1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: I just gave the commencement speech at my alma manor, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: which was absolutely terrifying, and it was the whole thing, 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: all of the thoughts we've just talked about. I was like, 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: why am I Why have they asked me to be here? 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: No one's going to even know who I am? Like 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: what am I doing? 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: Why am I giving this speech? 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: And you know, interesting, it was different because I had 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: to sit up on the stage for quite a while 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: before it got to me giving the speech, So it 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: wasn't like I was backstage like getting to pace around. 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: I was just I was like on stage with everyone 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: while the rest of the commencement ceremony went on, waiting 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: to do my thing. 15 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 3: And I think it I think at that point it 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: just becomes sort of like an internal like like breathing. 17 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: And like focusing inward, like a little like talk like okay, 18 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: we got this here ago, like this is fine, like 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: just you can do this, kind of like a little 20 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: inner pep talk. 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 2: I mean, that's at least what I. 22 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: Did for that. 23 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 4: Welcome to How I Work, a show about the tactics 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 4: used by leading innovators to get so much out of 25 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 4: their day. I'm your host, doctor Amantha Invera. I'm an 26 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 4: organizational psychologist, the founder of innovation consultancy Inventium, and I'm 27 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 4: obsessed with finding ways to optimize my work day. My 28 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 4: guest today is Abby Jacobson. Abby is the co creator, writer, director, 29 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 4: and executive producer and star of the critically acclaimed Comedy 30 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 4: Central show broad City with Atlanta Glazer, and this is 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 4: how I first became familiar with her work. So I 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 4: am a hardcore fan of broad City and would go 33 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 4: so fast to say that I think it's the funniest 34 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 4: show on TV right now, although it has recently wrapped 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 4: its fifth and final season, which is very sad. Seriously, though, 36 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 4: if you have not watched broad City or have no 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 4: idea what I'm talking of, it should seriously check it 38 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 4: out now. Aside from broad City, Abby has done a 39 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 4: stack of things ranging from voicing the character Bean in 40 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 4: Netflix's series Disenchantment by Matt Grodig, hosting the podcast A 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 4: Piece of Work with WNYC and MoMA in which she 42 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 4: discusses modern and contemporary art. And she's also written and 43 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 4: illustrated a stack of New York Times best selling books, 44 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 4: ranging from I Might Regret This, which is a memoir 45 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 4: style collection of essays who illustrated book, Carry This Book, 46 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 4: and two coloring books called Color This Book New York 47 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 4: City and Color This Book San Francisco. So I was 48 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 4: very excited and also very nervous to get the chance 49 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 4: to chat with Abby, someone who I have watched on 50 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 4: TV for five seasons of Broad City. And I think 51 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 4: you'll find this a really honest chat with someone who 52 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 4: is now in an interesting space in her life, having 53 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 4: wrapped Broad City, which she literally worked on for the 54 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 4: last ten years of her life, and is now exploring 55 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 4: a bunch of other creative pro which makes for an 56 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 4: exciting but also pretty stressful time. And I think if 57 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 4: you've ever been between jobs or if you're a freelancer, 58 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 4: you'll be able to relate to a lot of what 59 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 4: Abby says. And also if you've ever thought about getting 60 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 4: a pet, I think you'll find it fascinating how Abby 61 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 4: describes the impact of getting a dog and what this 62 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 4: has done to her headspace. So on that note, over 63 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 4: to Abby to hear about how she works. Now, I 64 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 4: want to start with looking at the creative process, because 65 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 4: you do a lot of different things. You write, you draw, edit, 66 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 4: you produce, you perform and I want to know which 67 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 4: of those parts of the process do you find most challenging. 68 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: It would definitely be the writing part, I think, and 69 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: it's also the most satisfying part when it's finished for me, 70 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: I think, because in that part of my process, it's 71 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: the creating, that's the full creation, that's the beginning, that's 72 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: like starting with nothing. 73 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense. And do you have different routines 74 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 4: or rituals that you use for your writing? And I guess, 75 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 4: like depending on the type of writing that you're doing 76 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 4: as well, whether it's a book or a script, what 77 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 4: does that look like. 78 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely varies, and it varies even within like 79 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,239 Speaker 1: the script world, because sometimes you know, like for Broad City, 80 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: we were on such a schedule, So deadlines for me 81 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: are extremely helpful. And when I'm working on a show, 82 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, there are these ingrained deadlines within that process 83 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: because you have to send the you have to send 84 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: various drafts to the network, and there's just like a 85 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: very structured process to it, which I find very helpful. 