WEBVTT - F*ck your diet!! How to make eating easy with author Caroline Dooner 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:08.639 Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.040 your host, Georgie Stevenson. I am a lawyer, ten health coach, 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:16.840 social media influencer, wife and dog mum. On the Rise 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:22.639 and Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health, 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:26.439 relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.320 want to rise up to be the best version of themselves, 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:31.880 who have big dreams in who are willing to put 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:34.120 in the work to get there. I want to bring 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.920 you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself, 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:43.000 inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:59.080 Are you with me, girl friends, Let's rise and conquer. Hi, guys, 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.080 and welcome back to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. Today, 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.480 I have a very special guest for you, and her 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:09.080 name is Caroline Dona. Caroline writes funny self help for 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:12.280 chronic dietis and is the author of the book The 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.880 Fucket Diet. Before she became a full time writer and 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:19.839 mindfulness coach, she spent years as a performer trying really 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.800 hard to fit in a tiny slash beautiful category. She 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.200 also believed she was a food addict, and so she 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.120 dieted like it was her job and she hoped it 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.559 would help her meet her destiny, but all it did 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.520 was crush her soul and hurt her body. Now, she 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.280 runs a business called The Fucket Diet and writes about 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:42.400 our relationship to food and weight. She runs online workshops 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.720 and courses and shares cutting edge science on weight, health 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.080 and metabolism. She believes that anyone can heal from food 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.960 obsession and that the cure lies in the last place 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:56.200 we thought, eating and trusting our bodies. Today, we chat 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.560 about the science behind why diets don't work, how to 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:03.200 rebuild your relationship with food, how to conquer binge eating, 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:07.000 and the health of every size movement. When we recorded 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:11.959 this interview, it was actually before Caroline's book went live, 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:16.400 like it was available, and since then it is now 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:20.120 available and I bought it myself and I read it 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.360 in like a week. Well, I listened to it. I 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.920 bought the audio book, and guys, it is one of 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.040 the best self help diet sort of books that I 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:35.000 have ever read and consumed, and I just cannot recommend 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:39.640 it enough. If you struggle with a relationship to food 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.880 and your body and dieting and all that stuff. Caroline 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.400 is so funny and she breaks it down in a 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.400 really good way. But it's also very science based, so 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:54.000 I could not recommend it enough. Okay, now let's get 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:58.440 into the interview. Hi Caroline, how are you today? 0:02:58.480 --> 0:02:58.760 Good? 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:00.760 How are you Georgia? 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.520 I'm really good. Thank you, thank you so much for 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:04.480 coming on the show. 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.639 I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to get into it. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.160 It's always fun to talk to people who get it 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:11.840 and who I'm not convincing. 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.959 So let's get straight into it. Before we get into 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.079 all the goodness. As this is the Rise in Conka podcast, 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.200 I want to ask you what is one thing, big 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.040 or small that you are rising up and conquering this week. 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:29.080 This is going to sound a little counterintuitive, but for me, 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:36.160 if I do not go to sleep at a good hour, 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.920 for me, if I mess up that night sleep schedule, 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.960 I mean it's like nighted not you know, no pun intended, 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:42.480 but it is. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.080 I'm like a totally different person if I get a 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.800 good eight hour hours of sleep compared to you know, 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:50.800 I don't do well. 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:55.680 I'm much less than that. I'm not my kindest best self. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:00.560 So I am rising and conquering good sleep habits and 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:04.680 actually getting in bed at a reasonable hour and sleeping 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.960 rising and conquering sleep so I can rise and conquer 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:08.760 other things. 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:10.200 I love that. 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.280 It's so simple but so important. Do you have like 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.480 a nighttime routine which helps you get to sleep or. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.800 I don't really, I'm not good with the phone. I'm 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.120 still really I'm not good with the phone. 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.040 But if I if it's a weak. 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:32.119 Night and I am in bed by ten forty five, 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:33.960 like that's my with all my friends, I'm like. 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:34.800 Sorry, it's my curfew. 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.600 I have to turn off my phone now and I 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.640 don't have to fall asleep right then. But if I 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.720 just need to like start the because I can't just 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.560 hit the pillow and fall asleep, I need like to 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.760 lie there for a little bit and decompress. