Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week. They're right. Hey guys,
Speaker 1: welcome back to TV Reload. I want to thank you
Speaker 1: for clicking and downloading on today's episode with Alana McLean,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite humans. We actually met through a
Speaker 1: work arrangement. We co hosted her show a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, and now, unfortunately for her, she cannot get
Speaker 1: rid of me and we do this delightful podcast recapping
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. We do go deep
Speaker 1: this week on episodes twelve and thirteen. We put those
Speaker 1: two episodes together as a bumper edition. We're pretty much,
Speaker 1: i would say, three quarters through the fourteenth season, which
Speaker 1: is getting a bit scary. These episodes we're talking about
Speaker 1: today are Land of the Free and Home of the Shade,
Speaker 1: plus Cavia Catastrophe, which were both I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: going to say a little underwhelming. If you disagree with that,
Speaker 1: feel free to write to Alana and I on our
Speaker 1: social media. We will discuss the way on which these
Speaker 1: two episodes divided fans over who was right and who
Speaker 1: was wrong, including the sudden derete debarcle. I will get
Speaker 1: Alana's perspective on Garcel's villain era and if that mouthpiece
Speaker 1: comment from her was warranted against Bosma. We will address
Speaker 1: the more serious storylines, including Sutton's history with her father
Speaker 1: and Bozman's fertility journey, and if that has been interesting
Speaker 1: or a little bit of a downside to this series.
Speaker 1: We are getting plenty of chat on Kyle's reaction to
Speaker 1: Maurzio's shock paparazzi photos, what we thought of the commentary
Speaker 1: that followed, and if we should have had a cameo
Speaker 1: in these episodes to spice it up with the likes
Speaker 1: of Denise Richards, Kim Richards or even Lisa Rinner. There's
Speaker 1: so much to talk about, as you would know, and
Speaker 1: with so many inside revelations from I guess Alana and
Speaker 1: ized perspective. So guys, sit back and relax as we
Speaker 1: unpack the wonderful world of the Real Housewives of Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills Season fourteen, Episodes twelve and thirteen. What are we
Speaker 1: wearing today? Is that a schan Bra shirt?
Speaker 2: It's a little like Age Denham tunic thing.
Speaker 3: Look, it's quite.
Speaker 1: Sure, it's fabulous.
Speaker 2: It's just a little light I hear it was some
Speaker 2: like chunky sort of slides, and it's just kind of
Speaker 2: a nice, like want to be elevated when you're going
Speaker 2: to well, worst kind of a vibe. You know.
Speaker 1: The nails are perfection. And I just was talking to
Speaker 1: a goldfriend on the phone and she said she's having
Speaker 1: a bad day and I said, what are you going
Speaker 1: to do to make yourself feel better? And she said,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go and get a pedicure and I
Speaker 1: was like, ibealous.
Speaker 2: It's literally the best thing to do because then you've
Speaker 2: got the massage chairs and then you can have your coffee,
Speaker 2: and then no one talks to you, and it's the ultimate.
Speaker 1: That is my go to question is always do you
Speaker 1: talk to the nail technician? No?
Speaker 3: Never, except like not in a rude way. No, really
Speaker 3: like if they how are you? Yeah, I'm good. What
Speaker 3: color you want? Yeah, I'll have good white. Great. Then
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. I don't talk back to the hair dresses anymore.
Speaker 3: I'm too old, Oh the hairdressers.
Speaker 1: Twenty years of talking to back to the hairdressers, and
Speaker 1: I'd be like, you know, answering their questions, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I would be fine with it, except for
Speaker 1: that they break and to start talking to you like
Speaker 1: your friends, and I'm like, no, we've got it.
Speaker 3: We're on a schedule. We're on a schedule to look fabulous.
Speaker 2: I know I've got a hair appointment on Friday, and
Speaker 2: I always put it off because, look, I just don't
Speaker 2: understand how in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Where we're sending people to the.
Speaker 2: Moon, we can do heart transplants all this type of stuff,
Speaker 2: it still takes four fucking hours to get your hair
Speaker 2: colored and cut, and you are just sitting there and
Speaker 2: sitting like how has no one invented a quick way
Speaker 2: to do this?
Speaker 1: I had this girlfriend that used to get a blowwave
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day and our boss would
Speaker 1: be like, Catherine, where have you been? Have you been
Speaker 1: to a meeting? And she'd be like, yes, sorry, I
Speaker 1: had a very busy eating and you'd be like, you
Speaker 1: look considerably different to what you do.
Speaker 3: I'm all for that.
Speaker 2: I am all for that. You get that blow dry, honey,
Speaker 2: get it girl.
Speaker 1: Get it, you get yours. So we have to start
Speaker 1: by explaining to people that we were not recording a
Speaker 1: podcast last week for many reasons. We're very busy, you
Speaker 1: were very busy. So we're combining them together.
Speaker 2: It's a bumper episode and look, to be honest, they
Speaker 2: were both pretty shit episodes.
Speaker 3: So I feel like one is like doing enough justice
Speaker 3: for these two episodes. I feel like we've hit the
Speaker 3: flight spot.
Speaker 1: We in a dangerous zone of this show becoming boring,
Speaker 1: like without things like the Mauricio drop with the girlfriend
Speaker 1: of the airport. Granted, we already knew it because we
Speaker 1: are alive and humans and read everything online, so we
Speaker 1: knew that was coming, but like even that, I was
Speaker 1: like underwhelmed. Underwhelmed.
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like because they showed that.
Speaker 2: At the end of last week's trailer and then the
Speaker 2: fact they drag that right out until the last two
Speaker 2: minutes of this episode, it shows you they're reaching you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, there's just I mean apart from
Speaker 2: that and they're like, I think, my while it is
Speaker 2: and that kind of thing, there really wasn't.
Speaker 1: Much else that comment. We need to get into it.
Speaker 1: We need to get into it.
