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Speaker 1: Three sixties, the week that was the most listened to

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Speaker 1: hour in Territory radio.

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Speaker 2: The Territory Leaders breakdown this week's big issues and.

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Speaker 1: It is the first week that was for the year and.

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Speaker 3: Joining us live in the studio this morning. We've got

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Speaker 3: a full house. We've got the Deputy Opposition leader Jared Mayley.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you. Kizier Puric, how are you, good morning.

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Speaker 3: I'm just making sure I've got your mic on the

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Speaker 3: member for Goider.

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Speaker 5: Good morning.

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Speaker 6: Forty one point seven meals at my place overnight. Woll

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Speaker 6: that's just under two inches in the old language.

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Speaker 3: It's been belting down, hasn't it. Matt Cunningham Sky News.

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Speaker 3: Has it been pouring in.

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Speaker 2: Nightcliff Ah, Yes, wilfy, very wet.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio.

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Speaker 3: We've also got the Minister for Territory, Families and Urban Housing,

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Speaker 3: Kate Warden, good morning.

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Speaker 7: Good morning, your honor, Oh worship, No, your worship, Telfy Moffee,

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Speaker 7: your worship else going to sun worship.

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Speaker 1: We don't use those kinds of graces in here.

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Speaker 3: You'll be referred to as your nicknames all throughout the morning.

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Speaker 3: Now let's get into it. I will just start with

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Speaker 3: some pretty terrible news this morning. In breaking news throughout

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Speaker 3: the morning, we now know that a body has been

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Speaker 3: discovered in a creek in Darwin's northern suburbs. The ABC's

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Speaker 3: reported that children made that discovery in a creek between

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Speaker 3: Royal Day and Hospital and another park, Garamanach Park. I

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Speaker 3: believe it's called at around six o'clock last night. A

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Speaker 3: crime scene has been established and investigations are continuing. There's

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Speaker 3: not a huge amount more that we can say at

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Speaker 3: this point, but certainly some fairly bad news to start

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Speaker 3: the morning.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: The first week back here at work has really been

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Speaker 3: an interesting one.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: I said to the Chief Minister on Wednesday when I

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Speaker 3: Christmas break, I was surprised by the amount of emails

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Speaker 3: and messages I received over that period about crime, and

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Speaker 3: it seems I'm not the only one. More than four

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Speaker 3: thousand territory have now signed a petition for change when

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Speaker 3: it comes to youth crime. On that petition, it says

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Speaker 3: for too long now we in the NT have had

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Speaker 3: to endure a government they say that appears complicit in

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Speaker 3: placing the rights of criminals before that of victims. The

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Speaker 3: petition on change dot org says that our community elders

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Speaker 3: have spoken up, offered assistance, and been silenced or ignored

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Speaker 3: by the public servants that they voted in to represent them.

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Speaker 3: The spin doctors in Parliament have been all talk and

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Speaker 3: no action and have consistently weakened the powers that police

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Speaker 3: and families and the courts possessed. Now I understand that

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Speaker 3: the Chief Minister is actually in Alice Springs today. I

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Speaker 3: know that two opposition members of one independent I believe,

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Speaker 3: members to hear exactly what they need to say. I

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Speaker 3: think we've sort of passed that point of a real

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Speaker 3: the moment, we've got a community that you know, we've

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Speaker 3: got four thousand Territorians that have already signed that petition.

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Speaker 3: This is the first time I've ever mentioned it on air.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's had much media attraction at all.

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Speaker 3: I know Channel nine ran it last night, But to me,

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Speaker 3: what it shows is that people just want to make

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Speaker 3: want to see some change in this space. I don't

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Speaker 8: Katie, this show's real a lack of leadership while the

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Speaker 8: Labor government, Territorians have been forced to take matters into

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Speaker 8: It doesn't matter that Alice Springs, TANet Creek, Catherine Palmerson

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Speaker 8: or in Darwin. Crime is out of control and Labor

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Speaker 7: Look, I just think once again, it's just that platitude

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Speaker 5: You're not. You don't take the moment to actually look

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Speaker 4: And you're in government.

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Speaker 7: If you'd like me to finish, you've had your say.

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Speaker 7: But Essentially, I've seen the statistics recently and I'm not

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Speaker 7: taking away from that petition Katie, but the last petition

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Speaker 1: This one I've actually had to look through. There are

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Speaker 5: So not taking away from kai.

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Speaker 7: We did crime in itself to show one crime to

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Speaker 7: one crime is one crime too many, But there is

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Speaker 7: no silver bullet.

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Speaker 5: People have to understand that.

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Speaker 7: And I think the general conversations with people that I have,

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Speaker 5: These things are happening.

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of people in Darwin, there's a lot

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Speaker 7: extra job seeker money. We know that the wet seasons

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Speaker 7: there's a lot of messaging around that. But Katie, can

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Speaker 7: and we're also connected, and I think Facebook's a great thing.

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Speaker 7: Those sorts of social media channels are a great thing.

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Speaker 7: We're really connected as people. But what happens is you

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Speaker 5: a chat a week later and they go, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I got broken into. That's what you hear about.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I'm not hearing it all Facebook.

