1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast. It is not afraid to 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: say exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kay 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: covers all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: That is so fatch. Thank you, Welcome back to another 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: episode of Outspoken. Now, So we had a lot of 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: people dming us who spotted you in the newspaper wearing 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: your pajamas. Now you've got to explain what were you doing. Well, 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: I was in the newside but yes, in my pajamas, Amy, 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: But they were matching pajamas with my dog Archie, because 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 1: the Daily Telegraph was doing a story basically about how 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: to make your dog famous and how pufluencers are helping 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: out small businesses. And Archie of course has a devoted 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: thirty K following, doesn't he he does? He is getting 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: up there. A bit of a backstory behind this is 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: that our business, Hula Media, does pr for the Stylish Hound, 18 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: which is a dog brand. So I was pitching myself 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: as a case study for the story. So that's why 20 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: I happened to find myself in there. Anyone that's listening 21 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: that works in pr will know that sometimes you just 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: have to put yourself in the story, don't you. I 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: did die a little bit of embarrassment when I saw 24 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: the link reshared on the advertiser's Facebook page of how 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: to make your dog famous and a huge photo of me. 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: How do they get that photo of you? Because this 27 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: morning I was getting all these messages like, oh my god, 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm in the paper in my pajamas. ID I did 29 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: send them the photo, but it was along with another 30 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: collection of photos. You were making it out as if 31 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: they'd taken it from her Instagram page without your consent. 32 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: I was not. That's not like Sophie to overdramatize that. Well, 33 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: the pajamas, the matching pajamas are from the Stylish Hound, 34 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: so that's how it all ties in. I want some 35 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: matching pajamas for gg and Bentley, maybe after design your own. 36 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: I know, Well, do you have any tips for making 37 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: your dog famous? Because Shadow Dred followers on Instagram, so 38 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: if you can share your wisdom with me, all right, Well, 39 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: my first tip is you've got to start when they're 40 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: a puppy she meant to do that, She's get another dog. Basically, 41 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: just got to be consistent. So the way that I 42 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: grew Archie is following was from finding a lot of 43 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: other dog like large dog accounts and basically you tag 44 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: their photos. You've also got to be engaging with other 45 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: dogs on the Instagram page. I also think you've got 46 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: to find what is unique about your dog. So what 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: is unique about Archie is he's quite a surfy looking dog, 48 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: long wavy hair. Those are my tips. Can I just 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: put out a desperate plea for people to go and 50 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: follow my cat's Instagram because I really want to rival archiees. 51 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: I feel like it's harder to get a cat following going, 52 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: So if anyone loves cats, that's a bit of a 53 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: pop out, Aimy, because what about grumpy Cat? I know 54 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: your inconsistency. Well, ifever want to follow them. It's at 55 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: Gigi Underscore and Underscore. Bentley got to follow that. I 56 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: don't know if this is more more embarrassing than me 57 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: appearing in the paper. I'll be there next week with them. 58 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so bitter up that things still haven't been. 59 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: Great for me and Kloia. Rumors are circulating that Chloe 60 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: Zep and Mitch Orville have finally called it quits on 61 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: their five year relationship. Kate, what has sparked these rumors? Well, 62 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: things seemed a little bit off on Mitch's Instagram on 63 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: Thursday morning when he shared what he calls his Bible 64 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: verse for the day. So The quote read, sometimes the 65 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: Universe's best way to add to your life is to 66 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: subtract from it. Certain things have to end so better 67 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: things can begin. Every loss isn't a loss now. Mitch 68 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: followed up the post later in the day with a 69 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: photo of himself crying in the car, and he captured 70 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: the photo. You don't always have to be strong. Sometimes 71 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: you need to scream, cuss, throw shit, or have a 72 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: really good cry, but you always always always need to 73 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: pull yourself back together then go back to being the 74 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: badass you were meant to be now. I felt really 75 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: sorry for Mitch when I saw this photo, because he 76 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: clearly looks very distressed. However, I did think, if you 77 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: were that upset, how did you think to take a 78 