Speaker 2: I just you tell me where you want to start,
Speaker 2: because I feel like there's so much, there's so much
Speaker 2: Sutton to unpack.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to do this in reverse, so I
Speaker 1: want to ask you about how many Alana maclean's you
Speaker 1: gave last week's episode, Ah, you don't know. I gave one,
Speaker 1: Ben Norris, that's it.
Speaker 3: Oh, which one? The one with the Fourth of July party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Durrett's house where they went there in sudden
Speaker 1: just you know, she went there looking for drama, she.
Speaker 3: Fell and then the alcohol comment and all of that.
Speaker 2: I gave that one maybe two and a half, but
Speaker 2: only because I quite liked the Kyle Derete interaction where
Speaker 2: they were sitting upstairs in dereits like, what.
Speaker 3: The hell's happened to her house? It was mess central.
Speaker 3: This is making me feel better.
Speaker 1: I have just given up.
Speaker 3: I've thrown the thrown the towel. Then deit is extremely meticulous.
Speaker 4: I'm really surprised to see this sort of mess and
Speaker 4: all these boxes. It's really showing me where she is
Speaker 4: at in her life.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I wasn't coping with the mess, but I did
Speaker 2: like the interaction between the two of them that sort
Speaker 2: of showed they were sort of bonding in a way
Speaker 2: that they used to.
Speaker 3: So I'll give them an extra point for that.
Speaker 1: But I did appreciate Kyle saying something along the lines of,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm starting to feel better now that I've
Speaker 1: seen the Dere's house is a shit off.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what is happening?
Speaker 2: I was like dull, like that, Yeah, that was a
Speaker 2: really indicator that I was like, she's not doing well.
Speaker 2: That was actually quite telling because that was like peeking
Speaker 2: behind the curtain and then being like here it all
Speaker 2: is like forget the de or hat, this is how
Speaker 2: it is here. You are looked like they were moving house,
Speaker 2: which maybe she was, I don't know, foreshadowing given that
Speaker 2: the house was going into foreclosure. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: there was shit everywhere. I can't handle that tidy up girl.
Speaker 2: Someone walks into this house and she is looking for
Speaker 2: a fight. I think I should have said that before.
Speaker 2: And it looked like she was there to be like,
Speaker 2: hey girl, I am here doing you a favor coming
Speaker 2: to your fourth of July party. But what I secretly
Speaker 2: am here to do, who is just wait for any
Speaker 2: excuse to have a Barnie.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Her and Drey thing is it's just oil and water.
Speaker 2: They're just not mixing at all. And look, I feel
Speaker 2: like when Durite made the comment about the oh, did
Speaker 2: you ask if that was certain's drink?
Speaker 3: Of course it's got alcohol in it or whatever. She said.
Speaker 3: Didn't you ask certain what she's drinking?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you asked is her alcohol in it? I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm such a bitch.
Speaker 2: I did think that was kind of bitchy, because I
Speaker 2: got that she was trying to make it a joke,
Speaker 2: but she didn't say it in a joking way. So
Speaker 2: I think Sutton did have the right to snap back
Speaker 2: at her and be like, oh, you're such a bitch.
Speaker 2: But then Dury went to another level, screaming you call
Speaker 2: me a bitch in my own and now I just thought,
Speaker 2: odds on, there's no coming back from this, Sutain.
Speaker 3: I'm not looking to argue with you. I just said,
Speaker 3: don't call me a bitch in my home.
Speaker 1: For See, it was a joint kids and adults event.
Speaker 1: Durit's got her children on the water slide next to her, and.
Speaker 2: I kept thinking of the Denise Richards with the like
Speaker 2: I will be careful about bringing my kids with an
Speaker 2: earshot of this group.
Speaker 3: Yes, well that's probably why.
Speaker 1: What is she going to say to Jagger about how
Speaker 1: mummy behaved? I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of there's a
Speaker 2: lot of cussing coming out of Duret's mouth this season,
Speaker 2: and it's not it's not a classy She's like ruthless
Speaker 2: and toothless.
Speaker 1: Is it toothless with the.
Speaker 2: Cunts and the bitch and this and that and the
Speaker 2: fuck and like it's it's.
Speaker 1: All on talking point as well, was Garcel accusing Bozma
Speaker 1: of being Durit's mouthpiece a party. Stop being spokesperson, I'm
Speaker 1: not being like it looks true, which was so rich
Speaker 1: coming from multiple seasons of Garcel being a mouthpiece for sudden.
Speaker 1: How did that land for you?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: I did pick up on that, And I also thought
Speaker 2: it was interesting because people used to say that about
Speaker 2: Teddy and kyle Y, you know, so there have been
Speaker 2: other relationships where this has happened and people are like, oh, it's.
Speaker 3: A package deal. You guys just back each other up.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what they say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bos has just not got to know the other
Speaker 2: ladies as well, so it's natural that she's going to
Speaker 2: fall to Duret's sort of side on many sides of
Speaker 2: this argument.
Speaker 1: Just was Garsel's way that she said that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like she was like, stop doing this
Speaker 1: and you're like, did anyone ever say that to you? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: done that much worse than the past, Like, of course
Speaker 1: we're going to be the mouthpiece for our bestie. Of course,
Speaker 1: if we're in a group setting, in our friend group,
Speaker 1: if someone says something about a friend that we are
Speaker 1: particularly closer to amongst others, it is our duty to
Speaker 1: stand up. Garcelder's here for the very first time, is
Speaker 1: leaning into her villain era.
Speaker 2: I mean that was a weird example too, because I
Speaker 2: was like, she hasn't actually said anything bad. All she
Speaker 2: was trying to say is can we get away from
Speaker 2: the front door and like come inside for the party?
Speaker 2: So it wasn't like it was over some massive issue.
Speaker 2: She was just saying, you know, and then Garcell.
Speaker 3: Sort of took it to that place.
