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Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily Ars.

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Speaker 2: This is the Daily ohs oh, now it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Good morning and welcome to the Daily Ods. It's Friday,

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Speaker 3: the twenty second of March.

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Speaker 2: I'm Zara, I'm Billy.

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Speaker 3: Banksy is in the news this week after he unveiled

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Speaker 3: his latest artwork in North London. You might have seen it.

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Speaker 3: It was green paint sprayed on a wall behind a

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Speaker 3: tree to give it the appearance of leaves, with a

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Speaker 3: person holding a sprayer next to it. Now, Banksy is

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Speaker 3: one of the world's most famous artists, but what is

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Speaker 3: perhaps most interesting about him is that we actually have

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Speaker 3: no idea who he is. He's managed to remain anonymous

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Speaker 3: throughout his career, which has spanned many decades. So how

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Speaker 3: does he do it well? Billy wanted to find out,

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Speaker 3: so she sat down with Professor Allison Young from the

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Speaker 3: University of Melbourne. Was researched graffitian straight arts extensively to

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Speaker 3: understand the world's obsession with Banksy. Before we get to that, Billy,

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Speaker 3: first up, what's making headlines.

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Speaker 2: The findings of a religious discrimination review have been tabled

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Speaker 2: in Parliament. The report from the Australian Law Reform Commission

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Speaker 2: recommended the government repeal part of the Sex Discrimination Act

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Speaker 2: that permits lawful discrimination against LGBTQ plus students or staff

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Speaker 2: on religious grounds in some circumstances. Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss

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Speaker 2: said the government respects the right of parents to send

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Speaker 2: their kids to a religious school and that it was

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Speaker 2: working on an enduring solution to protect the rights of students,

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Speaker 2: teachers and people of faith.

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Speaker 3: Australia's population increased by two point five percent in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three, according to new data from the Australian Bureau

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Speaker 3: of Statistics. This brought the total population in Australia to

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Speaker 3: twenty six point eight million people in September of last year.

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Speaker 3: Temporary workers and international students made up the majority of

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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister of Ireland has resigned after seven years

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Speaker 2: as leader. Leo Veradka became the country's youngest ever leader

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Speaker 2: minister and the country's first South Asian leader. Veradka announced

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Speaker 2: he was stepping down after a failed referendum which proposed

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Speaker 2: don't feel I'm the best person for the job anymore.

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Speaker 3: And the good news, researchers from the University of Amsterdam

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Speaker 3: say they've made a breakthrough step towards finding a cure

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Speaker 3: for HIV. The scientists have developed a way to rid

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Speaker 3: infected cells of the virus entirely using a type of

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Speaker 3: Nobel Prize winning gene editing technology. So far, these scientists

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Speaker 3: with animal trials next up. Okay, so, Billy, first start.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned it briefly at the beigin. But do you

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Speaker 3: want to just bring everyone along as to why Banksy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, as you said, he did unveil a new artwork.

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Speaker 2: It was this mural that popped up on a residential

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Speaker 2: didn't actually know who had done it. There were rumors

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Speaker 2: that they thought it was a Banksy art but it

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Speaker 2: wasn't until a few days after that Banksy posted to

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Speaker 2: his social media claiming it, and since then there has

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Speaker 2: been a whole lot of commentary around what it means.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people said it's commentary about destroying greenery.

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Speaker 2: The local council said it highlights the role that trees

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Speaker 2: all pretty consistent themes that he is commenting on the

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Speaker 3: And so why did you want to speak about it further?

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Speaker 2: So basically, Banksy is someone who I've heard a lot about,

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Speaker 2: You've heard a lot about, and like a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure I didn't know that much, not just about

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Speaker 3: It's pretty incredible wild.

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Speaker 2: To me, and so I wanted to understand more about

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Speaker 2: a call with Professor Allison Young, who, like you said,

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Can we start by explaining who Banksy is and why

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Speaker 1: It's a really interesting question. He started out as someone

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Speaker 1: to the public and he became the best known stencil

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Speaker 1: artist in the world. And then in the late eighties

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Speaker 1: his work became incredibly successful within the established art world

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Speaker 1: and selling for six figures and more around the world.

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Speaker 1: So he is a he's a bit of a puzzle

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Speaker 1: because he started out as the thing that many cities hate,

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Speaker 2: And how often these days does he unveil new artwork.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty rare. People get very excited when a new

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Speaker 1: banks He appears on the street, and we've seen in

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Speaker 1: recent days crowds of people in London lining up to

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Speaker 1: that hasn't happened probably for a year, since there's been

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Speaker 2: And one of the most fascinating things about bank Scene

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Speaker 2: It just suddenly appears overnight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's quite a puzzle. He now can afford

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about his identity. We know very little about

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Speaker 2: who he actually is. What do you know about his identity.

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Speaker 1: Obviously many people have met him and who know exactly

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Speaker 2: Everyone really fascinated by this idea, that it's this open

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Speaker 2: to keeping his identity a secret. Can you talk more

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Speaker 1: Thanks. He's probably a little bit like a CEO of

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Speaker 2: Are you amazed, in this day and age, with the

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's pretty oppressive. Yes, there have been

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Speaker 1: to know who it is. It's quite an achievement. Twenty

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Speaker 2: Do you know why he is so committed to keeping

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Speaker 1: I think two things. One is that he is a

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about his art. Why do you think Banks's

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Speaker 1: It's very clever, like it helps Like if you look

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Speaker 1: It would be funny to imagine one of those television

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