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Speaker 1: with Katie Wolf. Everyone is listening Mix one O four

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Speaker 2: It is a Tuesday morning and time for the big

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Speaker 2: issues brought to you by the Kolano Community Association and

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Speaker 2: Aboridge Alone to operate it and community lead organization from

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Speaker 2: the top end to Tenant Creek and joining me in

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Speaker 2: the studio, Dave Tolna, Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Gat to be with you, Cadie.

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Speaker 4: And he's back.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, It is good.

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Speaker 5: It's back in the warm weather. Jesus nippy down south,

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Speaker 5: were quite fresh. We snuck over into Victoria a get there.

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Speaker 5: I went to and had had long a long weekend

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Speaker 5: in Horsham with some some mates over there. So did

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Speaker 5: you drive over fly now we drove the new car

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Speaker 5: over there, and then there we had to go back

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Speaker 5: through the border and line up and had a COVID test.

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Speaker 5: Then we went to Portugusta and waited for our results

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Speaker 5: and came back negative.

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Speaker 4: And and here you are and.

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Speaker 5: Got back here.

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Speaker 6: I'm surprised you have him self isolated, but you know,

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Speaker 6: I would just like that he did it once before

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Speaker 6: he self isolated just to be on the safe.

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Speaker 5: Unless we as we know that he was former politicians.

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Speaker 5: Isolation comes naturally.

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Speaker 3: Once he loose.

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Speaker 5: No one wants to be around the loosing politician. When

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Speaker 5: I won, many fathers of victory, and when I lost,

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Speaker 5: I was an orphan. I was on me.

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Speaker 3: Funny, he's guilding. I don't know that he had that

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Speaker 3: many friends that he run.

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Speaker 6: Were the friends money votes.

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Speaker 4: So well, I tell me what, rightly or wrongly. I'm

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Speaker 4: friends with both of you, and whether you're politicians or.

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Speaker 3: Not, keep that quiet.

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Speaker 4: I try not to let it ruin my strength.

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Speaker 5: No one listens to this.

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Speaker 3: I've bounded myself.

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Speaker 2: Now let's go across to this news about Barnaby Joyce.

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Speaker 2: Newly elected Nowsals leader Barnaby Joyce, he's acknowledged his past

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Speaker 2: faults since he's last held the party's top job, and

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Speaker 2: vowed to ensure the junior coalition partner has given respect

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Speaker 2: by the Liberals.

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Speaker 4: Mister Joyce said that he was humbled to have been.

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Speaker 2: Returned to the to the job, confirming that it had

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Speaker 2: already spoken with the Prime Minister Scott Morrison. He said

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Speaker 2: he would have further discussions as he renegotiated the coalition

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Speaker 2: deal between the Nationals and the Liberal Party and went

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Speaker 2: on to say that is the that is part and

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Speaker 2: parcel of when you have a new leader, you have

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Speaker 2: a new agreement.

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Speaker 4: So there's lots.

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Speaker 2: Well let's start off with what do you think about

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Speaker 2: Barnaby being back in the job.

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Speaker 5: But I just want to know did he talk to

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Speaker 5: the Prime Minister before the spill or or after the spill?

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Speaker 4: Who knows?

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Speaker 3: Certainly certainly spoke to him after the spill.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the Prime Minister's are, judging by the

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Speaker 5: Barnaby back as the As the vice captain of the team,

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Speaker 5: it's a little bit like the vice captain of the

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Speaker 5: Australian cricket team. Like no one really keys, Like the

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Speaker 5: Nationals are struggling for relevance. I love the photo of

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Speaker 5: the Nationals. It's like the Great the last bastion of

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Speaker 5: white supremacy in Australian politics.

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Speaker 3: It's all the war white.

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Speaker 5: Guys, middle to late age.

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Speaker 3: Few women chucked in there.

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Speaker 5: But I'll tell you what, in the National Party, you

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Speaker 5: make a mistake, you can get back to being the leader.

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Speaker 5: Like Barnaby has I.

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Speaker 3: See bridget was walking with it.

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Speaker 5: Mackenzie has suddenly gone from being sacked over the sports

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Speaker 5: the Nationals. So if you're out there and you're aspiring

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Speaker 4: What's your take on it, Da, Well.

