WEBVTT - Ask Me Anything with Dr Amantha Imber: Burnout, AI, Productivity & The Biggest Mistakes Knowledge Workers Make

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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode is a little different because instead of interviewing

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<v Speaker 1>a guest, I am answering your questions because lately I

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<v Speaker 1>have been hearing the same frustrations again and again from

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<v Speaker 1>listeners and also in audiences. In the keynotes that I

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<v Speaker 1>am giving, I'm constantly hearing things like why do I

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<v Speaker 1>feel busier than ever that I feel like I'm getting

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<v Speaker 1>this done? Is AI actually helping anyone get massive productivity gains?

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<v Speaker 1>And why does every workplace say they care about well

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<v Speaker 1>being but everyone still seems exhausted. So, as always, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank you for sending in your questions. I

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely love receiving them, and in this episode I have

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<v Speaker 1>picked a bunch of them that I'm going to tackle,

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<v Speaker 1>so things like why AI is making people feel more

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmed instead of more productive, and how to stop your

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<v Speaker 1>calendar being hijacked by meetings, and why most to do

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<v Speaker 1>lists don't actually help you prioritize. So, as always, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be sharing some of my personal habits and

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<v Speaker 1>also the things that we do at Inventium that have

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<v Speaker 1>worked for us. So if you've ever finished a week

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<v Speaker 1>feeling busy but wondering what you actually achieved, this episode

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<v Speaker 1>is most definitely for you. Welcome to How I Work,

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<v Speaker 1>a show about habits, rituals, and strategies for optimizing your day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, doctor Amantha Imber. Okay, the first question

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<v Speaker 1>comes from Colleen, and she has said, I start every

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<v Speaker 1>day with good intentions, but by lunchtime I'm completely derailed

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<v Speaker 1>by teams, messages and meetings. How do you actually stick

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<v Speaker 1>to your priorities? Well, Colleen, I don't think you're alone there.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to address the thing that I reckon. Is

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon it's one of the bigger, maybe the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>barrier to productivity in organizations, and that is meeting overload.

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<v Speaker 1>As I've said many times on this podcast, so little

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<v Speaker 1>thought goes into should we have a meeting about this?

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<v Speaker 1>And little thought goes into how long should this meeting

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<v Speaker 1>actually be? And instead meetings default to thirty or sixty minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>when a lot of those meetings could be a lot shorter,

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<v Speaker 1>like fifteen minutes. And even more still, you probably didn't

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<v Speaker 1>need to have a meeting. So what we do would

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<v Speaker 1>inventim And we've been pretty strict on this since we

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<v Speaker 1>started the four day week nearly nearly six years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Now is that we aim to remove as many meetings

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<v Speaker 1>from our diary as possible, So this is mostly internal meetings. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>external meetings with clients, sales meetings, briefing calls, all those

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of things. We still do those, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I personally think that those things are best done synchronously

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<v Speaker 1>because often they're about the relationship and about the connection.

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<v Speaker 1>But internal meetings we're really strict on those. So something

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<v Speaker 1>that we default to at Inventium is if we need

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<v Speaker 1>to share information with someone else, and that information might

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<v Speaker 1>be from me a CEO, company updates or project updates,

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<v Speaker 1>given I am across pretty much all of the projects

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<v Speaker 1>at Inventium, So information updates, information sharing, like if like

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<v Speaker 1>comprehensive feedback, Like quite often I'll have a teammate I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get feedback on, say a new program or

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<v Speaker 1>workshop that they've been designing, or you know, perhaps I

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<v Speaker 1>have observed someone run a workshop and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about feedback.

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<v Speaker 1>We always default to a synchronous communication and the tools

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<v Speaker 1>that we use most for this, the main one is LOOM,

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<v Speaker 1>so loom dot com. And if you haven't come across LOOM,

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<v Speaker 1>I know some of you probably have and are using it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically software that makes it really easy to record

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<v Speaker 1>your screen, record audio, and record a video. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>great for information sharing because you can share your screen.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to share words or images, you can

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<v Speaker 1>just share a video of yourself, which is far more

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<v Speaker 1>interesting than in information update in an email.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want to get a little bit fancier.

