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Speaker 1: As I said yesterday on the show, we spoke to

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Speaker 1: Samara Lavity about the Justice for Decklan Lavity Well petition

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Speaker 1: and her calls for further action when it comes to

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Speaker 1: crime in the Northern Territory. Now as it stands, while

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at this right now, that petition, those numbers

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Speaker 1: have now reached twenty two thousand, five hundred and sixty one.

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Speaker 1: Now the Opposition leader Lea Finocchio tabled that petition in

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Speaker 1: Parliament yesterday. She joins me on the line, good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katy and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, that petition table yesterday, more than twenty two

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Speaker 1: thousand people have now signed it. What's going to happen

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Speaker 1: with that petition now?

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Speaker 2: It's really incredible, Katie, And I think the strength and

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Speaker 2: the numbers of people signing that petition started by Samara

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Speaker 2: Lavity shows the rapid increase in concern right across our

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Speaker 2: petition on behalf of the people who signed it, and

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Speaker 2: I hope it serves as a very dark warning to

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Speaker 2: Natasha files around people's desperate want for this government to

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Speaker 2: So time will tell if they do anything with it.

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Speaker 2: I've asked for it to be sent to a scrutiny committee,

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Speaker 2: who are then able to authorize it to come back

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Speaker 2: really clear that if that petition disappears and never comes

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Speaker 2: if they block this petition coming back to Parliament for debate,

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Speaker 2: it shows just how little respects.

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Speaker 1: Solelya sorry, just talk us through that again with the

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Speaker 1: for it to be debated in parliament.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what happens is when you table a petition,

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Speaker 2: the petition is read out and then I referred it

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Speaker 2: it comes back to Parliament for a debate. Now, if

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Speaker 2: a debate, next sittings. It will be because Labor have

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Speaker 2: if we don't see that petition next month, we know

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Speaker 2: that Labor again are trying to shut down the voices

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Speaker 2: of a community and are turning their back on twenty

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Speaker 1: Well, I actually think those numbers are going to grow.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think that you can ignore that number

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Speaker 1: the voices of twenty two thousand people. Now, whether all

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Speaker 3: There's names that I recognize.

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Speaker 2: I haven't gone through all of them, but that was

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Speaker 2: twenty Sorry, that was two point two kilos of paper, Katie.

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Speaker 2: It was enormous. The biggest petition i've ever seen hit

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Speaker 1: When this week, when will we know whether it can

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Speaker 3: Like when will we know when's it going to go

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Speaker 2: It should be next parliament. So we should find out

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Speaker 2: next Parliament whether that Scrutiny Committee has approved it to

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Speaker 1: Well, we will all be keeping a very close eye

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Speaker 3: And the fact is here.

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Speaker 1: That those numbers, I can't remember the last time that

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Speaker 1: Keesy Epiric was texting me a little while ago and

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Speaker 3: Was when Paul Henderson.

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Speaker 1: Was looking at selling too, but it didn't sell. They

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, it's a huge number of people

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Speaker 3: It's a number that you can't ignore.

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Speaker 2: It is a number you can't ignore. But unfortunately we

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have had thousands of people in Alice

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Speaker 2: It's just an astonishing you know, they're just not doing

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Speaker 1: One of the things that did pass through parliament yesterday

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Speaker 1: We now have some further details about those locations. From

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it was really disappointing. Government only gave the

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Speaker 2: And this is a government again promised to be open

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Speaker 2: for knives. It's just not true. There are zones across

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Speaker 1: I did ask the Chief Minister about this yesterday and

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Speaker 1: get a better understanding from that operational perspective. But so

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Speaker 1: what you're saying is that they can't just wand in

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so, if police have a reasonable suspicion someone has

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Speaker 1: So for example, well, some of those areas though would

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Speaker 3: So what did I mean.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that questions were asked about this or this

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Speaker 3: What did the government say?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I asked loads of questions on this, Katie and

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Speaker 2: because what I was also really concerned about, and what

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Speaker 2: not true. It first requires authorization, and then that authorization

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, well we're going to catch up, Like I

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Speaker 3: But I do just want to.