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: photo of yourself? Because I think as normal people, that 79 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: thought has never crossed my mind to actually document something 80 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: so upsetting. Do you think it's because he is so 81 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: used to documenting his life being an influencer that he 82 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: didn't think anything of it. Because I have seen a 83 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: lot of influencers share photos of themselves crying and it 84 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: is always extremely confronting, and I feel like it was 85 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: even more confronting because it seems to be more of 86 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: a trend with women. You don't so much see men 87 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: posting photos of themselves crying online. That's why I think 88 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: it was a good thing, because everyone goes on about 89 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: influencers only showing the highlight reel. I think this is 90 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: really brave of him, especially as a male, to show 91 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: himself crying and being so open and raw like this. Yes, 92 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: it is a strange thing for us to wrap our 93 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: head around, but for them, I suppose it is all 94 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: about creating content and sharing the real moments in their life. Yeah. 95 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: I do totally agree, but there's a side of me 96 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,679 Speaker 1: that thinks it kind of seemed a little bit attention 97 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: seeking as well. I suppose the thing is with influencer relationships, 98 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: and I do really like the fact that Chloe and 99 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: Mitch do share so much about their relationship because I 100 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: think they understand that it's really a part of their 101 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: whole online persona. I mean, they have a YouTube channel 102 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: called Chloe and Mitch. They present themselves as an influencer couple, 103 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: so they do really give back to their followers in 104 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: terms of updates about their relationship. Like we've spoken nonstuff 105 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: about how influencers like Sammy Robinson and Nick Wheatley and 106 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: then also Madison Woolley and Jonathan Sower they kind of 107 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: hid the fact that they'd broken up and then didn't 108 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: want to comment on it. So I do appreciate that 109 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: he is commenting on it, but I feel like he 110 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: will regret commenting in such real time because I think 111 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: it's such an evolving thing that's going on with him 112 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: and Chloe. Yeah, but I mean he I suppose people 113 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: are just jumping to assumptions that it is about his 114 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: relationship with Chloe. I mean, it really does seem like 115 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: a cry for help to post a photo like that. 116 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: I suppose what added fuel to the fire was the 117 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: fact that Chloe also decided to put up her own 118 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 1: cryptic Instagram story, which she later deleted. So the quote 119 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: read stop running away from yourself, as if being alone 120 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: is the scariest thing that could happen if you're scared 121 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: of being with yourself. You'll see safety home in others, 122 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: and as long as you are not home for yourself, 123 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: you'll abandon yourself over and over just to feel safe. 124 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: You'll seek in others within yourself. After all, you can 125 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: never be a stranger in your own home. What do 126 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: you guys think of Chloe's quote? I feel like these 127 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: people must just sit around for hours on Instagram or 128 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: the Internet googling quotes that relate to their life. It's 129 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: something that Chloe Kardashian does a lot. She always seems 130 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: to find these quotes. Where did they come from? I 131 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: think when you're having a relationship breakdown, there something really 132 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: cathartic about googling quotes, and it's something that I feel 133 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: like it's a lot of teenage girls share these sorts 134 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: of quotes. But the thing is, Chloe posted the other 135 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: day that she hasn't even been using her new iPhone, 136 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: that she's been using an old phone that doesn't even 137 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: have the Internet. Yeah, so that was so random. So 138 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: she said that she has been using a phone that 139 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: doesn't have social media apps, doesn't have the Internet. It's 140 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: kind of a I mean, it's somewhat similar to her 141 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: sister using the tablet as a phone, but that's for 142 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: other sounds like it's for other reasons. But I mean, 143 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: I thought, if your job is a social media influencer, 144 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: how the hell are you not bringing your phone around? 145 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I'm detoxing, this is your job. M Well, 146 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: I don't think this relationship breakdown is coming as any surprise, 147 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: because Mitch did share an update on the couple's YouTube channel. Now, 148 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: if you want to refresh your memory, think back to 149 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: when he was talking with a mouthful of toast with avocado. 