskell, who was a weight above me understewed 193 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 4: world champion and I beat her, so I said, let 194 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 4: me fight for your belts. Let's prun it back, but 195 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 4: put your belts on the line, and that could have 196 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 4: been my achievement of becoming a two undisputed world champion. 197 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 4: But she didn't want that. So when I beat Katy Taylor, 198 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 4: I had to rematch because it was contracted, and I said, then, like, 199 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 4: let's run it back, but at the lower weight for 200 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 4: her belts. Then it was like another swimming that's going 201 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 4: to give me that hunger and something to achieve. Where 202 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 4: defending my belts again, it was kind of like I've 203 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 4: done it, I've beat you or done it, and I've 204 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: got to do this again, Like how do I get 205 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 4: motivated for that? But she wouldn't put her belts on 206 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 4: the line, so I ended up losing that fight and 207 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 4: it was kind of like a massive lesson to me 208 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 4: that I do need that I need. I need something 209 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 4: to want to achieve and not just get in the 210 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 4: ring because it's a fight and I need something to 211 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 4: give me kick up the ass really and if it's missing, 212 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 4: then it's it's not good for me. 213 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: Can you break that down to you can fight someone, 214 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: but they if they don't want to put their belts 215 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 3: on the line. You still fight them, but it's just 216 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: to have a fight. 217 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 4: Yes, So like when I beat Kate the first time, 218 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 4: was always I wanted to prove to everyone I beat. 219 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: Most people's eyes, it was the best female boxer and 220 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 4: I knew that I could beat her, so I wanted 221 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 4: to show everyone that I could do that, and I 222 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 4: did do that at home comment so I ruined her home. 223 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 4: Coomembers meant to be a cake Taylor win, especially like 224 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 4: Ka Taylor. But I turned up to Island and I 225 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 4: ruined the show for them, and that was my best achievement. 226 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 4: I was literally on cloud nine. I was on top 227 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 4: of the mountain. I showed everyone how good I am, 228 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 4: and then when it comes to the rematch, it was 229 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 4: kind of like, couldn't go up for it because I 230 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 4: was putting my belts back on the line again. She 231 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 4: went to her belts on the line, had to go 232 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 4: back to Dublin where it was so hostile. I've never 233 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: It's like the weirdest experience because as a gain food 234 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 4: it was just it was horrendous, like she would hit 235 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 4: my arms and the cloud would go ballistic, and it 236 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 4: was clearly like the shots hit my arms and obviously 237 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 4: that could have an impact on judges as well, and 238 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 4: because my head was already like I don't really want 239 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 4: to be here. It was just a bit of a 240 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 4: It was a poor performance for me and it was 241 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 4: but also a lesson because I realized with that sort 242 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 4: of mindset, you shouldn't get in the win, and I 243 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 4: think that's with me now. It's kind of like belt 244 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 4: on the line and no belt on the line. I've 245 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 4: got to make sure that I've got that motivation and 246 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 4: hunger to no matter what the crowd's doing, no matter 247 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 4: who I'm against, I've gotta want that win more than anything. 248 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 4: But with that fight, I was gonna just it just 249 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 4: wasn't my night. 250 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: So you beat Katie and then she beat you, and 251 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: then you're waiting for the decider the third fight. 252 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 4: But she did a runner we should be So she 253 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 4: beat me and she actually headbutted me and my head 254 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 4: was like gashing with blood and I scored a knockdown, 255 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 4: but the referee didn't give me a knockdown. So the 256 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 4: fight was a bit like it was a bit controversial, 257 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 4: to be fair, because she hit the floor and it 258 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 4: should have been a ten eight round but the referee 259 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 4: just got brushed off saying she slipped, but my fist 260 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 4: hit her in the chest and she fell, so it 261 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 4: was a knockdown, and she was phoning some headbuts in 262 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 4: and I had a massive cut on my head. So 263 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 4: the fight was just it just wasn't going to go 264 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 4: well for me the whole night. And after she did 265 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 4: beat me, she said about because women's boxing never had 266 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 4: a trilogy, so for women's boxing, it would have been 267 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 4: absolutely massive because women's box is still growing and it 268 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 4: still needs these sort of big fights. And she did 269 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 4: say in her country, in front of all of her 270 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 4: fans and people, that the next fight would only be 271 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 4: a trilogy for her for women's boxing to push on. 272 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 4: But then she changed her mind and she walked away. 273 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 4: What's wearing fighting someone else? Now? 274 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: What does that mean for you when you're kind of 275 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: preparing for that fight and then it just doesn't happen. 