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Speaker 3: I'm hearing it from real people here were I Actually

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Speaker 3: I'm hearing it from real people. And twenty five break

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Speaker 1: To me, that statistic is bad enough.

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Speaker 7: That it speaks for its sat Katie, good for you

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Speaker 7: because you're a real advocate in the space and in

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Speaker 7: the past people didn't do this, So in the past

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Speaker 7: There's a group of people out you see that sort

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Speaker 5: Old Aboriginal kid in Darwin right now.

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Speaker 7: All Alice Springs and I've heard it out of young

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Speaker 7: that we're all bad? We've got to be really careful

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Speaker 7: and balanced in our view. We do have to look

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Speaker 7: at the statistics, Katie, and yes, there was a big

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Speaker 7: spike in other Springs, but I can tell you, and

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Speaker 5: Through that week before.

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Speaker 7: We had two hundred and seventy kids through our Alice

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Speaker 5: Six kids were responsible for that crime.

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Speaker 9: Spike, Kate.

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Speaker 1: So just most respect, I'm going to call bullshit. Oh well, Katie,

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Speaker 1: I can stistic garbage. I think that you guys need

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Speaker 1: I mean it with the most respect that I can

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Speaker 1: possibly say it. But you guys need to start listening.

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Speaker 3: They've got you got start listening to what people are

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Speaker 6: If I can just jump in, you always have to

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Speaker 6: look behind facts and statistics, all right.

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Speaker 9: So that's the first thing.

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Speaker 6: The second thing is, yes, it's more highly visual because

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Speaker 6: telephones to take videos and send them onwards. But there's

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Speaker 6: no getting away from what you do see on the ground.

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Speaker 6: Like the Jason Hannah with his restaurant in Cavanish Street.

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Speaker 6: He gets broken into like every second minute.

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Speaker 9: The poor bastard. I don't know what he did in

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Speaker 9: a previous life, but he's upset someone.

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Speaker 1: But he's a good thing.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's never one single thing to tackle

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Speaker 6: There's been a lot of damage done, a lot of

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Speaker 6: we have problems in the rural area. Jared knows, particularly

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Speaker 6: people trying to case things. But what's happening and what

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Speaker 6: on bail. Yeah, now I know amendments to the Bail Act,

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Speaker 6: is giving us a bad name out in the community.

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Speaker 6: And it is I'm going to have mates into state.

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Speaker 6: We all have mates into state and they pick up

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Speaker 3: Not just I want to actually image look at so

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Speaker 1: The wheel of a stolen vehicle.

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Speaker 3: Anastasia Palichets come out the next morning and said we

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Speaker 3: will look at if we need to strengthen our bail laws,

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Speaker 3: if we need to do things differently, we're going to

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Speaker 3: do it now.

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Speaker 1: She's come out pretty strong. You'd have to say straight.

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Speaker 3: Away that next day to a community that's pretty broken.

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Speaker 3: The thing that was brought up with us yesterday by

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Speaker 3: do need to change the bail laws, that there does

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Speaker 3: Kate from the government to change the bail laws. The

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Speaker 5: On bail not reoffending have gone right up.

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Speaker 7: So yes, that is important and its statistics are important

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Speaker 5: And we are literally a year in on the back

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Speaker 9: We need to make sure.

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Speaker 4: It's not about the offender.

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Speaker 8: The offenders have done a crime and in our estimate

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Speaker 8: And I know mister Gunner come on the radio and

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Speaker 7: But Jared, if those kids reoffend on bail, they can

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Speaker 4: What we change change the law?

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Speaker 5: On that you've actually.

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Speaker 9: Commissions.

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Speaker 5: Commission that's the word, Katie. So if you've.

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Speaker 10: Changed, is that the presumption is in favor of bail

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Speaker 2: That's the change that's been made.

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Speaker 10: But I think what we forget and what you need

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Speaker 5: Correct, right.

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Speaker 10: So I mean it's well and good for the opposition

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Speaker 2: It's their problem to fix.

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Speaker 3: Their recommendation custom fit to what suits to talk about.

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Speaker 10: The minute you custom fit it will figure right. So

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Speaker 10: They've got a change dot or petition going on and

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Speaker 5: So you're not doing that.

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Speaker 10: They will lift the age of criminal responsibility as well.

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Speaker 10: That's going to be the government has said, the.

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Speaker 7: Royal Commission says twelve, and internationally we're being told it

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Speaker 5: Can I be really clear here, Katie.

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Speaker 7: The colp have been running the rhetoric that we've taken

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Speaker 5: That is not true.

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Speaker 7: The police can re arrest kids, they can put them

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Speaker 7: Some of them are quite serious and so what happened

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Speaker 8: In fact, we do know now the laws aren't working.

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Speaker 4: You go tell that to those people. They're the people

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Speaker 3: So when we got on air this morning, there was

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Speaker 1: I suspect that.

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Speaker 3: Number is going to continue to grow up, go up,

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Speaker 3: I should say, not grow up. I think the biggest,

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Speaker 3: From the government's perspective, is there anything that you are

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Speaker 5: So we are doing a number of other things, Katie.

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Speaker 7: At the moment, I've got my agency working on family

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Speaker 5: They said, you.