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: And then when I'm working on a script alone, it's 87 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: very difficult to keep myself to my own deadlines. And 88 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: that was sort of the process with the book. The 89 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: writing my last book, I might regret this was primarily essays, 90 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: and the book before that was drawings, and I guess 91 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: the process is still the same where I have this 92 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: long looming deadline and that is so scary because there's 93 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: so many mini deadlines in between there that I have 94 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: to figure out a way to hold myself accountable. So 95 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: sometimes it's getting a friend to to be like, I 96 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: am going to send you this, you know by this time, 97 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: and you know, hold me accountable because there's there's hundreds 98 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: of deadlines but before the book is due, you know, 99 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: so a lot of it for me is list making, 100 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: and you know, getting to cross things off of a 101 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: list for myself is so extremely satisfying that I've become 102 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: like addicted to that. 103 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 4: I like that idea of telling a friend that you've 104 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 4: got I guess creating a false deadline with a friend. 105 00:05:58,600 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 4: What made you start doing that? 106 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: I think that it naturally organically started with Alana because 107 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: we work together and work very well together, and you know, 108 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: when we write, we. 109 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: Go off to script on our scripts. 110 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: We would write act one together and then we would 111 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: go off and each take an act and then come back. 112 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: And so there was just like. 113 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: In already in the process thing of us having to 114 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: come back and we like had to be accountable because 115 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: if one of us didn't have it, it'd be like 116 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: what's going on here? But like we never did that 117 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: because we would never want to let the other person. 118 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: Down in that way. 119 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: And I don't always do it. And when I do 120 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: do that, it's with other people that work in similar ways, 121 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,119 Speaker 1: so they understand those deadlines. So usually it's another writer, 122 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: or it's a Lana or just someone else that you 123 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: know at some point they can use me for that 124 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: as well. 125 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: Also, it's a little bit out. 126 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: Of desperation to be honest, where it's like when I 127 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: was writing the last book, there was a point where 128 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: I was like, listen to my friend Jen. I was like, listen, 129 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: if I don't finish this essay by tomorrow night, like 130 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: you can't be friends with me anymore. So like for real, 131 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: like you cannot speak to me, and so like I 132 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: would like pretend like that was the. 133 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: Reality if I didn't finish it. 134 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: It's mostly when I'm speaking in like first draft, where 135 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm like spewing out something, not in like last draft. 136 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 4: How do you overcome those moments where you feel stuck, 137 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 4: like where it's you know, writer's block or some kind 138 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: of equivalent. Do you have strategies to get yourself unstuck? 139 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I wish I had some sort of 140 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: revolutionary thing. I am someone who listens to these kinds 141 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: of stories and process stories that other creatives do to 142 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: try and figure out the best way for myself. I 143 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: think for me, I'm a little not clinically diagnosed, but 144 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm a little add with my work habits. So I 145 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: usually will move over to something else for a bait 146 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: to keep it like creatively going if I'm stuck on something, 147 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: and that's really just a productive procrastination. But I, especially 148 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: when I'm in New York, I walk a lot. I 149 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: will just like go out for a walk around the 150 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: city and hope that by the time I come back, 151 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: I will, you know, have figured it out, or have 152 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: figured out some sort of nugget of what I'm trying 153 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: to work. 154 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 2: On, or it depends on where I am. 155 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: But I have a problem sometimes working from home because 156 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: I get very easily distracted with mundane things around the house, 157 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: and so I'll go somewhere like a library or a 158 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: coffee shop or somewhere where I know I can work 159 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: on my computer or in my notebook and I won't 160 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: leave until I finish, Like I'm going there to do. 161 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: The thing, and I have to finish it there. 