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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: Thank you, welcome back. Let's be honest, it was a

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Speaker 1: pretty rough day in Adelaide today. Last week we were

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Speaker 1: bragging about Adelaide being the hot spot for hot celebrities

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Speaker 1: just hope and pray that zac Efron does not pick

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Speaker 1: up coronavirus, because we will be the laughing stock of

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Speaker 1: the rest of the world if this happens. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: in all seriousness, it has been really scary today and

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Speaker 1: toilet paper is already being hoarded by a lot of

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Speaker 1: Adelaide locals. Well, let's be honest, Sophie. Sophie panic shopped before,

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Speaker 1: but are not complaining because she did buy us Springles

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Speaker 1: Kate has come up with the goods. She's created a

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Speaker 1: Spotify playlist. Yes, I've spent a lot of hours coming

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Speaker 1: up with this Christmas playlist for you guys to all enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, twenty two year old YouTuber Madison Woolly

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Speaker 1: what life advice someone so young could offer. Sophie, can

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Speaker 1: you tell us more about the launch of the book. Well,

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Speaker 1: this was one of Madison Wooly's very much hype Secret Projects,

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Speaker 1: The book is called twenty three Things I Think I Know,

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Speaker 1: and she has described the book as a life advice book,

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Speaker 1: and it's filled with things that she's apparently learned so far,

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Speaker 1: So that is a dollar a page you're paying for

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Speaker 1: this book. When you think about the price tag and

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Speaker 1: as incredibly tone deaf. Her celebration also was quite tone deaf.

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Speaker 1: celebrating with champagne and cavia. In terms of the costs,

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Speaker 1: Madison did actually address it on her Instagram. One follower

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Speaker 1: wrote back to her saying, Hi, Queen, the price is

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Speaker 1: To me, it's screams of being extremely self indulgent that

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Speaker 1: was also concerned because Madison started to suggest her young,

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Speaker 1: sit well because Madison promoted the fact that the book

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Speaker 1: included budgeting advice. Now, pushing people to put something onto

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Speaker 1: like very smart advice. It is a very interesting business

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Speaker 1: Naomi Campbell. Now, her book is rather a ripoff. It's

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Speaker 1: actually three thousand dollars. That's crazy. I didn't know anyone

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Speaker 1: At least the topic isn't problematic in a really negative way,

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Speaker 1: or we haven't actually read the book. I mean, there

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Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, you know what would make a great coffee

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Speaker 1: where your conversations disappear. So it's basically for a lot

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00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,600
Speaker 1: of fuck boys around there who want to say stuff

432
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,439
Speaker 1: to girls and for it there to be no trace

433
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 1: of that being said. I just don't get how Instagram

434
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,960
Speaker 1: can flat out copy these elements of different social media

435
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,879
Speaker 1: apps and get away with it. But we eat it up,

436
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 1: don't we. Like everyone is currently doing reels at the

437
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Speaker 1: moment because the engagement level is so high with reels,

438
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Speaker 1: so Instagram are rewarding you for putting up reels at

439
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Speaker 1: the moment. Well, I suppose it also makes sense because

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Speaker 1: you kind of want one social media platf that does

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00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:01,679
Speaker 1: it all. Like I don't want to have to go

442
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 1: between TikTok and Snapchat and Instagram, Like if Instagram has

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Speaker 1: all of those functionalities, then you're going to be using that.

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Speaker 1: It does annoy me though, because I hate going on

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Speaker 1: Instagram when people are just trying to push items for sale,

446
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,159
Speaker 1: like we see it all the time with influencers, and

447
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 1: now they're doing it with this shop function and I

448
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 1: feel like it's going to push people away from the app. Well,

449
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 1: the Instagram Shop was actually released in July this year,

450
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Speaker 1: and before you could find it in the explore section.