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.919 So I just have my my curfew. And I don't. 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.159 Always, you know, I don't always do it, but I 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.720 really do feel it. So I'm like, okay, guys, sorry, friends, 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.560 I need my curfew again. No texting ten forty five. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:00.960 No. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.400 I love that you need to have that in place, 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:04.400 So that's good. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.839 Yeah, it makes a huge difference, huge difference. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:09.520 So let's get into it. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:13.600 So as a big advocator for like ditching diet culture 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.240 and getting back in tune with your body and all 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.400 that sort of thing. I'm probably one of your biggest fans, 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:25.000 and I adore your message, and so I want you 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:29.279 to tell the listeners what is the fucket diet? 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:31.560 And how did it come about? 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.479 So the fucking diet is exactly what it sounds like. 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:39.760 It is an anti diet, though some people are confused and. 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:39.680 They think that. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.560 They're like, oh, is the fucking diet like when you 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.320 mess up your diet and then you're like fuck it. It's like, 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.200 well that works because it still brings you know, like 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.040 people who feel that way still I think I'm talking 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:56.000 to them. But my fuck it mentality came after ten 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.880 years of chronic dieting. Essentially, I was I thought I 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.480 was a food addict. I thought I was obsessed with food. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.760 I thought that that was my problem, and I was 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.840 dieting trying to get that under control and trying to 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:11.120 heal my food addiction. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:12.719 So many diet it's so weird. 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.680 So many diets have this this weird promise that if 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:20.200 you stick to the diet perfectly, it'll heal your cravings. 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:25.680 Have you ever heard that it's like like long enough, yes, 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.039 one per exactly if you do it long enough, and 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.320 if you do it like with some things, like with 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:33.320 when I was a raw vegan, it was all about 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.520 like if you do if you're one hundred percent raw vegan, 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:40.599 you will heal everything and you won't crave. 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.520 Cooked food together. It was so like such a cult. 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:43.279 It was so weird. 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:49.160 But it's that sort of the cultural dialogue around our 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.479 hunger and our cravings and food and our bodies. We 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.880 believe that there is something wrong with us, and if 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.920 we don't constantly control it, then we're going to spin 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.440 out of control. And it makes sense too, because that 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:06.400 is what we experience. For anyone who's listening who has 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:10.040 gone on many diets, you begin to feel more and 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.200 more and more out of control with food. And for me, 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.560 I couldn't put it together for the longest time, and 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.320 so many of us can't because the whole culture is 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.000 confused about it. But I believed I am a food addict. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.080 Look at how much I'm binging, Look at how much 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.200 I could eat. I'm so hungry all the time. What 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:28.000 is wrong with me? 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:32.239 I need to diet harder, I need to diet better. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.800 Yeah, it's like this vicious cycle. 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.400 It is, it is, and yet and we don't realize 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.640 that we're perpetuating it with what we think is the cure, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.360 and it's just making everything worse and worse. And so 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.760 when we say, like, you know, I really have no 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.240 control of the food I have to diet. That's what 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.120 we've experienced, we really think that that's true. And it 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:57.240 seems so scary to let ourselves go there because we're 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.080 afraid that we'll never come back from it. But the 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.200 fuck a diet for me was after ten years of 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:07.840 chronic dieting, and then even interspersed in there, I thought 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.960 that I was intuitive eating At times, I was like, 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:11.000 you know what, I'm just going to listen to my 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:12.880 body really really really really well and. 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:13.880 Never eat too much. 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.680 And like it was this kind of like diet obsessive 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:21.200 version of intuitive eating. I turned it into a diet. 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.080 I thought that the only reason that anyone would ever 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.080 write a book about eating was for the purpose of 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.280 eating less. So even if the book was give you know, 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.559 the book does give good advice, I couldn't hear it. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:33.400 I just couldn't. 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.200 And I think a lot of people do a similar 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.160 thing where they're like, Okay, this is a great idea. 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.120 I'll eat intuitively and make sure I never eat too 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.600 much and stay really skinny. And that's still a diet. 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:46.840 You know, we're still kind of in that weird restricted. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.480 I was just going to say, it's so funny you 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.080 say that, because, like I was telling you before, I 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.240 have an ebook that is all about sort of you know, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.200 ditching diet culture intuitive eating. And it's so funny because 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.719 one of the most sast questions I get with it 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.720 is is okay, cool, so I can get this a book, 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.960 I can start intuitive eating And how can I intuitive 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:06.920 eat and lose weight? 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:07.360 Yeah? 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:12.000 And you're missing the point here, I know, I know. 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:16.800 But it's like the logical next step, yeah for diet ors. 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.640 So like, okay, I understand that dieting isn't helping me. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.640 I understand these rules are kind of messing up my 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:28.000 own hunger fullness. So how can I become perfect at 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:33.000 hunger and fullness and you know, control my weight? And really, 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.600 there are so many myths about health and weight and 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.280 food and calories and our appetites and trusting our appetite 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:45.200 and this is really what the fucket diet became because 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:49.280 my moment of fuck it, I am insane around food, 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:50.120 I am miserable. 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.640 I only think about food. I'm starving all of the time. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:57.400 I just binged on disgusting paleo gross like I'm calling 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.400 them cupcakes but they taste like chalk, Like what. 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:02.520 Am I doing? I've been doing this for ten years. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.520 And the thing that kind of flipped it for me 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.240 is I was trying to be paleo at the time. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.600 And this is over seven years ago at this point, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.400 but it was at the end of my like ten 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:18.440 year long madness with food, going back and forth and dieting, 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.520 the binging to dieting and bingeting, thinking I was intuitive 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:21.240 eating and going. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:22.280 On another diet. 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:27.280 I started reading people reading from people in the paleo 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.280 community or even kind of like the ex paleo community, 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:35.240 saying that going low carb messed up their hormones and 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:40.520 messed up their metabolism. And I just remember that was 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.880 a huge light bulb moment for me that I'd never 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:48.960 ever ever considered before that my dieting was doing the 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.760 exact opposite of what I thought it was doing and 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:54.880 what I was trying to do, you know, I was 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.080 trying to be healthy and that was the beginning for me. 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.480 And then there was my big my birthday binge on 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.280 like disgusting paleo cupcakes that I made for myself, but 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.320 I didn't put any sugar in the recipe because I 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.080 was going to make them even quote unquote healthier, and 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.520 I just like I had like a moment, like a 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:16.239 really I call it an epiphany because it was that intense, 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:19.520 but I just realized that I was going to keep 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:24.520 doing this forever unless I deliberately stepped out of the madness. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.000 I was. Also I went to. 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.320 School for a musical theater, so that was sort of 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.840 my way of being over fixated on being thin and 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.160 looking a certain way and feeling like it was really 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.600 important for my career and my destiny or whatever. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:40.840 And so I. 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.960 Deliberately decided to step away from that, at least for 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.640 a time, you know, back then, because I realized in 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.400 that moment that what I didn't realize when I tried 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.960 to be an intuitive eater the first time. I realized 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:58.319 that my obsession with being thin and controlling my weight 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:04.800 was the core of the problem. And I knew that 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.600 I had to, like emotionally and physically let that go 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.680 trust my body and that that was the only way 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:13.360 that I was going to get to a place where 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:20.360 I I truly let myself eat and really listen. 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.520 Why do you think we have this like obsession with 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:29.960 trying to fit into one tiny little category of beauty 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.480 and a way we should look. Like thinking about it, 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.880 it just makes me so annoyed and so crazy. But 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.040 it's so true that we all think we should be 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.560 the certain size and look this certain way. It's yeah, 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:44.599 it's crazy. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:49.360 Yeah it's crazy, but I understand why it's happening because 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.320 of all of this misinformation. Essentially, like we most of 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:59.120 us grow up believing that thin is healthy, the thinner 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:04.679 the better, the thinner healthier, and that weight or fatness 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:10.440 or being in a bigger body is inherently unhealthy, inherently 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.880 the cause of the person, like the person's fault, and 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.600 inherently ugly. That's what we are top, you know. And 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.120 the more we see that reinforce, the more we believe it. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:28.640 And you know, the health misinformation is really heartbreaking because 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:31.959 the study and this is something this is another huge 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:33.319 thing that opened up my eyes and I was like, 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.520 oh my god, this this is really helpful, Like this 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:41.199 is really really helpful to even further justify why obsessing 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:45.600 over being thin is not only like messed up in 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.240 an emotional way, in a feminist way, but in an. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:52.679 Actual health way. That body diversity is real, Like it 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:54.120 really is real. 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.760 And I follow this account now on Instagram called Historical 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:58.400 Fat People. 0:13:58.440 --> 0:13:59.440 I think that's what it's called. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.880 And it's just pictures of pictures and paintings of fat people, 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:08.200 like through time of them, of people being like, look, 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.160 we're talking about this as if it's this new thing 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:15.599 caused by like modern food. Fat people have always existed, 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.760 always existed. And the fascinating thing is that in the past, 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:25.320 the fatter people were believed to be healthier, which is 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.560 so opposite of what we think now. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:32.240 Like completely flipped now completely. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.800 Flipped, I mean I think, I mean it's healthier. 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.080 And they survived famines, you know, they were like the 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:44.120 sturdier stock, you know, and the you know, the people 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.920 who were really thin and couldn't keep on weight, they 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.960 were the ones that died in the famine. So and 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.120 it's not just that, it's that there are scientists who 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.160 are breaking down these studies and saying, look, they're not 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.080 accounting for this and that, and they're not talking about 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.160 the weight regain. They're not talking about about how a 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.440 year and two years down the line, everyone has gained 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.600 all the weight back and more and their health is 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.080 worse than it was before they even started. So focusing 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.560 on how diets quote unquote work and how it improves 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.880 your health in the super short term, it's really not 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:21.920 looking at the big picture and at how you can 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:27.160 improve your health without losing weight. I mean, not everybody can, 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.760 and the focus on weight is actually detrimental to our 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:35.520 health long term. And the people who focus on sustainable life, 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:40.440 affirming habits, intuitive eating, joyful movement that those people and 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:41.920 there have been studies that have done this, and I'm 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:43.440 going to recommend some books. I mean, it's in my 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.360 book too, but there are some really great books that 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.920 break down the science behind this. That women in larger 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:56.960 bodies who change their habits over time, all of their 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.360 health markers can improve even if their body does doesn't 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:06.520 lose weight. And it's just this fascinating, like turning everything 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.880 we believe about health and weight on its head and 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:14.120 understanding that, I mean, the amount of fatter people who 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:18.000 read my blog and who have followed me for a 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.960 while who've reached out and said, I, you know, have 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:24.520 been living on eight hundred calories a day for like 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.360 four years and I haven't lost weight, and my health 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:34.560 is horrible, and my doctors keep telling me that it's 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:39.280 because I'm fat, not because I am not eating any food. 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.520 And it's just like it's so heartbreaking because it's it's 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.960 gone so far that that's what, you know, our medical 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:52.160 community believes. That's it's really really fascinating and heartbreaking bias 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:57.040 towards towards weight and fatness. So all of this is 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.000 it's kind of hard to take in in the beginning. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.200 It's so opposite of what we have always believed and 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:07.800 always been told. And but it's really I think important 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:12.080 to begin to talk about this and educate people on this, 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.439 not only for ourselves but also for the way that 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.800 we view other people and the way you know, I 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:18.240 did it. 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.520 I used to believe that at. 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.800 Least I was doing some better than them, right, Like, 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:25.959 I'm doing a terrible job of my diet. I am 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:29.320 a glutton, I am obsessed with food, but at least 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.760 I'm able to get it back under control. Meanwhile, it's 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:36.199 just lucky I've yo yoed a lot, but I've always 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.720 yo yoed in a lower weight range, you know, because 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.720 that's just with my genetics. But yeah, it's crazy misinformation. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.399 I'm being really really like, I actually you sent me 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.640 some awesome questions and I like wrote it everything, and. 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.199 I am realizing that I didn't write it. I'm not 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.560 reading from it at all. I'm like going all over 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:56.360 the place right now. 