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Speaker 6: The fact is everybody makes mistakes. There's only people in

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Speaker 6: but I mean the reality is that, you know, we're

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Speaker 6: all human. I think Barnaby made that point. He's learned

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Speaker 6: Skama would be smiling, of course, because you know he's

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Speaker 6: now got a true campaigner at his side, and you

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Speaker 6: can't underestimate the campaigning skills of Barnaby Joyce. The fact

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Speaker 6: is he started out life as a senator. Very few

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Speaker 6: of Reps because of course it means getting.

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Speaker 3: Elected, It means having to work and getting elected.

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Speaker 6: Not only did did did Barnaby make the transition from

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Speaker 6: But he also stood in a seat that the Coalition

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Speaker 6: off a popular independence say, you know, his electability is unquestionable.

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Speaker 6: All he's gone on despite the scandals, and that he

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Speaker 6: And the fact is, I think it plays out that

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Speaker 6: most Australians appreciate a straight talker.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: They might not like the guy's style and all of

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Speaker 6: you and and he's proven I.

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Speaker 4: Reckon though he's going to be interesting. Is obviously the

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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison's going down, you know, like he's talking much

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Speaker 2: more about about the path you know, of the climate

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Speaker 2: and the ways in which we need to be you know,

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Speaker 2: thinking more about that and renewables, whereas Barnaby sort of

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Speaker 2: wonder how that's all going to play out in terms

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Speaker 6: Scott Morrison really is quite happy because it's it's made

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Speaker 6: in some regards it makes a Liberal party fail.

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Speaker 3: Reality.

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Speaker 6: I think the fact is when Malcolm Turnbill came in,

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Speaker 6: you know, the ones that sort of worry so much

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Speaker 4: Did say that he supported that Billa Wheeler family.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I'm talking about the chard set

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Speaker 2: You know, the zippers on the left and the char

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Speaker 6: Side, on the liber well, that's basically it, you know,

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Speaker 6: the reality is is that the Nationals representatives, I have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also going to be difficult for Scott

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Speaker 2: Morrison because then you've got your capital cities and and

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Speaker 2: But then on the other side of the fence, you've

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Speaker 5: Continue to go here is simple, all right. You've got

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Speaker 5: Barnaby Joyce going there, get out to the regions and

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Speaker 5: National Party. That's exactly what the balance will be and

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Speaker 5: it'll be interesting to see. I will shout you lunch

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Speaker 5: if I'm wrong, Dave Tawner. That is exactly the way

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Speaker 5: the Coalition will play this though he'll have the attack

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Speaker 5: dog in Barnaby Joyce. And the whole sad thing about

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Speaker 5: this is that the most vulnerable people to climate change

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Speaker 5: in Australia are actually the farmers who continue to support

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Speaker 5: They're the farmers are the ones that suffer the droughts,

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Speaker 5: they suffer the floods, they suffer the bushfires, but they

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Speaker 5: continue to support a party that denies that there is

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Speaker 5: He's not somebody that's slow in changing the renewabulls. He

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Speaker 5: a big lunch to the right.

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Speaker 2: You've got one side of the fence that obviously is

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Speaker 2: transitioning away from you know, the dirtier ways of obviously

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Speaker 2: sit where I go, well, I don't want every Queenslander

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Speaker 4: I've seen that. I've lived in a mining town.

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Speaker 2: But I also don't want to think that climate change

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Speaker 2: doing things the way that we are.

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Speaker 6: Well, the thing is, I mean, you know Hailey sort

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Speaker 6: of writing in some regard, Well, the point is, you know,

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Speaker 6: that's the way the coalition operates. You've got the Nationals

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Speaker 6: you've got the Liberals in there, you know, representing the

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Speaker 6: they're going to be running separate messages because they got

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Speaker 6: separate constituencies. But I think ultimately the Libs and the

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Speaker 6: all of this sort of nonsense that you know is

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Speaker 6: a hallmark of the Labor and the Greens. They actually

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Speaker 6: want something that's practical. And you know, whether you believe

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Speaker 6: that you know that the coalition will be sitting there saying, listen,

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Speaker 6: there's a lot of people concerned about climate change. We

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Speaker 6: have to be seen to be acting on it. But

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Speaker 6: we don't want to throw the baby out with the bathboater.

