WEBVTT - #133 KLP Wasn't Prepared For How Different Her Births Would Be 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.160 Ash math. 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:04.440 Can I tell you a band that not only am 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:08.399 I obsessed with them, my children are obsessed with them. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.760 We play them every time in the car. Corn Divers 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:13.960 City Close. Do you want to have a listen? 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:14.840 Absolutely? 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:15.440 Can you? 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:21.640 God silly? Get your hands silly and city hands silly, 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:26.000 Get your pants silly and Sidney Pants City Shop back. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.160 Get everybody get down on the floor. 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:32.519 Ah, that sounds nothing like Corn. Get your kids on 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.640 the Diversity divers City Right, they are the best. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.600 Kop or Kersey Lepeters for sut is one half of Diversity, 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.080 alongside Matt o'kine. 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.640 That's right. Kope is one of those musicians who has 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:48.559 been in our ears in ways we didn't even realize. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:53.400 Yes, sir, that's thirteen thirty thirty two, Matthew. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.240 We will get into the lubabill later a little bit 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.480 later in the episode, but let's try something a little 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:08.080 bit more current. By night, Kop is filling out the 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:12.959 dance floor to incoherent adults and by day stumbling toddlers. 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.800 Two ends of the spectrum but similar in so many ways. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.680 She juggles this alongside her main gig as Mum to 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.360 see Jenna and Monty with her partner Nick Kop. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.600 Tells us her secret hiding spot when she needs a 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:25.280 little bit of a lone time Matthew. 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.440 She also talks about how different her girl's birds were 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:33.320 and her ongoing dilemma that involves waffle stomping my favorite. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:52.640 Let's get into it. Welcome back to two doting dads 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.720 and one doting mum. I am Maddie Jay, I'm Ash 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.880 and I'm Kop. And this is a podcast all about parenting. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:01:59.920 It is the good, is. 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.000 The bad, and the relatable. 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:06.240 And we don't give advice. Koorp. You can illegally you 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.480 are allowed, Ash and I are not allowed. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.360 Okay, great, good to know. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:14.360 We've had a few season desist letters by lawyers, so 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:18.160 for legal reasons, we can't give advice. But guess they are. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.720 They escape any kind of punishment for sure, legally for sure. 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:22.960 Welcome. Thank you for coming. 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:24.400 Thank you so much for having me. 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:25.680 Where are your kids right now? 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:31.840 I thought you had them? My kids one is in 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.440 year one and one is in daycare? Yeah. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.959 Can I say thank you? Thank because this time is precious. 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.640 Yeah, it really is. But I mean my kids have 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.960 been in care for a little while now, kind of 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:50.440 in daycare from maybe about one year old. So they 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.280 love it. They really do. Like we do have those 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.240 moments where they're like, I don't want to go, et cetera. 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.799 But whenever they're there, they just have so much fun, 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.680 and I feel a lot of pressure to provide them 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.000 that much fun. 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:08.720 On the weekend, it's no they like you said, they go, 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:10.560 I don't want to go to that, and then you 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:11.720 pick them up they're like, that's. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.440 Yeah, yeah, we're going to go do something boring. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.280 Obviously, children getting sick at daycare, it's going to happen. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.360 Have you had any situations, Yeah, all the time. 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:26.120 But very early on with Sienna, we discovered she was 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:30.400 getting tonsilitis all the time, and I think we went 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.360 to a doctor and he said, her tonsils are just 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:38.760 a stupid size, like her resting. Healthy tonsil size allowed 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.920 her no space to be like eating, breathing, and if 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.240 they're not getting enough oxygen they can stunt their growth, 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.400 et cetera. So we had her tonsils out when she 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:54.720 was just under three, which was, yeah, just a whole experience. Again, 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.200 I know, in the greatest scheme of things, it was 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.680 just day surgery, but seeing your child go under for 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:03.000 the first time, you know, that was very hard. And 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.640 then with Monty, very soon we realized she was getting 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.880 the same thing. Turns out Nick and I have also 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.360 had our tonsils out. Supposedly it's not yeah, but I'm like, 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.840 we've all had it, so we're a totally tonsil free 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:22.160 family now. Yeah, oh my god. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:22.880 Sorry. 