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:00.199 But I love that question that and I couldn't agree more. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.719 That's something that I had to do and sort of 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.440 my process is obviously I live a lot on Instagram, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:10.760 but just following other accounts of different body sizes. Like 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:14.240 to me before that, all I followed was one type 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.640 of girl who was usually white, who was usually. 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:20.479 Usually blonde, because I'm blonde. 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:24.959 And for me it was so like, that's so simple 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.480 to just follow people with other body types. But for me, 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:32.119 I just never did it. So in my head, like 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.240 you said, like I just wasn't aware. And so that 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.320 even though that's quite small, that was like a big 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.359 step and something that I really encourage other people to 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.840 do as well, just so you realize that even though 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.680 in the media and society and all that sort of thing, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.959 I know, we kind of see one sort of body 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:54.720 type that that's not actually correct. If that makes sense. 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.280 You know, it confuses us because then we're just comparing 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:03.479 ourselves to that one tiny subset of people. 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:04.720 Exactly. 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.040 It's really healing to do what you did and do 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.040 what you're telling other people to do, is to follow 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.520 a diverse range of different people. 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.119 It's so healing, it really really is. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.600 And even for me, Like, one of the big things 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.240 I realize is all I used to follow on every 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.159 social media that I had was just like it was 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:30.439 always just about fitness and health. Whereas now I follow, 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.560 and of course I still do that and make sure 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.040 the accounts make me feel good and all that sort 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:38.080 of stuff, but I follow also just a wide range 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.439 of people doing other stuff, because I feel like you 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.960 can get in this rut where you think everyone's dieting 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:48.800 and everyone's focusing this, and like it's almost like you're 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.840 in this little tunnel, and then you realize that, no, 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.080 the world doesn't revolve around how you look, what diet 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:56.879 you're on, and all that sort of stuff. 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:01.000 Yes, but you have to do deliberate work to surround 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:06.520 yourself in an anti diet bubble because it also, you know, 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:10.040 it still is everywhere. It is on Instagram that you know, 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.399 diet culture and being obsessed with looks and weight, but 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.960 it's also everywhere. I mean, it's our you know, our 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.760 families talk that way, our friends talk that way, random 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:22.480 people in the cafe talk that way. 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:24.160 And I do think. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.200 That it's beginning to change in the media a little 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.919 tiny bit, and I think that that's great, and I 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.920 think that there's obviously farther to go, but but it's 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.160 still kind of like, you know, diet culture still rules 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:37.560 the day. 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:41.320 So I think also, like you said, a kind of 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:45.879 shift I'm noticing is just people being aware, which I 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.359 kind of feel like is the first step. Like I 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.440 feel like there's just so many people who aren't even 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.720 aware what diet culture is sort of thing like that, 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:57.760 which is crazy, But it's great that people like we're 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:01.200 putting out this message and then people start thinking about 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.399 about this sort of thing and they can start to 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:07.000 sort of slowly shift and change the ways and that 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.239 sort of thing. But I wanted to switch gears and 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.040 I wanted to ask you about something because this is 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.280 something I figured out from myself, from my own behavior, 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.679 and I just find it so interesting and it's just 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.800 so backwards. But I wanted you to explain to the audience, 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:27.639 like how dieteen actually makes us more fixated on food. 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:33.280 Yes, it's so fascinating. Again, it's this like complete one 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:38.520 eedy right. So it's very chemical, actually restricting our food 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.480 even just a little bit, even just restricting like a 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:45.840 teeny bit less than what we need to run our 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:50.160 whole body. It raises our grellin, which is the hunger hormone, 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.800 and it also raises our stress hormones to keep us going, 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:55.400 you know, because we don't actually have enough fuel. 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:56.880 We're kind of running on stress hormones. 0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:03.159 But the hunger hormone grellin raise lowers our metabolism and 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:08.600 actually wires our brains to constantly think about food. And 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.080 it actually so our hunger hormone is high, which means 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:16.119 that we're hungrier and our brain is actually fixating on food. 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:17.960 And so then we think, oh my god, what's wrong 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.240 with me? I have all these cravings like I need 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:23.360