276 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 4: So, to be honest with you, the fight that if 277 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 4: we had the third fight, it'll be a completely different fight, 278 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 4: because now I'm gonning for her, like I have no respect. 279 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 4: I want my belts back because I lost all my belts. 280 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 4: And if it went back to Island, no matter where 281 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 4: would box, it'd just be a different scenario because she's 282 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 4: all I think about now. She took me first. She 283 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 4: gave me my first loss, so I want my redemption. 284 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 4: I took her first last. She got a chance to redemption. 285 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 4: But she's not giving me that chance. And now, like 286 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 4: I'm built up with anger because I just want my 287 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 4: hands back on them belts and put that put that 288 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 4: wrong right again. But obviously, kind if she's not willing. 289 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: To fight me, how is it for you as a boxer, 290 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: Where like, when the lights are on, everything's happening, there's 291 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 3: a huge amount of attention on you from all across 292 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: the globe, particularly for a fight like that, and then 293 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: it finishes, and some things that are out of your control. 294 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 4: So, to be honest with you, people don't understand it 295 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 4: because unless you like you've done it, and you've boxed 296 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 4: or competed at a high level, you're prepare for so long. 297 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 4: People don't see the preparation that you put in for 298 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 4: a big night or a bigger vent, and you literally 299 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 4: tunnel vision for ten twelve weeks. You head down and 300 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 4: you have your big night, and then when it's over, 301 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 4: you're on a massive come down and the adrenaline wears out. 302 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 4: And after events like that, I'm always ill for about 303 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 4: a week because I think like it's I'm quite a 304 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 4: shy person as well. So the whole build up, the 305 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 4: whole fight week, the build up, it just exhausts me. 306 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 4: And then I'm zapped. And then when it comes to 307 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 4: when it's all over it and you don't know when 308 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 4: your next fight is going to be. It's very political boxing, 309 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 4: so you told one thing, but an everything will happen, 310 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 4: and then you wait for a call to be when 311 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 4: you fighting, and you had all that media and all 312 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 4: that tension for a week or two, and then when 313 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 4: your fight's over, you're just you've forgotten about You're just 314 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 4: it's just a bit of history and yes, yesterday's nerves. 315 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 4: So it is quite hard to like now I got better, 316 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 4: Like You're just into keeping myself busy when my fights 317 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 4: are over, because I used to really struggle with it 318 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 4: and mentally or just I'd be zapped and it would 319 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 4: be like a massive, massive come doown where I'd be 320 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 4: poorly for like a week and then to just get 321 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 4: back up and get back out there again. 322 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: Is it a lot of pressure on you when you're 323 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: not fighting to keep your followers happy and your sponsors happy, 324 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: because it's it is it's these when it is few 325 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: and far between of your fights, Like I imagine that's 326 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: a lot of expectation around the work that you. 327 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 5: Have to put into your social media and things. 328 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. I think I was a sponsors 329 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 4: to paying me to represent them and get their name 330 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 4: out there. And sometimes like if you sometimes you're said 331 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 4: a human being, if you need to step away from 332 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 4: social media for a week or two or however long 333 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 4: you need, like you should because it's your mental well being. 