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Speaker 1: Already and this this is the Daily Off. This is

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Speaker 1: the Daily ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday, the seventh

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Speaker 1: of May. I'm Billy FitzSimons.

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Speaker 2: I'm Zara Seidler.

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Speaker 1: We are taking a break from our election coverage today

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Speaker 1: to update you on another event that you've probably been

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Speaker 1: hearing a lot about in the headlines, the mushroom trial.

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Speaker 1: In case you missed it, the murder trial of a

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Speaker 1: woman accused of killing three people by serving them poisonous

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Speaker 1: mushrooms is underway in Victoria's Supreme Court. Aaron Pattison was

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Speaker 1: charged with murder after three people died following a meal

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Speaker 1: at her home in July twenty twenty three. She pleaded

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Speaker 1: not guilty, and so now we are in the middle

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Speaker 1: of a six week trial. On today's podcast, we're getting

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Speaker 1: you up to speed with the details of the case.

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Speaker 3: Billy, I remember when this story first broke a couple

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Speaker 3: of years ago, it was absolutely everywhere. I think it

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Speaker 3: was just such a unique story and there were so

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Speaker 3: many elements that just defied logic really that it was

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Speaker 3: all anyone was talking about. But as you said, it

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Speaker 3: has been two years since the incident took place. So

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Speaker 3: can you just give everyone a really quick recap of

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Speaker 3: what happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Before I tell you what happened, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: take you through kind of who the main characters are

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Speaker 1: because there are so many different details in twists and turns,

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Speaker 1: so I'll just give you a very brief overview. So,

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Speaker 1: the first person, who I think is probably the most

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Speaker 1: important person you need to know about to understand this

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Speaker 1: is Aaron Pattison. She is fifty, she is a mum

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Speaker 1: of two, and she's the person who is accused of

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Speaker 1: these murders and who is currently standing trial now. She

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Speaker 1: was married to a man named Simon Patterson, and he's

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Speaker 1: the father of their two children. They married in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and seven split in twenty fifteen, but they never divorced.

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Speaker 1: They were just estranged, and they by all accounts, had

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Speaker 1: they pretty much had a quite good relationship. And Simon

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Speaker 1: didn't attend the lunch, which is kind of at the

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Speaker 1: center of all of these allegations, but it was his

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Speaker 1: relatives who did attend the lunch, and three of them

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Speaker 1: died and one fell critically ill. He was invited to

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Speaker 1: the lunch, but he didn't attend. He actually pulled out

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Speaker 1: the night before the lunch because he said that he

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Speaker 1: felt uncomfortable attending. Now to speak about the lunch that

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Speaker 1: I've referenced many times, so this is where the alleged

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Speaker 1: poisoning took place, and it all happened in July twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three. Now Erin invited her estranged husband's parents, so

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Speaker 1: her ex in laws. Their names are Don and Gale Patterson,

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Speaker 1: and she also invited her ex husband's auntie and uncle,

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Speaker 1: whose names are Heather and Ian Wilkinson. Now at this lunch,

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Speaker 1: she served them a beef Wellington. Now, following this meal,

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Speaker 1: all four guests became critically ill, and Don, Gale and

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Speaker 1: Heather died. So those are the two parents of Simon.

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Speaker 2: So her ex in laws, her ex in laws.

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Speaker 1: They both died, and then the ex husband's auntie also died.

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Speaker 1: The uncle was very ill. He spent many weeks in hospital.

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Speaker 2: That's Ian, right, that's it.

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Speaker 1: He survived, and so he was the sole survivor of

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Speaker 1: this lunch. Erin, who was eating at the lunch. She

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Speaker 1: charged with three counts of murder and one count of

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Speaker 2: Just quickly before we get into the trial.

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Speaker 3: I've read a lot of headlines about this, and one

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Speaker 3: one of the murder charges against Aaron being dropped. Can

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Speaker 3: you just talk me through that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that did happen, but it was actually in

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Speaker 1: but that was not in relation to this lunch.

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Speaker 3: So there was a separate murder charge, not in relation

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Speaker 3: but that has been dropped.

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Speaker 1: Now that has been dropped. It was dropped at the

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Speaker 2: About I always thought it was about the lunch.

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Speaker 1: No, okay, Yeah, we didn't really find out too many

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this trial is focusing on a lunch where

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Speaker 1: So mostly what we have learned so far is from

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Speaker 1: Erin's estranged husband, Simon. He was the first witness called

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Speaker 1: just quickly to recap. Simon was invited to the lunch

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Speaker 3: So a special meal being a direct quote from what

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Speaker 3: You mentioned there that she said or it's alleged that

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Speaker 2: What was that about? Do we have any more understanding

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Erin did tell her lunch guests that she

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Speaker 1: had been diagnosed with ovarian cancer. That wasn't true, though

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Speaker 3: Okay, So we underst and that she wanted to talk

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Speaker 2: What else have we learned from Simon's testimony?

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Speaker 1: So we also learned that Simon told the court he

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Speaker 3: I thought that they had died fairly quickly after and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And one thing that he mentioned is that his aunt, Heather,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Heather told Simon that Aaron served herself on

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Speaker 3: deep Dive after a quick message from our sponsor. Simon

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Speaker 3: wasn't at the lunch, so his testimony he's reflecting on

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Speaker 1: Yes, so he only entered the witness box yesterday and

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Speaker 1: he started off by kind of describing his relationship with Erin.

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Speaker 2: Because Aaron hasn't testified yet. No, okay understood.

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Speaker 1: He also confirmed what we were talking about before about

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's a six week trial. You said, we're

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Speaker 2: When will we hear from her.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually not sure when exactly we will hear from her,

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Speaker 1: It went quite viral and it actually made global headlines

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Speaker 4: I just can't fit them what has happened that Ian

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Speaker 4: I pray that he pulls through.

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Speaker 3: like everyone around the country was talking about this story NonStop.

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Speaker 2: Is it a judge or a jury.

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Speaker 1: It's a jury. It's a jury of fifteen. Read what

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Speaker 1: you're saying about it being a high profile case. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, really really interesting and certainly a story that has

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Speaker 3: you updates, certainly as Aaron herself begins to testify and

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Speaker 3: you said.

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Speaker 2: Hands down their decisions. So thank you for explaining that.

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