1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast It's not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy, Kate and 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: That is so fetch Thank you, welcome back to Outspoken. 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: Now today it's just myself, Kate and Sophie. We've given 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: Amy a little bit of a break because it is holidays. Sophie, 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: how are your final days of holidays going? Well? It's 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: been a very low key break because, like most people, 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: I have been avoiding heading out too much because omicron 12 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: is spreading like wildfire in Adelaide. However, the most exciting 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: thing to happen to me this week was the fact 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: that I've regained access to my Facebook page, which was 15 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: locked from me very strangely because I attempted few too 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: many times to get in using the wrong password and 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: also from a phone they didn't seem to register. Yes, 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: I did receive a lot of panicked text messages from 19 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: Sophie complaining that she couldn't get back into her account, 20 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: and she felt like she was totally out of the 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: loop because it's so annoying. I just rely on all 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: our group conversations and I kept being like, why are 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: Sophie so rude and not replying? And then I realized 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: it's because you couldn't reply. Well, that's the thing. You 25 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: think that Facebook is so irrelevant. Is one of those 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: apps you kind of like, oh, I could live without it, 27 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: But I realized how relevant it actually is. And I 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: don't know people would know who've also had their accounts locked. 29 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: You can potentially lose all of your photos because they've 30 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: removed your profile completely. So I'm sitting there thinking I've 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: lost twelve years of photos that I have not backed up. 32 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: And also, something I've realized I really enjoy, which most 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: people might not like, is getting Facebook memories. Every night, 34 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: I go and check my Facebook memories, and I thought, 35 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: in January, I'm gonna get all these memories of these 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: great trips I've been on, but unfortunately I started to 37 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: be able to enjoy them now. It's quite funny you 38 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: say that, because I just remembered we are going to 39 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: talk about him later in the show. But Connor Swift, 40 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: who is embroiled in that vile tweet scandal with his 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: parn l Darby. He was complaining that he had lost 42 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: it was I think seven years worth of his iPhone 43 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: back up because he hadn't backed it up to the iCloud. 44 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: He's probably wishing his Twitter was taken down and last 45 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: access to I know so, But who keeps seven years 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: worth of photos and content, particularly if you're a content 47 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: creator on your phone and don't even back it up. 48 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: I think at that point you deserve to lose your content. 49 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: What nothing, We haven't done anything if we saw it. 50 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: No, we haven't been anywhere near your Facebook page, for. 51 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: Fuck's sake, What have you done? 52 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: Look, if you don't tell me the password, I'm contact 53 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: in the site administrator of reporting you. We just wanted 54 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: to jump in and issue a trigger warning before we 55 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: get into the first topic. We do discuss issues around 56 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: eating disorders, which could be triggering to some people. Sarah's 57 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: Day has been accused of specifically marketing her latest fitness 58 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: program to people who either have an eating disorder or 59 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: those at risk of developing one. Eating disorder. Recovery coach 60 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: Mia Finlay labeled the Influencers program as unethical Before we 61 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: get into the topic, I feel like we need to 62 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: give some background on the main players here. Firstly, Kate, 63 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: who is Mia finlay Well. Mia is a Sydney based 64 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: eating disorder recovery coach who is the founder of eating 65 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: disorder recovery coaching practice Beyond Body Coaching. So she has 66 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: worked in the eating disorder advocacy field for over eight 67 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: years and is also an ambassador for Australia's leading eating 68 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: disorder body the Butterfly Foundation. Now, Miya also runs a 69 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: YouTube channel and Instagram account dedicated to spreading recovery, hope 70 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: and awareness for eating disorders under the handle what Mia 71 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: Did Next. She has nineteen point three thousand followers on 72 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: Instagram and sixty point three subscribers on YouTube and I 73 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: do highly recommend anyone to follow her on those platforms. 74 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: Mia is also very passionate about helping others, having recovered 75 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: from an eating disorder herself. Now, the next player is 76 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: of course Sarah's Day, and I feel like avid listeners 77 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: will definitely know who Sarah's Day is, but for those 78 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: who are new here, Sarah is a twenty nine year 79 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: old self proclaimed holistic health princess. She lives in Crenala 80 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: in New South Wales and has a toddler called Fox 81 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: with her husband Kurt and a second baby on the way. 82 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: Now Sarah has a mass over one point two million 83 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: Instagram followers and one point five million YouTube subscribers. Sarah 84 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: is the owner and founder of healthy cooking app Sonny 85 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: and has launched two fitness ebooks called Sweat It to 86 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: Shred It and Sweat It Reload. And of course she 87 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: has had a lot of controversies along the way, which 88 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: we have covered in depth in our podcast over the 89 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: last couple of years. But I think for now we 90 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: should get into this latest controversy surrounding her new fitness program. 91 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: So on New Year's Day, Sarah launched her new ebook 92 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: called Sweat It Limitless, which is the final progression of 93 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: her fitness program and it's been touted as the most 94 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: advanced program now. The program runs for eight weeks and 95 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: is said to be designed to burn body fat, sculpt 96 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: and tone your muscles, and make you fall in love 97 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: with fitness. So Sarah said she completed the program in 98 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: the lead up to her wedding and should have named 99 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: it Sweated to Wet It. So on the first of January, 100 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: Sarah shared a reel to her Instagram feed marketing the program. 