162 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: It's really these like psychological, like fake promises I kept 163 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: to keep with myself. 164 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 4: Like you're playing tricks on yourself. 165 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: West, I feel like I think that they're necessary. I don't. 166 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: I don't understand how, you know, especially when I'm we're 167 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: talking in the writing part of it. I don't understand 168 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: people that can just write every day for these hours. 169 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: I just can't. 170 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: I haven't figured that out yet. 171 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 4: I like the sound of going for these walks, like 172 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 4: when you're on the walk, and this might sound like 173 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 4: a weird question, are you are you listening to anything 174 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 4: or are you just walking in silence and just kind 175 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 4: of visually consuming what's going on around you. 176 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: It's a little bit of both. 177 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: I actually call it wolfing around because I I don't 178 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: know if there was at one point this was in 179 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: my book, but I don't know if it may it 180 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: made it. It's because I think Virginia Wolf did that, 181 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: and like in the In the Hours in that movie, 182 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: she's like, you know, Nicole Kidman is like real walking 183 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: really like kind of like focused and unfocused at the 184 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: same time around London or village in England where she lived, 185 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: and I think I also have read that she goes 186 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: and just walks when she when she needed to, and 187 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: so I internally call it like wolfing around and because 188 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: she's also extremely inspiring and in New York, I tend 189 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: to listen to more music when I'm walking around and 190 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: when I'm in LA because really the only place to 191 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: walk and the only place I really love to walk 192 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: here is in nature, which is sort of the opposite. 193 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: Of what I get to do in New York. 194 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: And also in New York, I find the city inspiring, 195 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: and in LA I find hiking really inspiring. And so 196 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: when I'm hiking, I don't listen to anything, but when 197 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: I'm in the city I do, or I do only 198 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: when the city sounds like get to be too much. 199 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 4: I've heard that you a self described workaholic. Is that 200 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 4: is that still how you refetted yourself? Sometimes I do. 201 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in a weird place right now where you know. 202 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: Broad City ended recently, and I have all these projects 203 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: going and they're all at different stages, but nothing is 204 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: concrete anymore, like you know, Broad City for you know, 205 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: we did five seasons, but that is about seven years. 206 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: And then I've been doing the web series for three years, 207 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: so I've been doing it for ten years. So that's 208 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: been like the thing in my life. Even if we 209 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: had three months on hiatus every now and then, that's 210 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: been a thing I've always been coming back to. So 211 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: right now, I'm I'm in this sort of untethered like 212 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: long slack rope of like working where I don't know 213 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: exactly which way I'm going to go, but I'm working 214 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: on a lot of different things, which allows me. 215 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: More time to wolf around. 216 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: But also it's a little more manic because there is 217 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: this underlying sense of anxiety. So I do find myself 218 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: thinking about different projects more and I just yeah, I 219 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: am still very much a workaholic. 220 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: It's my main thing. 221 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 4: How do you manage that when you're juggling lots of 222 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 4: different projects, presumably all creative projects, Like do you compatmentalize? 223 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 4: Do you almost schedule out time when you're going to 224 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 4: be working on each project? Like how does that work 225 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 4: in your world? 226 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: At the moment, I think I wish I was more 227 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: like that, where I could sort of sort of have 228 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: like a block schedule, like if you remember from like school, 229 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: like high school, where you have like a like these chunks. 230 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: But because I don't and I don't go into an office, 231 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: so I'm working from home right now, and so it's 232 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: sort of my day is sort of like I wake 233 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,359 Speaker 1: up and I work out or whatever, and then I 234 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: make a list of like what I need to accomplish 235 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: for that day, and that includes all of my projects, 236 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: and it's sort of like little baby steps for each project. 