Speaker 2: I think Ussell I can see her trying to break
Speaker 2: away a little bit from Sutton in some respects, Like
Speaker 2: I feel like we got more of that this current
Speaker 2: episode that's just aired.
Speaker 3: I think she's she's yeah, she's.
Speaker 2: Trying to sort of test the waters out with the
Speaker 2: other ladies a little bit more. I don't know if
Speaker 2: she's going to be as in Sutton's pocket as she
Speaker 2: has been in the past.
Speaker 1: Jennifer Tilly said on Watch What Happens Live that Sutton
Speaker 1: is allowed to say that there's no such thing as
Speaker 1: Santa Claus and everyone will clap and say we support that,
Speaker 1: like we love you Sutton, and Andy Cohen very tellingly said,
Speaker 1: I wonder whether or not people are going to continue
Speaker 1: to say that by the end of the series, which
Speaker 1: I thought was shocking.
Speaker 3: Sutton can say there is no Santa Class and they
Speaker 3: were like, we love her, Mutch, she does, they love her?
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's continue watching the sitism. Equally as shocking
Speaker 1: was that I'm watch What Happens Live they had Crystal
Speaker 1: Gets on the show.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I saw a clip of these I
Speaker 3: haven't watched the full episode. Why was she there? Was
Speaker 3: she promoting some new project or something?
Speaker 1: No, she was there, like where it's a faux pass,
Speaker 1: like wearing last year's Halloween outfit for the second year
Speaker 1: in a row that outfits dead.
Speaker 3: But why was she there? Why did he invite her there?
Speaker 3: Somebody must have backed out.
Speaker 1: No, one has left at the last minute, and he
Speaker 1: was totally yeah, yeah, do we have Crystal's number anymore?
Speaker 2: Yep, Ana Marie is not free Okay, we'll get Crystal,
Speaker 2: Brandy Glenville can't come and Marie Anna, Marie Anna, Marie.
Speaker 3: That's weird, though, that is weird.
Speaker 1: I'll have to.
Speaker 2: Watch that back and see what did she say anything interesting?
Speaker 2: I mean, she didn't on the show, so why would
Speaker 2: she on two years later? And watch what happens last.
Speaker 1: She did look like she was making more of an
Speaker 1: effort to say things that were more decisive, because when
Speaker 1: she was in the show, it was like say something
Speaker 1: and have a thought, like yes with her has some conviction,
Speaker 1: and we supported you and I both supported her. You
Speaker 1: kept saying to me when we would have chats about
Speaker 1: the show, you were like, I don't dislike her, I
Speaker 1: just want her to give us more.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, and then but she never did. She never
Speaker 3: got there.
Speaker 2: And I just feel like after three years, you know,
Speaker 2: she made her bed. But maybe she'll be a little
Speaker 2: bit more like Teddy Mellencamp, who left the show and then.
Speaker 3: Sort of became a bit more vocal and had.
Speaker 2: A bit more of a stance on beings like after
Speaker 2: she left the show, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: with the podcasts and stuff, Teddy is a lot more vocal.
Speaker 1: But I don't. I've always liked Teddy. I don't understand
Speaker 1: people like when she left the show, she was more outspoken.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about? She took down
Speaker 1: LVP like LVP was out of control, and her takedown
Speaker 1: had Teddy Mellencamp's hands all over it, Like what do
Speaker 1: you want from a housewife?
Speaker 3: Like that's fair point? Fair point one one played to
Speaker 3: Benjamin Norris.
Speaker 1: Like it do you get thick of everyone running around
Speaker 1: after such? Because like, where I want to go with
Speaker 1: this is? Is that an indication of how much the
Speaker 1: others are secret of tiede of listening to Derete rant
Speaker 1: that they really should have taken Durrete's side and sat
Speaker 1: there with her and made sure she was okay, Well
Speaker 1: half the group should have. But everyone run after sudden,
Speaker 1: leaving Darite behind. And I think that's because people are like,
Speaker 1: they don't want to sit there and listen to ranting
Speaker 1: at them anymore?
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? Gosh, Sell and Kyle are running
Speaker 3: after her, not even a thought, not even a consideration
Speaker 3: from I either one of them. Now go run after
Speaker 3: a little cried. Maybe make sure you have a drink
Speaker 3: in your hand. I think in that example, Darte was wrong.
Speaker 3: She yelled at her.
Speaker 2: She was like, don't call me a bit, but she screamed,
Speaker 2: and she took it to a bit of an ugly place.
Speaker 1: You're true.
Speaker 2: The fear that you have with Sutton is because she's
Speaker 2: so unpredictable. You don't know how explosive things are going
Speaker 2: to get. So I feel like when people run after
Speaker 2: her it is to try and defuse the situation as
Speaker 2: quickly as possible before the whole thing goes to shit,
Speaker 2: which is exactly what we've seen time and time again,
Speaker 2: and Kyle has brought that up. You lose your shit
Speaker 2: in ridiculous circumstances and it goes to a really crazy place.
Speaker 3: We had the leather pants, we had the strip show
Speaker 3: where she walked.
Speaker 2: Out, We've had you know, the altercation with Kyle name name, Like,
Speaker 2: you can't pull her down once she gets to that place.
Speaker 3: So I feel like on that.
Speaker 2: Particular example, people chased after her because dereit wasn't the wrong,
Speaker 2: but they knew she was going to fire right up
Speaker 2: and the whole day it was going to go to shit.
Speaker 1: Something is always looking for new catchphrases, like I googled
Speaker 1: this before, Like Sutton's top catchphrases and then I was
Speaker 1: shocked to realize how many there were. But she got
Speaker 1: a new one in this episode that we're going to
Speaker 1: transition into, where she says, I'm tired of it. I'm
Speaker 1: tired of it. I'm tired of it.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I noticed that too, but she.
