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Speaker 2: Yeah, eight am at am and.

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Speaker 1: Again just to give the full context, it's to get

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Speaker 1: over vaping, vaping addiction. So that was the purpose for

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Speaker 1: that I keep using. You're just high on life, like naturally.

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Speaker 2: If anyone's ever taken a hallucinogenic before, very similar to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And so you you're just quite

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Speaker 2: That's the way that LSD or psilocybin work, They literally

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Speaker 3: Did you say to what was the name of the

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Speaker 2: I probably should? Actually why not? Because she was so good?

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Speaker 3: Because it's worked as well.

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Speaker 1: Like you, you, I mean that you're vaping every minute

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Speaker 3: You've thrown it in the bin.

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Speaker 2: What's it? Wendy? Wendy was her name? Her name is

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Speaker 2: Wendy Jacobs. Actually she was and she was amazing.

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Speaker 3: She does google Wendy Jacobs.

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Speaker 2: I think so if you look up hypnotherapy Wendy Jacobs. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So can I just ask you when you're sitting down

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Speaker 1: At anyway, at what point did you say to Wendy, Hey, Wendy,

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Speaker 2: Wendo? So to answer that question, I kind of need

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Speaker 3: So not everyone gets this after glow floatingness that you're no.

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Speaker 2: Because essentially, what the way And I said this in

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Speaker 1: And so when you're saying freeddim like doing things because

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Speaker 2: They're silly. They're silly then and then yeah they're silly

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Speaker 3: You're all good things. You know, they're all good things.

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Speaker 2: Every other commitment that I've felt that every other sort

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Speaker 1: totally fair enough, yea, which is totally over time.

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Speaker 2: Nice to come in here, you know, anchoring stuff to

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Speaker 1: Na, that's a need, my friend, we're in the want land.

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Speaker 2: Ice cream lord, ice cream lord, and get your ice

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