1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Sarah's Day's 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: controversial campaign launch, Sky Wheatley defends her son's bedroom makeover, 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: The Boyfriends of Instagram's Business Battle, and Our Friday Debrief. 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: But First, Kate. Mollie May has revealed she recently turned 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: to chat gpt for advice after a two year old daughter, Bamby, 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: bit a child at daycare. 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. So. 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,959 Speaker 1: In her recent vlog, Molly was pretty apprehensive to talk 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: about the incident because she's been copying a lot of 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: backlash about sharing her takes on parenting, and she also 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: thought it was a little bit controversial to use AI 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: to help parent her child, but she joked that she's 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: getting used to it now seeing as though controversial was 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: currently her middle name after being a month for four months. 17 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: I have no judgment when it comes to someone using 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: chat gpt for advice about their child. Oh, it's like 19 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: my our third parent currently at the moment. So Mollie 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: shared how she got a call from daycare telling her 21 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: she had to come and collect Bamby early because she 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 1: had bitten a child, and according to Molly, the news 23 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: didn't upset her because there is a biting pandemic going 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: on at the daycare center, and she said it was 25 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: only going to be a matter of times before Bambi reciprocated. 26 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: The funniest thing about this story is what Molly actually 27 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: asked chat gipt's advice on. So she wanted to know 28 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: how she should discipline Bambee, specifically if she should take 29 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: her out for ice cream afterwards, yeah, because it's usually 30 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: a part of their Friday afternoon tradition after daycare. Mollie 31 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: conceded that the advice chatchept gave her was really really incredible. 32 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: This is what she said, got. 33 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 3: Some really really incredible advice at two and a half. 34 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 3: Consequences need to be immediate and directly linked their behavior. 35 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 3: If the biting happened in the morning and the ice 36 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: cream date is hours later, she is unlikely to connect 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: the two in her mind. If you cancel the treat 38 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: and say it's because of the biting, she may not 39 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: fully understand and it could just feel random or like 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: you're being mean for no reason. Holding a separate nice thing, 41 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: it's more effective to address the behavior in the moment, 42 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 3: at nursery or as soon after as possible. 43 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: You know how everyone says, when you grow up, you 44 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: realize that your parents didn't know how to do anything. Yeah. 45 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: Can you imagine, bamby watching this back and realizing that 46 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the parenting advice came from AI? Yeah, 47 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty funny. I mean, hats off to 48 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: our parents who didn't have AI or Google and had 49 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: to work out what to do on their own. Accord, 50 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 1: I have to admit chat GPT has a choke hold 51 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: on me, not just for parenting but for everything in question. 52 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: And I know people are gonna lecture me on the 53 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: environmental impact of using it, but I ask it questions 54 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: on the daily. The only thing that irritates me about 55 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: your love for chat GPT is it used to call 56 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: it chat gtp Oh. I know I still get that 57 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: in my head. Sometimes I'm gonna blame my husband, Reaes. 58 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: He's the one that used to say it like that. 59 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: I have been using chat GPT recently to create bedtime 60 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: stories for Harry or They're so funny, They're so the 61 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: only about I felt really guilty though. I saw this 62 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: morning the ABC had an article up about all these 63 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: authors who have said chat GPT's been stealing their work. 64 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, rips it from other people. Yeah, it's actually 65 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: incredible because I read out this story yesterday at family 66 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: dinner and my dad's like, did you come up without yourself? 67 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it's chat gpt. Well you really personalized it, 68 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: like there were some in jokes in the story. I 69 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: have been using chat gpt to redesign my living room. 70 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: We're not actually planning to do anything at the moment, 71 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: but I wanted to see what it could do, and 72 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: it's actually been really shit, Like really, yeah, the designs, 73 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't work. It's not even in the same layout. 