101 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: The reel was entitled Sweat It Limitless Now Live in 102 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: eight weeks, You'll have eight weeks of excuses or eight 103 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: weeks of sweat and progress the Limitless kickstart to twenty 104 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: twenty two. Go Go Go. So the reel has accumulated 105 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 1: thirty seven thousand likes and has been viewed six hundred 106 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: and thirty five thousand times. Let's throw to the audio 107 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: from the reel. 108 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 4: To the girl who lays in bed every night and 109 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 4: overthinks everything she ate that day, To the girl who 110 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: forces herself to state the gym for over an hour, 111 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 4: to the girl who dwells in guilt if she misses 112 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 4: a workout, I was you. Getting myself to this point 113 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 4: was far deeper than just the physical. It was about 114 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 4: changing my mindset and creating a lifestyle, nourishing my body, 115 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 4: listening to my body, moving because I love my body, 116 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 4: not because I'm trying to fix it. So shout out 117 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 4: to the girls who have come full circle and can 118 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 4: rest in balance, consistency over burnout, balance over restriction, and 119 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 4: finally listening to our bodies. 120 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: Now, following the launch of this real. Sarah received backlash 121 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: in the comments for promoting her fitness plan a people 122 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: struggling with disordered eating. Someone wrote, so the way I 123 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: see this, you're telling me to join your workout plan 124 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: because I have anarexia? Do you not see how specifically 125 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: targeting eating disorders is a moral Another wrote, this is 126 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: targeting those with eating disorders, especially those with orthorexia. Please 127 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: stop this. It continued with another user writing the girl 128 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about needs therapy, not another diet or exercise regime. Now. 129 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: One commenter caught Sarah's attention, sparking a response from her. 130 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: They wrote, this is such a damaging message. What you 131 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: are essentially saying is that instead of working on yourself 132 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: and learning to forgive yourself, we can purchase your exercise 133 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: program and feed the obsession to have a certain type 134 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: of body. 135 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 3: Now. 136 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: This comment was liked seven hundred and ninety seven times. Now. 137 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: Sarah responded to this comment saying, yeah, no, that's not 138 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: what I'm essentially saying at all. Sorry you've taken this 139 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: in a negative light. This really frustrates me here because 140 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: I don't think the onus is on the followers who 141 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: are apparently taking this in a negative light. This is 142 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: how it is coming across to the majority of people 143 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: who view this content. Yeah, exactly right. And on Wednesday, 144 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: eating disorder recovery coach Mia Finlay entered the conversation with 145 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: a brilliant YouTube video entitled Dear Sarah's Day, this is 146 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: wrong Now. In the sixteen minute video, which has at 147 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: the time of recording, received sixteen thousand views, Mia very 148 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: eloquently and powerfully explained to viewers how damaging the marketing 149 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: of Sarah's program is to vulnerable people. So before diving 150 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: deep on the topic, she did add a disclaimer that 151 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: her video wasn't criticism or a personal attack on Sarah 152 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: at all, rather than a plea to someone running a 153 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: business that was profiting from marketing a product at a 154 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: vulnerable audience. And I really urge people to go watch 155 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: the video in full, as Mia explained also perfectly but essentially, 156 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: MIA's main issue with the video was how the marketing 157 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: of the real seemed to be directed at people exhibiting 158 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: signs of eating disorder, or at least those with unhealthy 159 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: relationships with movement and food. Mia said the video was 160 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: full of red flags of people who suffer from disordered 161 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: eating and exercise, and the last thing people exhibiting these 162 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: signs need is exercise. She also urged anyone who was 163 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: experiencing the behavior outlined in the program's add to instead 164 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: call the Butterfly Foundation. Mia went on to say that 165 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: she had never seen a diet or exercise program specifically 166 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: geared and targeted towards people who either are at high 167 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: risk of an eating disorder or who have one. She 168 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: said that while there are many fitness influencers now co 169 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: opting body positivity and intuitive eating, this is the first 170 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: time she's seen someone co opt eating disorders and recovery now. 171 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: Another issue Miya had with the promotion of the program 172 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: was around the skill level. As discussed earlier, the program 173 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: is the trilogy in Sarah's Day's ebook series and promoted 174 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: as the most advanced program of that series. Now. Mia 175 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: said that marketing and intense exercise program are people who 176 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: either have al those at high risk of having an 177 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: eating disorder is very unethical. She also highlighted how contradictory 178 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: Sarah's messaging was, saying in the video that people no 179 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: longer had to feel guilt, but then captioning the video 180 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: in a classic toxic diet culture rhetoric of no excuses now. 181 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: Sarah also wrote on the website, I can't wait to 182 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: see your incredible results in eight weeks time, which really 183 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: doesn't fit with that narrative either. Yeah, definitely not. And 184 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: to make matters even worse for Sarah, Miya also highlighted 185 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: the timing of the launch. So the program was launched 186 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: on New Year's Day, and the New Year is clearly 187 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: the most lucrative time for the dieting industry, coming off 188 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: the back of everyone indulging over Christmas and of course 189 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: New Year's resolutions. And Mia also explained that there has 190 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: been an astronomical spike in eating disorders across the world 191 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: due to COVID, which has amplified what is already a 192 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: worldwide crisis. Mia said, to release this program and target 193 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: this particular demographic at this time again, I'm going to 194 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: use the word unethical in place of others. This is 195 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: a totally inappropriate time message and audience. I think that 196 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: this is such a fantastic point because obviously they have 197 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: strategically targeted people feeling vulnerable with New Year's Day coming around. 