451
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Speaker 1: It is now at the bottom anchored section, so you

452
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 1: can just click on the shopping bag to get into

453
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: this shopping feature and it is designed to help users

454
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Speaker 1: discover brands both in Australia and around the world. I

455
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 1: really think that what they're trying to do here is

456
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 1: come for the influencers. They are trying to make money

457
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Speaker 1: through their own shopping feature and get rid of influencers

458
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Speaker 1: just going out on their own and signing these brand deals. Well,

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Speaker 1: it seems like a very staggered approach because a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago we were talking about the fact that

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Speaker 1: James Charles was really annoyed about the algorithm change because

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Speaker 1: he really had noticed a drop in his engagement, which which,

463
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Speaker 1: of course engagement is needed in order to push products

464
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Speaker 1: and get brand deals. And now this new update, it

465
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Speaker 1: seems pretty obvious, as you said, that Instagram is trying

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Speaker 1: to turn itself into a sales platform and take it

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Speaker 1: more of the profit themselves. I actually think it's quite

468
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Speaker 1: a strategic move from Instagram to put the shot button

469
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Speaker 1: where the love heart button used to be, because we

470
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Speaker 1: all know everyone's constantly pressing the love heart button to

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Speaker 1: see who's added them or who's commented on their posts.

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Speaker 1: So people are basically getting classically conditioned to push the

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Speaker 1: shot button rather than seeing the feedback on their Instagram posts,

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Speaker 1: which everyone loves to do. For those who are interested

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Speaker 1: in how Instagram actually makes money off the shopping feature.

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Speaker 1: Here's how Basically, there is a selling fee involved for

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Speaker 1: a brand. So if a brand sells a particular item,

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Speaker 1: Instagram take money from that sale. So it's I like

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Speaker 1: on eBay or deepop, where the platform takes a percentage

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Speaker 1: of the cut. Yeah, it's exactly like that. I know

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Speaker 1: with eBay they take about ten percent of the purchase.

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Speaker 1: What I can also assume is that brands will be

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Speaker 1: paying to be featured more prominently on the app as well,

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Speaker 1: so they'd be making a large amount of money off

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Speaker 1: brands who want to feature in the top spots of

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Speaker 1: that shopping section. It is pretty interesting because Instagram have

487
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Speaker 1: always been about keeping people on their platform and only

488
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: recently they introduced the swipe up link for people that

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Speaker 1: had over ten thousand followers, and a lot of influencers

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00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: obviously use this feature for their brand deals and to

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Speaker 1: send people off to shops websites, whereas Instagram are being

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Speaker 1: really clever and saying, hey, no, let's actually keep everyone

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Speaker 1: on Instagram so once they've bought their item, then they

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Speaker 1: continue to scroll. We were talking about James Chiles before,

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Speaker 1: and he was quite outspoken in the recent algorithm changes.

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Speaker 1: He's also been incredibly outspoken on this update. He said,

497
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Speaker 1: they've moved everything around and make it very very clear

498
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Speaker 1: where their priorities lie, and that is making money and

499
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Speaker 1: only making money. Now, I love James Charles, but I

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Speaker 1: kind of see a bit of a contradiction here. It's

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Speaker 1: safe to say that it appears that influencers are only

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Speaker 1: concerned about this because they don't want their ability to

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Speaker 1: make money be taken away. I have to remember the

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Speaker 1: Instagram is a free app who these people benefit very

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Speaker 1: highly from. But Instagram benefits from them being on the

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Speaker 1: app as well, because if people like James Charles weren't

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Speaker 1: on there, not as many people would be on Instagram

508
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 1: using the app. But we're also on Instagram to see

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Speaker 1: our friends pages as well, but no one ever posts.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm kind of on James Charles's side. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 1: he does make a lot of money from the app,

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Speaker 1: but as Amy said, people go onto the app to

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Speaker 1: watch him. And I know for a fact with Facebook,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we used to go on Facebook all the

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Speaker 1: time back in our UNI days. That was the place

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00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: to go. However, it got completely ruined when Facebook decided

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Speaker 1: to monetize itself. And this just seems another way, Instagram

518
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Speaker 1: is going to go down the pan. I mean, everyone

519
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: loves TikTok at the moment because it's not monetized. You

520
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: don't have all those commercial things being pushed at. But

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00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 1: that's obviously they're incredibly threatened by TikTok and that is

522
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Speaker 1: why they are trying to make these reels a complete

523
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Speaker 1: focus of their now I know. But then they're trying

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Speaker 1: to focus also on the monetization of the platform as well.