237 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: And I have a lot of these lists around. So 238 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: I have a notebook where I make the list in 239 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: the morning, and then I have a big whiteboard that 240 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: has all the projects listed, and then I sort of 241 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: have these like middle ground bigger bigger milestones I know 242 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: I need to hit in like the next coming days 243 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: or weeks, and a lot of that is based on 244 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: where each project is. So like today I have, you know, 245 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: if I have like a call about a script, that 246 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: will like ignite that project to like move forward, so 247 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: I I'll get like farther ahead with one and then 248 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: have to catch up with another. Yeah, it's different every day. 249 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: This is actually making me think about my process a 250 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: little bit. 251 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: I would love to be a little more strict and 252 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: like organized in that way. But it feels also like 253 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: it's working for me to be a little bit less. 254 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, I am actually liking being a little 255 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: more loose with it right now. 256 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it sounds like your processes are almost like 257 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 4: quite analog. Like I'm imagining your notebook with the things 258 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 4: that you're crossing off and your white would like, is 259 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 4: that by design that you do keep it fairly in 260 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 4: the analog world as opposed to the digital world. 261 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my calendar is very digital, but yeah, 262 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: I am pretty analog like. I like things to feel tangible, 263 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: and the physical crossing off of something is more important 264 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: than than I would have thought it would be. 265 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. 266 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: I think when you finish something, even if it's just 267 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: a crossing off of something, that's like a little celebration. 268 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: And I like to put the list on as many 269 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: places so I can cross off as many times as 270 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: I can. And writing stuff for me too is a 271 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: big I don't know, it like sinks into my brain 272 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: more if I write it physically. 273 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: I don't write a lot of things. I don't write 274 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: like scripts or essays long form. 275 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: But when I'm coming up with ideas and brainstorming that 276 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: is almost always on paper. 277 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 4: That's interesting. And I want to say, like, in this 278 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: busy schedule with lots of projects, do you do you 279 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 4: sort of try to carve out time to relax or 280 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 4: simply be bored? Because I find that with most worcoholics, 281 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 4: I know, those two things kind of just fall by 282 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 4: the wayside. What does that look like in your life? 283 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: Oh? 284 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I know I need to do that more. 285 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: It's interesting because again what I was saying before, how 286 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: I'm in this place all of a sudden where I 287 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: don't have this concrete thing, this concrete job. 288 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: I have like a lot of these mini jobs and I. 289 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: Don't know what will happen with them. And right now 290 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: is the time where I'm supposed to be like taking 291 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: a break, and I can't quite figure out how to 292 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: do that. I recently got a dog, and in the 293 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: past couple of weeks that has been, interestingly the thing 294 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: that has made me stop working as much and be present. 295 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: How sorry, how sid I like I wasn't on social 296 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: I haven't been on social media as much and unless 297 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: I like sort of have to be for something and 298 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just I'm always like going on 299 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: walks with him and just like be like hanging out 300 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: with him and being present and not focusing as much 301 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: on the anxiety of work, and then when I do work, 302 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm more efficient. 303 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I hope this. 304 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: Continues because it's I'm making it sound really nice. 305 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I guess that's. 306 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: Also maybe when people have kids or they're sort of 307 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: forced to be outside of their head all the time. 308 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 4: That sounds really lovely, like what the dogs brought into 309 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 4: your life. 310 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: I know, I'm like, I haven't really thought about it 311 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: that much, but yeah, I think because even when I'm 312 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: not actually writing something or sitting at the computer struggling 313 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: with something, I am doing it. 314 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 2: In my head all the time. 315 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: I think that that's like a big problem with a 316 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: lot of people where the efficiency is well, the time 317 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: that you sit at the computer isn't even the whole 318 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: time you're working on the project. You're like struggling with 319 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: it in your. 320 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: Mind all the time. 321 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: And my dog has allowed me to kind of take 322 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: a break from that or like I'm like I can't 323 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: even focus on it. 324 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's really nice. 325 