150 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: It kind of stole the show. But in the video, 151 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: he did say that things weren't great between him and 152 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: Chloe and they were going they've really been going through 153 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: it since they had Artie, and he basically said that 154 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: the romance has gone in their relationship and it wasn't 155 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: really a strong element of their relationship to begin with, 156 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: but the last fews had been particularly tough, but they 157 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: were working through it now. It also came about that 158 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: they actually weren't sharing a bedroom, that Mitch had actually 159 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: been relegated to the movie room and were sleeping in there, 160 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: which is quite far away from the couple's main bedroom. 161 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: So they hadn't really touched upon how their relationship was going, 162 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: but it did seem like they were back on track 163 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: in their YouTube videos. I think they've had a pretty 164 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: hard couple of weeks, haven't they, Since all of the 165 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: I suppose media storm around Chloe Zep's anti vac sentiments 166 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: came out as well, that kind of been good for 167 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: them as a couple. Yeah, Well, they have been Mia 168 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: on YouTube since that incident a couple of weeks ago, 169 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: and Mitch actually shared a post on his Instagram on 170 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: Sunday and it was a photo of himself carrying his son, 171 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: Aarti and he wrote, ps, no YouTube video tonight, taking 172 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: a little step back being a beautiful thing. Lots of growth, 173 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: love and family time. Be back soon. So even on Sunday, 174 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, Chloe and Mitch were fine. 175 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: So I do wonder what's happen in the last couple 176 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: of days. Well, as you touched on before, Kate, Chloe, Mitch, 177 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: they have been really open about their relationship and their 178 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: journey as young people going through such a long term relationship, 179 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: and it's only in the last couple of years that 180 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: things have got really serious or their life has changed. 181 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: Because I mean they're really young. Chloe's only twenty two, 182 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: Mitch's twenty five, and around two years ago they actually 183 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: broke up, but since then they have really seen back 184 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: on track. The public really seemed to appreciate when they 185 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: opened up about experiencing a miscarriage together, and soon after 186 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: they fell pregnant with their son, Artie, and it wasn't 187 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: long before they also bought a mansion together on the 188 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: Gold Coast, so they seemed really stable. But as you said, 189 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: for the last couple of weeks, there have been a 190 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: few little signs that things may not be right between 191 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: the pair. Well, it was only a couple of weeks 192 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: ago when Chloe shared some photos from Artie's first birthday party, 193 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: and the photos were so cute. He had this very 194 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: elaborate Winny the Pooh themes birthday party, and they seemed 195 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: really happy in the polk. I mean, I suppose that's 196 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: Instagram for you. You never really know what's going on 197 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Well, at the time of recording this, 198 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: the latest update we've seen of Chloe was on Thursday night, 199 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: so she shared a quote about Mercury being in its 200 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: pre shadow period, which is apparently more challenging than mercury 201 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: being in retrograd. I love that you pretend to know 202 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: what that actually means. Like I've had a bit about it. 203 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: Doesn't everything go weird? Like don't all these weird things 204 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: that happening in your life? The quote said that the 205 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: universe is giving us permission to slow down, think twice, 206 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: and revisit. It's time to be intentional about the decisions 207 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: we make. And on Friday morning, Mitch's Bible verse read 208 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: did you really have a bad day or did you 209 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: have ten to twenty minutes where you let your thoughts 210 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: run undisciplined which led you to a bad vibe that 211 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: you let carry you away. Come on, bro, you run 212 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: this shit, pay attention. See that's the thing to me. 213 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: It seems like he's now trying to pass it off 214 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: as oh, I just had a bad day, whereas last 215 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: night it seemed it was, you know, the end of 216 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: their relationship. So that's why I'm thinking, perhaps you would 217 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: regret putting a photo of yourself balling your eyes out 218 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: in your car. Yeah, but he's always on about motivation 219 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: as well. Maybe he's saying to everybody, you can learn 220 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: from this, you can be upset the day before, and 221 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: then you can get on top of it and move on. 222 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm a little bit over these Bible quotes. 