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Speaker 1: Let's get into it because, as I said on Monday

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Speaker 1: this week, we spoke to Luke Gosling, the Federal member,

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Speaker 1: about the federal government's social housing announcement two billion dollars

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Speaker 1: on offer across Australia in an effort to boost social housing.

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Speaker 1: Fifty million dollars of urban social housing funds for the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory is part of that announcement. So we started

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Speaker 1: the week with that good news. But unfortunately it seems

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Speaker 1: that some serious work is actually required when it comes

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Speaker 1: to public housing more generally. Now, the Shadow Minister for Housing,

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Speaker 1: Jared Mayley, says that yesterday they heard in estimates, in

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Speaker 1: addition to that sixty nine point seven million dollars in

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Speaker 1: remote rent which was written off last year, this year

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Speaker 1: they accumulated another six point eight million dollars in unpaid

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Speaker 1: remote rent and four point seventy five million dollars in

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Speaker 1: unpaid urban rent. That means that Territorians are losing one

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty grand a week in unpaid rent. Now

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Speaker 1: joining me on the line is the Deputy Opposition Leader,

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Speaker 1: Jared Maylee.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Jared, can you tell me what questions were asked around

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Speaker 1: rent and what's specifically in urban public housing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okaytie, So yesterday we had a line of questioning

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Speaker 3: about the public housing in remote areas and also urban areas,

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Speaker 3: just trying to gauge what's the level of consequence for

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Speaker 3: damage to public property which is characy housing, and also for.

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Speaker 4: Lack of paying rent.

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Speaker 3: In those line questions, we uncovered that sixty nine million

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Speaker 3: dollars was written off last year for remote rent and

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Speaker 3: can you just think about what that could have brought

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Speaker 3: in relation to resourcing for the police, or resourcing for schools,

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Speaker 3: or resourcing.

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Speaker 4: For our hospitals.

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Speaker 3: Instead, this government has just written it off and so

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Speaker 3: year already back to a six point eight million dollars

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Speaker 3: in remote rent and four point seventy five million in

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Speaker 3: urban rent. So that's a lot of money that hasn't

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Speaker 3: been collected which could be used for other purposes. And

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Speaker 3: so we're really starting to unick why the terroitor is

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Speaker 3: in such a bad state, because all these little things

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Speaker 3: add up to resourcing that could be used in other

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Speaker 3: places like police and health and education, which we know

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Speaker 3: is under resource and vitally important important to the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: It's an awful lot of money.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about unpaid rent, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: think we all know that if you live in private

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Speaker 1: private rental and you don't pay your rent, well, you're

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Speaker 1: going to be evicted. What is the situation in terms

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Speaker 1: of the ramifications to those in public housing if they

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Speaker 1: don't pay their rent?

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Speaker 3: Well, we asked that question, if they're we're been addicted

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Speaker 3: for not paying their rent, and the labor government could

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Speaker 3: answer that. You think that would be a pretty easy

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Speaker 3: question to ask, but the labor government so we don't

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Speaker 3: have the information and took what I noticed, which means

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Speaker 3: we won't get that information for another thirty days. And look,

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Speaker 3: some people might think that that's just the Labor Coment

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Speaker 3: trying to deflect their bad answer because they don't want

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Speaker 3: up to scrutiny becauld have done such a bad job

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Speaker 3: in relation to managing this is taxpayers money case. It's

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Speaker 3: the way, it's not the government's money. This is mum,

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Speaker 3: the downs out there working hard, paying their tax, and

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Speaker 3: then this labor government spend the tax pays money, and

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Speaker 3: now we're finding out that they're just writing off money.

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Speaker 3: Here and there, and we're not talking little bits which

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Speaker 3: quick at nine million dollars.

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Speaker 2: It's a substantial amount, Jared's.

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Speaker 3: Stantial amount of money, and it was out to be

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Speaker 3: almost done. Eight hundred thousand dollars a month and unpaid

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Speaker 1: Jared, what if the CLP was in power, what would

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Speaker 1: you do when their attendants that aren't paying their rent?

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Speaker 3: Well, what we would do is we would make sure

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Speaker 3: that the COLP have a process in place that you

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Speaker 3: pay your rent each week, and there's ways of collection

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Speaker 3: through send leg and through direct deduction, because that's.

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Speaker 4: Where the problem lies.

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Speaker 3: This is that labor government seems just to let it

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Speaker 3: go through the keeper and it'll be right, and don't

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Speaker 3: try and collect it the next minute. There is a

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Speaker 4: So do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: If it was easy, surely they would be doing it already.

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously they're not KD because we've got six point

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Speaker 4: And just like the private people, if you don't pay.