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Speaker 1: Make the point that these changes have obviously been made

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Speaker 1: this has been based on what's been they've described as

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it has been successful in Queensland, but I

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Speaker 2: think it's important to remember when you're pay legislation there

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Speaker 2: I hope it works, don't get me wrong. I hope

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Speaker 1: sure if you can step. I'm in another direction for us.

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Speaker 1: It's sorry to do it had moved at all?

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Speaker 2: Is that better?

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Speaker 3: That's better? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Oh sorry? Okay. So one issue I raised was that

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Speaker 2: if you're going to copy Queensland, copy it properly because

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Speaker 2: in Queensland, for example, around bail, they include all weapons.

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Speaker 2: And so what we know is this government have really

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Speaker 2: limited things to controlled weapons, but in Queensland they've got

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Speaker 2: much broader definitions to capture all sorts of weapons, which

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Speaker 2: is something we need here in the territory. So I

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Speaker 2: did quiz the minister on why she's picking and choosing

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Speaker 2: bits of Queensland legislation, but of course I didn't get

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Speaker 2: any answers on behalf of our community, because this government

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Speaker 2: is certainly not open or transparent when it comes to

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Speaker 2: what they're up to. But we'll see. I hope this works,

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Speaker 2: but it certainly is complicated. And my major concern is

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Speaker 2: around supporting our police to implement it, because I don't

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Speaker 2: want to see our police getting in trouble for inadvertently accidentally,

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Speaker 2: you know, being on the wrong side of whatever the

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Speaker 2: boundary is on, being a few minutes outside of the

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Speaker 2: time frame. You know, all of these details need to

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Speaker 2: be nutted out, and clearly they haven't been well.

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Speaker 3: Leaf Andochiaro.

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Speaker 1: Before we wrap up this morning, what is on the

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Speaker 1: agenda today and what's the opposition going to be focusing on.

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Speaker 2: So today we're really focused on our economy going backwards.

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Speaker 2: We in the last week had ABS data showing there

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Speaker 2: are six thousand less jobs this month than last month.

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Speaker 2: We've got data that shows from context that we've got

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Speaker 2: for the nineteenth consecutive quarter, our economy is the worst

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Speaker 2: performing in the nation. And Deloitte Access Economics, who are

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Speaker 2: the people that the Northern Territory government follow, their economic

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Speaker 2: data are showing that we have the worst dwelling start,

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Speaker 2: very poor performance. We've got the second lowest population growth

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Speaker 2: in our nation. So we're going to really be focusing

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Speaker 2: on the government who's dragging the territory backwards because we

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Speaker 2: need opportunities here. It's very important for all of our

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Speaker 2: for a strong economy so that everyone benefits and Leah.

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Speaker 1: The interesting one there is, I mean com sick the

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Speaker 1: nineteenth quarter going backwards. Unfortunately we saw it under the

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Speaker 1: previous Chief Minister, Michael Gunner. He said that he basically

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Speaker 1: chucks it in the bin when he sees those Comsect reports,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think that our current Chief Minister, Natasha

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Speaker 1: Files takes them overly seriously either.

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Speaker 3: Deloitte though.

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Speaker 1: Those reports are the ones that the Northern Territory government

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Speaker 1: also uses, don't they to actually get a gauge of

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Speaker 1: where we're at exactly?

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Speaker 2: So Treasury use the Deloitte data, and the Deloitte data

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Speaker 2: has most of the indicators pointing down and backwards. So

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Speaker 2: it's a really serious issue. This government will have you

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Speaker 2: think that everything is rosy, but every major project on

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Speaker 2: the list was there when we left government in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Nothing has progressed in that space, and we still don't

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Speaker 2: see the plan for our future going forward, which puts

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Speaker 2: people's jobs at risk, it puts the future of our

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Speaker 2: kids at risk, it it increases our cost of living,

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Speaker 2: and it creates uncertainty. And so this government doesn't have

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Speaker 2: a plan for a strong economy or our future. And

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Speaker 2: that's what we're going to be prosecuting today.

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Speaker 1: Leah Finocchiaro, we better leave it there. Good to speak

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Speaker 1: with you this morning. Thanks so much for your.

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Speaker 2: Time, Take care everyone.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,