334 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 4: But when you do have commitments to sponsors and you 335 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 4: want to keep your fans happy and you're selling tickets, 336 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 4: it is hard to step away. And also like you've 337 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 4: got to keep everyone knowing what you're doing and sending 338 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 4: you active and showing people what you're up to. But 339 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 4: then also do you want to really end in your 340 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 4: personal life as well? So it's kind of like how 341 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 4: much of your personal life do you want to shy? 342 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 4: Can you step away from social media for a month 343 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: or two? So it's kind of like can you can't you? 344 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 4: And you know that if you do separate, you are 345 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 4: gonna you could lose money potentially as well, so it 346 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 4: is quite tricky. And social media now it calls everything, 347 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 4: it's taken over. 348 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: Do you find there's more pressure for women in boxing 349 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: to put a lot into their social media compared to men. 350 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 4: I think that's a very good question. I think a 351 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 4: lot of women feel them that, so whereas I'm the opposite, 352 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 4: like I generally couldn't care, Whereas I think like a 353 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 4: lot of women are having to do the whole. I'm 354 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 4: a woman, I'm a woman. I want to be sexy, 355 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 4: I want men's eyes on me and that kind of 356 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 4: thing for social media, like to get followers and attract attention, Whereas, 357 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 4: like I believe in a good fire and I think 358 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 4: I've kind of learned as well, you can't please everyone, 359 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 4: So I'm just going to please myself and I'd rather 360 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 4: be comfortable and happy and also respectful to my family 361 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 4: of what I do put on social media and what 362 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 4: I don't put on. So I think women are trying 363 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 4: to sell that a bit more because obviously women's boxing 364 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 4: ain't the same as the men's and women's box is 365 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 4: still growing massively, so I think a lot of women's 366 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 4: boxes are having to go down the root of being 367 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 4: on social media and make himself look sexy and get 368 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 4: followers to be like men mainly to be attracted to 369 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 4: them and think they're sexy, to get their face and 370 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 4: they out of them more. But I just can't be 371 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 4: bothered because I think rather people just respect me from 372 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 4: my fighting and whoever comes with it comes with it. 373 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 4: But I wouldn't. I wouldn't change your arm just for 374 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 4: followers and views and set a few more tickets. 375 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 5: What is your experience been like with trolls on social media? 376 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 4: Are horrendous trials and social media? Then they're the ones 377 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 4: that make you want to come off social media, But 378 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 4: then you do have responsors to keep happy. You do 379 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 4: have the genuine fans. I have some amazing fans that 380 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 4: are amazing that support me since the very very stat 381 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 4: and I think, why should come on social media and 382 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 4: not interact with the nice people and the genuine people 383 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 4: and the supporters. But I've had a load of trials 384 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 4: over the time, like loads, and I just think how 385 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 4: misuable could you be to sit there behind the screen 386 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 4: and abuse a woman for trying to achieve her goal 387 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 4: and say horrendous things. But if they see me to 388 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 4: my face. They wouldn't say nothing. They probably ask for 389 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 4: a picture or say help, well I'm doing, or just 390 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 4: be nice. And I just think it's just sad the 391 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 4: confidence and bravery social media gives people, especially on fake accounts. 392 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 4: But the sad thing is is it's the next generation. 393 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 4: They've got to go through this, and people can be 394 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 4: vile on social media or where I'll kind of fix skin, 395 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 4: where I just think, are you idiots? Or I just 396 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 4: laugh at and thinking you've probably sat high and miserable, 397 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 4: nothing good going on in your life, so you want 398 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 4: to bring someone else down to the day. And it does. 399 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 4: Like I think anyone who says when they read stuff 400 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 4: on social media about them says it doesn't upset them, 401 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 4: it does upsets everyone. No one wants to see bad 402 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 4: stuff about bad stuff about yourself and social media because 403 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 4: you know that the whole world can see it and 404 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 4: you can't do anythink about it. So it does it. 405 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 4: It does suck, and it just make me feel pretty 406 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 4: shitty for a few days. But at the same time 407 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 4: as you can't you can't please everyone, and you can't 408 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 4: change the world. And unfortunately the world now is full 409 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 4: of nasty people that want to go on social media 410 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 4: and makes them feel rubbishbout himself. 411 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: I've just seen your chat on your arm it says positive. 412 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: Where did that come from? 413 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 5: Yeah? 414 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 4: So ups and downs in boxing because I've had a 415 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 4: viler post stuff and I think it was my brother. 