198 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: As you say, Kate, it is the time when most 199 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: people are thinking about New Year's resolutions and getting into dieting, 200 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: and I think that she has put it so well 201 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: and eloquently. Yeah, I could not agree more with MIA's 202 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: messaging in this video, and I really wanted to extend 203 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: my thanks to Mia for creating the video. As Mia explained, 204 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: eating disorders in Australia have the highest mortality rate of 205 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: any mental illness and it is totally unethical to target 206 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: a fitness program to these vulnerable people. I think it 207 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: was also really important considering Sarah has been deleting negative 208 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: commentary on her post, which again Mia pointed out as 209 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: a motivator to create the video. I also like the 210 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: way she approached it because I feel like she was 211 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: very professional and also empathetic. And I really liked how 212 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: she pointed out that this isn't a personal critique, yet 213 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: an important plea. I was totally shocked when I saw 214 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: this real pop up in my Instagram feed. I do 215 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: not know how this messaging got approved by anyone from 216 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: her team. It really shows what sort of bubble they 217 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: are living in, and I really think that she needs 218 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: to get someone on board who is outside of her 219 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: friendship group, outside of the scenario and outside of the 220 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: Kronella bubble that they do seem to find themselves in. Yeah, well, 221 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: I think the issue is that Sarah seems to head 222 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: up the marketing team and be behind all the ideas, 223 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: where As you said, there needs to be someone that 224 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: isn't within her bubble and that can say no, this 225 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: is not a good idea. I feel like they slowly 226 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: are realizing that this sort of toxic diet culture is 227 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: no longer acceptable and it was what Sarah formed her 228 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: career on and now they're trying to make this switch 229 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: and say, hey, we're not like this at all, but 230 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: we're trying to get you to do this intense, grueling workout. 231 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: It just makes no sense to me at all. Yeah, 232 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: the messaging is very oft and sadly. I do think 233 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: it points out the fact that Sarah very much is 234 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: still struggling with trying to turn that part of her 235 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: mind off. I mean, Mia did touch upon that Sarah 236 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: hasn't come out and formally said that she has suffered 237 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: from an eating disorder, but she does make a lot 238 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: of reference towards her having disordered eating and an unhealthy 239 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: relationship with over exercising. So I do feel like this 240 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: rhetoric very much comes out in a negative way in 241 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: the video because it's very clear that she still has 242 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: that mindset that she does need to punish her body 243 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: and you know, stick to this healthy eating. However, she 244 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: knows deep down that that isn't going to fly in 245 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. So I think that's why the messaging 246 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: is just so mixed up. It's really interesting because on 247 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: it Instagram story, she has spoken about the fact that 248 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: she purposely hasn't marketed this as some sort of web 249 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: shread program because she has had feedback from followers that 250 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, that's not really the done thing anymore or 251 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: appropriate messaging to brides. But then again, how did she 252 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: think that this messaging was appropriate? How did she not 253 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: have the foresight to see that people would have an 254 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: issue with this or could see through what she was 255 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: trying to say. I actually think it would have been 256 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: better if Sarah had just stuck with her old format 257 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: of promoting a web shread, because I think we're all 258 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: educated enough on the topic of diets now that we 259 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: can see through that and you know what you're getting. 260 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: But this seems quite manipulatative, and it's really disturbing. Because 261 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: it is manipulating vulnerable people. And I also speak to 262 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: a lot of who her audience has made up exactly exactly, 263 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: and I mean Sarah claims that she has learned from 264 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: those bad behaviors and moved on and she wants other 265 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: people to be like her and have gotten over these issues. However, 266 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: if that's the case, then why does she still have 267 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: very damaging videos on her YouTube channel where she promotes 268 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: unhealthy exercise and unhealthy eating. I'm really curious to know 269 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: how many copies of this ebook she sold. As we 270 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: have discussed on the podcast before, I feel like the 271 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: ebook phenomenon is very ten years ago, very Bikini Body 272 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: Guide by Kayla Astinas. I'm so surprised that she didn't 273 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: release some sort of app, and I am curious to 274 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: know how many sales were made. I'm really surprised that 275 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: Sarah hasn't added a workout plan to the Sunny app. 276 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: I feel like, as you said, Sophie, Kayla Astinas has 277 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: moved on, and how has her app sweat? You've got 278 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: to keep it cleaner app. It makes sense to have 279 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: the diet and the workout program altogether on an app. 280 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: Sarah did say that this is the final program in 281 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: the sweate At ebook range, so perhaps they are looking 282 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: to move the program onto the app. I did want 283 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: to end this segment with a very important message from 284 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: me as video. 