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Speaker 7: Can't keep you know, being punitive with people that have

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Speaker 7: So the whole baby was thrown out with the bathwater.

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Speaker 7: We're bringing back those family responsibility agreements. We've got support

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Speaker 7: You must go to AA or whatever it is, whatever

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Speaker 7: And if they breach that order, I think the ultimate thing,

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Speaker 5: And we've got to be brave about that.

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Speaker 7: So if a child is not going to school, which

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Speaker 7: There has not been a young juvenile offender that I

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Speaker 7: We've got to look at that flag and we've got

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Speaker 7: And we're doing that and that's not easy and it

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Speaker 5: So we're doing a range of stuff in that space.

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Speaker 10: We've been reluctant to do anything about that, potentially for

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Speaker 2: And I've seen it.

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Speaker 10: I've sat in so many coronial inquiries here in dark

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Speaker 10: And it's because the intervention wasn't taken. I said in

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Speaker 10: suffered horrific abuse hadn't been to school for years.

444
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:26,680
Speaker 2: It's the same situation.

445
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,880
Speaker 3: And I think we you know, you're right, we need

446
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,000
Speaker 3: to try and sort this out.

447
00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,360
Speaker 1: We need to try and you know, we need.

448
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,200
Speaker 3: Every child deserves opportunity in life, a safe hold and

449
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,199
Speaker 3: safe home, education, education, and you know we need to

450
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 3: try and be giving that to every territory child. But

451
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 3: we also need to make sure that right now, if

452
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 3: we've got homes being broken into and kids that are

453
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,399
Speaker 3: committing offenses time and time again, that they punished and

454
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 3: that they do that we try our best to rehabilitate

455
00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:58,880
Speaker 3: them so they don't continue.

456
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 7: To assure you and all your listeners. That is exactly

457
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 7: what's happening. I see a daily tally about the kids

458
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,200
Speaker 7: that are going in and out of don Dale and

459
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 7: the alisp Reshoots Attention Center. Those kids are being picked

460
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,920
Speaker 7: up and they are going into education programs, they are

461
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 7: going into the back on Track programs, They're going out

462
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,159
Speaker 7: to camps. Once this rain easies up, we might be

463
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,439
Speaker 7: able to get some of our top end camps running.

464
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 7: We're still working on a new camp in the Barkley region,

465
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,160
Speaker 7: what they're calling the Barkley Work Camp.

466
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 5: There's a whole range of things that we've got going.

467
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 7: We're investing more than any probably triple probably what the

468
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 7: previous governor invested in here, and we are still following.

469
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 3: I still reckon Cate this need to have a look

470
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,879
Speaker 3: at these bail laws. Hey, I reckon, you need to

471
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 3: have a closer look at it. I think in Queensland

472
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 3: they have and I think that.

473
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:45,639
Speaker 1: We're looking at it.

474
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 8: Probably resource the bio conditions when you get a court

475
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,159
Speaker 8: give bail. Remember they can any conditionally want on their bail,

476
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 8: but they can't go and resource it, probably because there's

477
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 8: no one out there to go into these support homes.

478
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 8: Because labour's got to sell into an eight point four

479
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 8: billion dollar debt. We simply don't have the money to

480
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,959
Speaker 8: resource these people properly. So it's good to put them

481
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 8: on bail, but then you need to be able to

482
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 8: resource it and that these people have support.

483
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 4: Your NGO sector need to make with you to.

484
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 8: Make sure these people are looked after, because remember what

485
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 8: happens when these people are already in care and they

486
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 8: committed offense.

487
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 4: So is this agreement going to be with the CEO?

488
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 7: I think you're told you asked that question at estimates, Jared,

489
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 7: and now you're raising it again exactly.

490
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 5: Do you remember what that percentage of getting care it is?

491
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 5: Because do you remember what the percentage was?

492
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 4: Do you remember committed prime again?

493
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 5: Because you want to.

494
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 7: Get because kids in care last year and I'm happy

495
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 7: to say it on air Care Katie, that committed.

496
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 5: An offense was two percent. So that's absolute rubbish.

497
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 7: Once our kids are in care, they're well taken care of,

498
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 7: our care, as are well resources resource. NGO sector actually

499
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 7: said to me in a meeting just recently, we're grateful

500
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 7: for the funding and we can do more.

501
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 5: So we're working with them on that.

502
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: You do more don't have to take it.

503
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 3: Very problem three sixties the week it was got Jered Maylee,

504
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 3: keyesy At Puick, Matt Cunningham and Kate Warden in the

505
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,719
Speaker 3: studio with me this morning. Now, let's talk about park fees.

506
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 3: We know that territorians and visitors are apparently going to

507
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 3: have to start paying fees to do multi day hikes

508
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 3: in Northern Territory National parks from midyear. The Minister for

509
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 3: Parks and Rangers, Selena Rubo, told the ABC yesterday that

510
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 3: the government hasn't decided how much the fees for hiking

511
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 3: and camping are going to be, but they will be

512
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 3: applying to both locals and visitors from July one. Now

513
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 3: I've got to say I don't have a huge issue

514
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 3: with this happening. I actually think that obviously it costs

515
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 3: money to maintain our parks, especially those walk the paths

516
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 3: and things like that. But the thing I do have

517
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 3: a bit of an issue with is we've spoken to

518
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 3: different tourism operators and also you know, representative groups for

519
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,479
Speaker 3: them who haven't been consulted with, and I just wonder

520
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 3: about the timing. I know that it's still sort of

521
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 3: there's still things.