223 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: I know a little bit over the preachiness of it, 224 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: because while I respect that Mitch is trying to suppose 225 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: be motivational to others, I just think it's it doesn't 226 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: seem like a good idea when he's clearly going through 227 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: a lot himself. But do you notice that if you 228 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: think about all the people that you know in your 229 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: life that are on Facebook, it's always the ones who 230 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: are having a bad time that post the motivational quotes. 231 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god, te Central, are you've This week? A 232 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: clip of US mummy blogger Jordan Cheyenne posing for a 233 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: YouTube thumbnail with her son went viral for all the 234 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: wrong reasons. The incident resulted in the thirty year old 235 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: permanently deleting her YouTube and Instagram account and vowing never 236 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: to have her son appear on it ever again. Kate, Firstly, 237 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: who is Jordan Cheyenne? Well, Jordan is a well known 238 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: US influencer with over five hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube 239 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: and over one hundred and thirty thousand on Instagram. She 240 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: was originally known for her beauty and style vlogs, and 241 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: more recently she's become well known for being a mummy blogger. 242 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: Her YouTube channel has become more of a staged family 243 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: account which contains all sorts of very cheesy drama. And 244 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: I feel like these channels are incredibly popular over in 245 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: the US and the UK, not so much in Australia though, 246 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: because I've never heard of her before this incident. Now, Amy, 247 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: can you run us through what went down this week? Yeah, 248 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: so this week Jordan shared a YouTube video which she 249 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: entitled we Are Heartbroken, and the video sadly revealed that 250 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,479 Speaker 1: their puppy had contracted PAVO, which is a highly contagious, 251 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: often fatal disease found in dogs. Now this wasn't the 252 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: news though that got everyone talking, so at the end 253 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: of the video, Jordan forgot to edit out her son 254 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: and her posing for the thumbnail picture at the end. 255 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: So in the YouTube world, a lot of influencers will 256 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: video themselves pulling different faces in their video, which they 257 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: will then later screenshot to use as a thumbnail picture. 258 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: And we never normally see this process, but I do 259 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: remember that Shany Grimman and Michael Finch used to joke 260 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: about posing for their YouTube thumbnails, but that was obviously 261 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: all in good fun. This clip was not meant to 262 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: be included in the YouTube. So people will know. Thumbnails 263 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: are really important on YouTube because it plays a big 264 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: part in determining who was going to click on your video. 265 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: It's basically like, yeah, it's basically like YouTube clickbait. Yeah 266 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: it is. So sometimes the more dramatic the thumbnail is, 267 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: the more likely someone will click on it. So this 268 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: very disturbing clip was left at the end of Jordan's video. 269 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: If you could prove for us, we appreciate it. Come 270 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: come closer for the video. Closer, I'm closer, I'm closer. 271 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 2: You put your headright hair unles, I was done. Put 272 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: your head on here. Act like you're crying, quick right. 273 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: Like this. Mom, she's usual. 274 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: No, I know, but go like this for the video 275 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: like this. Put one hand up like this. 276 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: No, go like this. 277 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: Put your hand like this. But let them see your mouth. 278 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: Let them see your mouth. I don't love that. 279 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: Lie she crying. 280 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: Look at me, Look at me, Look at me, Look 281 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: at me, look at me. I know, look at me, 282 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: look at me, Look at the camera, Look at the camera. 283 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: Okay, it's okay, Okay. I found this clip really disturbing 284 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: and I felt kind of dirty watching it. Kate, you 285 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: sent it to me and you thought it was kind 286 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: of funny. Yeah, I couldn't help but laugh when I 287 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: watched the video. I have to admit I hadn't seen 288 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: the whole vlog and didn't really understand what was going 289 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: on in the video. So maybe if I had known 290 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: more about the dog's health, maybe I wouldn't have found 291 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: it so funny. But I just it just cracked me 292 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: up because it's kind of what I imagined would happen 293 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: when those sorts of thumbnails recorded with children, and then 294 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: it just sort of proved everything I thought. I think 295 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: it was more so it was kind of funny in 296 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: a cringe way because you're like, oh my god, I 297 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: can't believe they left this on, Like this is so 298 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: messed up. See. I didn't find it funny in the slightest. 