285 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: This is the one time where I will be my 286 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: clear in this video. Leave this demographic alone, Leave eating 287 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: disorder sufferers alone, Leave people fighting for their lives alone. 288 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: They do not need eight week exercise programs. They do 289 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: not need body checking from you in your promo. They 290 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: don't need to give you their seventy dollars. They need 291 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: appropriate care and treatment and to be pointed in the 292 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: direction of qualified individuals who are able to help them 293 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: address these issues that you are using to line your 294 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: own pocket. 295 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: Tully Smyth has sparked debate after revealing she's intentionally trying 296 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: to contract COVID from her boyfriend Kate. Can you tell 297 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: us what's happened? Well? The former Big Brother housemates shocked 298 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: followers on Wednesday when she announced on her insta story 299 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: that she's moving in with her boyfriend Daniel, who has 300 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: just tested positive to COVID. So, according to Tully, Daniel 301 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: is symptomatic and he initially started out with a throat 302 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: which has progressed into a fever. He has since woken 303 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: up feeling like a trainer's hit him. So I do 304 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: feel sorry for him, and he also is experiencing body 305 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: aches and a headache now. Tully made her relationship with 306 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: Daniel Inster official in December twenty twenty one, after dating 307 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: in private for six months. So the pair do live separately, 308 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: and Tully has tested negative on a rapid antigen test 309 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, so she really could have isolated at home now. 310 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: Tully has said that she's hoping to catch COVID sooner 311 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: rather than later. The caption on her inst story read, 312 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: so the boy has woken up feeling awful and tested 313 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: positive on a rat at his house, but I'm still 314 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: testing negative at my house. After much anxiety and deliberation, 315 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: I literally called three people to ask her opinion, I've 316 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: decided to pack my stuff and move in for the 317 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: week to hopefully catch it sooner rather than later. Packing 318 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: essentials included lots of lounge wear and oversized tees, four books, 319 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: Monopoly deal, a nice smelling candle, ear plugs, jokes baby, 320 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: and of course the Golden ticket. Rats wish me luck. Now, 321 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: of course, the rats I'm referring to are rapid antigen 322 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: tests for those confused at home now, Tully documented the 323 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: process of moving into Daniel's home, filming her boyfriend whilst 324 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: he stood on the balcony as she arrived at his house. 325 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to what she said from enjoying 326 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: my last with freedom before I voluntarily join the COVID 327 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: house of hers. 328 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: Hey patient zero. 329 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: Hey really pretty buff? I feel great. 330 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 5: Let's see how. 331 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: Long that lasts. Now, it's important to point out that 332 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: Tully appeared on the insta story holding a drink from 333 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: Hungry Jack's and included the caption pit stop at Hungry 334 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: Jack's was also a necessity. 335 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 4: Now. 336 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: The appearance of the Hja's cup has sparked outrage online, 337 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: with many people accusing Tully of putting fast food workers 338 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: at risk considering her close contact status. Tally has responded 339 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: those saying that she went through the drive through with 340 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: a mask on. I also want to point out before 341 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: she went through the h Day's drive through, she also 342 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: had had done a rat test pretty recently, so she 343 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: did know at the time she was negative. Now, Kate, 344 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: why do you think so many people are shocked by 345 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: Tully's decision to try and contract COVID from her boyfriend. 346 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: I feel like people are really struggling to keep up 347 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: with this forever changing narrative of the pandemic, particularly over 348 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: the Christmas break, because so much has been happening, and 349 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: for so long we've been striving for this COVID zero 350 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: and then the focus was then on getting everyone vaccinated, 351 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: and now we're in this phase of trying to live 352 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: with COVID and this is all in the midst of 353 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: the unknown of the omicron variant, all this skyrocketing case 354 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: numbers in Australia and the world. So when it does 355 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: come to Tully actively trying to catch COVID, I feel 356 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: like it it goes against the health advice that we've 357 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: all been basing the last two years of our existence on. 358 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: So I'm really not surprised that it has caused a reaction. 