74 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: So stealing the right work from the right person. Yeah, 75 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: so I think interior designers and architects are safe for now. 76 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: Do you know what I got it to do the 77 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: other night was And please, if anyone knows my husband Dale, 78 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: don't tell them. I'm getting him this for Father's Day. 79 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: But he loves Pokemon and I've seen on TikTok you 80 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: can buy personalized Pokemon cars. Yeah they're cool, they're so expensive, 81 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm making my own. I'll have to share 82 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: it online and I got chat gpt to turn a 83 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: photo of Dale and Harry into anime and it looks 84 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 1: so good. Now back to the world of Molly may 85 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: Now do we call him boyfriend, say baby daddy? They 86 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: used to be fiance. They just call him Tommy. Yeah. 87 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: Tommy Fury has opened up further about his drinking problem 88 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: on his three part BBC docuseries Tommy, The Good, The Bad, 89 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: The Fury. So he revealed he actually doesn't remember what 90 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: it felt like when Molly walked out on him with 91 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: their daughter because he was drunk at the time. 92 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 93 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: I saw that grab and I was like, that's really sad. 94 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 95 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: So in the first episode of the series, he said, 96 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: I woke up, I was like shit, and I was 97 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: listening to probably the silence of the house for like 98 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: an hour. I was like, fuck, and that was the 99 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: last time they've been here. Do you notice how a 100 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: matter of fact, he always talks. I was drunk, right Molly, 101 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: Molly walked out of me, and I don't remember. I 102 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: think he talks exactly like his dad. Yeah. I've always 103 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: had a soft spot for Tommy because I loved his 104 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: series of Love Island and I was a big fan 105 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: of him and Molly on it not a fan of 106 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: the way he's treated her, but again, there's a part 107 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: of me that likes seeing them back together. Everyone loves 108 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: that redemption arc, don't they. And this is what this 109 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: documentary seems it's all about. Yeah, Well, they're clearly trying 110 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: to make him look like a good guy, because he 111 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: went on to say that no matter how drunk he was, 112 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: Bambi's routine always stayed the same, and he'd get up 113 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: and feed her her breakfast and bottle what just hung 114 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: over as farmer. He also denied the cheating allegations that 115 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: spread like wildfire at the time of their breakup, which 116 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: was this time last year. Can you believe it? Are 117 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: you serious? Yeah? He don't know if it feels like 118 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: longer or shorter. I think it feels almost longer. But 119 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: for me personally, so much has happened since then. Yeah, 120 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: But so much has gone on in the world of 121 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: Molly May And we've seen two different series on her show. 122 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: Well actually it was one, it was a two parter. 123 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: We've seen Tommy film a documentary as well. Yeah, and 124 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: currently Molly's filming the second series of her doco. She 125 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: was going on, Oh, it's so much more fun filming 126 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: it because it's so much lighter and where, you know, 127 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: filming at maybe and about business and I'm thinking over 128 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: wance that just film at home with Tommy. The team 129 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: of Amazon probably didn't like that promotion of the show. 130 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: Or do you think that she is filming with Tommy 131 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: and that's why we haven't really seen a lot of 132 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: him in her YouTube channel because they're saving it for 133 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: the doco. Possibly, I mean, once they're loved up, no 134 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: one really cares that much about it though. Yeah, but 135 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: surely there's still some cracks in that relationship, Like it's 136 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: not all smooth sailing. They're still living in different houses. 137 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: Controversial Queensland businessman Ollie Frost, who is best known for 138 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: being the husband of influencer Nicky Wescott, has called out 139 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: his former friend's business. The friend in question is none 140 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: other than a fellow boyfriend of Instagram Jerome ahearn Now. 141 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: Jerome used to date Lily Brown back in the day, 142 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: and it's rumored that he is the reason behind her 143 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: relationship breakdown with Nicky Wescott and Lucy Jackson. Reading between 144 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: the lines, it seems like the wild Ones sided with 145 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: Jerome during the breakup because they're still friends with him. Well, 146 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: probably not anymore now. Oli Frost took to his Instagram 147 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: to share a warning to his followers. He wrote, I'd 148 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: strongly advise anyone considering Winners Locker to do their homework. 149 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: There are serious concerns about how the business is run, 150 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: questions over whether prizes are actually delivered, and a track 151 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: record that doesn't inspire trust. Before signing up or continuing 152 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: your membership, research through and make your own call. Just 153 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: a friendly heads up now this business Winner's Locker. This 154 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: is essentially a subscription based giveaway platform, very similar vibes 155 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: to Adrian Putelli's giveaways. Yeah, so they tout themselves as 156 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: giving away massive rewards to everyday Aussie's and Jerome is 157 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: the original founder of the business. He now works as 158 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: the head of Growth and on the website it says 159 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: he leads all of the marketing and pr Funnily enough, 160 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: according to his bio, which I'm assuming he wrote himself, 161 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: he says he has a rich background working for some 162 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: of Australia's most exciting startups, and it goes on to 163 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: say a talented individual behind the desk and on the field. 