525
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Speaker 1: So it's kind of like this weird balancing app, like

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Speaker 1: which one do you want? Because at the end of

527
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: the day, we're going to go on the platform that

528
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Speaker 1: gives us the best content. The issue is going to be, though,

529
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Speaker 1: if some of these influencers get really pissed off because

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Speaker 1: Instagram are basically competing against the influencer to get their

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Speaker 1: brand's money by doing this, because brands, some brands will go, oh,

532
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Speaker 1: I'm going to pay to be on this shop page

533
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Speaker 1: instead of paying James Charles' money to promote my brand.

534
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Speaker 1: So it's going to start this ugly war. But I

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Speaker 1: kind of disagree with what you were saying earlier though, Okay,

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Speaker 1: and Amy, because yes, they have introduced the feature of

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Speaker 1: shopping on the app. But they've also introduced the feature

538
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Speaker 1: of rules, which is an incredibly creative process. So they're saying, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we're sick of influencers just sharing esthetically pleasing photos. We

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00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: want to see people creating fun content that's actually engaging.

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Speaker 1: And I think with the year we've had, we're pushing

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Speaker 1: more towards influences that give us value, not just those

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Speaker 1: who look good. Yeah. But the thing is, if Instagram

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Speaker 1: takes away influencers means to actually earn money, then they're

545
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Speaker 1: not going to be bothered to create engaging content to

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Speaker 1: be on the platform. So it's really the chicken in

547
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Speaker 1: the egg, like you need people on the platform creating

548
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Speaker 1: the content to view it. So, I don't know, it's

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00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: a bit of a confusing one. I mean, personally, if

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Speaker 1: I was Instagram, I'd be thinking of a way that

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00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: I could make some of that money bag that influences

552
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: are making. Yeah, but they make so much money off

553
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: the platform, it's not like they're going poor or anything. Well,

554
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Speaker 1: one really clever move from Instagram is that to celebrate

555
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Speaker 1: the launch of the new shopping app, they are having

556
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Speaker 1: a world first exclusive shopping night called instant Night, So basically,

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Speaker 1: they're going to be sharing a lot of sales on

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Speaker 1: December third, and I think that is going to entice

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Speaker 1: a lot of young people to start using this app

560
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: and seeing how effective and easy it is to use

561
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: What's happening and Evil takes a human Forum and Richina

562
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: George before because she makes him like your typical, selfish, backstabbing,

563
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,479
Speaker 1: slight based whole bag, but in reality, she is so

564
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: much more of that. Let's get into the reality wrap now, Kate.

565
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: That's some pretty exciting Batchy baby news that happened over

566
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: the weekend. Yes, it's really exciting news. The og Batchy

567
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Speaker 1: couple Anna and Tim have announced the arrival of their

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Speaker 1: daughter l Robards. Did anyone else think this name was

569
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: just so cute? I think it's very elegant and it's

570
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Speaker 1: just exactly what I expected and what a gorgeous little baby. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was very cute. Tim wrote on Instagram. I've fallen

572
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: in love all over again with these two. I just love, love,

573
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: love our little el robuts how bloody amazing. I never

574
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: knew my wife was a superhero. What a woman. I

575
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Speaker 1: feel like this new arrival has reminded me how good

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Speaker 1: the Bachelor used to be and that real love stories

577
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: can actually come out of this show. They have a

578
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: lot of work to get back there, but hopefully they

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Speaker 1: can do it well. On the topic of the Bachelor,

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Speaker 1: did anyone else see Angie Kent on the front cover

581
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Speaker 1: of Body and Soul? Yeah, well, Elmam actually sends us

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00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: screenshots of the Sunday mail every Sunday morning on Messenger.