359 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: And Tully has also been someone that has used her 360 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: platform for good to promote vaccinations as well as openly 361 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: sharing her struggles during Melbourne's longest lockdown, So I think 362 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: has just taken people by surprise, and people are trying 363 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: to get the head around everything. And I mean, I 364 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: feel like, personally, I don't even know how to feel 365 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: about any of this COVID Stuart moving forward. I'm really 366 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: in two minds about this decision from Tully because I 367 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: can totally see her point of view and then also 368 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: the point of view of followers who are confused and 369 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: perhaps angry about this decision. I think at the moment, 370 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: because there's this kind of narrative going on online that 371 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: it's suddenly cool to catch COVID because we're seeing all 372 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: these influences with it. I think Tully is thinking clearly 373 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: that she is going to get COVID soon. She's been 374 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: around her boyfriend the whole time. She said they kissed 375 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: while he was infectious. I also think that she probably 376 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: wants to be there for her boyfriend, who does sound 377 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: quite unwell at the moment. The other issue is that 378 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: Tully lives with a roommate, and she has said that 379 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: she she doesn't want to keep living with the roommate 380 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: and potentially infect her and her family. So I really 381 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: do think she's in a bit of a catch twenty two. 382 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: I think that where she perhaps went wrong was almost 383 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: probably unintentionally trying to glamorize it by showing her little 384 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: weakend way kit of things that she'd packed for her boyfriend, 385 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: but I think she was just trying to share her life. Well, 386 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: let's be honest, though, there is a lot of privilege 387 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: in choosing when to contract COVID. There are a lot 388 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: of vulnerable people out there that are literally staying at 389 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: home because if they do contract it, they're not going 390 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: to be lucky. They're not going to have minor symptoms. 391 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: This could be a life threatening illness for them. So 392 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: I can definitely see from that point of view that 393 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: Tully does it like she is in a very privileged situation. 394 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: There are also a lot of people angry because they 395 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: feel like what Tully has shared is a bit of 396 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: a slap in the face of overworked healthcare workers. And 397 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: again I can see that point of view as well. 398 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: I mean this, at the end of the day, this 399 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: situation is just shit, and there's no right or wrong 400 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: way to conduct your I mean, there obviously is a 401 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: wrong way, you know, the dickhead in Adelaide, the nineteen 402 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: year old guy that went to a nightclub when he 403 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: was infectious with COVID. Obviously that's the wrong way. But 404 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: in terms of what Tali has done, it clearly is 405 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: a personal decision. I'm not so sure that she should 406 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: have shared it publicly to her Instagram account, because, as 407 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: you said, so, there is a little bit of a 408 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: viral trend going around with people saying that they're having 409 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: fomo for not having COVID since all the influencers have it, 410 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: and I saw Sarah Davidson chare a reel about it. 411 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: And while I know most people are taking the piss, 412 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: let's be honest. For some influences, getting COVID is good content, 413 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: particularly when so many of us are waiting getting COVID 414 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: and interested to see what the symptoms are and how 415 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: people are dealing with it. And that is not to 416 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: say that I think that's at all what's motivated Tally 417 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: to share her updates, but let's be honest. At the moment, 418 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: COVID is a very hot topic on social media now. 419 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: On Wednesday night, Talie updated her followers again after receiving 420 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: a barrage of messages. She said she doesn't in the 421 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: slightest think it's cool to get COVID and that she 422 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: is feeling really anxious about it. She wrote, like everyone else, 423 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: I've spent the last two plus years doing everything in 424 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: my power to avoid it. However, Unfortunately, my partner was 425 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: already positive, so it's not looking good for me. I 426 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: am allowed to access the rat tests just like everyone else. 427 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: I drove around for days and days trying to track 428 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: them down, just like everyone else. I now have a 429 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: box of seven less three to share with my partner, 430 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: his brother who lives here, and myself. I'm hardly squirreling them. 431 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: Speaking of the boy, I am more than capable of 432 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: being away from him for seven days. We are very 433 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: independent people who like our time alone. But A if 434 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: I very likely have it, B can avoid passing it 435 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: on to my housemate and her family and anyone else 436 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: she sees, and C can be here to look after 437 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: my partner. I'm going to do that. I'm not sure 438 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: if it's the right decision, but it's the one I 439 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: made because it seems like the best option, predominantly for 440 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: my housemate. I'll say this again, the world is a 441 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: weird place right now. Please be kind and stay safe now. 442 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: I think she explained herself really well in this statement, 443 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: and I do think that we are operating in such 444 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: a strange time that we really do need to be 445 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: a little bit kinder to people online, particularly people going 446 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: through difficult times. Yeah, I think it was particularly unhelpful 447 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: to say that she'd been hoarding rat tests. I mean, 448 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: I can understand that it's a very contentious topic at 449 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: the moment because no one seems to be able to 450 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: get their hands on them, but she has been sharing 451 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: information to other people about how they can find them. 452 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,959 Speaker 1: So I just think people are clutching at straws at 453 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: the moment around that. Now, on a different note, I 454 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: have really enjoyed seeing Tully hard launch the new boyfriend, 455 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: and it's really nice to see her so happy and 456 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: with someone who really seems to gel with her because 457 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: they've been on a little trip to Sydney and it's 458 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: been really cute to see them out and about and 459 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: just enjoying themselves, particularly for Tully who's been in lockdown 460 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: for such a long part of twenty twenty and twenty 461 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: twenty one. 462 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, angels, listen, Todays literally going to be 463 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 5: so exciting. I have been looking forward to this. 464 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: Day for an influencer, El Darby has released a YouTube 465 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: