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Speaker 1: We know that the President of the Local Government Association

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Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory, the Honorable Convat Scaralus, has said

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Speaker 1: that Territorians deserve to know the intentions for the sector

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Speaker 1: under a new Well Labor government or a CELP government

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Speaker 1: and how they're going to outline well, they need to

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Speaker 1: outline things and talk about how they are going to

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Speaker 1: fund their promised reforms. Now joining me in the studio, Well,

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Speaker 1: he's the Lord Mayor of Darwin, but he is also

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Speaker 1: the head of legant, the President of the Local Government

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Speaker 1: Association of the Northern Territory, Convat Scarlets, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Can you please just call me con Conka's that's all.

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Speaker 1: That's what we know you as con Thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Now tell me.

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Speaker 1: First off, you've said in this statement yesterday that Labour's

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Speaker 1: failed to consult with the local government sector around the

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Speaker 1: plans to replace regional councils with the Treaty Commission's reports

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Speaker 1: recommended First Nation governments. Now I've got to tell you,

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Speaker 1: I think that's something that a lot of people probably

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Speaker 1: don't even know about.

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Speaker 2: Listening this morning, I have to check first of what

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Speaker 2: I was wrong. I mentioned about the Labor not consulting

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Speaker 2: with us. But the reality is neither the SALP consulting

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Speaker 2: with us because both parties they want some changes. One

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Speaker 2: of the things that the treaty commissioners recommended that we

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Speaker 2: have first nation governments in outside the municipal areas.

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Speaker 3: So that's what Labour's promising.

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Speaker 4: That no, that was a commissioners.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is that the government, the Labor Party

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Speaker 2: has not come out to say we're not going to

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Speaker 2: go ahead with it, or if we're going to go

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Speaker 2: ahead with it, will consult again, because if they have

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Speaker 2: done that, we will be telling them this is all bullshit.

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Speaker 4: Sorry about my expression.

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Speaker 2: That's because we currently have got first National councils with

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Speaker 2: eighty nine percent of our elected members be Indigenous people,

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Speaker 2: the likes.

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Speaker 3: Of men and greater and the likes of a lot

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Speaker 3: of those places.

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Speaker 2: Two hundred percent of digenous elected members West the same

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Speaker 2: you go to Western Desert, the same you go to

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Speaker 2: Douglas daily. Majority of them are Indigenous people. It's a

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Speaker 2: slap in the face of all my colleagues, My digenous

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Speaker 2: colleagues have been working in very adverse conditions, in very

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Speaker 2: hard conditions, looking after communities. To say to them, bagger off,

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Speaker 2: we're going to put a new program without any consultation.

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Speaker 3: Those counselors assigned to.

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Speaker 2: You telling me it's not my idea as a president

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Speaker 2: of the Grand Yes, And people said to me, oh,

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Speaker 2: you can't attack the government.

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Speaker 4: You were a member of it. Yes, I was a

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Speaker 4: member of it.

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Speaker 2: But now I represent sixteen councils in Northern Territory and

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Speaker 2: a lot of them outside are we outside Palmerston, outside anywhere,

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Speaker 2: and they're the people that live in communities in Bara, Lula,

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Speaker 2: in Nuka, in maney Grida and everywhere else.

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Speaker 4: So we want look.

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Speaker 1: If we want a good piece really from Labor that

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Speaker 1: they're sort of making out that they're going to do

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Speaker 1: things differently, but all the sounds of it, we're doing

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Speaker 1: it already.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but the the reality is do these things differently.

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Speaker 2: But if you want to actually have something successful, sit

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Speaker 2: down and talk to the people. They know the story,

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Speaker 2: then all the problems, and probably they give you the solutions.

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Speaker 4: That's not only label.

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Speaker 2: We've got living who came out as we're going to

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Speaker 2: do wholesale change in the territory with local government. Greatly

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Speaker 2: fantastic if it's going to help out great, so talken

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Speaker 2: to us well.

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Speaker 1: I asked her about this just a short time ago.

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Speaker 1: She said, realistically, what they are looking at doing is

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Speaker 1: it would be like a that pilot the program in

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Speaker 1: the first instances and probably look at starting it somewhere

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Speaker 1: like the Berkley region. But you're right, you know that

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Speaker 1: consultation is imperative. By the sounds of what I've just

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Speaker 3: What do you make of that?