583
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Speaker 1: And I was really surprised when I saw this, because

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Speaker 1: they were making Angie Kent out to be some poster

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Speaker 1: child for plastic surgery when she's not. So for those

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Speaker 1: who didn't see it, the headline on the front cover

587
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Speaker 1: read why it costs twenty six, seven hundred and forty

588
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Speaker 1: dollars a year to look like this? And there was

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Speaker 1: a photo of Angie and it had different price tags

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Speaker 1: on different parts of her face, so, for instance, it

591
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Speaker 1: had botox and it claimed that it cost her X

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Speaker 1: amount for bowtox and I just wow, this is really

593
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: not a good look one for Angie and I don't

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Speaker 1: think it would be something that she'd be happy with.

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00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: I also didn't like the inference the article made that

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00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: she had to get all this work done to be

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00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: on the Bachelorette because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: Angie was chosen to be on the Bachelorette for her

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00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: amazing personality and her down to earth quality, and she

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00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: has been so open about the fact that, yeah, I

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00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: do a bit of botox, and I do this and that.

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00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: But she's also been upfront about being just a normal girl,

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00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: and I think they're really trying to push her as

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00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,719
Speaker 1: some sort of Kim Kardashian esque person when she's not well.

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Speaker 1: I loved it because Angie hit out at Body and

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00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: Soul on Instagram. She did say that she enjoyed being

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00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: on the photo shoot and that the team were really nice,

608
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: but she said, however, I do feel the headline on

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00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: the front cover is a bit click baby and very

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00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: much not how I would go about saying, ladies, you

611
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: do you. I'm a huge believer in celebrating women and

612
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: all the effort they have to put in to sometimes

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00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: fit the idea of a glow up or just how

614
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: much freaking effort that goes into getting ready for work

615
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: or a cheeky night out or even a shit date.

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Speaker 1: I think the most straighting part about this is the

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00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 1: fact that Angie said she really did talk about how

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00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: her biggest investment has been in her mental health and

619
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: physical health, as well as investing in her soul, and

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00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: the whole magazine is called Body and Soul, yet this

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00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: was not mentioned at all. The pure focus was on

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00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: plastic surgery. Well, she did receive a lot of support

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00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: from other influences and well known people. One of those

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00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: was Clementine Ford, who commented, it also invites people to

625
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: harass control you, which is so awful. Which is such

626
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: a good point because people were hitting out and trolling

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00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: Angie after the article was published. Well, I think what

628
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: is so refreshing is that I feel like people are

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00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: seeing beyond these headlines now. I think that people are

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00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: realizing that journalists put these things out there purely as clickbait,

631
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: and it really is important to look at what quotes

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00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: were actually used in the article and then also at

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00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: the individual's Instagram to see if they have an issue

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00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: with it. Now let's get into the influencer rap. And

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00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I am still talking about Steph cleare

636
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: Smith's baby news. On Saturday, she announced her followers that

637
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: her and Josh would be having a baby boy. So

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00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: they actually shot a one of those like cannon guns

639
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: out and it came with blue powder, which was quite

640
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: funny because I was actually googling what the name for

641
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: one of those sort of gender revealed guns is, and

642
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: sadly I saw that a woman in like Iowa had

643
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: been killed by one of these at another gender reveal party,

644
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: so it seems like they're quite dangerous. Fortunately the announcement

645
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Speaker 1: went off without a hitch. I'm in two minds as

646
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: to whether I would personally want a gender reveal party myself.

647
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: I always thought that i'd want a surprise, but I

648
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: think it's something really exciting that you can enjoy during

649
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: your pregnancy and then get organized for it. Yeah, I'm

650
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: not sure. I think it is kind of a cool idea,

651
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: and I suppose when you're pregnant you might feel differently

652
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: about it, Sophie. But just moving along to Influenza Anastasia

653
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: kings North and I was laughing literally out loud last

654
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: night watching her latest YouTube video with her mum Julie.