video apologizing for offensive tweets that have resurfaced. The twenty 466 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: six year old mum said she was disgusted by messages 467 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: she sent in twenty eleven from an old account which 468 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: contained racial and offensive slurs. Since the incident, l has 469 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: been dropped by brands she once fronted and lost seventy 470 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: five thousand Instagram followers, Kay, can you bring us up 471 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: to speed? So on New Year's Eve, old tweets of 472 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: Ellen and cons began making the rounds on TikTok. Now, 473 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, so if the tweets were very vile 474 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: and were of a racist, homophobic, sexist, and fat phobic 475 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: nature and were posted back in twenty eleven and twenty 476 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: twelve when Ellen conn were around fifteen and sixteen years old. Now, 477 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: if you want to hear more details about the incident, 478 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: please go back and listen to Monday's show where we 479 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: go into it in more detail. So before we get 480 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: into the apology, I do want to point out that 481 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: the story has received widespread coverage not only in the 482 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: UK but in Australia. Media outlets like the BBC, The Heraldsun, 483 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: News dot Com, The Sun and The Daily Mail have 484 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: been reporting on the issue since the tweets are released. 485 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: On Newyear's Eve, Elle has lost, as you said, a 486 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: staggering seventy five thousand followers on Instagram and twenty two 487 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: thousand subscribers on YouTube. Now, her Instagram currently sits at 488 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: seven hundred and nine thousand followers, and con has lost 489 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: over sixteen thousand followers. I think he was originally sitting 490 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: around the one hundred and ninety thousand mark. Now, zo V, 491 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: can you fill us in on this apology because this 492 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: is the second apology from Lle. That's right. So Elle 493 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: initially came out with an apology on her Instagram story 494 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: and now on Monday, Elle has released a video on 495 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: YouTube entitled I'm Sorry, which is a mass more than 496 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: seven hundred and eleven thousand views at the time of recording. Now, 497 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: in the video, Elle is makeup free with a hair 498 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,479 Speaker 1: pulled back in a bun, and this is becoming a 499 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: trend of most influenced apology videos. And I totally understand 500 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: the opt this, and I'm sure it has something to 501 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 1: do with either her manager or a PR agency who 502 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: would have suggested that it makes it appear as though 503 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: she's struggling or that she looks like she's had a 504 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: lack of sleep from the incident, which overall gives the 505 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: impression that she's more sincere. Yeah, I think an important 506 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: part of people accepting an apology is if it's authentic 507 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: and real, and she does look very raw and real 508 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: in this video, and I just think it would have 509 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: looked totally wrong if she was all made up, because 510 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: it would look like she was using this as a 511 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: chance to promote herself, almost because we have seen so 512 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: many influencers do the wrong thing but then actually get 513 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: bigger from the publicity. And a couple of years ago 514 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: there was this controversy surrounding her because I think it 515 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: was a hotel she tried to stay at for free 516 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: out at her and she ended up getting more followers 517 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: off it. So I totally agree there is a lot 518 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: of strategy going around with this apology, definitely. And Elle 519 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: started the video by saying that she's tried to film 520 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: the video so many times, but every time it's no 521 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: good as there are no words to say. How sorry 522 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: she is. Here is a snippet of what she said. 523 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 3: The tweets I made in twenty eleven were so disgusting 524 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 3: and so far from the past I am today. They 525 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: were racist, they were flat phobic, they were homophobic, they 526 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 3: were enabling words in them. 527 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 5: I am ashamed. I am disgusted in myself. There is 528 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 5: not one person on this planet there hates me more 529 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 5: than I do right now, and the pain I know. 530 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 3: I have caused just so many of you eats me up. 531 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: Eldon continued by saying that she used to be perceived 532 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: by followers as someone they considered a great friend, but 533 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: this image has now been tainted by someone who she 534 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: doesn't even recognize herself to have ever been. She then 535 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: said that she wished she could take back the hurtful words, 536 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: but the only thing she can do is continue bettering herself, 537 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: as she said she has done over the last ten 538 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: year years. She said, since I made those tweets, I 539 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: have grown from a girl to a woman. I've lived 540 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: more life, I've experienced more things. I've had better education 541 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: in these last ten years than I've ever had. The 542 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: younger version of myself has let everybody down, my entire life, 543 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: my family, my son, my friends, my colleagues, my entire team, 544 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: everybody who has ever watched and supported me on here, 545 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: I've let down everybody now. I do think that it 546 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: is quite interesting that she didn't mention her fiance con 547 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: and I assume that is because he is also embroiled 548 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: in the scandal with his own tweets being released. However, 549 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: I do think it throws more fuel on the fire 550 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: because a lot of people are speculating that there's some 551 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: sort of cheating scandal happening between the pair and they 552 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: may no longer be together. I have seen the rumors 553 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: doing the rounds on Tattle, and it seems like when 554 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: something like this happens, a lot of people start coming 555 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: out of the woodwork and throwing even more mud. Yeah, 556 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: that's right now. Just getting back to the end of 557 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: this