299 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: I thought it was really sickening, especially as someone as 300 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: we know, as you said at the start, I'm obsessed 301 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: with my dog. I don't think that this child was 302 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: so upset about their puppy being sick, and this child 303 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: is wanting attention you could see that he really wanted 304 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: attention from his mum and her to comfort him, and 305 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: all she's doing is trying to make him act for her. 306 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: It just was so stage mummy, well she was trying 307 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: to ham it up. Was it was so appalling. And 308 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: the thing that's really scary is if this clip hadn't 309 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: been included, how long was she going to continue to 310 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: treat her son in this way. Well, it does make 311 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: you think about what sort of psychological effect it would 312 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: be having on her child, particularly when every life moment 313 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: and this is a sad life moment when your dog sick, 314 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: is actually being used as a clickbait moment on YouTube 315 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: and Instagram, and it would really mess with a child's emotions, 316 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: particularly when they're told to cry on cue for a 317 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: photo and they're told to perform. It was already crying. 318 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: It was the mom didn't even care that he was crying. 319 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: You kept saying, but I am crying, like I'm genuinely crying. 320 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: She's like, you know, make it more over the top, 321 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: hold your hand on your face, and it's like what 322 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: it was so distabing because prior to her posing for 323 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: the thumbnail photo, she was really you know trying to 324 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: pull at the heartstrings of the people watching, and then 325 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: to be able to see her flick that switch when 326 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: she thought she was sort of no longer being filmed 327 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: for the video. I mean, really messed up. It's so 328 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 1: sickening for someone to use their dog's sickness in an 329 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: attempt to generate views, But then it's even more disgusting 330 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: to make your child perform for those views as well, 331 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: when that child is so clearly upset and destroyed by 332 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: the situation. Unsurprisingly, Jordan received a lot of backlash for 333 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: this video, and she broke her silence on the Today 334 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: Show in the US. She told them what she did 335 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: was disgusting and inexcusable, but not uncommon for people who 336 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: put their children on YouTube. So she went on to say, 337 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: I want people to know that I've deleted my channel. 338 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: People think I deactivated my channel, but I deleted it. 339 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: I have no sponsors, no pay, no monetization. I've given 340 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: up all of that to be behind the scenes and 341 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: extremely present with my child and get us both into counseling. 342 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: She also offered a really interesting insight into the world 343 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: of mummy bloggers and family channels, telling the Today Show 344 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of coaching going on behind the 345 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: scenes of family accounts on YouTube. She also confirmed her 346 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: son will never be on YouTube again, saying, of course 347 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: people will have their kids ham it up behind the scenes. 348 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: They're like, do this and I'll give you a treat. 349 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: It's so wrong and I can't even say how disappointed 350 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: in myself I am. I want to be clear, I 351 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: have no excuse, but I think it opened a conversation 352 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: for how a lot of people might be running their channels. 353 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: But what do you guys think about her statement? I 354 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: like the fact that she has actually deleted her account 355 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: and said she vowed never to have her son return 356 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: to the platform. However, I feel like she is trying 357 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: to excuse her behavior by saying, well, everyone else does it. 358 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: And while I feel like she probably is right that 359 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: everyone else is coaching their children, there is a bit 360 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: of a line. There's a difference between saying, oh, hey, 361 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: come and play this game while I film you on camera, 362 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: whereas making your child cry on cue. That's a bit different. 363 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: I also think it's interesting that she chooses to appear 364 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: on a large morning show program when she's saying, oh no, 365 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: I'm not after attention anymore. I'm taking her behind the 366 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: scenes look like, why not just post a comment or 367 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: a statement up on your Instagram account and then just disappear. 