1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: The concerns that people are feeling right now were clearly 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: identified overnight, when thousands of Alice Springs residents gathered to 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: voice their concerns over the rising crime rates, many supporting 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: calls for a class action against the Northern Territory Government 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: for what organizers have described as negligence. Now, Garth Thompson, 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: the organizer, said that the Northern Territory government had neglected 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: Alice Springs on a range of levels and he wants 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: to get the wheels in motion to soothe the government 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: for one point five billion dollars in compensation. And Garth, 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: the organizer of that meeting, joins me on the line 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: right now. 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Garth, Good morning, How are you 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: not too bad? 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: Garth? Two and a half thousand odd people turned up 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: last night, maybe even more, yeah. 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 3: Two and a half to three thousand that's been estimated. 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: Close to the three thousand. Locals came together last night 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: to stand as one and to show that we're not 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 3: going to sit back in longer and accept what is 20 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: soon as adequate for us to live in the conditions 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 3: that we have to deal with and the way that 22 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 3: people in town are treated and stuff. 23 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: Like that dos what made you organize the meeting, you know, 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: to try and bring the town together in the way 25 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: that you did last night. 26 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 3: To be honest with you, it's just out of pure frustration, 27 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: the length of time that people have had issues and 28 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 3: continual problems, the way that those problems have escalated over 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 3: the last twelve months, the concern of people in town 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: that are too scared to go into town shopping by themselves, 31 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: the concern to lead their homes unattended, that they'll be broken. 32 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: Into the fact that you walk through our mall that 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 3: should be vibrant and there's more closed buildings there than 34 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: there are open. And you go into the shopping center 35 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: at the end of the mall that should also be 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: vibrant and busy, and there's more closed shops in there 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: than there are open shops. Our town is just spiraling 38 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: backwards and out of control. The number of kids on 39 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 3: the street that don't have the welfare that they need 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 3: and that they deserve, and the direction in their life 41 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 3: that is just missing. And there are so many different 42 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: aspects to the way that our town is affected at 43 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: the moment. And the scary part is, and I'm grateful 44 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: that no one has done it yet, But no one 45 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: has taken actions into their own hands and destroyed their 46 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: own life in either chasing down a perpetrator that's been 47 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: in their house or defending themselves in a house again 48 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: someone trying to break in holding an axe or a machete. 49 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 3: The fact that it hasn't got to that point yet 50 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: is absolutely amazing. Because of what we've been dealing with. 51 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: There's not one single avenue to try and pinpoint and 52 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: speak about. The whole idea about our meeting last night 53 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: was to put our hand up and say we're standing 54 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: together and enough is enough. This government has neglected us 55 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 3: for far too long. Processes in place are evident that 56 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: the end product of all of those are on our 57 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 3: streets every month. Our livelihood is in danger of what 58 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: the town is just spiraling backwards. 59 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Darth, you're a local boy, aren't you. 60 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 2: How long have you lived in Alice Springs. 61 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: I've been here for forty four years, and you. 62 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: Know from what you are saying, and it is certainly 63 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: not the first time that I've heard it. In fact, 64 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: we've been hearing this a lot over the last year 65 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: or so. Things have well and truly spiraled over the 66 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: last year, particularly you know sort of the last six 67 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: months or so, you know, is that your take as 68 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: a business owner? 69 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: How many times have you been broken into? 70 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: We've been in business here for ten years. I couldn't 71 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: tell you the number. We've had five attempt to break in, 72 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: four windows smashed, a door destroyed, and another door handle 73 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: destroyed between Christmas Day and the end of the first 74 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: week of January. 75 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: So in that short period of time. 76 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: Yes, we had nine break ins last year and a 77 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: ram raid that destroyed the front half of our shop. 78 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 3: That was just last year, the first four and a 79 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: half years we were in business. That cost us eighty 80 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 3: four thousand dollars in outgoing costs for repairs, damage and 81 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: lost product. And I gave up counting after that that 82 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 3: We've done nearly six years of not even counting number. 