416 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 4: It basically was like, just got to always look at 417 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 4: the positive side of things because the down days don't 418 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 4: last forever and the good days don't last ever either, 419 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 4: So just stay positive, work hard, and when when the 420 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 4: bad days come, just grinding through it because you know 421 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 4: that it's going to come to an end at some point. 422 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 4: And if it was plain sailing, everyone will be doing 423 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 4: it and the downfalls make you stronger. So add positive. 424 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 4: Just to remember to always be positive and look on 425 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 4: the right side of life. 426 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 5: I love that. That's really cool. 427 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 3: A question I've been asking a lot of athletes recently 428 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 3: is what is your favorite failure? 429 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 4: So my favorite failure will probably be probably be losing, 430 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 4: because losing gives me that question. Look question myself to 431 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 4: think how much do I really want this? And nobody 432 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 4: I'm the biggest loser, like biggest bad loser. I hate losing, 433 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 4: so I faint anything personal best in the gear, set 434 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 4: my mind up and not achieving it. Losing a fight 435 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 4: it makes me think how much do I really want this? 436 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 4: Or have I still got it in the tank to 437 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 4: want to be the very best in my sport? So 438 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 4: I think probably that would be my That would be 439 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 4: my favorite failure is losing because he gives me understanding 440 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 4: of wherever I'm at in my life and how much 441 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 4: I really want something. 442 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. That's really cool. I've heard a story. 443 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 3: I've heard you tell a story about a teacher that 444 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 3: pretty much said you weren't going to amount to anything. 445 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 3: Can you tell that story and where it kind of 446 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 3: came from. 447 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was my psychology psychologist teacher. I wasn't 448 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 4: good at psychology in two fat I weren't the best 449 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 4: in education, like I did struggle a bit because I 450 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 4: was always kill watching boxing and if I could turn 451 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 4: back time, I would to put more into my schoolwork. 452 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 4: But psychology, it was just way with my head and 453 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 4: I didn't enjoy the session. So it didn't take a 454 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 4: it didn't take a massive light to me. And I remember, yeah, 455 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 4: when they just said are you going to be sixteen less? School? 456 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 4: Packing shelves in tesco our your kids at time and 457 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 4: I was just like wow, and I went I said 458 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 4: it to my moment. Obviously, my mom was like going 459 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 4: crazy because I can't say that to a sixteen year 460 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 4: old girl, especially because of the area that I was from. 461 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 4: It was a step steric typical thing to say to 462 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 4: some of them the Eastern District, and nothing was done 463 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 4: about it because he was a teacher and back then 464 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 4: they can say what they wanted to say. But I 465 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 4: always held it even to this day. I always been 466 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 4: I'd love to see him now and say, don't have 467 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 4: no kids, become a world champion in boxing, and I've 468 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 4: got my own properes so ock. 469 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 5: You I love that's that's really cool. 470 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 3: And then just flexing those world titles is pretty special. 471 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 4: Is yeah, yeah, I think you got me completely wrong. 472 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 4: It may not be a psychologist, but I've got a 473 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 4: few houses and I don't know, okay. 474 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 5: And boxing, what has that experience been like for you? 475 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 3: Like the properties and just learning how to look after 476 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 3: your money and invest in kind of planning for your future. 477 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 4: I'm very good at saving. It always happened, and I 478 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 4: always always know that anything could happen in sports, especially boxing, 479 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 4: like for example, my last my last fight was supposed 480 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 4: to be with Kay Taylor for the trilogy, and again 481 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 4: Poditis got involved. But when I did lose, the promotero 482 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 4: at the time went into my changing room. I was 483 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 4: getting my head stitched up from being headbird, and he 484 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 4: come into my changing room saying, oh, I don't worry. 485 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 4: She took the last but the trilogy, she'll become a 486 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 4: millionaire and all this and this is from the promoter. 487 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 4: And then when it comes to negotiations, they was going 488 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 4: to pay me less money than both fights. It took 489 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 4: a massive u turn and I accepted it. I accepted. 