655
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

656
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: I got a late night snapchat of this when I

657
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: was trying to sleep and Amy's like, turn this volume up,

658
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: you need to hear it. And then I turn it

659
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: up and this is what I heard.

660
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Speaker 3: Okay, go on yeah, what was the stranger place that weed?

661
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 2: Just in the Toylet I are in the shower?

662
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: Never who does that?

663
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: You do?

664
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Speaker 3: Says time. I hope you don't.

665
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Speaker 2: I do.

666
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: I know so many people we in the shower, not

667
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: we in a but but so many people were in

668
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Speaker 3: the shower.

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Speaker 2: You go we in that shower? Do you number will

670
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: not leave it out the video?

671
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Speaker 3: Okay, I really wouldn't because so many people in the shower.

672
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Speaker 2: That's disgusting.

673
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: But before you wash yourself just to go we in

674
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Speaker 3: the shower.

675
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: I think that's disgusting.

676
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: That's the eptium of laziness. Yeah, and you can put

677
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: that in. That's disgusting, My daughter and I agree with

678
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: you all. That is absolutely disgusting. You went we in

679
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: your shower. Please you take that out.

680
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: And you're so much grief.

681
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: Please let me know down below if you've weave in

682
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Speaker 3: the shower, because I guarantee you so many people have.

683
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there was so many people.

684
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, Anna, I've never heard of

685
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: one person in my forty six years almost of we

686
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: in the shower.

687
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Speaker 1: I'm ready disappointed. I loved the mother Julie's response to this.

688
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: She was disgusted at the idea of her daughter winging

689
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: in the shower. I loved her facial expressions because you

690
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: could tell she was very genuine, and she even told Anastasia,

691
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: as we've just heard, not to put it in her video,

692
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: which obviously shows how disgusted she was. I've got to ask,

693
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: what are your views on pissing in the shower? Well,

694
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: mom might force us to take this out of the podcast,

695
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: because yes, of course I piss in the shower. I know.

696
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: I just thought it was a normal thing. Like I've

697
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: gotta be honest when you go in the morning, like,

698
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go to the bathroom and then

699
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: go to the shower. Is that wrong? Well, Julia actually said,

700
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: that's the epitome of laziness, not going to the toilet

701
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: before you have a shower. And do you know what,

702
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: I never used to win in the shower, but I

703
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: must I must ad been. I do on the odd occasion.

704
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: But I was always the person who would go to

705
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: the toilet, and I used to think I was I

706
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: was literally Julie in this video. I used to think

707
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: it was foul that people did it. Well, let's just

708
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: throw it out there. I've been known to peace in

709
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: the pool as well. So where I draw the line,

710
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: so you need to remove this from the podcast. I

711
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: think that's I think there's something about like in the shower,

712
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: something about the warm water running and you're so relaxed.

713
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: Have you heard of people pooing in the shower, because

714
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: apparently it's I don't believe that's actually I heard that term,

715
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: And you know what, I think it's for people who,

716
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, some people don't have a toilet in their bathroom,

717
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: and I feel like a lot of people who might

718
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: sleep over at a significant other's house might poo in

719
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: the shower and risk putting pooh on the tiles and

720
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: it's smelling, And that is the dumbest thing. I think.

721
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: I's so wrong draw way more intention to yourself pooing

722
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: in someone's I'm dumping it down the bloody drain. Yeah,

723
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying I feel like it's one of

724
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: these I would never ever ever do that, but I

725
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: feel like there are a lot of people who have

726
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: done it. I don't think so. So you were seriously

727
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: sitting here saying that you think a woman would be

728
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: sleeping over at her partner's house and doesn't want to

729
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: go to the toilet, but in staid poo's in the

730
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: shower and stops it. I'm not saying a woman, I'm

731
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: saying a man. But a man wouldn't care about doing

732
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: a pooven he might oh gosh. Well, all I've got

733
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: to say is I feel like as long as you

734
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: aim at the drain, then you're okay. For those who

735
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: are interested in seeing the facial expressions made by Anastage's mum, Julie,

736
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: we will be putting a clip of it in our

737
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: Facebook community, so go check it out there and you

738
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: guys can share whether you piss in the shower or not.