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.200 Yeah. So, I mean that was like a really challenging 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.359 time because even with Monty we picked it up straight 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.880 away because we're like, we've been through this before, but 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.600 they don't want to do it to kids that are 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.120 too young. And so I remember the E and T 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.719 just saying no, we're just going to stick it out 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.080 for a year, and we're like, oh, she's going to 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.680 get sick a lot, and I'm just like, yeah, that's 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.479 just what's going to happen. But it was just it 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.120 was really rough. She was sick all the time and 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.440 coughing and sleeping. No, it wasn't that. It would just 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.960 be coughing to try and clear her airways and they 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.320 would just be swollen and red and then they start 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.320 to get scarred, I think from the build up. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.440 And then what's the recovery post surgery. 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:09.320 It's the worst. The doctor's explained it as two weeks 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.120 of hell and then overnight it suddenly changes and it 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.920 is like that, it's two weeks of It's really rough 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:16.880 on the kids because they're just in so much pain 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:17.520 and you just. 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:19.839 What do you feed them? 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.599 Ah. Funnily enough, my daughter wanted all the things she 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:31.200 couldn't have, like crackers, yeah, no corn and crackers that, yeah, 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:32.480 but yogurt. 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.480 How would they understand an internal injury? 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.080 You know, you know when they know when you're like 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:42.080 great straight away band aid, I'm her, let just don't get. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.799 It and yeah, and even going into the surgery and stuff, 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.640 you know, they go under, but when they wake up 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.160 from that general anesthetic, I don't know if you've had 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:50.719 to deal with that at all, but they're just so 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:56.440 out of it and that's pretty confronting. Second time around, 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.760 it was way better because we understood the pain management. 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.520 You've just got a pantold europin panold europhine, like just 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.760 one after the other, almost before they want it, and 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.680 so that was a little more bearable. Yeah, So that 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.679 was really challenging because it just felt like every month 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.680 they were sick and then just not breathing, and. 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.120 It's brutal of the whole household. 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.400 When they snore, but it's just a knock on because 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:24.160 you're up with them. 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.600 Then they're tired, they go to school, they're grumpy. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.400 You're grumpy. You gotta try and get some rest, and 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:30.280 it's just this ever go. 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.560 They would wake up with these little bags under their 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.560 eyes because they're just not getting enough oxygen at night 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.960 because they're not sleeping enough. And then as soon as 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.600 the tonsils were out, they're like, you know, waking up happy. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:44.440 Changes their speech and everything. 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.920 No, it totally does, Yeah, because when they've got those 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.320 tonsils in their mouth, they can't pronounce things, and then 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:50.920 when they're removed, their voices. 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.760 A friend of mine's kid was so they thought he 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.600 had really bad learning difficulties because he wasn't talking properly, 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.520 same age as Oscar, he so far behind. And then 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.960 they were like, need tonsils and adenoids out because he 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.279 can't breathe, he's not sleeping properly, he can't talk properly. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:08.960 I had no idea this is the thing. And then 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:10.040 he had them. 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.240 Out and I remember I was walking with lenning up 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.520 to the beach and he was like, uncle. 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:18.240 WIXI And I was like, yeah, they suddenly can pronounce. 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:23.040 Different kid altogether, and now he's like leaps and bounds 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.120 where it was like holding him back because he was 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.480 so tired, so cranky all the time, and now he's 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.080 just like hitting goals. 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:33.040 Like I kind of wish I had my tonsils taken out. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:34.280 They're stunting learning. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.280 Now instead. I just got circumcised. 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.200 Yeah, I haven't had mine out. I haven't had mine. 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.000 Explains a lot, but I'm uncircumcised. 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:48.880 We always like to know with our guests what you 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:52.000 were like as a child. Were you well behaved? 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:52.400 Were youna? 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.040 You seem like someone who would be very well behaved. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.240 Look, I think it's so boring, but I think I was. 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.160 But I was very determined. I was a good negotiator. 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:03.320 So I was the type of kid that would go 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.560 to my parents and be like, I'm going to do 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.400 this thing. I'm going to tell you about it, and 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.920 I want you to accept it. But I think I 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:17.239 was probably. I think I was maybe that way because 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.800 my parents gave us a lot of autonomy, so they 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.760 really encouraged us to like whatever we wanted to do. 