83 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: I can accept what goes on here at the shop 84 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: because I have to turn off from that and I 85 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: have to let it go. It is far more. It 86 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: is far more. It's just it's far more damaging. The 87 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: people that are dealing with this in their own homes, 88 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: their own cars. They're being assaulted in town and verbally 89 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: abused because they haven't offered a smoke or they haven't 90 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 3: offered cash or there are so many things that go 91 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: on that are so so much more one on one 92 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: and directed at people personally, that people are scared and 93 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 3: it's not what our town is. That our town is 94 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: an amazing place and our government has neglected it to 95 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 3: the point that people are scared to be here. It's 96 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 3: being advertised nationally that do not come to our springs, 97 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: do not come to Central Australia, do not come to 98 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 3: the Northern Territory. It is out of control. We've just 99 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: lost the Australian Junior Motocross Championship from being healthier this 100 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: year and that normally runs anywhere from five to seven 101 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: hundred competitors and they're all kids, so that means that 102 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: that's the family's coming here. 103 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 104 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: We actually the town have just lost out on them. 105 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just talking to Silla. 106 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: We're just actually talking Tocilla not so long ago about that, 107 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: about ten minutes ago, fifteen minutes ago. And it is 108 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: really devastating. Like you said, it's a kid then that miss. 109 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 3: Out, the town misses out, and the processes that are 110 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: put in place and a run they cooled the town out, 111 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 3: and everyone thinks that it's exaggeration. The town was absolutely 112 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 3: cleared out of any of the three to four hundred 113 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: people that hang around in their twenty four hours a day. 114 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: They were cleared out instantly the day the Prime Minister 115 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: was going to be here. And that was the biggest 116 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 3: insult ever that our government could portray on any local 117 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: Ala Springs person. It was disgusting the whole idea of 118 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 3: last night's meeting and what we were set out to achieve. 119 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: And when I say, well, it wasn't a big group 120 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: of us it's been portrayed this morning as business owners 121 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 3: and authors, it wasn't. It was myself and my mother. 122 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: We worked out the background to it, We set up 123 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 3: the approach, we approached the convention center. I set the 124 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 3: profile of the meeting and what we were going to 125 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: speak about and everything else. It was opened to every 126 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: avenue person in town. 127 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: Talk me through, Talk me through. 128 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: You know, obviously you have now seen that the Northern 129 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: Territory governments neglected Ela Springs on a range of levels. 130 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: You want to get the wheels in motion to sue 131 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: the government for one point five billion dollars in compensation. 132 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: How do you like, how do you propose? Well, how 133 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: do you reckon you're going to get those wheels in motion. 134 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: Well, we've already started that last night in showing the 135 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: support the concern for our town and a number of 136 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: people that showed up. There's been reports already out that 137 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: it's only for business and stuff. It was publicized and 138 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: it was listed last night and it was spoken about YEP. 139 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: On the last census we had just under twelve thousand 140 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 3: rate paying addresses in Central or in other springs. We 141 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: have over two thousand registered businesses in Central Australia. We 142 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: have our sporting groups, community groups and organizations and stuff 143 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: like that. As a number, we picked fifth. We put 144 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: it at fifteen thousand points of compensation at one hundred 145 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 3: thousand dollars per point. That covers every address in town, 146 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 3: not the owners, that covers the occupants. So every household 147 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: and every business and every sporting organization is on our 148 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: list at the same value. The government set a precedent 149 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: when they paid out thirty thousand dollars per head to 150 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 3: the criminals the compensation on how they're treated when they 151 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: are in the detention center up there. They settled on 152 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: that out of court. They agreed that thirty thousand dollars 153 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: per head for a criminal was worthy compensation for us 154 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: as victims. One hundred thousand dollars per point of compensation 155 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 3: is where the one point five billion dollars has come from. 156 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: It might be a scary number, it might be an 157 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: unrealistic number. I don't know. But at the end of 158 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: the day, we started this as a very small family group. 