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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning Satham. It's interesting watching

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump talk to the media, and there are sometimes

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Speaker 1: he does an interview and the journalist let him get

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Speaker 1: away with staff because you know, no one wants to

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Speaker 1: take down the president. Some journalists try and get him

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Speaker 1: to stick to the facts, which isn't easy. But an

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Speaker 1: Australian journalist called Jonathan Swan, he's a son of Norman Swan.

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Speaker 1: Norman who's who's a broadcaster, a physician, a journalist. He

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Speaker 1: works for the ABC. He's got a coronavirus podcast which

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Speaker 1: he's sort of a go to guy if you say,

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Speaker 1: what's happening with the coronavirus is so knowledgeable, so it

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Speaker 1: stands to reason that his son would have all the

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Speaker 1: facts and figures at his fingertips. So Jonathan Swan is

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Speaker 1: interviewing Donald Trump has turned up with a number of graphs.

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Speaker 1: Donald has to boast about how well America is doing

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Speaker 1: in death rate as opposed to the rest of the

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Speaker 1: world with coronavirus, and it didn't go as Donald was expecting.

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Speaker 2: Look at some of these churches, I'd like to and

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Speaker 2: if you look at death.

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Speaker 3: Started to go up as one.

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Speaker 2: Well, right here the United States is lowest in numerous categories.

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Speaker 2: Were lower than the world, lower, lower than what is Europe?

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Speaker 2: In what look in what take the look here's case

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Speaker 2: thereth Oh.

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Speaker 3: You're doing death as a proportion of cases. I'm talking

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Speaker 3: about death as a proportion of population. That's where the

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Speaker 3: US is really bad, well, much worse than South Korea, Germany,

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Speaker 3: et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Can't you can't do that. You have guys where you

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Speaker 2: have to go by. You have to go by where look,

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Speaker 2: here is the United States. You have to go by

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Speaker 2: the cases, the cases.

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Speaker 3: Why not as a.

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Speaker 2: Proportion have somebody. What it says is when you have

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Speaker 2: somebody that has it, where there's a case, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: the people that lived from those cases.

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Speaker 3: It's surely a relevant statistic to say if the US

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Speaker 3: has x population and x percentage of death of that

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Speaker 3: population versus South area by the cases. We look at

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Speaker 3: South Korea, for example, fifty one million population, three hundred deaths.

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Speaker 2: It's like crazy, you don't know.

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Speaker 3: Do you think they're faking their statistics? South Korea have

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Speaker 3: a very good relationship with the country, But you don't

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Speaker 3: know that.

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Speaker 1: I think he does know that. He does know that's

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Speaker 1: gone viral around the world, and so many journalists are saying,

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Speaker 1: here's how you interview Donald Trump. Made me stick to

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Speaker 1: the cognitive tests.

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Speaker 2: Person, woman, man, camera, TV.

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Speaker 1: Kindy flash.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing, it's amazing, tremendous.

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Speaker 2: Join The and Amanda in the morning at one point

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Speaker 2: seven