522
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: To work through. But timing wise, you know, we're in

523
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: a year of co is it really the best time,

524
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 1: you know to be introducing fees?

525
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 10: Timing wise, we've got an eleven billion dollar projected debt

526
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 10: and I think this is like I don't have a

527
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 10: problem with the park fees, to be honest, and I

528
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 10: think territory as there should be sort of one fee

529
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 10: that you pay, maybe it's forty or fifty bucks a year,

530
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 10: and that gives you access for twelve months, which is

531
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 10: what they do in Western Australia. But at some point

532
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 10: in this place, we're going to have to get our

533
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 10: head around the fact that the free ride is over,

534
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 10: because you know, we've almost like we've got it pretty

535
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 10: good up here, but we can't whack the government every

536
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 10: second day about the size of the debt and then

537
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 10: whack them again the other way every time they try

538
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 10: and introduce something to address that. You know, like we

539
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 10: get a lot of things for free up here. You

540
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 10: can go to a free water park with free water slides.

541
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 10: I went when I was in Cans to a very

542
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 10: similar place to the park when I was in Cans

543
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 10: and it cost us ninety.

544
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: Bucks for the family to get in. You know, you

545
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: can get it every day for free.

546
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 10: And it's the same thing with the parks, Like I

547
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 10: wouldn't care about paying forty or fifty bucks a year

548
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 10: if it meant when you go to Lichfield Park, your

549
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 10: rubbish is collected and everything is in good nature.

550
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: And at some point, I reckon this is going to.

551
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,239
Speaker 10: Have to happen in a lot of areas if we

552
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 10: want to address that debt. Otherwise what happens We just let.

553
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: It go and go and go until we reach a

554
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: tipping point.

555
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 9: And you know, but I mean separate to what Matt's saying.

556
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 6: What I find interesting is that they came out with

557
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 6: the announcement or someone did, and now there's a bit

558
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 6: of backpeddling.

559
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 9: Oh, we haven't consulted with people. Oh we might have

560
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 9: to change the name of the new things. Oh well,

561
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 9: these fees will.

562
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 6: Be in for camping, but they won't be in for

563
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 6: day visits and international overseas visitors or interstate but not

564
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 6: your locals. So I think it's being presumptuous in coming

565
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 6: out with the announcement when they haven't even got all

566
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 6: the details sorted out, like who's what, where and when.

567
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 7: This is a classic example we damned if we do,

568
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 7: and we're damned if we don't. So we let people

569
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 7: know early because people then complain if it's rung on

570
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 7: them at.

571
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 9: The last minute.

572
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 5: So well, we do have lots of information.

573
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 7: You already know that you wouldn't if you're just going

574
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 7: on a day trip, you wouldn't actually be charged and

575
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 7: you're a The issue here is that it matter's on

576
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 7: the money. It is about It is about being able

577
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 7: to reinvestment. We had to do a huge amount of

578
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 7: catch up under turbo charging tourism, and Lichfield got you know,

579
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 7: millions of dollars as an example, spent on it.

580
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 5: These parks. You know, we have taken them for granted

581
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 5: for a long time. There's nowhere you.

582
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 7: Would go in the world that you would go to

583
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 7: places like Kakadu on Lichfield and it would be for free.

584
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 7: So what we're saying is we're giving people six months

585
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 7: notice that in July there would be possibility that will

586
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 7: bring in some fees. If we didn't tell you now

587
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 7: and we just told you in July, everybody would be

588
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 7: screaming about that. Then we can have the conversation till July,

589
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 7: and all the money that comes through this will be

590
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 7: reinvested in our parks so we get a better product.

591
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: I actually don't think you're damned if you do when

592
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: you're damned if you die.

593
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 3: I actually think a lot of people are probably okay

594
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 3: with this, but the way that it's been communicated has

595
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:54,479
Speaker 3: actually been pretty poor. It's been like, but then you know,

596
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: there's still so many questions that sort of have remained unanswered.

597
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 3: And I heard the ministry yesterday on the ABC and

598
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: there was like there was still questions that weren't being

599
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: answered and still stuff that they were working through. And

600
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: I get that, like, obviously you're going to need to

601
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 3: work through a lot of this type of thing, there's

602
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: no doubt about it, but you know, have a proper

603
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 3: plan of how are you going to communicate it to people?

604
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 8: And I'd say parks are for people. The government should

605
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 8: be encouraging families and people to go out into these

606
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 8: parks and do family events and go for a walk

607
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 8: and not hanging around the cities or in the towns

608
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 8: and doing crime. So why are we talking about this

609
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 8: when we should be encouraged. You should be people going

610
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 8: out there and should be a better and better experience.

611
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 8: The labour's put US into eight point four billion dollar debt,

612
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 8: and Mattie said projected up to eleven billion dollar debt.