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<v Speaker 1>Another piece of software that we use a lot at Inventium,

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<v Speaker 1>more so for information sharing externally is software called Teller.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the URL is Teller TV that I'll

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<v Speaker 1>link to all these in the show notes, and Teller

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<v Speaker 1>is just it's a little bit more fancy, it looks

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more sleek. I personally use Teller for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of client communication, Like if I'm putting together

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<v Speaker 1>a sales proposal for a client, I will put together

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<v Speaker 1>the written document or proposal, and then I will almost always,

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<v Speaker 1>i'd say ninety five percent of the time put together

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<v Speaker 1>an accompanying TeleVideo or essentially I'm presenting the information that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sharing. It's to make it a little bit more engaging,

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<v Speaker 1>because no one needs more things to read, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is what we do. So by dramatically reducing meetings, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm even I'm just going to pop into my calendar

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<v Speaker 1>now and just see how many internal meetings do I have. Look. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>all that looks like this week, and this is pretty typical,

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<v Speaker 1>is that we will have an all staff meeting on

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<v Speaker 1>a Monday, and I will have one on ones with

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<v Speaker 1>all of my team spread across the week, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>what they're doing is looking like and that is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much it. Everything else is asynchronous. Okay, let's move on

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<v Speaker 1>to the next question. Linda, I feel busy all day,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the end of the week, I haven't moved

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<v Speaker 1>anything important forward. What is going on? Well, it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like what is happening, Linda, is that your week is

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<v Speaker 1>really really reactive. You are responding to what is coming

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<v Speaker 1>through in your inbox, what coworkers or your manager is

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<v Speaker 1>asking you to do, and you're perhaps not giving yourself

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<v Speaker 1>the time to.

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<v Speaker 2>Proactively step back and think, hmm, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Is actually the best use of my time today or

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<v Speaker 1>this morning, or you know, at any given point during

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<v Speaker 1>the week. So something that I use, and it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that we teach in some of our programs that invent him,

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<v Speaker 1>is what we call the LIPS strategy. So this stands

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<v Speaker 1>for L is for list or l and a little

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<v Speaker 1>i P is for prioritize S is for schedule. So

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<v Speaker 1>how this works is that at the end of every workday,

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<v Speaker 1>you list out what the three most important things that

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get done tomorrow. Then you prioritize those

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<v Speaker 1>three what is the most important through to the least important.

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<v Speaker 1>Then schedule them in your diary, I mean time box them.

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<v Speaker 1>So book an appointment with yourself, a meeting with yourself

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<v Speaker 1>to get the thing done based on how much time

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<v Speaker 1>you think it will take. And it is a very

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<v Speaker 1>very simple strategy, but we have clients get amazing results

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<v Speaker 1>and it just helps them make sure that by the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the week you have actually achieved things that

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<v Speaker 1>align with your goals. Something else I do is I

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of experiments. I guess this is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>new stuff that I've been mucking around with. At the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a bunch of analogue index cards at my desk,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will sometimes when I'm feeling a little bit overwhelmed,

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<v Speaker 1>like I've got many many things that are going on

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<v Speaker 1>in my brain and I'm like, how am I going

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<v Speaker 1>to fit all these in? Is? I will write each

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<v Speaker 1>time gone an index card. I've then got a whiteboard

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<v Speaker 1>in my office that's got a canband board, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at it now.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's got a.

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<v Speaker 1>To do column, a doing column, a waiting column, like

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm waiting on feedback, for example, and then done.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've also got two rows. I've got it this

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<v Speaker 1>week row, and I've got a future row. And once

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<v Speaker 1>I've written all my tasks and unpacked everything in my

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<v Speaker 1>head onto the index cards, I'll map those index cards

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<v Speaker 1>onto my canband board and I try to in the

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<v Speaker 1>doing column never to have more than three cards in

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<v Speaker 1>the doing column at the one time. So that is

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<v Speaker 1>really working for me, just to get a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the mental load and stress out of my head. Okay

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<v Speaker 1>from Brennan. Everyone keeps saying AI will save us time,

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<v Speaker 1>but most people I know feel busier.