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.040 They would really encourage us to be able to do that. 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.200 Do you remember any big pitch that you had to 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.160 go to your parents and be like, we should do 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:32.640 this thing. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.640 I mean it was definitely you know, boyfriend related or 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.079 I know I went out to a party and had 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.679 a fake ID but had told my parents. Oh, and 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:45.160 they were can I. 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.480 Just quickly ask it takes all the fun out of that. 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.319 Everyone always talks about having a fake ID. How did 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:51.920 you get yours? I never had one. 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.920 There was it. I don't want to name the travel company, 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:56.960 but there was a travel company that did these like 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.800 student travel cards, and it was quite easy to I'm 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:01.360 not naming it. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.720 I don't want to get I don't want to because 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.360 we're not young. And we talked about the legal problems 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.560 that this. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.199 Is also a really long time ago, that it was 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.200 quite easy to do that, and I think my parents 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.880 were of the mindset and I think I'll be like 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:20.880 this with my kids. It's hard to know where they 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.560 would say, we'd prefer to kind of know. And so 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.960 I was allowed to go, but I had to say 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.880 who I was going with, be back at a certain time, 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:35.640 so it was controlled. You know, what's what's the word? 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:41.680 Yeah? What is that say? You just come up with that? 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:42.120 That's great. 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.560 I feel like that's the same. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:47.800 But I was also so I was. 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:51.360 That was a trick though when parents were like, rather know. 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.360 Right, I was always like a performer. My dad was 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.720 a musician as well, and I went to a performing 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.880 arts high school. Found myself in a girl group signed 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.560 to Sony when I was thirteen, and so we did 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.840 a lot of traveling around. So I was by myself 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.760 traveling around Australia, being away from my parents. So they 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.040 kind of had no choice but to either give me 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:21.040 that responsibility and trust me in those situations. So I 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.959 had a lot of responsibility, but I also yeah, I 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.480 wasn't going to fuck it up, you know, that kind 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.160 of governed. I guess who I was as a kid. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:30.880 What was that group called? Again? 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.240 It was called Real Blondes. Terrible name, look it up. 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:39.240 Put in the SoundBite it was it was actually it 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.040 was like, would you prefer to go to school or 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:46.880 go to school minimally and tour and. 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.800 So we will put a SoundBite in. Is there a 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.160 specific track you would like us to play right now? 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:57.520 The classic is we Be Cool? Yeah? Do you know 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.040 what it was? Prior the Internet. But then one of 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.920 the parents of one of the girls has since uploaded 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:07.000 the music videos to you, so you can't. You can 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.480 find them, but there was no like official like YouTube 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.600 wasn't even really a thing. That's how long ago. 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.280 What was we be cool about? What was the premise? 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.160 You know? Oh god, I haven't been able to ask 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:24.800 to sing this. It was pretty deep some lyrics We 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:28.600 be smart from our head to our heart cool. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:43.360 I know, have you thought about remixing them? 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.240 Because you are a DJ, you do high energy stuff 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:50.800 that I think we should read the three of us. 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.560 Look, I have other songs now and I didn't write 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:55.120 that song. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.080 How was that with other kids at school? 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:57.240 Though? 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:01.360 Because I feel like sometimes people are jealous of success. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.640 Absolutely and especially teenage girls. So it was this weird 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:08.160 thing where people were supportive and it was kind of 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.960 cool because I was a little famous for a teenager, 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.840 you know, like get a little bit, you know, not 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.000 a very successful one, but like a little bit. But 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.560 then it ended at six when I was sixteen, so 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.720 we got dropped from our record label and I had 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.520 to go back and just be a normal kid at school. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:24.559 So it was heartbreaking. 