368 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: But she kind of had to because it's big news, 369 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: Like this video has gone completely viral, and I think 370 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: if she came out on YouTube and made a comment 371 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: or on her Instagram, people would say, oh, well, she's 372 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: you know, she's only back on there for views. I 373 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: think it probably was. And I actually think, you know, 374 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: her behavior was so disgusting, But I actually thought her 375 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: apology was pretty bang on. And I don't think she 376 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: was trying to excuse her behavior by saying other people 377 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: do it. I think she was genuinely saying, Wow, the 378 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: world of mummy bloggers and the world of family accounts 379 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: is pretty fucked up. I just don't know what happens. 380 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: And she and the fact that she used to be 381 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: a bit of a beauty influencer, she's obviously transitioned into 382 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: this space after having a child. Maybe it's opened her eyes. 383 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: We see so many YouTubers trying to make that transition. 384 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: We've seen Chloe's you know, go into motherhood, Sarah's day, Like, 385 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: there are quite a few influencers who are trying to 386 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: transition into that mummy blogger space, and I feel maybe 387 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: that there are a few of them that are having 388 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: light bulb moments like this woman has had in a 389 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: very terrible way, because there's a difference between I suppose 390 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: exploiting your own personal life and advertising things, but it's 391 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: very different once you bring a child into the mix, 392 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: because they don't have a say in it. I mean, 393 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: this child has gone viral. This is something that kids 394 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: in his class. You know, when he's eighteen, he's going 395 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: to be on the internet still being forced to cry. 396 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: I feel like there's going to be a lot of 397 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: psychologists out there working with children that have been on 398 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: YouTube family channels. I don't give it's one fucking sauce. 399 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: I told you to check the by. 400 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: I told you, are you fucking kidding by? 401 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: I said, I checked the bag and I saw one 402 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: week so aside his consumed they would have given us 403 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: ray like ass. 404 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 3: No, that McDonald's never gives you bullshit. That wow, that 405 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 3: McDonald's never gives you what. I asked you to check 406 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: the bag. I literally asked you, Oh my god, that's breaking. 407 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: You feel sick, like I don't even want to eat. 408 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 3: I'm pissed off and I pay for it. Fuck babe, 409 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 3: I literally asked you to. 410 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: Check the bag now. Before we get into the next segment, 411 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: we do want to issue at trigger warning because we 412 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: do discuss issues relating to domestic violence and sexual assault. 413 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley has apologized for what she says was a 414 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: poor choice of phrasing after joking that she won't take 415 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: no for an answer if she wants to have sex 416 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: with her boyfriend and baby daddy. Locky war Sophy, can 417 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: you talk us through exactly what happened? Well? Last week, 418 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,239 Speaker 1: Sky took part in a Q and A on her 419 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: Instagram story and chose to respond to a follower who 420 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: asked who is more dominant in the bedroom? So Sky 421 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: I responded by writing, ha ha ha ha me but 422 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: only when he mad and says he doesn't want to 423 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: have sex. Ain't nobody telling me no? I won't take 424 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: no for an answer if I want seshei time now. 425 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: Sky followed it up by adding a poll to her 426 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: Instagram story and asking her followers if they can relate 427 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: to her situation. So the choice of responses was one 428 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: hundred percent or I feel rejected. What was the result 429 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: from that? Poll or do we not know? Because I'm 430 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: pretty sure Sky would have deleted it pretty quickly. I 431 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: think that it was quickly removed because it really didn't 432 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: take long for Sky's post to be screenshotted and circulated online, 433 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: and it has been also widely reported in the Herald 434 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: Sun News dot com and the Daily Telegraphs. So many 435 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: followers were appolled by the comments, labeling them as disgusting 436 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: and triggering. On Twitter, one user questioned her comments and wrote, 437 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: so rape. How does Sky Wheatley still have a platform 438 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: with the disgusting thing she posts? This makes me so sick. 439 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: Clementine Ford also used her platform to condemn Sky's comments, saying, 440 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: one of the terrible legacies of the patriarchy is the 441 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: belief that men can't be subjected to sexual assault or 442 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: cohersion when the perpetrator is a woman. Well, I had 443 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: a look at social blade and Sky Wheatley currently has 444 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: six hundred and seventy three thousand Instagram followers, but in 445 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: the past thirty days, she's lost more than four thousand, 446 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: eight hundred followers. Just to put it into context, I 447 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: had to look back and Georgia Love for her online 448 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: comment about the Chinese takeaway store. She lost four hundred 449 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: and twenty followers. However, Nadier Bartel in the past thirty 450 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: days has gained twelve thousand and sixty followers. So it's 451 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: really interesting to compare Yeah, the scandals. It's a scandal. 