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<v Speaker 2>What is going wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>That is a great question. I think there are a

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<v Speaker 1>few things that I see going wrong, certainly with the

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<v Speaker 1>people that I speak to and the organizations that I

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<v Speaker 1>that I talk to about this. So one thing where

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<v Speaker 1>I think people get really wrong is, you know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of organizations at this stage are starting to put

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<v Speaker 1>staff through training or maybe you're an individual, an entrepreneur, freelancer,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, perhaps you've done a course online. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>you've done one of Inventim's courses because they get great results.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, perhaps you've watched some LinkedIn learning or

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<v Speaker 1>some YouTube or you know whatever, and most courses focus

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<v Speaker 1>on literacy, like here are the features, here are the

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<v Speaker 1>buttons to press. Here are like some basic ways that

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<v Speaker 1>you can use AI. And that's good, that is super important.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the that is absolutely the first and right step.

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<v Speaker 1>But where a lot of organizations I see falling down

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<v Speaker 1>is that they don't move to the next step, which

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<v Speaker 1>is leaverage. So it's one thing, for example, to know

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<v Speaker 1>how to create a GPT or an agent, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>another to actually go, Okay, how do I unpack the

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<v Speaker 1>different workflows in my day or the different tasks that

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<v Speaker 1>are really repetitive, and how then do I apply what

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<v Speaker 1>I know about AI, because I've got AI literacy to

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<v Speaker 1>actually leave reage AI and help me automate or certainly

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<v Speaker 1>make more efficient this particular workflow.

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<v Speaker 2>That I do every week or every day. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>where I see a really big gap.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I recommend if you can relate to that

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<v Speaker 1>is just start with one use case, a one workflow

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<v Speaker 1>in your life. Like, for example, one workflow that myself

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<v Speaker 1>and Jam, my assistant have is for the show notes

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<v Speaker 1>for a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't an interview like.

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<v Speaker 1>What you were listening to now, is that we took

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<v Speaker 1>the time to develop a skill in Claude that is

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<v Speaker 1>trained on how to write great show notes based on

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<v Speaker 1>the transcript of an episode. Will then work with Claude

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. And you know, typically show notes used

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<v Speaker 1>to take maybe ten to fifteen minutes to write, and

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<v Speaker 1>now you know, we can get a really great first

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<v Speaker 1>draft in thirty seconds and it probably takes you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all of three minutes of a human edit going through correcting.

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<v Speaker 2>A few things.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, and that is a twice weekly task

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<v Speaker 1>that has to happen because how I work obviously comes

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<v Speaker 1>out twice a week. So that's a really small example.

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<v Speaker 1>There are certainly ones that save me a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>time that I do every week or sometimes every day.

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<v Speaker 1>So one other thing, actually, I would say on that

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<v Speaker 1>question Brennan is think about like, you know, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying that I will save us time, but everyone feels

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<v Speaker 1>really busy. Is that for the vast majority of people

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<v Speaker 1>certainly the ones that we have surveyed Inventium and that

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<v Speaker 1>we've spoken to, the time saved is just filled with

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<v Speaker 1>more work, doing more work, and what you need to

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<v Speaker 1>be really deliberate about, and certainly if you're a leader

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<v Speaker 1>at an organization, you need to overtly say what are

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<v Speaker 1>your expectations? Like is your expectation that with all the

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<v Speaker 1>time that AI is saving us? Although that is not

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's experience that it is saving people time, but assuming

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<v Speaker 1>it is, where do you want people to channel that

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<v Speaker 1>new time? Because most people channeling it to doing more

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<v Speaker 1>work and that is leading to absolute brain fry, which

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<v Speaker 1>is something that I will be covering in an upcoming episode,

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<v Speaker 1>So that is not great. Ideally, some of that time

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<v Speaker 1>saved should be put towards just having more balance in

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<v Speaker 1>your life, particularly if you are working very long hours,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, more than say a forty hour week, as

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of us do. Some of that time should

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<v Speaker 1>be spent on actually getting time for you to recuperate,

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<v Speaker 1>rejuvenate and rock up next day feeling full of energy. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>next question is from Tammy. I know well being is important,

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<v Speaker 1>but I always sacrifice it when work gets busy.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you protect your.