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.120 It was because I thought I was going to be 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:32.080 the Spice Girls, and I wasn't Luckily I had a 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.280 dad that was in music, so he explained, you know, 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.720 this is one of the many times that I thought 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.440 it was a failure, and he was like, it's not 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.240 a failure. You're going to be in so many bands. 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.000 You're going to be in so many things. And I 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.400 think I got a really thick skin and huge resilience 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.839 because I just had to go back to school. People 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.040 would kind of make fun of it. 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.480 Did they know they wouldn't know you got dropped or do. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.760 People kind of yeah, it kind of ended no, no, 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.160 because we weren't that famous, it wasn't that that successful. 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.960 But I was just back to being a regular kid. 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.920 But I had the choice of either letting that destroy 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:15.320 me or being able to sit there and laugh at 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:19.559 them making fun of the situation. So I actually see 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.800 that whole period as being like a really big blessing 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.560 because I think it set me up for being quite tough. 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:28.280 Bit of resilience. Yeah, your dad is being he's been 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.040 quite wise in your corner, but he's also told you 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.800 into a few jobs as well. There's one that I 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:35.840 think a lot of people listening. 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.160 With you remember is not where that comes to mind. 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.880 And I'm just going to say thirteen thirty thirty two. 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.640 Yes, yeah, I peaked really young. 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:46.320 Yeo. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:47.400 I don't actually. 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.480 Remember how old I was, And I can't take full 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.160 credit because it was my brother that had He was 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.560 a few years younger than me, and he had the 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.400 It wasn't like a list, but you know the thirty 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.440 three that was my brother. I think I was like 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.200 there they fixed the car and he had the firth further. 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.160 But yeah, my dad was a songwriter, but then he 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:10.079 also wrote TV jingles. So that's why I've always come 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.680 from like a songwriting point of background. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.800 Like a cool claim to have here in Australia because 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.440 it's like everyone knows that. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.960 Everyone knows it. Yeah, there's a few famous ones, but 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.880 we would like honestly come home from school and just 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.840 hang out in the studio. I mean, I don't think 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.480 it's airing now, and I think I need to ask 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.600 my dad. But I think the laws were different, or 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.240 the rules were different as to you know, you just 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.400 get paid a fee as opposed to being like a 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.920 writer and getting like real I think it was different 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:38.320 back then. 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:46.840 I once did a tampon ad and and that ran 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:48.640 for almost two years. 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:49.400 As a child. 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:54.240 No, I was how would that one? 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.000 I don't know, like, Mom, what's wrong. 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:56.440 I don't know. 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:58.760 We'll think about that, we'll think about the logistics. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.680 And I used to get phone calls whether they'd say like, 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.160 oh it's now gone to New Zealand. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.320 Oh wow, And you would get royalties off that. 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:09.760 Yes, I was living off this tampon a good money. Yeah, 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:10.480 it was great money. 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:15.200 My friend who was the VEGGIEMI kid kid. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:16.600 Is that how you met Nick? 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:16.840 Then? 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:18.320 Through working in music? 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.080 Yes, through working in music, but that was through DJing 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:27.560 and for me the nightclub it was actually uh Cargo Bar, 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:36.240 famous nightclub, Unaware, but he was a little bit younger 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.600 than me and I, you know, had some rules of things, 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.920 you know, people I weren't going to date and DJs 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.640 was like top on the list, but I think he 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:46.680 saw that as a challenge. But yeah, we just met 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.600 through DJing in clubs. This is even really before I 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.760 was kind of k RP and. 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.600 He was he DJing or U DJ. 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.920 We're both DJ, well just his name. But then he's 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.400 in Setmo a band as well now, but he's also 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.520 now in the fitness industry, so he's had a little 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.440 bit of a pivot away from music. 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.200 Personal trainers on that list as well of people you 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:11.000 wouldn't danger. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.720 They probably would have been higher so he can stick around, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.840 but yeah, we just can't. We knew each other from 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:22.880 the DJ scene and then a mutual friend of ours, 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.040 you know, we're kind of all friends, and then it 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:26.520 just slowly happened. 