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 4: That's good. And you mentioned that the having the dog 326 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 4: has maybe got you off social media or a fit, 327 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 4: and I wanted to ask, what's what's your relationship like 328 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 4: with social media? Like you've got a crazy number a 329 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 4: million Instagram followers, Like is social media a source of inspiration, 330 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 4: a distraction, something negative? What is it like in your life? 331 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I have a very love hate relationship with it, 332 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: because I would not have a career without it. Like 333 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: we made broad City as a web series and put 334 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: it out into the world on YouTube and then shared 335 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: it on all of the platforms we could find, and 336 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: not a lot of people watched it that way, but 337 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: it still was like the way that we put it 338 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: into the world. And so I will always have a 339 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: place in my heart for social media. 340 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 2: But now I have this like, really. 341 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't like it. I really don't. I feel like 342 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: I need to have it for my career. It's the 343 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: way I can share what I'm doing, and it's almost 344 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: it's necessary sometimes, like it's part of the job, where 345 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: like I am supposed to be sharing the thing, you know, 346 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: in my contract for things, because it's how people find 347 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 1: out about content. And I think that sometimes it is 348 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: a wonderful vehicle for sharing stories and knowing what's going 349 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: on in the world. But I think it's also terrifying 350 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: and I think it brings out the worst in people, 351 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: especially on Twitter. The anonymous commenting I really don't understand, 352 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: and it really makes me sad. And yeah, I constantly 353 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: want to be on it less. 354 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 4: Do you have almost like rules for yourself around how 355 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 4: to be on it less? Because it's you know, I 356 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 4: find like a lot of people have that intent these days, 357 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 4: but then obviously, you know, they've got attention engineers that 358 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 4: are making things as addictive as possible. Like how what's 359 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 4: your approach to actually using it and actually physically using 360 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 4: it less? 361 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I don't you. 362 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: I haven't been on Facebook for a couple of years, 363 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: and I am not on Twitter that often, and I 364 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: find lately I'm usually just on Twitter if I'm posting 365 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: about a project or if I if I have just 366 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: watched something or seen something that I want to share, 367 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: but I don't comment hardly. Ever, Like, every once in 368 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: a while I'll look on it and comment on like 369 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: a friend's thing, or I'll repost something that I think 370 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: is important or like hilarious, And on Instagram, I feel 371 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: the addiction way more because I do just scroll it. 372 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: But what I've done in the last couple of years 373 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: is I've followed I think I follow primarily friends, but 374 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: then primarily artists. 375 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: So I've. 376 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: Taken to following like galleries and museums and all these 377 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: up and coming and known artists. So when I'm looking, 378 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: I'm also looking at things that I'm wildly inspired by 379 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: all the time. And I really have been trying to 380 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: like just get to know more about the art world 381 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: and become more a part of it and know more 382 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: about it. And so at least if I'm going to 383 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: be on there, I'm looking at stuff that I'm really 384 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: interested in, and it's not just like whatever, like whatever 385 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: trash is out there. But then I also see my addiction, 386 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: Like what I just posted something today, which is just 387 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: like I just got these beautiful flowers and I was 388 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: sitting at my computer and like they all just like fell, 389 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: like all the pedals just like fell. And I was like, yep, 390 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: that's how That's how I'm feeling, beautiful flowers falling, And 391 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: so I just like like, why did I post that? 392 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: No idea? You know what I mean. 393 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: It's like this weird addiction, and I'm like looking at 394 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: it right now, looking at my like what I've actually 395 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: posted not on the stories, and it's mostly it's mostly. 396 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: All work stuff on purpose. 397 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: Mmmm yeah, I haven't really posted a lot that is 398 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: not related to a project. 399 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 4: I'd have to say in an interview that you felt 400 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 4: like back in Broad City and back in seasons one 401 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: and two, I think that you had a good case 402 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 4: of impostera syndrome, and I was curious. A lot of 403 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 4: people talk about impostera syndrome these days, and it's so common. 