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<v Speaker 1>Energy without falling behind. Okay, I love this question, Tammy,

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<v Speaker 1>because for the last year and a half I have

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<v Speaker 1>been immersed in the world of energy and energy management.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's so much that I could say here.

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously, my new book, The Energy Game is coming

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<v Speaker 1>out in July. July seven is the date, and a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of things I think are really important here. So firstly,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't time manage your way out of exhaustion, like

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<v Speaker 1>if you are exhausted, but you're thinking that like Trello

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<v Speaker 1>boards or you know, Cambin boards like I've described, and

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<v Speaker 1>just good prioritization is gonna help you get more energy

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, manage your way out of chronic depletion.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you are hitting yourself. I have tried that strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly tried it for most of twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>and it failed spectacularly. So you need to manage your

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<v Speaker 1>energy overthinking about managing your time.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the first thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The second thing I would say, it's so much more,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll just keep it too, is think about your

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<v Speaker 1>energy not just as this big blanket thing like oh

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tired, I've got no energy. Instead, think about it

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<v Speaker 1>in three different buckets because there's three types of ways

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<v Speaker 1>that we can think about the different kinds of energy

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<v Speaker 1>that we have. We've got our physical energy, so what

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<v Speaker 1>are we feeling in our body? We have got our

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<v Speaker 1>cognitive energy or our mental energy, so how sharp are

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<v Speaker 1>we feeling or are we feeling really brain foggy. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's our emotional energy, so are we feeling, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>happy and full of beans and super resilient, or are

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<v Speaker 1>we crying at the drop of a hat, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a sign that your emotional bucket is running very low.

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<v Speaker 1>So once you start to think about your energy in

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<v Speaker 1>these three buckets, and I do recommend tracking each of

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<v Speaker 1>those in the energy game, I refer to them as

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<v Speaker 1>energy accounts. So actually tracking like what does the balance

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<v Speaker 1>feel like in those three energy accounts, you then can

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<v Speaker 1>start to hone in on strategies that are going to

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<v Speaker 1>improve that specific account, like you would use a really

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<v Speaker 1>different strategy to improve your physical energy versus your mental

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<v Speaker 1>energy or your emotional energy.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is all I'll say on that for now.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully that helps. We are going to take a short break,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't go away because coming up after the break,

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<v Speaker 1>I have more interesting questions.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to answer. I'm going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Answering the question of what's the biggest productivity mistake you

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<v Speaker 1>see smart people making and also on the topic of mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the biggest mistake companies are making when introducing AI.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also going to talk about how to switch off

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<v Speaker 1>after a really stressful work day and how do you

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<v Speaker 1>handle days when your motivation is completely gone? Okay, keeping

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<v Speaker 1>on the theme of energy question from Ruth, my company

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<v Speaker 1>offers a lot of well being initiatives, but people are

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<v Speaker 1>still burnt out. What actually makes a difference, Well, Ruth,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say absolutely seeing energy management trump's time management.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that is just an absolute truth. I do

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<v Speaker 1>think that what happens with a lot of wellbeing initiatives,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you, I don't know, you've been given a

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<v Speaker 1>subscription to a meditation app or maybe you've got some

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<v Speaker 1>lunchtime yoga, is that often the problem is systemic. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it might come from leaders that have you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>unrealistic expectations of the work that can get done. It

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<v Speaker 1>maybe comes from problematic cultural norms where people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>dis the laws. In Australia, people still always feel the

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<v Speaker 1>need to respond to messages at all hours. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>a problem that I see some companies making is going, well,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to have some you know, productivity training, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great, like people will absolutely be able to

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<v Speaker 1>do their work in less time, but also make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that you are addressing those systemic issues of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>often what is the case is workload issues, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course AI complicates things more because we are simply expected

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<v Speaker 1>to do more work when we use AI. Okay, next

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<v Speaker 1>question is from Alana. How to high performers stop themselves

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<v Speaker 1>from over committing is a very good question. That is

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<v Speaker 1>also something I've thought about a lot when writing The