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.400 Was there a big first date or was it just 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:28.880 it just. 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:33.680 No, It was definitely me even saying to his face, 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.160 this is not going to happen. 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.680 And then he was trying then for you to say 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:40.720 this is not going to happen with you. 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.480 Yeah, but I think I was also not his type. 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.480 But I think it was definitely one of those things 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.400 where neither of us thought it was going to be serious, 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.880 and then we suddenly found ourselves in a situation where 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:53.360 we were like. 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:54.440 Fuck, we love each other. 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.880 Yeah, and then yeah yeah, and now we've been to 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:01.800 yeah that's coming up on thirteen years. 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:02.080 Wow. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:03.160 Yeah crazy? 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.280 Oh yeah, congratulations, Yeah, why what's the secret? 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:08.680 Ah? 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.880 It's like this is going to it's not funny at all, 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:20.639 but like repair from issues. We're really good at discussing issues, 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:25.240 recognizing what they are, but they're not just saying, oh, 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.600 that was shit. Let's not do that again, actually saying 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.959 how can we avoid it happening again? And it's just 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:33.960 an ongoing thing, like it just comes up all the time, 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.960 especially when you've got kids. I remember my dad once 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:41.160 saying having kids is like throwing a grenade into a relationship, 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.679 and I was like, ha ha, And then you have it, 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.879 you're like, oh my god. Yeah, so just that idea 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.320 of you just constantly having to like work at it 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.679 and then repair and like work at it and repair. 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.360 It's funny, becau. Laura and I had a big fight 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.440 last night. Fun So I've got some repairing to do. 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.520 Yeah, like repair is the best part and it can 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.320 actually make things better. 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.919 And yeah, totally because you can be like, hey, I 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.560 didn't actually like that and like, how can we avoid 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:08.560 that from happening again? 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.320 Yeah, not just me, but you like together. 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:15.200 You've got to find practical ways to do that. Sometimes hard, 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.440 but yeah, like sometimes it's hard to figure out as well. 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:21.760 And if you're. 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.600 Tired and you're you know, over stimulated from kids or whatever. 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:26.040 It's just. 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.760 With Nick, I don't want to stereotype, okay, but he's 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:37.320 younger than you. He's a DJ I imagine that again. 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:41.159 Stereotyping having kids is not top of his list of 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:41.760 things to do. 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:48.560 Well, here's the thing about Nick. When we first the 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:50.600 first time, we kind of saw each other in the 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.440 light of like, oh hello, because we knew each other 0:18:53.840 --> 0:19:00.480 in the nightclub. He said something like, oh, we should 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.399 hang out, and I was like, I don't get picked 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:03.840 up in cargo bar, like you can call me in 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.119 the am. He did. He called me the next morning 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.159 and he said, Hey, I'm just on my way to yoga. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:12.679 Do you want to meet me afterwards? And I was 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.800 intrigued because he's very much live life to the fullest. 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.480 So he will run a marathon. He will then stay 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:25.040 up all night DJing or dancing. He'll eat burgers, then 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.640 he'll eat really healthily, like he's just this real. He 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:33.960 does things in all extremes, but the good and the 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:38.640 hard parts. So yeah, he he really throws these curve 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:40.720 balls out there where he's like, I'm going to do yoga. 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.600 But then I'm a DJ and I'm younger, but I'm reliable. 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.000 So how did you respond to the yoga statement? 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:50.480 Well, I was intrigued. It worked. I went to meet 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:57.240 him for coffee. Yeah, ok, yeah, so he had yeah, yeah. 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:01.119 So no, it just and all through our relationship, like 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.160 we kind of started seeing each other and I knew 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:07.240 he was about to go overseas for a Bucks weekend 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:08.760 or week in Fither. 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.720 Wow, it's intense exactly. 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:16.119 So in my mind, I thought, well, this has an 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.160 end date, because you know, there's no way we're going 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.920 to stay together throughout that. And I was fine with it. 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:26.680 But then he turned up on my doorstep one day 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:31.040 before he was about to leave and he said something like, 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:35.800 I want to lock this shit down with some flowers. Yeah, 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.360 so that's the thing. But he's he's not perfect all 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:42.920