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Speaker 3: Your rent, the next day, someone comes knock on your

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Speaker 4: And I understand there's problems.

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Speaker 3: But the most people are in public housing on some

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Speaker 3: set payment every week. So there must be ways in

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Speaker 4: The Northern Territory.

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Speaker 3: Because, like I said, what about sixty nine million dollars

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be helpful for Yeah, it certainly would.

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Speaker 1: Hey, can you tell me what did you uncover in

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Speaker 1: terms of weight lists, because we know that there are

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Speaker 1: very extensive weight lists to obviously get into public housing.

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Speaker 1: Did you get much level of detail in terms of

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Speaker 1: how long people are waiting?

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Speaker 3: No, we didn't get much detail and how long we

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Speaker 3: really got into You know, how if you damage property

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Speaker 3: of this, if you an unsavory tenant, what's the process

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Speaker 3: these tenets. Nothing seems to happen. We asked questions about that,

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Speaker 3: and we got was, oh, there was a process that

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Speaker 3: was it so detail?

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Speaker 2: Was there detail in terms of that process? Or no?

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Speaker 3: No, no, they wouldn't give us any detail. And like

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Speaker 3: I said, I asked the question, how many people have

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Speaker 3: was very difficult. But you know, this government came into

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Speaker 4: I think this last two.

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Speaker 3: Weeks off estimates has really shown that they haven't been

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Speaker 3: is another classic example of sixty nine million dollars written

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Speaker 1: Jared, do we know how much money has been spent

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Speaker 1: on repairs? Because obviously we've got a situation as well

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Speaker 1: where you know, sometimes in those public housing homes, if

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Speaker 1: And I do want to point out that there's plenty

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Speaker 1: level of understanding of how much money has been spent

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Speaker 1: on repairs, Yes.

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Speaker 4: We do.

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Speaker 3: Like I asked some questions about that, and the government

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Speaker 4: What I how much?

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Speaker 3: In what?

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Speaker 2: How much?

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Speaker 3: Eleven point four million?

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Speaker 3: There was one hundred and twenty five homes of damage

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Speaker 3: I asked some questions about has there been any effort

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Speaker 3: that they were the victims of crime. And I fully

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Speaker 3: accept that if you were renting a home and someone

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Speaker 1: Mmmm.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's seemed a big.

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Speaker 3: Cover up to me, Katie, And it just seems that

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Speaker 3: this government don't want to answer the questions. And if

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Speaker 4: Good answer, they'll answer.

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Speaker 3: And it just really shows that this government is not

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Speaker 3: four point nine million dollars in one year spent on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is such a lot of money. It's a

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Speaker 1: that Anthony Albanezi had had announced across Australia. Fifty million

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Speaker 1: you do think to yourself, if we can strengthen the

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Speaker 1: some of those wait lists of course.

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Speaker 3: Certainly because would have to be houses out there that

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Speaker 3: in thirty June this year, and there's some seven hundred

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Speaker 3: that agreement they're getting an extra one hundred and eleven

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Speaker 4: They've got the money.

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Speaker 3: I'm just really worried that they won't be able to

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Speaker 3: get that up and running because the government isn't competent

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Speaker 3: and can't handle the workload and can't get that money

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Speaker 3: and those houses out where they're desperately needed.

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Speaker 2: Jared, I do want to move along.

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Speaker 1: We know that the ABC is this morning reporting the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government's refusing to release a youth bail review report,

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Speaker 1: which is sitting with its Cabinet ministers against calls from

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Speaker 1: legal groups and unions and political opponents now. Earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister Natasha Files promised to publicly release a second,

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Speaker 1: as yet unfinished review into bail laws, which was triggered

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Speaker 1: as we know after the stabbing death of Decklan Lavity.

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Speaker 1: But the government hads well, they've confirmed the other completed

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Speaker 1: bail report wouldn't see the light of day. The ABC

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Speaker 1: reporting that Police Minister Kate Warden released a statement saying

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Speaker 1: this youth bail review is part of a number of

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Speaker 1: initiatives introduced by the Territory Labor government to keep territori

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Speaker 1: ins safe. This is a Cabinet in confidence document and

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Speaker 1: will not be made public. Jared, why do you think

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Speaker 3: Well, the territories have lost confidence and lost trust in

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Speaker 3: the law, the charity government the way they've handled the police,

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Speaker 3: and the police do a great job. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 4: We'd be in a world to hurt. But it's just

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Speaker 4: you know, look at those police surveys.

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Speaker 3: You know, ninety odd percent of people of the police

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Speaker 4: And looking for exisit strategies.