739
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah well, swiftly moving ahead. Sky Wheatley is back in

740
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: the Influencer rap complaining about her pregnancy body. Yeah well.

741
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: She took to her story after she'd been to the

742
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: gym and shared the news that apparently a male had

743
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: asked her trainer, oh wow, what has she been eating?

744
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: What has she done to put on that weight? And

745
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: she was very, very embarrassed for someone to think that

746
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: she was overweight. Firstly, what kind of dickhead is commenting

747
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: on a woman at the gym putting on weight? And secondly,

748
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: she barely looks pregnant at all. I feel like she

749
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: is to completely obsessing over her body, because she's also

750
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: said to her followers that she would be sharing a

751
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: comparison photo of what she looked like now compared to

752
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: her first pregnancy. I feel like she should be embracing

753
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: her body and the changes that it's going through. She's

754
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: having a child. It's such an amazing thing that her

755
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: body is doing. I don't think she should be picking

756
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: on herself so much. Look, I agree with what you're saying,

757
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: but I do feel like if you're in the situation yourself,

758
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: it would be quite hard to come to terms with

759
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: seeing your body that you've worked really hard on to tone.

760
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: You know, she did have an amazing figure. It would

761
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: be hard to see those changes happening and like losing

762
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: control of your body. But she seemed more concerned with

763
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: the fact that other people might think that she's just

764
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: gained weight well, which is really odd because she puts

765
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: so much time and effort into making such a big

766
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: announcement that you would have thought people that go to

767
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: the gym with her would follow her and have seen it. Yeah,

768
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I do get where you're coming from, Kate,

769
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: because I feel like any change to your body is difficult.

770
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: I can see where she's coming from, but I feel

771
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: like she framed it in a bad way. Yeah, I

772
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: think when you're an influencer, it's not really great to

773
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: go on complaining about your pregnancy body when you've got

774
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: a very esthetically pleasing body normally. But it also makes

775
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: people who are overweight feel bad about themselves because she's

776
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: suggesting that it's so embarrassing for people to think that

777
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: she's put on weight. Well, I think it's reading into

778
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: it a little bit too much. At the end of

779
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: the day, she's just a normal person and it would

780
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: be offensive if someone was talking about your weight like that.

781
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: But if you are used to looking a certain way.

782
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: But why go on your story she's pregnant, get over

783
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: It's a bit funny. All she has to say is, oh,

784
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm actually pregnant, and that's it. Like, why I share

785
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: on your stories that you're so ashamed that someone thought

786
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: you were slightly had put on weights? And I know

787
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: if you're ashamed. I think that she's upset, so she's

788
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: sharing it with her following, But why be upset about that?

789
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: Because I don't know, I'm supposed when you're pregnant, you're

790
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: probably I'd be probably sensitive about a lot of different things,

791
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: I know, But I just don't think it's a great

792
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: message she'd be sharing on your Instagram story.

793
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: Well.

794
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: I think it also comes off the back of her

795
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: sharing all these throwback photos of her tiny waist, and

796
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: also sharing comparisons of her in this pregnancy compared to

797
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: the pregnancy a few years ago. Why do you have

798
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: to focus on the way you look all the time.

799
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: It's just so unnecessary. She's an influencer. She seems to

800
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: be putting a lot of pressure on herself to look

801
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: perfect during this time where she should just be embracing it.

802
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: I just want to see her doing a McDonald's muckbung again.

803
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: You could tweet the word hello, right and the Swifties

804
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 3: would be like, yeah, Queen, she said hello.

805
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: But then somebody could be like, whats of aggressive? Why

806
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: did she do that? Why is she greeting us? Who

807
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: is she greeting? She greeted us too soon, she greeted

808
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 1: us too late, she greeted us with a weird undertone.

809
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: Well that's all we've got time for today. Thank you

810
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Again, we do have a

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