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<v Speaker 1>Energy Game. Again, there's many different tools that I could

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<v Speaker 1>give you here, I will say one that I find

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<v Speaker 1>particularly useful for decision making because ultimately, you know, everything

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<v Speaker 1>that you commit to is a decision. And here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I call it takeaway seven. I can't remember where I

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<v Speaker 1>first heard it, but it's very very useful. Where if

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<v Speaker 1>you are being asked to commit to a new project,

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<v Speaker 1>or do you want to be involved in this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>or do you want to I don't know, donate your

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<v Speaker 1>time to you know, this committee or whatever the case is,

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<v Speaker 1>rate that decision in terms of how excited you're feeling

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<v Speaker 1>about that decision out of ten, Like, is this opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>a nine out of ten? Is it a six out

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<v Speaker 1>of ten? Is it an eight out of ten? And

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<v Speaker 1>take away seven involves taking away the option of seven

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<v Speaker 1>as an answer, because often you know, like seven is

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of a lukewarm yes, if something is a

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<v Speaker 1>seven out of ten, you're like, yeah, I think so maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>But certainly, like in net promoter score research, seven is passive,

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<v Speaker 1>So you should not be committing to things that are

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<v Speaker 1>only a seven out of ten. So what I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to do the next time you've got a decision

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<v Speaker 1>to make, like this is take away seven as an option, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because if something's an eight out of ten, that's sounding

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<v Speaker 1>pretty positive, it's something is a six out of ten

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<v Speaker 1>that is sounding not that good. I'm certainly not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be committing to opportunities that are a six out

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<v Speaker 1>of ten. And if you take away seven out of

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<v Speaker 1>ten as an option, it forces you into going yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>nah or yeah, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a good opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>So try taking away seven. Okay from Anita, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest productivity mistake you see smart people making? And I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the I A would say the biggest productivity

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<v Speaker 1>mistake I see most people making is just constant context switching.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is worse with AI because when you're asking

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<v Speaker 1>AI to do a task, it is taking time to think,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly if you've got one of the thinking models that

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<v Speaker 1>you're using, it takes more time than the models that

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<v Speaker 1>are not thinking things through in as much detail. So

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<v Speaker 1>what typically happens, and what I observe people doing is

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<v Speaker 1>that they will they will old tab to another screen

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<v Speaker 1>or another tab in their browser. And like, the context

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<v Speaker 1>switching has just gotten a whole lot worse, like it

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<v Speaker 1>used to be bad, where we'll you know, maybe be

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<v Speaker 1>working on writing a report and then we'll feel a

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<v Speaker 1>bit stuck, and then we'll go into our inbox and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll remember, hang on, I've got this reporter right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'll go back to the report. But now

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<v Speaker 1>we're also, you know, we've got AI in the picture

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<v Speaker 1>and we're asking AI to do the thing, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not doing it instantly. So I'm like, ah, might just

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'll open up another tab with chat chapute and

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<v Speaker 1>ask it something else. While I'm waiting for the first

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<v Speaker 1>response to do its thing or you know or copilot

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<v Speaker 1>depending on what you're using.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Messing with your brain massively. Certainly, we know from research

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<v Speaker 1>into multitasking versus monotasking, when we multitask or context switch

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<v Speaker 1>our way through a day, things take about forty percent

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<v Speaker 1>longer to do. So that is absolutely the biggest mistake

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<v Speaker 1>I see people making.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I also think that people don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Do enough to really design their work environment to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>having to use willpower to stay focused. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>a really easy hack to try today is don't have

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<v Speaker 1>your mobile phone within arm's reach, which I know sounds

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<v Speaker 1>crazy because for the majority of most days our phone

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<v Speaker 1>is within arm's reach. But if it is not, just

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<v Speaker 1>it's a physical barrier in the way for you checking

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<v Speaker 1>your phone or being distracted by your phone. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>just one little hack to try it today. Okay, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you do to switch off your brain after a

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<v Speaker 1>stressful work day? That comes from Robin? Okay, so one

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<v Speaker 1>thing I found that works really well for me. So

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<v Speaker 1>at Inventum are a remote first organization, which means we