Speaker 1: Said it in that voice that we know where she
Speaker 1: talks when there's a tone that she says about the
Speaker 1: ugly pants.
Speaker 3: Jealous of what you're an ugly level?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, name them, name them? Well you did,
Speaker 1: like all of these things. She's very deliberate in making
Speaker 1: sure those little catchphrases are coming out. And I think
Speaker 1: that that's a marketable quality as to how Sutton has
Speaker 1: been so instagrammable, so exible, you know, like when you
Speaker 1: are talking about Sutton online. She has those catchphrases that
Speaker 1: make people utilize her content a little bit more. I
Speaker 1: don't know that it's forced.
Speaker 3: It's all deliberate, as you say.
Speaker 2: So when she was showing her on that new clothing
Speaker 2: label in Augusta and she was like, this is that
Speaker 2: new capsule collection. I noticed on one of the pockets
Speaker 2: it said name them, Like she had that embroidered on there,
Speaker 2: so she's doing it deliberately to try and give it all,
Speaker 2: you know, a bit more like Legs and Humer marketable,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Entity.
Speaker 2: So when she said that tired of it being in
Speaker 2: this episode, I thought, oh my god, like it just
Speaker 2: felt very orchestrated.
Speaker 1: What would be your catchphrase? I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: what you would have have you.
Speaker 2: Embroidered and if you had any to cart add to cart,
Speaker 2: I use.
Speaker 1: That, okay, Alan, I have used that in the last
Speaker 1: few weeks, and my sister was so onto it. She
Speaker 1: was like, that is like.
Speaker 2: To cart, nothing can go wrong when you add to cart.
Speaker 2: It's always a good moment, especially if you get that
Speaker 2: free shipping, you got free returns, you get nothing to lose, Babe,
Speaker 2: get that after pay working for you see Weeeland.
Speaker 1: Just as we transition, I want people to know that
Speaker 1: I am still in my pajamas at midday whilst we
Speaker 1: do this chat. That's just the kind of guy that
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 3: Is that pajamas. It looks like a nice shirt.
Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, that's probably one of the
Speaker 2: nicest shuits you've been on the podcast.
Speaker 1: This is not a nice shirt. This is fucking pajamas.
Speaker 1: This is like midday pajamas.
Speaker 3: I feel like we've looked at as we're recording. It's
Speaker 3: like a set.
Speaker 1: So anyway, let's hear.
Speaker 2: Okay, be careful standing up like that exactly fall out
Speaker 2: right near let the mouse go.
Speaker 1: Don't let the mouse go?
Speaker 3: Oh god.
Speaker 1: So this episode starts and we get to see some
Speaker 1: Jennifer Tilly content and you know, we've been celebrating for
Speaker 1: a while now that Jennifer Tilly was on the cutting
Speaker 1: room floor. But she's hosting herself a Kaftan party and
Speaker 1: could she be any more obnoxious?
Speaker 2: Also, was this episode sponsored by Cavia, Caspian or whatever
Speaker 2: that restaurant was called, But they honestly mentioned the full
Speaker 2: name of it like fifty times.
Speaker 3: I was like, this must be product placement. Did you
Speaker 3: pick up on that?
Speaker 1: And all I could see when I was watching that
Speaker 1: episode was that is definitely now on your list of
Speaker 1: places to go when you go Angele, Dorry, Robbie, We're
Speaker 1: going to Caspian.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel I feel like I understood where Kathy
Speaker 2: got the baked potato sourku and Caviat thing from because
Speaker 2: we saw that a couple of seasons ago, and I
Speaker 2: was like, what all the money in this world? And
Speaker 2: this woman's eating a potato but that's obviously from this restaurant,
Speaker 2: and it's like they're iconic thing. Yeah, Jennifer Tilly. I
Speaker 2: thought that was a reach having her like host a party,
Speaker 2: given that she's on Your Friend of and we've barely
Speaker 2: seen anything of her the last couple of episodes. Then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, she's popping up and it's kind
Speaker 2: of like her party is the glue holding the whole
Speaker 2: episode together. I thought that was a reach majorly. And
Speaker 2: the fact that she had other friends at that lunch,
Speaker 2: which we didn't get to see anything of them, wasn't
Speaker 2: like they were famous friends.
Speaker 3: I was just like, this whole thing's a bit weird.
Speaker 1: Do get fave Resnik or whatever her name is, gets
Speaker 1: paid to come on the show. It's a really big
Speaker 1: question marks because when she's on the show, she really
Speaker 1: does deliver, Like at least one moment, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like she's she's only roasted on a
Speaker 1: barbecue by one of the Kathy Kyle Kim friends. Like
Speaker 1: whenever Fay gets asked to come to a Housewives shoot,
Speaker 1: she must be like, oh, so, which one of your
Speaker 1: new housewives hates me? That's going to try and roast me?
Speaker 1: NOWT Like, I don't know, she just I hope she's
Speaker 1: being paid.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's an interesting one.
Speaker 2: I know that, Like Teddy mentioned a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago when they did that finale at Kyle's white Party,
Speaker 2: that she didn't go because she wasn't going to get paid,
Speaker 2: and that she sort of said, Oh, that's why Denise
Speaker 2: has rocked up to all these episodes this season, because
Speaker 2: she doesn't care if she gets paid. But I do,
Speaker 2: and so I would be interested to know where Faye
Speaker 2: falls in that category. I mean, she's been asked to
Speaker 2: go on the show before and she's just never wanted
Speaker 2: to do it. So and I think she is very
Speaker 2: successful as an interior designer, so I.
Speaker 1: Time for that. I don't think I can't imagine her
Speaker 1: going on the show and being a part of it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I mean the Marley corrupt Faye Resnik.
Speaker 2: That quo is iconic from Camille. Okay, every time I
Speaker 2: watch these oj Simpson documentaries and everything, I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, Bay Restink, Chris Jenna, like they were all
Speaker 2: around all around scene.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then if they wrote that book, maybe I'll read
Speaker 2: that book. I've never read that book. That would be interesting.