apology, and as most influencers do, Ell then lay 558 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: out the next steps, she said she was going to 559 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: take some time offline to further reflect on everything that 560 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: has happened and to process the situation. Con also issued 561 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: a lengthy apology on Instagram, saying that although the tweets 562 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: were released ten years ago, the language used has a 563 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: timeless pain and a pain that he won't ever truly feel. 564 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: He finished off the post by saying he promised to 565 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: be a better person. Sophie, what did you think of 566 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: this apology? Well, Lle did seem very distracted in the 567 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: video and quite unsure of what she was saying. I 568 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: did notice that her eyes kept darting around the room, 569 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: and after each sentence, there was an obvious cut in 570 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 1: the video, and it seemed to me as though she 571 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: was clearly reading off an apology that had been written 572 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: by a PR firm, but also trying to make it 573 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: sound quite genuine, as if she wasn't in fact reading now. 574 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: Many followers thought that this video lacked any emotion, as 575 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: she didn't break down in tears. However, I feel if 576 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: she had cried, the perception would have been that she 577 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,479 Speaker 1: was trying to make people feel sorry for her and 578 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: trying to gain sympathy instead of being genuinely sorry to 579 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: the communities that she has hur and offended by these tweets. Yeah, 580 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: I think making this secondary apology in video needed to 581 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: be done, because, let's be honest, the first one was 582 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: absolute garbage. However, it's just awkward that she's had to 583 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: do it again, and I feel like it's really hard 584 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: to look authentic in apology video, particularly considering the mainstream 585 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: media attention this is received, because everyone's going to be 586 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: picking it apart, and obviously she's going to say the 587 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: right things because it's quite clear once it's hit this 588 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: magnitude that you are going to get professionals involved. So 589 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: there was no way that this apology wasn't going to 590 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: hit the right notes. How it has. However, I'm kind 591 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: of getting sick of all these influencer apologies and them 592 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: saying that they're going to do better and do this, 593 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: and that, I mean, there will become a point where 594 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: people will need to move on. One of our group members, Gabriel, 595 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: made a very good point and he said that racism 596 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: doesn't just appear out of nowhere. It's always a concert 597 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: quens of the messaging and institutions putting it into the public. 598 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: And as these horrendous tweets were made when Elle was 599 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: just fifteen, we do have to consider what sort of 600 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: home life Elle was growing up in. You know, were 601 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: these comments being made on a daily basis by her parents. Now, 602 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: by saying this, in no way am I trying to 603 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: excuse these comments, but it is interesting to consider the 604 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: consequences that these sort of harmful messages at an early 605 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: age have on systemic racism, homophobia, and also fat phobia. Oh, 606 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: it's definitely right. I just think it's staggering though that 607 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: someone that has a high profile social media career, wouldn't 608 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,479 Speaker 1: go through and moderate their Twitter feed like it just 609 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: makes no sense to me, particularly if you are saying 610 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: that you have grown so much and learned so much. 611 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you think if you are learning and growing, particularly 612 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: through what we experienced in twenty twenty with the Black 613 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: Lives Matters movement and also everything else that's been happening, 614 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: that you have enough time to go through and make 615 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: sure that you aren't putting anything out there on your platform, 616 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: even if it's from ten years ago that is offensive. 617 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: I think that's where things don't meet up now. Another 618 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: critique leveled at the apology was that l appeared to 619 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: be aiming it at her followers and fan base and 620 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: not the people who were directly affected by the harmful tweets. 621 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: What do you think about that, Kate? Well, I think 622 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: people could be correct, because, let's be honest, it's not 623 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: like she's going to be attracting any new fans anytime soon, 624 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: particularly those that she has personally offended. So I do 625 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: feel like it's probably smart of her in a way 626 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: to try and keep the followers that she does have 627 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: and try and smooth things over with them. Of course, 628 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: this doesn't work if you're trying to deliver a genuine 629 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: and apology. Though now Forum Tattle Life have been on 630 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: the front foot. They have been very proactive in contacting 631 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the brands that Elle has worked with 632 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: to let them know about the recent indiscretion, and according 633 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: to them, these are the brands who have dropped l 634 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: So it includes Bath Country, Pets and Spa foot Where, 635 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: Natural Baby Shower Company, My Protein, Thornton's Beauty Works and 636 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: Baby Zen. And interestingly, ellen CON's profiles have also disappeared 637 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: from their talent management company website, Gleam Futures, So I 638 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: do wonder whether it was their manager who had been 639 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: helping them out with the apology, or in fact they 640 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: have had to seek professional help from an external PR firm. 641 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: I am really interested to see how this plays out. 642 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: I do think it will be a case of ellen 643 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: Conn go quiet online for a couple of months and 644 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: then come back and try and sweep everything under the carpet. 