613
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 8: So really what they're trying to do is revenue raised

614
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 8: to to cover that debt. And ultimately, if they're going

615
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 8: to raise that money, my problem also is what about

616
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 8: the administration costs, what about the enforcement costs? Is that

617
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 8: money going to go back into the park or just

618
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 8: into general revenue and they'll pass.

619
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 9: It on that They'll be asking the operators to collect

620
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 9: the money, I guarantee.

621
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 5: So it's an online booking system that's already been announced.

622
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 7: That's what actually was the announcement that we're introducing an

623
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 7: online booking system. I would presume you would get a

624
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 7: permit through that, you'd get something emailed to you, just

625
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 7: like you'd get a concert ticket.

626
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 5: We all do it all the time. You can get

627
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 5: in your walllet in your past book and so.

628
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: But we still don't know exactly how much it's going

629
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: to be for those fees at this point, do we.

630
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 5: No, they're not set yet. So that's the conversation we're having.

631
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 7: But it's an early flag and we've been very very

632
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 7: clear that these is money that will be reinvested in

633
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 7: our parks, and you know, Jared, I'll just.

634
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 5: Take your point from before. I like to hang around

635
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 5: the city.

636
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 7: I like to go out to Lichfield now and again

637
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 7: generally I've got visitors. But you know, I'm not sitting

638
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 7: around the committee and commit the city committing crime. So

639
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 7: I don't know why in there that lind.

640
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 5: The city crime.

641
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, Katie, the bottom of a lot of young people.

642
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 6: If they did get out and do a lot more

643
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 6: exercise in some shape or form, don't ask me what,

644
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 6: they'd probably be happy and healthier.

645
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 9: But that's not always the luxury that there.

646
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: Seems to be a lot tagline keep your kids in sport,

647
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 3: not in court.

648
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 5: Well, you're doing some stuff around sports.

649
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 6: Later, Kenny, I would most wanted to comment that if

650
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 6: they are going to collect fees for Chuill Park and

651
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 6: other parks, so we didn't even know if it's all

652
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 6: the parks, is it Charles Darwin, is it Gregory?

653
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 9: But they have said it's to go back and invest

654
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 9: in the parks.

655
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 6: Now, I want to guarantee that they are going to

656
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 6: put a lot more money into the control and eradication

657
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 6: of gamber grass because excuse me, if you look at

658
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 6: the gamber grass map.

659
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 9: The worst, absolute worst for.

660
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 6: Gamber grass in the Northern Territory is around Adelaid River,

661
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 6: Bachelor and Lichfield Park. So if they're going to put

662
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 6: fees on and don't know how much or how long

663
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 6: are they going to commit it? They say yes, but

664
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 6: I'm not one hundred percent convinced that will happen. And

665
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 6: the other thing that a lot of people don't realize

666
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 6: and are they going to expand it?

667
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 9: Jared probably knows.

668
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 6: They have back of the back of the park hunting,

669
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 6: so hunters get permits to go and clear up the

670
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 6: feral animals, clear up pigs. Back of the house hunting

671
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 6: they call it, and it's run through parks of wildlife.

672
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 6: So are they going to expand that program to help

673
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 6: get a riddle? Because there's there's hundreds and thousands of feral.

674
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 4: Pigs across the top and they do a lot of damage.

675
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 9: They do a lot of damage.

676
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 6: So is the government going to be serious about investing

677
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 6: in the parks and not only the gamble grass and

678
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 6: weed control, which you know there's other parks that have

679
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 6: got mimosa and those other things. Are they going to

680
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 6: extend what should be which should be a good thing.

681
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 6: I'm supporting it if they can extend that that permit

682
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 6: system to clear up our feral animals, because there's there's

683
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 6: donkey's few donkeys, not a lot, but there's particularly the pigs,

684
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 6: and they're doing so much damage that.

685
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 4: People don't know.

686
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 8: Organizations like Field and Game they go out there and

687
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 8: they do the hunting, but they do a lot of

688
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 8: my maintenance, they do a lot of weed control. They're

689
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 8: available to do that. They should be utilized because they're

690
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 8: willing and ready and able to go and get these places.

691
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Speaker 1: And we are powering through the time.

692
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Speaker 2: This morning, three sixties, the week that was.

693
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was. Joining us

694
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: in the studio this.

695
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: Morning, Jeb Mayley, Keesiopuic, Matt Cunningham and Kate Warden. Now

696
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: let's talk about well the economy concept. The State of

697
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: the State report came out earlier in the week. The

698
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: Chief Minister said it could go in the recycling bin.

699
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: I think what a lot of us are wanting to see.

700
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: Because he's too scared of it.

701
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 8: He didn't say that in twenty fifteen when he put

702
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 8: a press release out, he loved it.

703
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: Here you can all read it. He loved the press

704
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 4: release in twenty and fifteen and say how good it was. Well, so,

705
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm not sure when he was deceitful

706
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 4: then or now? A way those times out.

707
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 5: Of impacts, and I think you can't compare it, compare that.

708
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 11: I think the point is, I think Jared's point is

709
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 11: about whether the concept reports you do the day I'm saying,

710
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 11: concept report that empty is losing my menum meant to

711
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 11: indicate CLP and not taking advantage of the Northern Terry's

712
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 11: amazing economic potential.