Speaker 1: We'll do that for book club.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, great, a lot of Ben's book Club. I'm
Speaker 2: sure many people would love to come to that.
Speaker 1: Are you like always shocked when Sutton says things like
Speaker 1: and this is definitely the episode of the podcast called
Speaker 1: Let's roast Sutton as much as we possibly can. I
Speaker 1: don't even think I have Eric's name in the notes.
Speaker 1: But you know, when Sutton said that she's going for
Speaker 1: a man with money, she was like, I need to
Speaker 1: go for I've got my money. I want them to
Speaker 1: spoil me. And I'm like, listen, you've got so much cash,
Speaker 1: like you have got fuck you money, Like do you
Speaker 1: need to be with a man that is going to
Speaker 1: spoil you like that you can afford all of these things.
Speaker 3: I think we need to find me like a billionaire.
Speaker 3: I think I'm going to go for money. Okay, I
Speaker 3: have one, that's right, But I really think I need
Speaker 3: to find a man who really wants to spoil me.
Speaker 2: Well, I think what we got to see with this episode,
Speaker 2: and that was part of it. And then also the
Speaker 2: fight that she habed to read, well, I think my
Speaker 2: wallet is you need to pick on someone with a
Speaker 2: bigger wallet.
Speaker 1: You picked at me, and I'm sorry, you need to
Speaker 1: pick on somebody else who's wallet.
Speaker 5: That's oh damn, okay okay, okay, no, no, no, no, ma'am.
Speaker 4: I cannot believe what just came out of Sutton's mouth.
Speaker 4: That's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: You think you're bigger than her. I think my wallet is.
Speaker 3: What we basically saw was her view of herself, and
Speaker 3: that is.
Speaker 2: That she genuinely believes she is above these people. She
Speaker 2: called her poor eat instead of dor eat. She you know,
Speaker 2: accused her of being poor. In the after show, she
Speaker 2: said all this stuff about her being fake and wearing
Speaker 2: all these expensive clothes that she can't afford. But money
Speaker 2: doesn't you know, in the words of the countest, but money,
Speaker 2: money doesn't buy your class. People around that table were
Speaker 2: shocked at that comment because I feel like that sort
Speaker 2: of class money type insult. I mean, that is like
Speaker 2: that is getting into really gross low territory, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like the way those women reacted would
Speaker 2: have been the same sort of reaction. I guess if
Speaker 2: it was like a race comment or you know it was.
Speaker 2: It was along those lines where people like whoa whoa, whoa,
Speaker 2: whoa whoa, Like you don't go there.
Speaker 1: It was great, doesn't matter. Why does it matter that? Like,
Speaker 1: that's what I thought was really interesting, Like someone's money
Speaker 1: and how much money they've got, Like what did they
Speaker 1: even have to do with the conversation.
Speaker 2: It didn't have anything to do with it. And the
Speaker 2: way that she said you need to stop picking on me,
Speaker 2: pick on someone else. She didn't say just stop saying
Speaker 2: rude shit. She was like, I don't care if you're
Speaker 2: talking about someone else. She was like, pick on someone else,
Speaker 2: you know. So I was like, but that money thing,
Speaker 2: she's tried to find a card to play. But I
Speaker 2: think that's genuinely how she views herself. And I said
Speaker 2: that on a couple of you know, chats ago that
Speaker 2: we did when she cut off dere when Derey came
Speaker 2: in upset saying, oh, Jagger's asked me if we're getting
Speaker 2: a divorce, and she.
Speaker 3: Was like, okay, well we've got to go.
Speaker 2: She views her as insignificant. She's like I'm up here,
Speaker 2: you're down here. We're on different playing fields. And now
Speaker 2: she's like, actually, saying what she's been thinking this whole
Speaker 2: time is that she's better than her, she's richer than her,
Speaker 2: she's more elite than her, and she's just a little
Speaker 2: peasant that needs to know bug her off.
Speaker 3: It was gross. I thought that was sick. I did
Speaker 3: not like that.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's some victim? Is it victim blaming?
Speaker 1: I'm going to get you to try and get me
Speaker 1: to understand victim blaming because I keep hearing that as
Speaker 1: a bit of a catchphrase at the moment where people
Speaker 1: talk about it. But I feel like to eat in sudden.
Speaker 1: Are both going into these situations playing the victim, but
Speaker 1: they're both equally to blame at the jibs that are
Speaker 1: going back and forward. And we've combined these two episodes,
Speaker 1: so we're combining this. You know, we're looking back at
Speaker 1: Deret's comment to Sutton last week and then we're here
Speaker 1: with Sometn's comment to Derete this week, and both of
Speaker 1: them and their pieces to camera keep positioning themselves as
Speaker 1: a victim. How are they not able to understand that
Speaker 1: both of them are being really childish.
Speaker 2: No, it's a good point that you raise, because you know,
Speaker 2: they definitely are both at fault and you know in
Speaker 2: certain situations, it's like when Dereit called Ston a bitch
Speaker 2: and this I was like, no, Sudden is in the
Speaker 2: right there, Derets in the role this episode, I felt
Speaker 2: the opposite. I thought Sutton's comments were growth and yeah,
Speaker 2: they're equally at fault.
Speaker 3: You're right. I think they're just not mixing. I don't
Speaker 3: know whether this is a little bit of force drama too,
Speaker 3: because the Kyle Deret thing is sort of on the
Speaker 3: back burner now they're kind of getting to a better place.
Speaker 3: Are they just reaching for some.
Speaker 2: Drama and they're getting egged on by producers maybe to
Speaker 2: throw some extra jabs in there. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: it does something about it. It's not feeling one hundred percent authentic,
Speaker 2: like you know, to sit down at a lunch and
Speaker 2: then you start just talking.
Speaker 3: About your wallet and your like, no.