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Speaker 2: The information I got is that Steve has promised Ali

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Speaker 2: Karan will get their own council because Steve is worried

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Speaker 2: about his reelection, which is I understand that. I've been

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Speaker 2: there and I don't blame him, But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: you do not just bet your reelection by creating a problem,

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Speaker 2: because if you split one council create two of them,

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Speaker 2: then you have to find two CEOs, two office structures,

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Speaker 2: two workforces. And my question is have you got the

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Speaker 2: money for that? And if you've got the money, can

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Speaker 2: you tell us where they're coming from? Yeah, the last

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Speaker 2: thing you need is to get one council that works

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Speaker 2: and create two councils. They're going to be financially unviable

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Speaker 1: And the other thing that I worry about corn Is

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Speaker 1: in recent years, and I know with Palmerston Council it's

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Speaker 1: quite some time ago, but we had issues out there

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Speaker 1: several years ago. We've also seen the issues in Tenant

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Speaker 2: And we are going to see more of that because

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Speaker 2: if councilors don't have money, they're not going to provide

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Speaker 2: will argue and the community the scream and the minister

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Speaker 2: has to do something about it. But the problem will

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Speaker 2: is it's not the councilor they don't work and they

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Speaker 2: do it on purpose. It's because they have neither the

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Speaker 2: I'll give you an example mentioned Berkeley. A lot of

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Speaker 2: the councilor Indigenous, some of them got English, second, third,

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Speaker 2: fourth language. Where's the department from the very beginning to

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Speaker 2: go there and have a look, Oops, that are problems.

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Speaker 2: We can provide some solution to fix it rather and

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Speaker 2: go later slop an administrator and then blame the council.

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Speaker 2: But the department can it do it? Because no, they

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Speaker 2: can't because their funding has been reduced.

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Speaker 3: Con let's move along.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday the promises we're still being rolled out by the

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Speaker 1: Labor Party, our territory Labor promising an extra one point

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Speaker 1: four million dollars to provide more private security services as

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Speaker 1: progress in growing the police force remains slow at this

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Speaker 1: point in time. Those extra funds are for Darwin, Palmerston

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Speaker 1: and Alys Springs. They'll roll out from October and allow

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Speaker 3: What do you make of.

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Speaker 4: This, Katie?

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Speaker 2: I know the government's very keen to see private security,

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Speaker 2: but the reality is, let's have a look what a

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Speaker 4: You because you'll be threatened with assault. So they might

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Speaker 4: look good and might give you some security because oh, look,

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Speaker 4: the teial shirts are out. But you know what I

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Speaker 2: Dark blue shirts that ride in the back police that

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen for a long long time.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I know it's difficult.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I know the government can't find policeman straight away,

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Speaker 2: and that's why council came to the agreement to co

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Speaker 2: fund with the government the patrols in the city. But

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Speaker 2: then I've got people said to me, hold on our

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Speaker 4: Why should I pay for patrol in the CBD. What

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Speaker 2: And that's quite a reasonable argument what I'm saying to

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Speaker 2: the government. One point four in Darwin, one point three Karama,

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Speaker 2: God knows how much in Palmerston. God knows how machinally

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Speaker 2: Springs put them all together. Probably if finished was about

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Speaker 2: eight million dollars. How many extra policeman can you hire

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Speaker 2: with this eight million dollars police that's got real power.

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Speaker 3: Look, oh, exactly, we do need more police.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we had a whole review. That's how we

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Speaker 1: need more police. I mean in the meantime, is this

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Speaker 2: Well no, it's a it's a band aid. Even the

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Speaker 2: police review said the patrols is not a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Get more police and just.

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Speaker 3: Some Paul Barreling.

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Speaker 4: I don't know you remember, we.

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Speaker 2: Usually have akpaus when I can be territory, I remember

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Speaker 2: a lot of Indigenous police au pas.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm assuming that they're still out there. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, potentially, I don't know. Look, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But what I do know is that people are really worried.

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Speaker 1: Obviously about the crime and anti social behavior. Some of

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Speaker 1: spoken about that on so many occasions. But it's not

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Speaker 1: only security obviously in shopping centers and even in our CBD,

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Speaker 1: but even when you look at places like the hospital

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Speaker 1: needing additional security. Now I'm not saying the police can

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Speaker 1: be out there patrolling that area, but the fact is

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Speaker 1: that in a lot of instances we are needing that

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Speaker 1: security because we don't have enough police right now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, in that case, the government has to actually

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Speaker 2: really look at the police structures, have a look at

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Speaker 2: the sickly provisions, makes a radical changes. Shouldn't be afraid

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Speaker 2: to step on some tositive necess because at the end

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you question though, for some people if

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Speaker 1: they've had to go on extended, like what's going on

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Speaker 1: within the force in terms of mental health care, it's.