713
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 4: Was he truthful then or now? I'm not sure where

714
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 4: was he deceitful?

715
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: Well, I guess at the end of the day, you know,

716
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: you cannot take these types of reports into account. I

717
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: mean he did point to a Lloyd's Access economic report

718
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: earlier in the week, but that was commissioned by the government,

719
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: wasn't it.

720
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 7: Yes, But you want them to you know, you put

721
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 7: big companies like those that have experienced to look at

722
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 7: them look at it, and you would hope that they

723
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 7: would do it objectively. I think the whole point though,

724
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 7: with the concept this time around, is that they look

725
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 7: at the Northern Territory against itself and its performance against

726
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 7: itself over ten years, and we all know that Impacts

727
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 7: made a massive spike in our economy over a short

728
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 7: amount of time. It created what I would consider a

729
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 7: false economy in a northern territory.

730
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: Point in the territory right now though that we were

731
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: at pre Impacts.

732
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 5: I'd have to look at that chart.

733
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 9: We probably are.

734
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 5: It's probably come back down to that levels. But we

735
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 5: all got used to. I know, you know, you drive

736
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 5: past houses.

737
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 7: They've got the little ATV in the house, and they've

738
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 7: got big TVs. And you know, I remember when Impacts

739
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 7: started coloring jobs and I had somebody in my electorate

740
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 7: coming to see me, so I can't pay I've just

741
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 7: lost my job with Impacts, and I can't pay off

742
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 7: my television.

743
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 5: You know it was like seven five hundred dollars of television.

744
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 7: Well, you know who goes into knowing into a job

745
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 7: like that, knowing that it's going to come to an end.

746
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 5: And we we had that.

747
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 7: We had big boats in yards, we had no houses

748
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 7: available on the market.

749
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 9: And then we saw slowly that jobs were lost and.

750
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 7: The territories changed in sand and we're being compared against

751
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 7: that boom time over those ten years.

752
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 3: Look on board, is that you know, for me, what

753
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: we've seen over the last several years following on from

754
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: IMPETS is that we really haven't at this point been

755
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 3: able to diversify the economy with different projects yet.

756
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: Because it takes time. In time, it does take time,

757
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: but we didn't really hit the ground running.

758
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 5: You know.

759
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: You guys did fart around for you know, for a

760
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: few years there we could be getting things going on.

761
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: I mean not that you know, not that the COLP

762
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: did much planning either by the sounds events when they were.

763
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 5: Still in power.

764
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: So that I think that both of you kind of

765
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: you know, like both sides of politics, we've got to go,

766
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: all right, we've got to diversify the economy. We all

767
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: understand that now, Matt. I know yesterday you're out at

768
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: the sun Cable project. That's one of the ones that

769
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: obviously the government is hanging their hats on.

770
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: But it's still a few years away.

771
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still two years before final investment. Katie.

772
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 10: It's interesting with these reports that there was a great

773
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 10: piece by due to Sloan in the Australian over the

774
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 10: summer talking about reports and these reports that basically you

775
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 10: get someone commissions the report and then the report comes

776
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 10: back and says exactly what they wanted to say. So,

777
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 10: you know, I think there's an old rule in politics

778
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 10: that you never commissioned a report unless you know exactly

779
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 10: what it's going to come back and say. It's like

780
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 10: the the report in to the Arafura Games and what

781
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 10: a great economic success it was. I tell you what

782
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 10: ifever I've seen, I'm said, a bunch of robbery figures.

783
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: Contained that at some point the gravy train has to end.

784
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: No we can't, we can't stay on it for anything.

785
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 5: A secular argument in here this morning.

786
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: Well let's talk about that cable.

787
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 6: So big projects are complicated and complex, and it involves

788
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 6: billions and billions of dollars. Now if this pro if

789
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 6: this project ever eventuate, of course it will be a

790
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 6: bonus not only for our territory in Australia but for

791
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 6: the other countries. But it's more complicated than what people realize,

792
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 6: and probably the most complicated it's probably getting across our

793
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 6: land here as we talked about off there, with our

794
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 6: land tenure and access to land, because it'll cross through

795
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 6: pastoral lands, through average and freehold land under the land rightsack.

796
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 6: But you know, engineering wise, it's also hugely complex. It's

797
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 6: got to go round round a couple of islands and

798
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 6: across a deep sea trench. But hey, good luck to them.

799
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 9: I'm never going to sell any big project.

800
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 6: But don't get mister Gunner, don't get too excited, because

801
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 6: you know a lot of big projects have going to

802
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 6: have come and gone planning wise in the Northern Territory

803
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 6: and not eventuated for lots of reasons because we're dealing

804
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 6: we're dealing with an international stage here and there's usually

805
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 6: a window of opportunity to get your project up and

806
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 6: as soon as that window starts to.

807
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: We're competing against the rest of Australia at the moment.

808
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: Obviously we've and indeed the rest of the world. We

809
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: had the Territory Economic Reconstruction Report obviously come through. My

810
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: big question to the government again is like it was

811
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: with crime and the way in which we're investing money

812
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: into different sort of initiatives to try to combat the

813
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: issues we've got with youth crime and all types of crime.