Speaker 2: She is kooky, but like, I don't know something about
Speaker 2: It's all just a little bit strange.
Speaker 3: It's not sitting right.
Speaker 1: At this point of the series, we've seen holistically a
Speaker 1: returning housewife for a proper cameo, Like we're like a
Speaker 1: Kim Richards if this season wanted to play with the
Speaker 1: big boys and be iconic right now. Would have been
Speaker 1: a great time to have Lisa Renna come in and
Speaker 1: do something right now. Would have been a really good
Speaker 1: time to have your Brandies or you know, your Kim
Speaker 1: Richards like they's just one of those women to come
Speaker 1: in and Denise Richards like somebody to stir something up.
Speaker 1: I mean, Denise Richards could have done with a crossover,
Speaker 1: considering right now she's in the middle of launching her
Speaker 1: own spinoff Housewive series, like we could have her pop
Speaker 1: in with an upside down jacket right now to save
Speaker 1: this part of the series from having a lull, because
Speaker 1: so far the series has been good. We've given I've
Speaker 1: given an episode of five, like, yes, good times, but like,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we're at episode what are we
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen? Yeah, and I feel like if that is annex.
Speaker 3: Yes, that is how it feels. It feels very subdued,
Speaker 3: very and.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Kathy was at this lunch in her kaftan,
Speaker 2: and quite often we haven't seen Jennifer and Kathy at
Speaker 2: the same events. It sort of feels like they send
Speaker 2: one to one event, one to another event.
Speaker 3: But she was there.
Speaker 2: We didn't see anything of her except her sort of arriving. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just don't know where they're trying.
Speaker 3: To go with it.
Speaker 2: And I get that this sudden deret thing for a
Speaker 2: trailer moment has some explosive.
Speaker 3: Sort of vibes to it that you go.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait to watch next week. But then
Speaker 2: we see the moment and then there's nothing after it,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't really seem like anyone else is really
Speaker 2: that invested in the fights.
Speaker 3: Like when Sutton said that comment.
Speaker 2: About the wallet, you could tell all the women felt uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: but they didn't jump in there. They didn't jump in
Speaker 2: they didn't come to defense, they didn't get vocal, sort
Speaker 2: of sitting.
Speaker 3: Back and just sort of going ooh ooh, like you know.
Speaker 1: I wanted to defend to Rate Like then that's what
Speaker 1: I had a big problem with. To Rate was like,
Speaker 1: and where were you or whatever she said, and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, Kyle did try to jump in there
Speaker 1: at some point. I'm gonna have to dig up the
Speaker 1: audio on that and just play that right now for
Speaker 1: our own refresh of the memory.
Speaker 3: And you know, you, out of all people sitting here
Speaker 3: watching it.
Speaker 5: I'm one.
Speaker 3: I'm literally trying to.
Speaker 4: Intervene and say, you guys, I'm not dealing with somebody
Speaker 4: who actually wants to have a productive conversation, who wants
Speaker 4: to have any type of relationship, let alone a civil one.
Speaker 4: Is there anything that either one of you can do
Speaker 4: that can is there something that she can do the way?
Speaker 3: Let me need space. I'm totally good with that story, so.
Speaker 1: Quick hot topics for us. Kyle Richard's wearing the kaftan
Speaker 1: was like her dressing up as Kyle Richards from ten
Speaker 1: years ago. Did you think that, Oh my god, the moomoos. Yes,
Speaker 1: she used to wear those all the time, remember all
Speaker 1: the time, all the time, And that was one that
Speaker 1: was iconic for her, Like she wore that to who
Speaker 1: was that woman, the huntsman woman, the witch what was
Speaker 1: her name, Carlton Carlton. Yeah, she wore that to Carlton's
Speaker 1: house like iconic blow you know, showdown. So like I
Speaker 1: was like, but she just looked like, you know, Kyle
Speaker 1: Richards of old, like it was what.
Speaker 3: But with new lips.
Speaker 2: Fun fact, that's a Camilla Caftain, Australian designer. Amazing and
Speaker 2: I feel like that was probably a vintage one. I
Speaker 2: don't feel like that's a new one.
Speaker 1: None of them looked like I had them washed at
Speaker 1: the dry cleaner by the way, and they like that.
Speaker 1: Man asked to go to the caf pad party and
Speaker 1: they blew the smoke off them and we're like, okay,
Speaker 1: it's hole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to go eat a potato.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The whole thing was weird. The whole thing was so
Speaker 2: weird thinking back to it now.
Speaker 1: Who would you have go to Bosman's house as well?
Speaker 1: This is another hot topic. Who would you have go
Speaker 1: to Bosman's house? A fertility doctor or a relationship counselor,
Speaker 1: Because I would say, before you start talking about having
Speaker 1: a baby with your man, I think you need to
Speaker 1: find out with your relationship expert where your relationship is
Speaker 1: actually at. Because we've touched on it a few times.
Speaker 1: I just feel like they could have had like a
Speaker 1: group session, like forget the fertility doctor, come into your house,
Speaker 1: let's just see where you are, where you guys are
Speaker 1: actually at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's definitely some red flags there about
Speaker 2: this relationship. And I get that at her point, you know,
Speaker 2: with her age and everything, She's like, well, we just
Speaker 2: need to kind of get all the information, but also
Speaker 2: like hats off to her because I was like, hang
Speaker 2: on a second, you've been in this show two seconds.
Speaker 2: This is a very you know, intimate deep dive into
Speaker 2: your health, into your age, into so I was like, she's.
Speaker 3: Not holding back.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the brief to these new housewives
Speaker 2: is like, we need to like show it all and
Speaker 2: we need to show up quick because this strategy of
Speaker 2: the slow burn with Crystal and Anna Marie it just
Speaker 2: hasn't worked. The audience doesn't bond with them. And so
Speaker 2: even though this whole sort of sory line is a
Speaker 2: bit you know whoa like, it's pretty intense, you know,
Speaker 2: watching the fertility doctor and then he's there, but he
Speaker 2: came late to the appointment. I was like, wow, why
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been there if this woman was arriving that anyway?