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Speaker 4: A far job.

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Speaker 2: I'm the first one to say that I understand people

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Speaker 2: can go and extend live, but there should be a limitation,

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Speaker 2: or should be a regular review here in the Northern

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Speaker 2: always somewhere down south, that can be reasonable.

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Speaker 1: Con let's move along, the City of Darwin has begun

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Speaker 1: installing those new parking meters across the CBD. It's all

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Speaker 1: in a bid to streamline parking for locals and visitors,

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Speaker 1: be installed. Well, have they been installed already or are

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Speaker 2: Starting today from Woods Street, they're coming forwards towards the CBD.

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Speaker 4: Solar power instead of the art fur G.

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Speaker 2: You can use your credit card, you use it, debit card,

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Speaker 2: you use your phone, use the application and we'll go

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Speaker 2: even to have some of them mini parking meters installing

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Speaker 2: light poles. You can touch your phone and you can

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Speaker 2: start picking from there, we'll try to make life easier

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Speaker 2: for everybody.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be good. It's going to be easy.

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Speaker 2: I heard the arguments about the Basic card. The problem

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Speaker 2: with the Basic card is does not have a micro chip.

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Speaker 2: You can't use it even the supermarket to buy food

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Speaker 2: because simply does work.

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Speaker 4: But you can still the supermarkets only if you're insert it.

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Speaker 4: You can't touch it and go.

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Speaker 2: But you can still use the Basic card to pay

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Speaker 2: for the past day application, or if you want to,

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Speaker 2: you can pay buy one of these credit cards from

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Speaker 2: the post.

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Speaker 4: Office to use it.

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Speaker 1: So what options are they going to pay for people

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Speaker 1: in terms of paying for that parking.

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Speaker 3: It's literally tap to.

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Speaker 4: Go or you find credit card, phone, debit card.

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Speaker 2: So everything you use at the moment to go to

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Speaker 4: It can be used in the CA.

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Speaker 1: Is parking going to change? Is the cost of parking

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Speaker 2: Well, we already announced what the wild be The fis

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Speaker 2: you compare our parking to some of the other capital cities,

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Speaker 2: you'd be pleasantly surprised how little we pay here compared

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Speaker 2: to Melbourne or sid Well.

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Speaker 3: We're a bit different to them, not right.

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Speaker 4: We are at the same time.

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Speaker 2: The difference like we pay in the CBD about five

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Speaker 4: What do you pay for the same time in pert Well?

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Speaker 1: And look, I can understand that we would actually be

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Speaker 4: Even with that one, we're very comparable in some cases.

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Speaker 1: Cheaper all right, So what do you say to those

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Speaker 1: people that are still really unhappy that they're not able

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Speaker 4: Well, let me tell you.

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Speaker 2: Today the Australian Gavin announced the new ideas system will

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Speaker 2: be based on your more smart phone. So from now on,

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Speaker 2: if you want to do a transaction anywhere, you have

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Speaker 2: to use your smartphone.

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Speaker 1: My understanding is that they'd still be the backup option

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Speaker 2: Now they said that they're going to go away from

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Speaker 4: They've got the smart phone for.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to have to follow that up. People

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Speaker 2: Well, the problem is things are changing. I mean you

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Speaker 4: Got to book a ticket for air fare, you have

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Speaker 4: to use your pa. I did it.

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Speaker 1: But what about like you know, you look at some

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Speaker 1: of those outages that we've had where not that long ago,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and this is a problem with modern technology. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're adopting non mother technology. We love it. It's is

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Speaker 2: just convenient. Power goes off technology GoGet window.

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Speaker 3: Hey, really quick one. I understand.

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Speaker 1: The council is also working on a streetscape project for

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Speaker 1: Smith Street. Where are things at with that?

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Speaker 2: We're actually asking any people, any artists, to put their

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Speaker 2: hand up and help us beautify the Smith Street with

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Speaker 2: beautiful artwork. You've seen the murals are around town. We

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Speaker 2: went more of those ones and the more color the better.

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Speaker 3: Contat scarlus. We better leave it there. Good to speak

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Speaker 3: with you this morning. Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 2: To see you when I see you, because I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: might not make it next week. I'm going to visit

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Speaker 2: my mum. Had the last of their family since ninety

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Speaker 2: three years old. It's a bit sensitive, so it's time

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Speaker 1: It goes that's all right, that's okay. Thank you, con

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you very soon.

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Speaker 4: No worries,