814
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 3: When it comes to the economy, we now have the

815
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: report from the Turk, how exactly are we going to

816
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 3: have KPIs in place to make sure that the recommendations

817
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 3: that have been put through by the Territory Economic Reconstruction Commission,

818
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: that we're actually meeting those key indicators that we're actually

819
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: doing what they've recommended, because we're never going to have

820
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: a group of people like that again dedicate their time

821
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: to us to try and help get the territory moveating.

822
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 7: You're right there is, but that report hasfications for every department.

823
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 7: I mean I've even got some you know, like in

824
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 7: urban housing around community housing and delivering community housing model,

825
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 7: those sorts of things across all agencies. So DCM have

826
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 7: a central area where they're coordinating that and they have

827
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 7: to continuously talk to all the agencies about the activity

828
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 7: they're doing. But can I just make a comment about

829
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 7: the economy. What's really important is, you know, announcements like

830
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 7: that we so some cable are fantastic, but as a.

831
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 5: Government, we are not losing sight.

832
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 9: There's you have to do.

833
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 7: And I've always had the analogy in my mind about

834
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 7: shock absorbers in your economy. So you have the lovely

835
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 7: big projects or what's important is the stuff you're doing underneath.

836
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 7: That's why gas is so important because that will manufacturing.

837
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 7: And we've spent years investing in and around Catherine, for example,

838
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 7: things like roads, so that that can become an agricultural hub,

839
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 7: and you'll see I think we'll see a rise of

840
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 7: a hemp industry and a cotton industry in and around Catherine.

841
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 7: Now that can't happen. We might say, oh, it's out

842
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 7: to the public. You know, let's get somebody to grow cotton.

843
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 7: It's not that easy.

844
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: You know.

845
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 7: They're also now talking about a cotton gin, and I

846
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 7: see other states that are talking.

847
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 5: About that as well.

848
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 7: But that's the important stuff, is having that smaller stuff,

849
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 7: the shock absorbed in your economy.

850
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 5: So when those big projects come along.

851
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 7: They're great, but then the economy can come back to

852
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 7: where you know, that higher level, but not all the

853
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 7: way back like we've seen with impacts. That's the economic

854
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 7: discussion we need to have with people, making sure we've

855
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 7: got the settings right. And I know you you know,

856
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 7: you'll say we farted around for a while, but essentially

857
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 7: we were getting all of that stuff in place. We

858
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 7: have invested huge amounts of money into we took people

859
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 7: with us. That's what we took to the election, and

860
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 7: we want to make sure.

861
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: We have to take it very that the three sixties.

862
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: The week that was I can't keep this mob quiet

863
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: even in the breaks, even when I'm doing RDS. Matthews,

864
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the COVID nineteen vaccine. It's been reported

865
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: to I believe in the Nting News that there's no

866
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: need to rush the rollout of the coronavirus vaccine in Australia,

867
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: according to Chief Minister Michael Gunner, as he confirmed the

868
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: territory's initial JAB hubs would be in Darwin and Alla Springs. Mattie,

869
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: I understand that yesterday at the press conference there was

870
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: a bit more talk about this.

871
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 10: Ah, yeah there was, and it was interesting to hear

872
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 10: what Michael Gunn was saying. He said a bit like

873
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 10: the national timeline, we think late February early March we

874
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 10: should get the vaccine here. We had a bit of

875
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 10: a discussion too around which vaccine and how.

876
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: I think one of the issues.

877
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 10: The government's going to need to deal with is how

878
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 10: they're going to vaccinate, particularly the remote indigenous population. Because

879
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 10: one the fire's a vaccine needs to be stored at

880
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 10: minus seventy degrees. So I'd say it's more likely the

881
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 10: astrozenica vaccine, and Michael Gunner confirmed this yesterday would be

882
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Speaker 10: used certainly in remote areas because it only needs to

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Speaker 10: be between two and eight degrees.

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Speaker 2: I think it needs to be stored.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Nationally, they're saying today that that Germany have come out

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Speaker 3: today and said that the astrosenica should only be given

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Speaker 3: to people that are aged sixteen to sixty four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people under sixty five.

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Speaker 10: And then that makes you wonder with the indigenous population

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Speaker 10: whether that would be younger again, so there's still a

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Speaker 10: few hurdles to be jumped through. And the other issue

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Speaker 10: that was talked about yesterday was we obviously know the

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Speaker 10: transient nature of a lot of people who live in

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Speaker 10: remote communities, and you need to get two jabs, so

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Speaker 10: there's going to be a lot of thought that needs

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Speaker 10: to be pulled into Well, if they get the first job,

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Speaker 10: well then we need to make sure how are were

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Speaker 10: going to track this person to make sure they're around

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Speaker 10: to gain the second job.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I would think that this is one of those issues Kakie,

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Speaker 7: that all four of us in this room will agree about.

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Speaker 7: The territory is safe and we've COVID free, so at

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Speaker 7: the moment, I think, you know, we can take our

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Speaker 7: time to make sure we do this absolutely right. And

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Speaker 7: I think if I want one message for your listeners

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Speaker 7: today everybody that's listening, is that you will need two jabs.