Speaker 1: Bag you're late, Yeah, doctor, that is a sign. If
Speaker 1: I was wanting to have a baby and Ben came
Speaker 1: late to that, I would be I'd be like, do
Speaker 1: you want this baby? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I know, but then I they're like, oh, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: there's lots of unpacked there.
Speaker 3: But also I was like, do you know what it
Speaker 3: was do you know what it was?
Speaker 2: It evokes that same feeling as the episode a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago at Sutton's house in Augusta, when there
Speaker 2: was a lot of talk about, you know, the father
Speaker 2: passing from.
Speaker 3: Suicide and a lot of that.
Speaker 2: It was that uncomfortable, heavy, I don't really want to
Speaker 2: be watching this. That's the feeling that these Bosma fertility things.
Speaker 3: This evoked the same feeling in me.
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, hang on, I just wanted to
Speaker 2: sit down for some entertainment, and now it's in the
Speaker 2: midst of this heavy space. I didn't really I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was insightful for.
Speaker 3: A lot of people, but I just.
Speaker 2: Felt I was like, oh, I just didn't really feel
Speaker 2: like I wanted to be watching that.
Speaker 1: I just prefer some montages of fashion, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I would have just been happy
Speaker 1: for a montage of them getting around Beverly Hills, swamming
Speaker 1: around swinging their new Visace outfits. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just feel so uncomfortable with some of the decisions with
Speaker 1: this particular series, with some of the heaviness. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's making me connect to Bosma as
Speaker 1: much as a truld.
Speaker 2: I feel like I see what they're trying to do,
Speaker 2: but I think it could be a little bit like
Speaker 2: too much, too soon. You know, we were saying her
Speaker 2: name wrong up until three episodes ago, but now we've
Speaker 2: seen her like Ovary and.
Speaker 3: Her egg stacks or whatever they call it, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like it's very intense viewing, and it's very intense sort
Speaker 2: of look into her the depths of her life a
Speaker 2: hot minute in. But I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 2: all of these things that talking about and I do
Speaker 2: feel like this is a little bit more of a
Speaker 2: scatterier chat that we're having, But I think it's because
Speaker 2: there's nothing massive that's driving it or leading it. Whereas
Speaker 2: when we started the season, everything was sort of centered
Speaker 2: around this Kyle and Durrete drama and where everyone was
Speaker 2: sort of sitting in regards to that, and that was
Speaker 2: really the glue and the woven threat that was going
Speaker 2: between all the episodes.
Speaker 3: But now I feel like we've sort of.
Speaker 2: Hit this lull spot, as you've said, and we're getting like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're getting a splash of this over there, We're getting
Speaker 2: a splash of Sutton down in Augusta. We're getting a
Speaker 2: splash of the fertility stuff, I splash of Jennifer Tilly
Speaker 2: having caveat Buddy.
Speaker 3: We'll just throw shit at a wall and kind of
Speaker 3: see what sticks.
Speaker 2: That's how it's feeling to me. And I don't know
Speaker 2: how they're going to finish off the rest of this
Speaker 2: season because I feel like most of the stuff that
Speaker 2: we saw in the trailers has already played out, and
Speaker 2: it's kind of a mounting to not much staring down
Speaker 2: the barrel of only a few episodes left.
Speaker 3: So I don't know where they go from here.
Speaker 1: Well, they I think they tried to spice it up by,
Speaker 1: you know, finishing the episode with this Marizio being photographed
Speaker 1: and the Greek airport. I think it was in one
Speaker 1: of the Greek islands, you know, getting on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you know this was coming?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Do you know who this person is?
Speaker 4: I have no idea, but it's all over the internet.
Speaker 3: If you are meeting someone, why are you greeting them
Speaker 3: at the airport when you know this is going to happen?
Speaker 4: Obviously, like when someone gets astroted, you like that you
Speaker 4: don't know? Obviously he didn't know his places began, and
Speaker 4: I don't think expectedly in Europe, you're expecting that.
Speaker 1: It's been interesting in the way in which it's all
Speaker 1: been reacted to, because the biggest conversation coming out of
Speaker 1: it is who set up those photos? And I can
Speaker 1: tell you from being an entertainment journalist, nine percent of
Speaker 1: the time that a PAP has taken a photo of
Speaker 1: someone is because it's been set up. I'm telling you that.
Speaker 1: And everyone are now on board with this, and the
Speaker 1: girls are definitely on board with this because they've been
Speaker 1: papped before, and you know the fact that they've come
Speaker 1: out explaining that there is evidence that they are all
Speaker 1: being papped on purpose, do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: I think if anyone has set up that photo, I
Speaker 1: doubt that it's Marizio. I think it's that new girl
Speaker 1: that's in the photo with she's a influencer, and I
Speaker 1: think that is bank, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: even if she is in a relationship with him, she
Speaker 1: would know that having that photo would be on a
Speaker 1: huge television show, would be discussed widely amongst yeah communities,
Speaker 1: and I think it would be irresistible to just tell
Speaker 1: the perhaps to just pop up and while I wear
Speaker 1: my you know, see through overtop coming straight from the
Speaker 1: beach front cover of the movie ten with them.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, looking hot, looking so right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she had a giant pimple and was wearing you know,
Speaker 1: an ed hardy dress. No one must have be seen in.
Speaker 1: That would mean that she didn't want the photo taken,
Speaker 1: but she couldn't have looked better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it's it's great insight and I
Speaker 2: think it probably was her that set up the photo. Ironically,
Speaker 2: that delivered one of the juiciest moments of the whole episode.