159 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: We attracted the attention of three thousand local people last night, 160 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 3: wanting to stand together and wanting to see change, and 161 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: wanting to see our government held accountable for the neglect 162 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 3: of our town. 163 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: Well, and you know, came to and I think the 164 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: fact is at this point, you know, whether that number 165 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: is correct, just how far you get in terms of 166 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: getting that compensation remains to be seen. You know, we'll 167 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: see how things progress. But the fact is you got 168 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: three thousand, You got three thousand residents there who are 169 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: incredibly concerned about the situation in Alice Springs right now. 170 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean that says an enormous amount to me that 171 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: that many people have turned out, you know, to try 172 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: and show the government that action needs to be taken. Guth, 173 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: you know, the only criticism that I've sort of heard 174 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: on the ABC earlier this morning is that there was 175 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: some criticism that there were no that nobody indigenous had spoken, 176 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: or that there was an Indigenous involvement there. 177 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: What is your response to that. 178 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: The ABC report this morning was disgustingly wrong and the 179 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 3: people that were actually interviewed there were the hecklers that 180 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 3: were trying to stop the meeting and to create drama 181 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: there and everything else. We had eight oar Under elder 182 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 3: women traditional owners that hung around at the end of 183 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: the night, and all those told me that they had 184 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: personally told that group of people to leave the meeting 185 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 3: because they weren't there representing the r Under people of 186 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: our springs. So that was just flat out a group 187 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: of people. I offered for them to come up and 188 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 3: speak on the stage. I opened it up. I urged 189 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: them to come forward. When they were swearing, when they 190 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: were yelling, when they were trying to disrupt everything that 191 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 3: was being said, they were the only ones with a 192 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: negative attitude, and I don't think they even realized what 193 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 3: they were trying to fight, because all we were trying 194 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: to achieve last night, and what we did achieve was 195 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 3: to get a group of locals to come together from 196 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 3: every different avenue in town, different backgrounds, different thoughts, different abilities, 197 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 3: different trades, different everything. The number of people that we've 198 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 3: got to work with as a group to go forward 199 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 3: now is amazing, and that is inclusive of Aboriginal ar 200 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: under women that are traditional owners of the land that 201 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: these people were disrespecting them on GUS. 202 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: Do you think we've reached the point where the FEDS 203 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: need to step in? 204 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely, they need to step in and take control of 205 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: the situation so that we have a starting point. We 206 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 3: need to stop where we're at. We need to take 207 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: control of the situation and we need to save Alice Springs. 208 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: Alice Springs isn't big enough to have an influence on 209 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 3: the next election or anything like that. There's simply not 210 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: enough people here to do it. But there's enough people 211 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: here that love this town that we're going to stand 212 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: together and we're going to fight. 213 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: Garth. 214 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time this morning. You've been the 215 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: hardest man in the Northern Territory to get a hold 216 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: of today, but I know you must be very busy. 217 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: So we appreciate you having a chat with us. 218 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 3: No, thank you very much. I did take a break 219 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 3: after seeing what the ABC did to the to portray 220 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 3: the meeting, I was disgusted and I really needed to 221 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 3: evaluate who I was going to speak with today. Yeah, 222 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 3: I do appreciate the opportunity. 223 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: And just on that. 224 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: I mean to anybody that you know that is listening 225 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: this morning, that is thinking that you know that it 226 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: like that this is a divisional sort of conversation, or 227 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: that the meeting that you had last night was you know, 228 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: I was meant to divide the community in any way. 229 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: What would you say to them? 230 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 3: They're welcome to find me on my Facebook page. The 231 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: first ten minutes of my speech was on there. It's 232 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: open for anyone to see. It's not a problem at 233 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: all if they want to find me. Garth Thompson T 234 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 3: H O. M. P Son. The photograph is my wife 235 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: in a race car and my son's sitting next to it, 236 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 3: and they're welcome to jump on there and have a 237 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: look at it and make their own opinion of our 238 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 3: approach and the way that we're trying to conduct it. 239 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: Well, Garth, I appreciate your time this morning. 240 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: Thank you for having a chat with us, and please 241 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: keep us up to date let us know how things progress. 242 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: Not a problem, Thank you very much. I appreciate the opportunity. 243 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: Thank you