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Speaker 5: That's what's coming.

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Speaker 7: And if you have the first job and you don't

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Speaker 7: have the second, it doesn't work. So you absolutely need

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Speaker 7: to have the second job.

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Speaker 5: That's what.

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Speaker 7: If we're going to be conversational about this, let's be

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Speaker 7: responsible you're talking to people about it.

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Speaker 5: Make sure we're doing it from a point of knowledge.

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Speaker 5: Let's not scare monger this.

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Speaker 7: We will roll it out to frontline workers first and

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Speaker 7: then we'll go from there and they will be a

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Speaker 7: clear messages as we go through towards the end of February.

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Speaker 7: Matters right with that timeline, that's what we're being advised

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Speaker 7: as well.

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Speaker 5: Let's get it right.

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Speaker 7: Let's get everybody to have those two jabs and make

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Speaker 7: sure that message is really, really clear. We don't want

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Speaker 7: people are getting all worried and you know, scared, and

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Speaker 7: we don't want a big rise of the anti VAXA

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Speaker 7: campaign star open here in the territory.

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Speaker 5: We need to make sure that people in the Northern.

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Speaker 7: Territory are vaccinated in order of priority, and that it's

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Speaker 7: done right. And I think every one of us in

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Speaker 7: this room is going to send that same clear message

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Speaker 7: to people.

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Speaker 9: I agree.

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Speaker 6: I agree with Kate, and I've recently wrote to the

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Speaker 6: Health Minister, Natasha Files, just to find out exactly what

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Speaker 6: the program is or as much as obviously government can tell,

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Speaker 6: because I'm starting to be approached by business people who

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Speaker 6: haven't actually been able to conduct their business since about

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Speaker 6: from the last year involved traveling to American, Malaysia, Dubai,

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Speaker 6: and they do audits in the construction industry. So I mean,

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Speaker 6: no one has an issue with frontline workers and people

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Speaker 6: who are vulnerable. But if we can get some guidances

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Speaker 6: to then if a business requires it for their staff,

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Speaker 6: and if people choose not to take the vaccination, well

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Speaker 6: so be it.

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Speaker 3: You know, travel overseas, so I reckon we'll find it's.

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Speaker 9: A personal choice.

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Speaker 6: If someone doesn't want their family to be vaccinated, that's

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Speaker 6: a personal choice. They may not be able to travel

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Speaker 6: on conscious for example, so you know that's that's still

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Speaker 6: up to the individual, you know.

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Speaker 9: If they want to get a vaccination or not. But Kate,

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Speaker 9: I'd encourage people. I'd have no issue getting vaccination.

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Speaker 10: To me, I think it's a personal choice to not

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Speaker 10: have it, but it's also a highly irresponsible one because

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Speaker 10: you're not just talking about protecting yourself, you're talking about

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Speaker 10: stopping the spread of the virus. So you know, I

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Speaker 10: just think you're talking about Facebook before. Don't get your

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Speaker 10: information from Facebook. When it comes to the vaccine.

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Speaker 5: The government, Yeah, listen to your community. Leaders will talk.

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Speaker 7: You know, whether you've got a personal view or it's

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Speaker 7: not a time to hold a personal view if you're

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Speaker 7: an anti vaxxer, it's not a time for that.

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Speaker 5: The world needs this, you know.

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Speaker 7: Australia needs us in all the territory needs us so

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Speaker 7: we can get back to trading that people can see

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Speaker 7: their loved ones.

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Speaker 1: I know exactly, Katie.

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Speaker 7: I've said this before and three we probably in the

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Speaker 7: next couple of weeks. My daughter is in New Zealand

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Speaker 7: is about have twins and I ain't going, and it's

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Speaker 7: just it's.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely destroying our family.

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Speaker 7: The quicker this vaccine's done, the better, and people I'm

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Speaker 7: on the small scale, I know people that have lost

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Speaker 7: family members in this time and we need to make

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Speaker 7: sure that people can travel.

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Speaker 5: We're used to it. It's a luxury.

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Speaker 9: We did get used to we've all.

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Speaker 7: Adjusted, but it's getting really hard for people now and

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Speaker 7: I think if we can all get on that wagon

983
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Speaker 7: and do the right thing and send the right messages,

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Speaker 7: it will be great.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 3: Well that is it for the week that was this morning.

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Speaker 3: What a cracking first week back. Jared Malee, the Opposition later,

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Speaker 3: thank you for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thank you listening.

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Speaker 3: Gekeasy of your Katie, I never forgot it. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for your time this morning. Matt Cunninghair Matteo from Sky News.

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Speaker 3: Kate Warnen, the Minister for Territory Families and Catherine Warden.

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Speaker 7: Visiting here for one moment and congratulate, congratulate you want.

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Speaker 9: To thank you.

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Speaker 5: You deserve it for all the work that you've done.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. We've run with Dad.

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Speaker 3: Well, apparently you do like this special ceremony with the administrator.

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Speaker 3: I think do I need to ask for you all

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Speaker 3: to be allowed to attend.

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Speaker 1: Hello listeners as well. Good on you all. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for your time this morning. It is the week

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Speaker 1: that was