490 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 4: I thought, you know what I want this trilogy, so 491 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 4: I'll take less money than the first two fights, even 492 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 4: though you did come in a changing room and staying 493 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 4: fron of my team at the time, my dad that 494 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 4: I was going to be earning a lot more money now, 495 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 4: but then it took her. Actually, when he did offer 496 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 4: me the money, it was less than half, but I 497 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 4: was like, listen, I want the fight. But examples like 498 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 4: that have always known that sport is like it's all 499 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 4: about money in this in Pyox and as much as 500 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 4: much that I love the sport, it's eighty percent business, 501 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 4: twenty percent boxing and all up in control the fight inside. 502 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 4: The money's on the business side I have no control over. 503 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 4: So when I started doing well in boxing, straight away 504 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 4: I was putting money into property because I know that 505 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 4: box is not going to last for ever and it's 506 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 4: full of forced promises and you never know when my 507 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 4: last fight could be. I could get injured tomorrow, So 508 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 4: I'm always very smart and making sure that I've invested well, 509 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 4: just because you never know. There could be a rainy 510 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 4: day where it all ends to me. 511 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 3: What has it been like your experience being a woman 512 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 3: in a sport that has been traditionally quite male dominated. 513 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 4: So again this is where the social or media trials 514 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 4: come in. Because I'm a woman in a male dominated sport. 515 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people say as well, don't 516 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 4: say it openly, whereas I'm Mary. What you see is 517 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 4: what you get, and that could be my downfall in boxing. 518 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 4: But at the same time, as I want the next 519 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 4: generation to be like that, I think, don't be fake, 520 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 4: don't be a people pleaser just to try get what 521 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 4: you want, because it doesn't work like that. People need 522 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 4: voices and people need to talk and tell people the 523 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 4: truth because then it's just the box. As be a 524 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 4: full light, the whole sport will be a lie. Just 525 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 4: the corruption will continue. Whereas if more people start speaking 526 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 4: out telling people how it really is, it's going to 527 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 4: change the sport for the better, I think personally, and 528 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 4: it will give women more of a chance. Where when 529 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 4: I have spoke out about certain situations and being quite 530 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 4: open about situations, I've got so much hate for it 531 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 4: because I'm a woman. But if I was a man 532 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 4: and spoke out and said facts, then it'll be completely different. 533 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 4: But because I'm a woman, I should shut my mouth, 534 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 4: get paid and just be happy. Whereas I'm not absolutely 535 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 4: not a chance. I think about the next generation and 536 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 4: the next generation. I want to be easier for them, 537 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 4: and I want them to be able to be open 538 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 4: and voice their opinion instead of being kept quiet. And 539 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 4: a couple of times people in boxing men have said 540 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 4: you're a woman, be quiet, and I'm like, absolutely not 541 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 4: a chance. Like if I want to speak, i'll speak 542 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 4: because they just think you should be grateful, where I'm like, 543 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 4: I'm grateful for the hard work and the opportunities I've achieved 544 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 4: and been given. I've been given some amazing opportunities. But 545 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 4: if I do think There's been same situations where I 546 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 4: want to speak out. I will speak out, and people 547 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 4: in social media think that I should be quiet and 548 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 4: I should shut up and just be grateful, And I 549 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 4: think no, because if you was in my shoes, you 550 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 4: wouldn't And because most of them our men you see 551 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 4: on the accounts as many men, and I thing you 552 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 4: just don't like it. Was a strong independent woman, and 553 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 4: I probably scare them because I'm a woman that doesn't 554 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 4: take no ship. So it's probably intimidating to women like 555 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 4: that they try to bring down and write them on 556 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 4: social media to make for al rubbish. 557 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 3: I'm just sitting here nodding along aggressively as just talking. 558 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 3: I've played rugby for many years and there's a lot 559 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 3: of parents a lot of times who talk about their 560 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 3: young daughters and they're like, oh, I'd be scared to 561 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 3: get my little girls into rugby. 562 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 5: Is it a similar thing you experienced with boxing? 