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<v Speaker 1>do not we do not have an office, although we

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<v Speaker 1>are a member of the Commons, which is a wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>coworking space, or that they've got many spaces, which I

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<v Speaker 1>highly recommend. But we all work from home and it

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<v Speaker 1>can be really hard to have boundaries and stop work

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day. So the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I found works best for me very very simple. I

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<v Speaker 1>leave my laptop in my home office. And yes, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like fortunate enough to have a separate room that is

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<v Speaker 1>my office and recording studio where I'm sitting right now,

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<v Speaker 1>but if I leave my laptop there, I find that

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<v Speaker 1>it's so much easier to switch my brain off. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the equivalent is for you. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, look, if you're like most people, you do

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<v Speaker 1>spend some days working from home. But I do find

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<v Speaker 1>just having that physical distance and leaving my work device,

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<v Speaker 1>which is my laptop, in a room that is separate

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<v Speaker 1>from where I'm going to relax, that is by far

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<v Speaker 1>the best hack that I've found. I also think that

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<v Speaker 1>having planned activities in the evening is also great, because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of us, at the end of the workday,

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<v Speaker 1>the instinct is just to collapse after you know, eating dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you know we're a parent and we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Putting kids to bed and all that sort of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and then just like you, just collapse in front of Netflix.

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<v Speaker 1>That is pretty common, but I find a little hack

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<v Speaker 1>around that. It is very simple. It's just planning activities.

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<v Speaker 1>If I have got something planned in the diary, I

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<v Speaker 1>am far more likely to switch my brain off in

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, more fulfilling way than just collapsing in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the couch. Or it might even just be

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<v Speaker 1>an intention, like you know, my husband and I might

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<v Speaker 1>set the intention that, Okay, after dinner tonight, we're actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to play a board game instead of just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>watching TV. So intentions and planned activities very very helpful,

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<v Speaker 1>highly recommend. Okay, two more questions, firstly from Marissa, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you handle days when your motivation is completely gone?

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<v Speaker 1>That is a great question. I've certainly had many of

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<v Speaker 1>those days. And some research that I find very very helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is research into the impact of taking a whole pass.

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<v Speaker 2>So a hall pass is like a get out of

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<v Speaker 2>jail free card.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it maybe gets used mostly in relation

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<v Speaker 1>to people in marriages being able to take a whole

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<v Speaker 1>pass when they want to have a night of freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's really useful when it comes to new habits.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you you know, say with work, you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to have like really productive days every single day, they

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<v Speaker 1>can sometimes be unrealistic. And then if you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a productive day or your motivations low, you can just

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<v Speaker 1>beat yourself up and just feel really crap. Hall past

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<v Speaker 1>research suggests that if you deliberately give yourself one or

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<v Speaker 1>two Hall passes a week to just go, you know, today,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just not going to be working at my best,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's totally fine.

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<v Speaker 2>It The research suggests that.

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<v Speaker 1>We will come back far more motivated and far more

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<v Speaker 1>likely to do the thing that we're trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>and in this case, have a you know, productive, motivated

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<v Speaker 1>day far more likely than if we.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't use that strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>Where where that research was born from was into habits

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<v Speaker 1>into health and well being. So one of the studies,

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<v Speaker 1>and I talk about this study in my last book,

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<v Speaker 1>The Health Habit, where they had a group of people

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<v Speaker 1>that had a daily walking goal, so a certain number

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<v Speaker 1>of steps per day, and everyone was split into two groups.

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<v Speaker 1>One group they just had to hit their step count

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<v Speaker 1>every day, which was a little bit more challenging than

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<v Speaker 1>what they were currently doing, was about twenty percent more

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<v Speaker 1>and the second group were given this whole past strategy

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<v Speaker 1>where they said, look, two days out of every week

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<v Speaker 1>for this month, it's totally fine if you don't hit

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<v Speaker 1>your goal. What they found is that the whole pass

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<v Speaker 1>group actually hit their step count goal more regularly, and

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<v Speaker 1>when they didn't hit it. On days that they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>hit it, they were far more likely to hit it

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<v Speaker 1>the following day because they weren't feeding themselves up, they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't feeling bad. So I do love the whole past

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<v Speaker 1>strategy when you're trying to do something every single day. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>final question today is from Ian what is the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>mistake companies are making when introducing AI.