452 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: It really does shock me because I feel like, firstly, 453 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: Georgia Love's racist post, you would have thought she would 454 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: have lost a lot more followers than four hundred and twenty. 455 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: And then you've got someone who's not only publicly taken 456 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: a legal d but actually broke down strict Melbourne lockdown 457 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: rules and put other people's health at risk, and she 458 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: has gained followers. And I actually think if Nadia Bartel 459 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: had only been caught out for breaking the lockdown rules 460 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: she would have had she would have received more backlash 461 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 1: if she hadn't have done the drugs, because I think 462 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: people are kind of like, oh, what a bit of 463 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: she's a bit of a ledgend now for doing the 464 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: drugs now in the same vein, I think that this 465 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: is why people continue to follow Sky Wheatley because she 466 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: is so controversial. You only have to look at some 467 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: of her past indiscretions to see that we're going to 468 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: quickly run through some of these indiscretions, but if you 469 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: want to hear about them in more detail, we did 470 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: cover them in an episode we did last October, which 471 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: we will leave in the show notes. So one of 472 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: the most notable incidents was in twenty nineteen when Sky 473 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: posted a video to her YouTube channel where she said 474 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: that she lacked empathy for women involved in domestic violence situations. 475 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, she also lost her license to drink driving, 476 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: and it wasn't the first time, as she also lost 477 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: it in twenty thirteen. More recently, she's been called out 478 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: for racial comments. So when she was discussing the paternity 479 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: of her baby, she asked her partner LOCKI how he 480 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: would react if she gave birth to a chocolate baby. 481 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: She went on to say that she's not racist and 482 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: loves people regardless of whether they are tanned, caramel, or albino, 483 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: and it doesn't end there. In another vlog, she spoke 484 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: about the streaky tan she had on her hands and said, 485 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: I apologize. I'm not a naturally tanned Aboriginal. I wish 486 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: I was, but unfortunately I'm not. Now. In last October, 487 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: she was also accused of cultural appropriation when she shared 488 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: a sponsored post of her self dressed in a traditional 489 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: Chinese inspired dress by Boohoo, and to top the look off, 490 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: she had Japanese inspired buns. The confusion was there because 491 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: she thought that it was actually a Japanese inspired dress 492 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: and she captured the photo eating Japanese cuisine, feeling very Japanese. 493 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: Now her partner did not make things better for her. 494 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: Lockie replied to a lot of the backlash, saying, fuck me. 495 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: You see he's a sensitive This shit was never an 496 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: issue when we were trading Pokemon cards. Wow, gosh, Sophie, 497 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: I feel like you need a drink of water after 498 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: going through all of those controversies. I feel like I've 499 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: almost got to lie down after reading through all of that. Now, Amy, 500 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: I think that the reason why so many people are 501 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: furious is because people feel like her apologies are not genuine. 502 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: They say that she doesn't seem to have learnt from 503 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 1: any of the mistakes she's made in the public eye. Now, 504 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: can you run us through this apology she did put 505 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: out because to me, it sounded like it was written 506 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: by a pr professional, because it didn't sound like her tone. No, 507 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: it didn't sound like Sky's tone at all, so it said, 508 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: just want to jump on and address one of my 509 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: comments made on my Q and A last night and 510 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: my poor choice of phrasing. Lachlan and I have a healthy, 511 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: balanced sexual life. I have never been in a situation 512 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: with Lochland where he hasn't done anything he hasn't wanted 513 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: to sexually, or vice versa. At no point did I 514 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: ever do anything to another human being that they don't 515 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: consent to. We practice consensual sex, and I'm deeply sorry 516 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: for my poor choice of phrasing when it comes to 517 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: mine and Lachlan's sex life. I have never put any 518 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: man or woman in a position where I have manipulated 519 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: them to have sex with me. I understand my words 520 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: were extremely insensitive and triggering, and I am truly deeply 521 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: sorry for that. I am ashamed to have posted that 522 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: without even considering the effect it could have on my followers. 