563 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. I think it's because the stereotype of boxing 564 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 4: like yet broken noses, yet knocked out, et cetera, et cetera. 565 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 4: So I've been boxing a ten offer fore now, never 566 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 4: had a broken nose, and I've never been knocked out. 567 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 5: That's pretty solid, so. 568 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 4: It's pretty so it's good. But I think it is 569 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 4: like if I had a daughter, I probably wouldn't let 570 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 4: her box because, yeah, because the business side of it 571 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 4: is I don't know if it don't because I'm not 572 00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 4: doning have a spot. I don't know. I don't know. 573 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 4: It's likely in other sports, but it's horrible and like 574 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 4: when I see my daughter go through what I've been 575 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 4: through with the politics side of boxing, So to be 576 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 4: honest with you, i'd probably say no, like you're not boxing. 577 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 4: But again, I don't know if that's with other sports. 578 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 4: But I think boxing and mentally boxes are physically tough spot. 579 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 4: I think the mental side of boxing is worse than 580 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 4: the physical. 581 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 3: And if you take away the politics and all of 582 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 3: that mess of it and just think about you just 583 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 3: going down to do a training session like at your 584 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 3: local boxing place. Is that where the love where it 585 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: comes from. 586 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 4: So when I fight, it's happiness dead. So when I'm 587 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 4: in the gym and when I'm actually in the ving fighting, 588 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 4: that's that's why I do the sport. That's why I 589 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 4: love it because I love the feeling of competitiveness and 590 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 4: winning and being in the ring and having the als 591 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 4: of sun and having a fight. And I love my gym. 592 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 4: I love preparing for fights. I love the gym atmosphere 593 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 4: of people in boxing like in my gym, And yeah, 594 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 4: that's why I do it, because that's where my passion 595 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 4: is and I'd hate to walk away from boxing and 596 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 4: not have that anymore. 597 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 598 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely, looking ahead to July July twenty, You're back in 599 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 3: the ring. Tell us about it. What's happening. 600 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 4: Yes, So I'm excited. I've got a tough opponent. It's 601 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 4: basically I'm on the road back to claiming my belts back. 602 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 4: So I've got a good opponent, good competitive fight, but 603 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 4: I know that I have to get through her because 604 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 4: if I don't get through her, I'll never get the 605 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 4: shot that fight for my belts again. And it's kind 606 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 4: of like my mindset now is everything leads to chasing 607 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 4: down to one hundred and forty pounds belts. So I'm 608 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 4: on a job to just write through anyone that stands 609 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 4: them away and force Kat Taylor to fight me, and 610 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 4: unless she has to, she even vacates the belts or 611 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 4: she fights me. And my mindset now is the best 612 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 4: is yet to come. 613 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that to finish yourself. What would you 614 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: tell young Chantel about what you've learned about life? 615 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 4: So what I tell young Chantel is enjoy life more. 616 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 4: I've achieved massive things in boxing. I took losses very bad. 617 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 4: But if I tell myself now, put more into other 618 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 4: I put everything into my boxing and Hei Watson, whereas 619 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 4: I do wish I put a little bit more into 620 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 4: my education. I wish I went to university and rang 621 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 4: all in together for boxing and Cy Watson. I wish 622 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 4: I did it all. I wish as much as it 623 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 4: is good, how much focus I had. I do wish 624 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 4: I did experience over things as well as ample UNI 625 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 4: and more education, trying other sports. I never tried other sports, 626 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 4: so I would have definitely tried different sports as well. 627 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 5: All right, next time you're in Australia, we can have 628 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,959 Speaker 5: a kick at the footy. Yeah, yeah, we have, all right, 629 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 5: I look forward to that. Thank you so much for 630 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 5: your time. Chantel. 631 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 3: Has been a huge privilege to chat to you. You're 632 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: an absolute champion at what you do, but it's been 633 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 3: really amazing to hear your honesty and your rawness and 634 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: I love I think it's so refreshing that you just 635 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 3: say it like it is, and I love how you're 636 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 3: just so clear about what you want to do and 637 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 3: what you want to achieve. So thank you so much again, 638 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 3: having as well, thanks so much for listening. 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