404 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: I was wondering for you, like, how did you transition 405 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 4: out of that? Or have you transitioned out of that? 406 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: I think it goes in and out where I feel 407 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: way more confident now in actually being good at what 408 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: I do. But then again, I'll be at a thing 409 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: like an event or a panel or something, and I'll 410 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: be taken completely right back there where I'm like, what 411 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: am I doing here? Why does anyone care what I 412 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: have to say about this topic? And or if I'm 413 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: like on a set, you know, I get I get 414 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: very nervous before performances or new things, and I while 415 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: that still is, you know, doubting myself and and you know, 416 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: feeling that like some I'm going to be like exposed 417 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: for not being good or or actually I think it's 418 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: good to have a little bit of that, is what 419 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Where I get I'm happy that I still 420 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: get very nervous even if I maybe shouldn't be, like 421 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: if I have nothing to be nervous about, like I 422 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: totally should be on this panel of writers, or I 423 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: should be giving a talk, you know, at this event. 424 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: Like if there ever was a day where I was like, yeah, 425 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: I fucking should be here, it's like, fuck you. I 426 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: don't want to be like that, Like I want to 427 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: always be looking at myself and questioning, you know, where 428 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: I am right now in my career and sort of 429 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: measuring like how far I've come and know that there's 430 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: still so much farther to go. So like, even if 431 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: I am really confident in what I'm doing right now 432 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: and the projects I'm working on, I still can be 433 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: so much better. 434 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: So there still is that. 435 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 4: I think that's really interesting that you kind of embrace 436 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 4: it when you're feeling that in pluster syndrome and that 437 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 4: nerves a good thing. I guess it says that you 438 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 4: know you care and also that you're not becoming this compleat, 439 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 4: arrogant monster. 440 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, I know those people, and I know 441 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: people that are like that, and I just I feel like, 442 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, if you're like that when you're alone by yourself, 443 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: I think all the time, I think that there's something wrong. 444 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: I think you need to kind of check yourself because 445 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: I listen. I I do want to be more kind 446 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: of outwardly confident. Sometimes I feel like I'm showing my 447 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: cards a little too much with my insecurities. 448 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: It changes every day for me. 449 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 4: I think I wanted to ask you. There's a couple 450 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 4: more questions. I'd heard that before doing a big scene 451 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 4: in broad City that you would shake hands with the 452 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 4: Lana and I found that such an interesting ritual, and 453 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 4: I was just wanting to know how did that start 454 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 4: and what purpose did that serve for you guys. 455 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it began. 456 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: We used to do broad City Live at the Upright 457 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: Citizens Brigade Theater when we were doing the web series, 458 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: so it was like a monthly show that we continued 459 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: on doing. I think when we had the first season 460 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: of the show and the TV version, I mean, and 461 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: it started there backstage again, we would both be very 462 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: nervous and we would sort of it was a moment 463 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: without we didn't say this was why, but it was 464 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: a moment to stop for a second, slow down and 465 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: connect shake hands right before we were walking out with 466 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: this sort of enthusiasm, Like there was always this like big, 467 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: like enthusiastic ball of energy before we would go out, 468 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,239 Speaker 1: and then we kept doing it. We did do it 469 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: before big scenes, but it was mostly before really big moments. 470 00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: So you know, any huge show we've done, like live event, 471 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: those are tend to be more scary because you're in 472 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: front of like thousands of people, and usually we're in 473 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: front of a set of our crew that we know 474 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: and love. So the big events were big handshake moments. 475 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: The I mean the big things like going and pitching 476 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: the show, going to meet with Amy Poehler before we 477 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: you know, asked her to come on to be an 478 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: executive producer, and then it would be you know, we 479 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: definitely did it before we shot the last. 480 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 2: Scene of the show. 481 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever had a thing like 482 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: that where it is like a without saying hey, let's connect, 483 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: it was like, let's connect and in that handshake acknowledge 484 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: everything We want to do right now and everything we've 485 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: done to get here. 486 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 4: That's so cool. And I was curious, do you like 487 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 4: you sort of spoken about how you know you still 488 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 4: get nervous, you know, for sitive, big performance occasions. Do 489 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 4: you have a version or something like that, an equivalent 490 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 4: that you do just with yourself to manage your own nerves, 491 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 4: like perhaps when you are working solo. 492 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: You know, I don't. 493 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: I have messed around with breathing. 