Speaker 2: I think coming off the back of Kyle having that
Speaker 2: therapy session and became very evident. And we've spoken about
Speaker 2: this before, she called that separation. I think she did
Speaker 2: that to try and scare him into, you know, stopping
Speaker 2: whatever the hell he was doing, or you know, fighting
Speaker 2: for her, like she sort of alluded to in this episode,
Speaker 2: and he didn't. And now he's living this single life
Speaker 2: and he's off having a great time and she's gone, Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: the him coming back to me plan has not worked.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened with this Morgan Wade situation.
Speaker 2: It is very confusing watching how she was last year
Speaker 2: giggily like I'm getting my tats, I'm doing my thing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing all of this to now watching her being like,
Speaker 2: oh no, I didn't want to be separated. I want
Speaker 2: him to come back. He didn't fight for me. I
Speaker 2: don't know what's happened in amongst all of that. It's
Speaker 2: very confusing, but yes, this him, you know, being seen
Speaker 2: publicly kissing another woman. It definitely adds a stamp of
Speaker 2: clarity and a stamp of I've moved on in that passport.
Speaker 1: Button has very predominantly been in the media talking about
Speaker 1: the fact that she thinks this is Marizio and this
Speaker 1: is Moe's retaliation to all the Mirgan Wade stuff.
Speaker 4: It wasn't an accidental paparazzi shot.
Speaker 1: This is a planned photo. No one's going to hire
Speaker 1: someone to take that photo. Yeah they are. I've been
Speaker 1: to that airport and really, honestly, I think I was
Speaker 1: in the airport like when Jennifer Aniston was there and
Speaker 1: there was napapara and I have to ask you, like, seriously,
Speaker 1: he would have been so upset with that tattoo of
Speaker 1: Morgan being tattooed on his wife, Like that's bizarre. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Could there be a tat scenario.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a possibility that he's sending Kyle
Speaker 1: a message by allowing that photo to be taken? Because
Speaker 1: it's it's lazy, you know, it's really lazy to be
Speaker 1: in a public space like that making out with a
Speaker 1: person without talking to Kyle about it properly. And up
Speaker 1: unto this point, we've been sort of commending them for
Speaker 1: the communication in their separation or their trial separation, commended
Speaker 1: them on this, and then something like this happens.
Speaker 2: I think where Bravo has missed a trick here is
Speaker 2: letting Kyle get away with not talking about Morgan this season,
Speaker 2: because that is where there is so much confusion as
Speaker 2: a viewer that she was literally on camera last season.
Speaker 3: We saw Kyle flirting like.
Speaker 2: A schoolgirl, we saw the music video, We saw her
Speaker 2: in these episodes, and.
Speaker 3: She was talked about quite frequently. She was brought up at.
Speaker 2: The reunion, and then all of a sudden, we're getting
Speaker 2: radio silence because apparently she decided she doesn't want to
Speaker 2: talk about her anymore. But we don't understand the dynamic there,
Speaker 2: and that is adding confusion to this. Mauricio thing, because
Speaker 2: I feel like, as a viewer now I'm torn. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I kind of wanted them to get
Speaker 2: back together, but it's genuinely because then I'm watching this
Speaker 2: and I'm almost forgetting the Morgan stuff.
Speaker 3: Then when I think back to it, I'm like, hang
Speaker 3: on a second.
Speaker 2: It was fire with fire at that point, and that
Speaker 2: was fine for her, but now we're sort of looking
Speaker 2: at her like a victim.
Speaker 3: But she was out with her and I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just feel like, even if she wasn't going to
Speaker 2: be on camera, Morgan, we should still understand as if
Speaker 2: you are kind of what happened there, even if she
Speaker 2: was like, we were never romantically involved. We were just friends.
Speaker 2: And that's where it's sort of finished up. I am
Speaker 2: a straight woman that still loves her husband or whatever.
Speaker 3: But it just creates this void.
Speaker 2: Of complexity in the middle that I think, Yeah, we're
Speaker 2: getting led a little bit down a rabbit warren without
Speaker 2: all the information.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a hypothetical. Okay, you come
Speaker 1: home from Robbie comes home from work, and you say,
Speaker 1: I have a tattoo of Ben Norris's name on my body.
Speaker 1: How did it go down?
Speaker 2: I think he would laugh in my face and yeah,
Speaker 2: and then be like okay, whatever, Like yeah, first of.
Speaker 1: All, like what about one of your besties that you've
Speaker 1: been friends with your whole life.
Speaker 3: She didn't get the name though, she just got her
Speaker 3: to do it on her body. But it was a
Speaker 3: love heart or something. I don't think her actual name,
Speaker 3: isn't it.
Speaker 1: I think it's them for Morgan.
Speaker 3: I feel like she did she do an infamy.
Speaker 1: Is it's her name? Okay, we're googling this, Okay, google it.
Speaker 3: Google it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think he would just think that's wild, and he'd
Speaker 2: be like, there's more to that that that's weird, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's obviously quite a particularly.
Speaker 2: For someone who was just new into the sort of
Speaker 2: foray of getting tattoos.
Speaker 3: That's quite a serious one to get.
Speaker 1: I can't find it. We're gonna have to come back
Speaker 1: to us. If anyone is as crazy as we are
Speaker 1: and as obsessed with the show, please come for me.
Speaker 3: I think I think the point is they were very close.
Speaker 2: We were sort of seeing all these intimate moments of
Speaker 2: them together last season.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, we're not getting any of that,
Speaker 3: and we're.
Speaker 2: Left to try and put those pieces together as viewers,
Speaker 2: and it's confusing.
Speaker 3: It's just confusing.
Speaker 1: It's not normal, it's not normal behavior. And if I
Speaker 1: if Ben came home from work and I said, while
Speaker 1: you've been gone, Alana just put a love hot tattoo
Speaker 1: on in the in the delegates, and Ben, it's too far. Canceled,
Speaker 1: it's too far. You too, can't three friends anymore