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<v Speaker 2>Ian.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many, but here are a handful. So firstly,

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<v Speaker 1>giving people the software without the training like that to

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<v Speaker 1>me is just mental. You just encounter so many problems

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<v Speaker 1>when you give people Copilot without telling them, Hey, this

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<v Speaker 1>is how to get the most out of it, this

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<v Speaker 1>is how it applies to your role, this is how

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<v Speaker 1>you can think about your workflows and integrating AI into

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<v Speaker 1>it to save you a whole lot of time and

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<v Speaker 1>also augment your thinking. So that is a massive, massive problem.

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<v Speaker 1>When I think about the amount of money that people

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<v Speaker 1>are spending on licenses. Alternatively, I also see a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of very substandard training happening. There is a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>cheap and free training in AI, and I know that

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<v Speaker 1>this is ineffective because so often our phone rings an

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<v Speaker 1>inventium or our email inbox bings with organizations that have

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<v Speaker 1>gone for the cheap or free option, and it's either

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<v Speaker 1>turned people off the AI or it just they've actually

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<v Speaker 1>seen no productivity gains, so invest in training people. And certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps I'm biased, but Inventium dot ai is a good

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<v Speaker 1>place to start. Another mistake, which I alluded to earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>is just stopping at literacy like it's one thing to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how the AI works, Here's what AI is. Here

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<v Speaker 1>are some base sequays to use it to rewrite your emails.

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<v Speaker 1>Literacy is important, but you need to continue onto part two,

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<v Speaker 1>which is leaverage. How do you actually leaveage that knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>about how AI works into the specific workflows that you

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<v Speaker 1>do every day or every week. Super super important. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>drop me a line if you need help with this.

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<v Speaker 1>And final mistake that I see companies and specifically leaders

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<v Speaker 1>making is not communicating what are people expected to do

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<v Speaker 1>with the time they are saving, which is really important

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<v Speaker 1>because what people will either think and either things are

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<v Speaker 1>problematic is that, well, we just need to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>We just need to fill that time with more work

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<v Speaker 1>and more intense work because the AI is doing the

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<v Speaker 1>more menial or repetitive or monotonous work, or they think

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<v Speaker 1>that that time will be filled by them losing their job.

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<v Speaker 1>So leaders need to proactively communicate what should you be

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<v Speaker 1>doing with the time you are saving? And yes, some

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<v Speaker 1>of that will be around productivity, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it should be, you know, put into innovation and how

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<v Speaker 1>can we get better and where are new opportunities we

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we could move into as a company, or

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<v Speaker 1>that you know I could do to improve my part

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<v Speaker 1>of the business. It should be learning, learning, new skills,

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<v Speaker 1>learning and development, you know, it should be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly put into well, how do I think about actually

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<v Speaker 1>redesigning my job now that AI is helping you know,

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<v Speaker 1>potentially with a small to large amount of it. And finally,

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<v Speaker 1>how can I use that time to actually live a

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<v Speaker 1>balanced life and not be at work a crazy amount

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<v Speaker 1>of hours every week? So that brings us to the

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<v Speaker 1>end of this ask Me Anything episode. I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>you have gained one or two or maybe more useful

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<v Speaker 1>little techniques or ideas that you can put into practice

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<v Speaker 1>today or maybe take back to your workplace. As always,

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<v Speaker 1>dropped me a note with any questions that you have

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<v Speaker 1>for the next Ask Me Anything episode. I tend to

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<v Speaker 1>record them about once a quarter. And there is also

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<v Speaker 1>a link if you want to be super awesome and

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<v Speaker 1>create an audio question where, which is really simple. You

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<v Speaker 1>just pop on the site that is in the show

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<v Speaker 1>notes and you can record a question for me. That

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<v Speaker 1>is it for today and I will see you next time.

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<v Speaker 1>On the traditional land of the Warrangery People, part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Cool and Nation. A big thank you to Martin

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<v Speaker 1>Nimber for doing the sound mix.