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Speaker 6: We need to maintain rural and regional economies. And Barnaby

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Speaker 6: is a man who can make that point. Name the

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Speaker 6: other side, the other side of politics, You've got to

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Speaker 6: understand labor tearing themselves to bits at the moment over

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Speaker 6: renewables policy and climate change and all of that sort

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Speaker 6: of stuff, that they are really in the in the

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Speaker 6: got their sidekicks, the Greens, who are just so far

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Speaker 3: They don't care.

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Speaker 6: And that's that's that's really the argument that's happening. On

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Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting and we're really we can't

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Speaker 6: Well, the other thing about this that I find remarkable.

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Speaker 5: Tuned in and horse. I sat there in a laundry

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Speaker 6: No. But I mean this whole spilled thing amazingly, how

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Speaker 6: This is a lesson for all political parties in how

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Speaker 3: You know, they knew him very quick and sharp.

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Speaker 3: Well about Michael McCormack.

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Speaker 6: Whe was he got a standing ovation at the end

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Speaker 3: That means nothing.

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Speaker 5: He's not a climate change denier. He's a decent bloke.

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Speaker 5: They need an attack dog, so they bring back the

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 5: That is exactly what they've done.

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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf on Mixed one oh four

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Mix one oh four point nine is

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Speaker 3: I turned bag on to Barnaby Walking.

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Speaker 4: On that Senate spot.

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Speaker 2: Barnaby would be hoping it, guys.

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Speaker 6: Well, Barnaby has been obviously very vocal behind Sam McMahon,

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Speaker 3: For obvious reasons, A couple of reasons, not.

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Speaker 6: Least of which because he obviously had a party round

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Speaker 3: Is pre selected.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, Dave, I just wondered, I certainly won't be sitting

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Speaker 3: To say, get one. I don't think you'll get one home.

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Speaker 5: I won't be waiting for you to tell me what's

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Speaker 3: Do very much these days.

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Speaker 5: I think I think the Labor Party has lost my

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Speaker 5: number of pages ago I used to do em scene.

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Speaker 5: I've got cut from m scene. I don't get invited

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Speaker 2: I think now is the right time for me to

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Speaker 2: read out this message that I got from a listener

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Speaker 2: We can only wish.

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Speaker 5: Is that sent by Maria.

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Speaker 4: From by Maria Maria.

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Speaker 5: From Gun maybe or Bev from Grave?

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Speaker 3: Ignora?

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Speaker 4: Do you want to talk to you? Very briefly because.

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Speaker 5: I want one thing on the on the Senate stuff. Look,

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Speaker 5: I'm more interested in seeing the Lingiari and Solomon candidates,

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Speaker 5: I think that by the sounds of it, Senat mc

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Speaker 5: But more interested in the seats that count are the

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon is going to run in those seats?

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Speaker 2: For Solomon for the COLP. I'll be really fascinated to

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Speaker 6: The cop been extraordinarily good at Keith mccapp. He's nominated

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Speaker 6: He'll put their hand up, and I suppose we'll find

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Speaker 6: out Monday Sunday night. Well, I can tell you right now,

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Speaker 6: I'm not one of them himself, I have to say,

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Speaker 6: and I imagine Harley's in the same. But it's an

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Speaker 3: It really is. And you know, when you're there, you work,

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Speaker 3: you work hard.

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Speaker 6: But I think in some regards you don't appreciate it

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Speaker 6: and the travel, being away from family, all of that

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Speaker 2: But you know, and sorry, but you both required every

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Speaker 2: Tuesday morning in here.

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Speaker 4: Now it's irregular stock.

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Speaker 5: Need too much money? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm want too

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Speaker 4: Literally you have.

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Speaker 6: Actually, I think it's only about a year ago now

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Speaker 6: I mean, you can't knock them for their generosity. This

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Speaker 5: Once a decade, and don't we love it. Once a

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Speaker 3: The sixty cents at the parking leading out the front

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Speaker 2: Sorry, but we have to wrap up. I was hoping

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Speaker 2: to talk about speeding funds, but we run out of time,

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Speaker 2: so we'll talk about that, don't we all?

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Speaker 4: Will? Dave Tollner and Damien Hale, it's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Well, you've got to stop for those. It's always wonderful

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Speaker 2: both so much for your time this morning. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: to you again next week.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Wolfe, thank you.

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