523 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: I should be less impulsive and more thoughtful when posting 524 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: something to my large following. I take full responsibility and 525 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: I am one hundred percent committed to making sure I 526 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: step forward to make better decisions of what I say 527 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: in the future. It's funny because I saw people bagging 528 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: out this apology online. But from a PR perspective, I 529 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: thought it was a really good apology, and I thought, 530 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean, as we said, it clearly wasn't written by her, 531 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: but I think it really hit the key points that 532 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: you want to make in an apology. I think it 533 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: all comes down to how Sky now acts moving forward, 534 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: because we've seen she has had redemptions from a lot 535 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: of these sorts of PR disasters, and I think it's 536 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: because people don't really expect much from Sky. She has 537 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: come from reality TV, and she was really young when 538 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: she first became famous, and she was kind of known 539 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: as a bit of a ditsy blonde, and I think 540 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: that's sort of carried through throughout her Instagram career. I 541 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: think it's important to note that Lockie has also weighed 542 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: in on this discussion. I actually agree with Kate that 543 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: it was a good apology in the scheme of influencer apologies. 544 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: If you compare it to Nadia Bartel's apology and also 545 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: Georgia Love's apology, I think this one was one of 546 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: the better ones. I thought Nadia's was good too, though. 547 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: The thing is, I feel like there is this view 548 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: amongst society that we cannot forgive even when somebody does apologize. 549 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that people have to instantly forgive 550 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: Skuy Wheatley. Of course you can remember what she's done, 551 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: but it there seems to be this trend of people 552 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: will apologize and it's never good enough. But how many 553 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: times do we have to accept her apology over these things. 554 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: The reason why people are so furious is because she 555 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: keeps throwing out these apologies but then doing the same thing, 556 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: and a lot of people didn't feel it was genuine 557 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: because the second she made these comments, she was trying 558 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: to downplay what she said. By now suddenly she realizes 559 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: what she's done wrong. I do get it, because she's 560 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: obviously done it so many different times, and it seems 561 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: like she hasn't learned from any of her mistakes. But unfortunately, 562 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: she just doesn't seem to have educated herself on what 563 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: to say. Then don't say that you're gonna go educate 564 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: yourself and you're gonna do better and they're not, because 565 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: then you can't keep reeling out these apologies that say 566 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: you're going to do all this work in the background, 567 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: and then you don't. Because I think it comes to 568 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: a point where people are willing to forgive if it 569 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: seems genuine. However, in this case, there's been a string 570 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: of incidences and there hasn't been a lot of learning 571 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: and improvement in behavior. I just wanted to finish up 572 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: by reading a statement out from Lockie, which is Skuy's partner, 573 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: and he wrote on his Instagram on Wednesday night, I 574 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: can't believe I have to come on here and address 575 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: this on my behalf. Don't fucking message me asking if 576 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm okay. Come on guys, Honestly, our sex is always consensual. 577 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: What Sky posted was worded in correctly, please stop harassing us. 578 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,959 Speaker 1: The thing that I don't like about Lockie coming out 579 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: with this comment is it's so conflicting to what Sky wrote. 580 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: Sky's sitting there saying I'm taking this seriously, but then 581 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: almost her partner is seemingly echoing what she perhaps is 582 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: thinking in the background, but she can't actually say yeah. 583 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: And I think this is a common thing for influencers, 584 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: because you usually see they write an apology and then 585 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: all their friends jump in the comments and kind of 586 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: contradict what's been said, and they seem to reflect back 587 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: what the influencer is really thinking, but aren't allowed to say. 588 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: I think that's all we have time for. 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