494 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: I need to get better at breathing. Although I do 495 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 2: do it every day. I still also don't worry. But 496 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: I I just so. I just had this. 497 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: I just gave the commencement speech at my alma manor, 498 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: which was absolutely terrifying, and it was the whole thing, 499 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: all of the thoughts we've just talked about. I was like, 500 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: why am I? Why have they asked me to be here? 501 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: No one's going to even know who I am? Like, 502 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: what am I doing? Why am I giving this speech? 503 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: And you know, interesting, it was different because I had 504 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: to sit up on the stage for quite a while 505 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: before it got to me giving the speech. So it 506 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: wasn't like I was backstage like getting to pace around. 507 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 2: I was just I was like on stage with. 508 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: Everyone while the rest of the commencement ceremony went on 509 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: waiting to do my thing, and I think it. 510 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 3: I think at that point it just becomes sort of 511 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 3: like an internal like. 512 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: Like breathing and like focusing inward, like a little like 513 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: talk like okay, we got this, here we go, like 514 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: this is fine, like just you can do this, like 515 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: kind of like a little inner pep talk. I mean, 516 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: that's at least what I did for that the most 517 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: recent terrifying thing. 518 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 4: And look, my final question is for people that having 519 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 4: withdrawal from Broad City, not being on the air anymore 520 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 4: as I am having, how can people find you and 521 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 4: consume more of what you're doing now? 522 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, thank you anyone who is missing it, 523 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: I think that you could check out I think my 524 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: book I might regret this is definitely if you haven't 525 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: read it, it's it's it's more of my humor, but 526 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: there's a a large chapter is about the whole formation 527 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: of broad City and about Alan and my process and 528 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: how we work together and all that, and that would 529 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: be the biggest one. It's out right now and it's 530 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: also on audiobook and I read it and it comes 531 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: out on paperback in October and then I voice the 532 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: role of being on this show on Netflix called Disenchantment, 533 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: and there's a season that's out right now. The second 534 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: season comes out in September. 535 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 2: I have a couple other books. 536 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: There's an illustrated book called Carry This Book. I have 537 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: two coloring books called Color This Book, New York and 538 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: San Francisco. I have a podcast on WNYC with Museum 539 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: of Modern Art and it's called a Piece of Work. 540 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: And there's ten episodes where I'm talking about art and modern. 541 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 2: Art with a lot of my friends and curators. That's something. Yeah, 542 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: that's a bunch of stuff. 543 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 4: That's awesome. I'm going to link to all those in 544 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 4: the show notes. It's fantastic. Well, Abby, it's been an 545 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 4: absolute pleasure talking to you. 546 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: An absolute pleasure. I feel like I learned a lot 547 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: and I need to like improve some things in a 548 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: good way. Awesome. 549 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 4: Awesome like a therapy session. Now you work for me, Awesome. 550 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 4: We'll look have have a lovely afternoon in la And yeah, 551 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 4: thank you so much, Thank you so. 552 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: Much for having me. Really such a pleasure. 553 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 4: So that is it for today's show. I hope you 554 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 4: liked my chat with Abby and if you haven't seen 555 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 4: Broad City you're feeling a little bit inspired to check 556 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 4: it out. It is just hilarious, And if you are 557 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 4: enjoying how I work, I would love it if you 558 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 4: could leave a review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you 559 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 4: have listened to this episode. It is awesome hearing feedback 560 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 4: on the the shows that I spend so much time creating. 561 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 4: So thank you. If you've already left a review or 562 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 4: a star rating, you're awesome. And if you haven't, maybe 563 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 4: take five or ten seconds after this episode to do that. 564 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 4: It would be hugely appreciated. So that's it for today 565 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 4: and I'll see you next time.