645 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: Here's a special look at what promises to be one 646 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: of the most dramatic and emotional finales ever. Former bachelorette 647 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: Brook Blurton says she was blindsided by David's decision to 648 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: publicly announce their split. The dramatic breakup is playing out online, 649 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: with the pair now on following each other from Instagram 650 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: and former contestants weighing in Sophie, what's been going on? Yeah, Kate, 651 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: It's been a couple of dramatic weeks for Brooklyne. 652 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 3: Now. 653 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: She says that she was shocked after David publicly announced 654 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: the pair had called it quits on Sunday. Brooke said 655 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: that David did so without her knowledge. Now On Monday, 656 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: David shared an Instagram story saying, starting the new year 657 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: off with an end to a chapter and hopefully the 658 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: beginning of another. Unfortunately, Brooke and I have parted ways. 659 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: While we genuinely thought we were each other's person, things 660 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: change and that's okay. Please respect our privacy and that 661 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we are both just 662 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: people with feelings. Now, it's safe to say everyone was 663 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: shocked by this statement from David, but things turned quite 664 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: chaotic and hysterical online when Brooke released a follow up statement. Now, 665 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: she wrote on Instagram, I just woke up to the news. 666 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: It was definitely agreed to part ways. I just wanted 667 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: to do it privately, amicably and respectfully. This is not 668 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: how and what I expected to be doing right now. 669 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: So as you can imagine, this is all a lot. 670 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: You will have your judgments and have your say, but 671 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 1: there is a lot going on in my wor world 672 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: and D's of course, so I again just ask you 673 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: to be kind. We are human. I really do hope 674 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: you respect some part of what privacy we do have 675 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: right now, because, like I said, this was a surprise 676 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: to wake up to just as much as it was 677 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: for you guys. What do you make of these statements? Kate? Well, 678 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: I think something has happened that we're all not privy too. 679 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: Because you don't agree to amicably part ways and then 680 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 1: suddenly someone does the dirty and releases it before you. 681 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: There's obviously something going on that we don't know about it, 682 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: and obviously that's okay because it's private. However, I just 683 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: feel like people need to put their phones down and 684 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: stop putting it out into the public arena. I mean, 685 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: I know they met on the Bachelorette, but I feel 686 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: like at the moment, there's been a lot of controversy 687 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: surrounding Brook and unfortunately it's making a lot of people 688 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: see her in a different light. And I don't think 689 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: that's particularly fair because you've got to understand that she 690 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: has been thrust into the spotlight. Yes, she's been on 691 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: a couple of series of The Bachelor and Bachelor and 692 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: Paradise before, but she's been put onto this big platform 693 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: as being the Bachelorette, the first first Nation's Bachelorette, as 694 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: well as of course being pan sexual. So it's been 695 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: a lot for Brook and she's had a lot of 696 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: pressure on her shoulders to represent a lot of different 697 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: minority groups, and I think unfortunately it's unfolded in a 698 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: way where people are now focusing on all of these 699 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: dramas and she's having to defend herself and things obviously 700 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: don't come out really great on Instagram story. I think 701 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: we all feel so blindsided and let down by this 702 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: because their relationship seemed to be going so well online. 703 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: Isn't that just Instagram for you? Pretty much? Well, we 704 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: saw David, who is originally from Brisbane, reportedly put his 705 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: house on the market and also move his business over 706 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: to Melbourne to be with Brook. We also saw so 707 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: many sappy Instagram posts. So David posted a photo with 708 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: Brook on the twenty seventh of December so just days 709 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: before announcing the breakup, and wrote missing these two, referring 710 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: to her and her dog. On December ten, he also 711 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: shared a selfie with Brooks saying how did I get 712 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: so lucky? And just two days before the breakup announcement. 713 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: He also wrote a comment under brooks TikTok video saying, 714 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: looking forward to twenty twenty two, So as you say, Kate, 715 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: I feel like something has blown up over this New 716 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,879 Speaker 1: Year's break that we're all not privy too, because it's 717 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: just gone down so quickly and so rapidly. I feel 718 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: like we all can't make sense of it right now. Now. 719 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: In a bit of a twist of events, brook and 720 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: David have actually unfollowed each other on social media, so 721 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: it does appear that this breakup is not amicable at all. 722 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: Brook has also wiped all the recent photos of her 723 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: and David from an Instagram page, only leaving up official 724 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: photos from the Bachelorette, with the finale only airing five 725 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: weeks ago, so it was a very short Bachelorette relationship now. 726 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: On Wednesday, David posted a photo saying he was putting 727 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: on a brave face in the wake of the split, 728 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: writing that he was back home with his loved ones, 729 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: and interestingly, Brooks runner up Jamie Lee commented on the 730 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: photo saying, you've got this with a little love heart emoji. 731 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: I feel like that speaks volumes, doesn't it. Well. I 732 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: think that's all we have time for today. Thank you 733 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: so much for joining us for today's episode and if 734 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: you have enjoyed it, could you please make sure you 735 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: are subscribed on Spotify or Apple Podcasts And if you 736 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: do want to join in on the conversation, head over 737 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: to our Facebook community, which is Outspoken the podcast community. 738 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: Also give us a follow on Instagram at Outspoken Underscore 739 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: The Underscore Podcast