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Speaker 3: This really goes to show that this government is not

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Speaker 3: it out because people out there in order charity don't

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Speaker 3: because what's in it. Maybe they're scared of what's in it,

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Speaker 3: because we all know that their bail.

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Speaker 4: Laws have failed.

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Speaker 3: They've narrowed down to the bail two prohibitive control weapons,

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Speaker 3: which is not working because most crime out there is

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Speaker 1: Reckon do you reckon it with in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: this one that is in is obviously into into into

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Speaker 1: use bail Do you reckon it?

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Speaker 2: Would help by making that public, of.

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Speaker 4: Course it would.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Territorians are crying out for some leadership

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Speaker 3: and unfortunately this government are lacking in leadership, and this

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Speaker 1: Now I want to ask you about the situation with

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Children's Commissioner. It was revealed in Estimates

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Speaker 1: less than three months after she was acquitted of abusing

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Speaker 1: her office in March. Miss Gwinn has been on leave

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Speaker 1: But on Tuesday in Budget Estimates, well we heard that

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Speaker 1: Miss Gwinn's paid leave has since been extended to September

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Speaker 1: was expected to be advertised. Now, the Attorney General, Chancey

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Speaker 1: Pake said that his department was working with her about

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Speaker 1: the employment being finalized. Jerah, what do you think needs

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Speaker 4: Mate?

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Speaker 3: This is a complete debarkle. The government need to come

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Speaker 3: out and explain the territories exactly what's happened, exactly what

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Speaker 3: is going to cost the taxpayer. Again, this is not

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Speaker 3: government money. This is tax payers money in this bungle. Prosecution,

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Speaker 3: the whole employment, the whole process needs to be fully

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Speaker 3: reviewed because there is something wrong with this. I'm not

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Speaker 3: but something needs to be done because people, Territorians have

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Speaker 3: lost some trust. Again, this is just another nail in

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Speaker 1: When you say it needs to be reviewed, I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you think that that needs to be an internal review?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there needs to be that this

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Speaker 3: Well, Look, ultimately, I don't think internal reviews enough because

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Speaker 3: reviewing yourself show previous history shows it doesn't work. It

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Speaker 3: public review. And if I CAx the way to do it,

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Speaker 3: let's just get it done. Because this Territorians are crying

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Speaker 3: out for leadership, crying out for some confidence, and this

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Speaker 2: Just a very quick one before I let you go.

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Speaker 1: The colp reckons that this home and business battery scheme

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Speaker 1: has been touched from six thousand dollars to five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: What exactly are you talking about here when you talk

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Speaker 1: the battery if you decide to go that way?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you make an application. The previous government program

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Speaker 3: was that you'd get six thousand.

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Speaker 4: Dollars to go towards your battery.

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Speaker 3: And that's now being cut and we found out and

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Speaker 3: I certainly didn't see that out in the open until

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Speaker 3: it was just revealed and estimates. So they've cut that

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Speaker 3: down to five thousand dollars. And look, the colp's version

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Speaker 3: is that of that policy is that if you make

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Speaker 3: an application you'll get up to twelve thousand dollars, Because

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Speaker 3: what we're hearing is five thousand dollars doesn't get you

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Speaker 3: a big enough battery.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that just trying to buy votes? Do

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Speaker 1: you think by making it twelve thousand?

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Speaker 3: Well, no, what it is is actually putting money into

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Speaker 3: territory in its pockets, because if you're going to do something,

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Speaker 3: you do it properly, and no point putting half a

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Speaker 3: if you got your solos and you want to have

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Speaker 3: that battery power back up. Well, it's going to cost

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Speaker 3: you about twelve thousand dollars, so it's no point cut

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Speaker 3: going to do the job, you must do it properly.

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Speaker 2: Jared.

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Speaker 1: How many days left of budget estimates? Is it on

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Speaker 1: tomorrow as well or just today?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Today?

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Speaker 3: If anishes at one point thirty and then Parliament resumes

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Speaker 3: at two thirty to have debate about whether the bill

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Speaker 1: Not, and what will you guys be what will you

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Speaker 1: guys be saying when that debate happens.

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Speaker 3: Oh, look at what I'm going to be saying, Katie,

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Speaker 3: is I'm going to outline some of these examples. This

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Speaker 3: is just we're really really clear that this labor government

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Speaker 3: of out of touch. They have misspending taxpayers money. They're

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Speaker 3: writing off taxpayers money which could be used for better resources.

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Speaker 3: As we've talked about, you know this sixty nine million

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Speaker 3: This government have failed territories and just in this last

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Speaker 3: two weeks of estimate, there's examples right across every portfolio.

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Speaker 3: How this government have just become completely incompetent.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jared Maylee, you're not mincing your words this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you,