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Speaker 1: James and Amanda jam Nason.

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Speaker 2: Hugo Weaving has been gracing our screens for decades, and

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Speaker 2: now it's back starring in a movie based on one

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Speaker 2: of Paul Kelly's most iconic songs, How to Make Gravy

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Speaker 2: Hugo Weaving.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Hi guys.

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Speaker 2: Were you a fan of the song?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very much so. I think I must have seen

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Speaker 3: it pretty early on after it was first the clip

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Speaker 3: first came out. I can remember seeing it way back whenever.

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Speaker 3: That was no specific memory, but a general memory which

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Speaker 3: then builds over the years every time Christmas came around

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Speaker 3: and that it would be played. But like a lot

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Speaker 3: of Paul's music, it's incredibly catchy and easy to listen to,

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Speaker 3: and it's very moving too. So yeah, I'm a big

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Speaker 3: fan of the song, and I thought it was a

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Speaker 3: fantastic idea to make a film out of it.

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Speaker 4: Curiously, when it came out, I was working on radio

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Speaker 4: at the time when it came out, and it was

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Speaker 4: a real slow burn of a song. It it didn't

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Speaker 4: real It's quite a extraordinity to see the impact it

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Speaker 4: has now, Like when people have Gravy Day on the

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Speaker 4: twenty first of December.

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Speaker 1: The song has become such a huge classic.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if because as we as listeners have got

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Speaker 2: older and more sentimental.

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Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It was a slow burn when I realized, Oh, I

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Speaker 3: think there is such a thing as gravy day, and

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Speaker 3: people sid to wut gravy Ah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So the it's a great song, and it's about family

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Speaker 3: and it's something we all understand, and it's about loving

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Speaker 3: people but not being with them, you know, it's about

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Speaker 3: missing home, and it's about sort of being able to

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Speaker 3: say sorry for things.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's.

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Speaker 3: Something that I don't know that it's maybe we are

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Speaker 3: you know, as you get older, you get more sentimental.

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Speaker 3: I hope not. I hope you just get more open

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Speaker 3: to love. Actually, I hope that life enables you to

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Speaker 3: love better. And I think that's kind of what the

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Speaker 3: song is about, really, someone realizing that they've messed up

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Speaker 3: and they'd like to love better and saying sorry for

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Speaker 3: who they are.

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Speaker 1: It's this fantastic song because of that.

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Speaker 2: You know, you play Noel or no Well as we

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Speaker 2: should say as we get closer to Christmas, Noel actually

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Speaker 2: isn't in the song, So tell us about nol.

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Speaker 3: Well because it's so it's a if you know the

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Speaker 3: song or if you don't know the song. Basically it's

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Speaker 3: about family and Joe. Joe is writing from prison. He's

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Speaker 3: writing from prison back to his brother and talking about

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Speaker 3: his family and he's going to miss them. So if

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Speaker 3: you make a film about this song, you're going to

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Speaker 3: be needing to see Joe inside prison. And if you

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Speaker 3: if you've got prison scenes, then you need other prisoners

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Speaker 3: and you need you know people who are running them prison.

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Speaker 3: So it's a kind of Nol is a father figure inside.

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Speaker 3: He runs a men's group and he runs the kitchen.

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Speaker 3: So he's a prisoner, but he's also he's he's done

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Speaker 3: a lot of work on himself and he's he's a

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Speaker 3: he's a very Australian male, but he's also he's very

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Speaker 3: warm hearted and so that he's a father figure for Joe.

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Speaker 2: And it was Paul Kelly's actual gravy recipe. He told

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Speaker 2: us have you tried the recipe, Hugo, Well, we did.

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Speaker 3: We made quite a lot of gravy on set. Some

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Speaker 3: of the gravy was and we had to taste it.

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Speaker 3: Some of the gravy was but some of it was

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Speaker 3: film gravy. What does it look?

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm an actor, like, that's young film gravy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just metre's flour, wine and a bit of

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Speaker 3: a sweetener. And yeah, Paul's Paul's recipe, I think, which

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Speaker 3: is his father first father in laws. That extra dollar

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Speaker 3: tomato sauce.

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Speaker 1: Extra sweet and tang and then that's what you go.

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Speaker 4: But forever known as film gravy.

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Speaker 1: It's so good to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: How watch How to Make Gravy is from the first

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Speaker 4: of December only on Binge.

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Speaker 1: Hugo Weaving always a treat.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, guys,