164 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: Jerome blends exciting sports promotion and incredible experiences to everyone 165 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: in the Winner's Locker community, passionate about golf, tennis and 166 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: nrrel a sports enthusiast with a love for the green 167 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: the court turned the field. I love that essay that 168 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: he wrote that Let's be honest, it was probably Chat GPT. 169 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: I know, Chat GPT for the win again now. According 170 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: to Winners Lockers' Socials, they give cars and cash away 171 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: every two weeks. Matt, Paul mitch Orville, and Chloe Zepp 172 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: all follow the Instagram account now. Ollie's call outcame as 173 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: a real surprise to a lot of people because he 174 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: and Jerome have been friends for years. Ollie even shared 175 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: a post to his Instagram feedback in twenty twenty wishing 176 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: Jerome a happy birthday. That's a big deal for man 177 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: to do a birthday post for a friend. They must 178 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: have been very close. Obviously, something major has happened between 179 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: the pair for Oli to publicly call him out. 180 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: Now. 181 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: It's important to note that not long after he posted 182 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: the story, he deleted it, not before influencer updates Au 183 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: had a chance to post it. Doing God's work there, 184 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: Amber Yeah, I think it's important that we clarify that 185 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: we are in no way suggesting that any of Ollie's 186 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: claims about Winner's Locker a troupe, nor Jerome or the 187 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: company have actually spoken on the matter. Yet. What I 188 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: want to talk about, though, is how hypocritical this was 189 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: from Olli. Frost I was pretty blown away with it 190 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: because usually Olli is the one getting called out. So 191 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: this is where we need to introduce another boyfriend of Instagram, 192 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: Matt paul So. Back in twenty twenty, when Matt was 193 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: engaged to Tammy Hembro, he went into business with Olli. 194 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: We actually have covered this depth on the podcast before, 195 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: but Matt invested in Oli's Gold Coast restaurant called the Man. 196 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: But less than three years later, the business went into liquidation, 197 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: and at the time Matt told the Gold Coast Bulletin 198 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: that Olli had squeezed him out of the business and 199 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: owed him money. Despite Maman and several other of Olie's 200 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: restaurants going into liquidation in twenty twenty three, they continued 201 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: operating under a new entity that he set up. Now 202 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: that entity went into administration in June this year, and 203 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: Olli and his business partner are currently challenging in court. 204 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: It's been reported that Ollie's four restaurants entered administration because 205 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: of a one point four to five million dollar debt. 206 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: So it's pretty wild to me the Olli Frost feels 207 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: like he's in a position to call out another businessman. 208 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: I was pretty surprised when I saw it too, And 209 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of ballsy of him because I'm sure Jerome 210 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: knows a lot of his secrets. Yeah, I mean they've 211 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: been friends for years. You think, oh, I probably don't 212 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: want someone else digging up stuff on me. I mean, 213 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: he's had Matt Paul calling him out in the media, 214 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: saying this whole thing couldn't happen to a more deserving bloke. 215 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: And also, for the sake of your influence a wife, 216 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: Nicki Wescott, why are you weighing into these things and 217 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: getting more attention, well, plain Devil's advocate. Could he genuinely 218 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: be really concerned about these giveaways? I think that's a 219 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: very earnest approach. I think clearly something big has happened 220 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: between the pair, and he's trying to level things out 221 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: revenge kind of thing. 222 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: Honestly, Guys like I do not let shit like this 223 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 2: get to me. I never do. 224 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley has been left reeling after she unveiled the 225 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: makeover of her eldest son's bedroom. The influencer proudly shared 226 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: a room reveal on her TikTok but was inundated with 227 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: negative feedback. Okay, what was the problem with this room? Well, 228 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: the people of TikTok have spoken and they've deemed that 229 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: the room was far too grown up for Sky's six 230 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: year old sun Forest. So the design was nothing crazy. 231 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: The room's got dark timber floors, white walls, and those 232 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: sheer curtains that are very in fashion at the moment. Yeah. 233 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd quite like that set up for my 234 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: own room, and I suppose that's where the issue lies. 235 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: It also had a block steel set of bunk beds 236 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: and they were positioned up against the window with a 237 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: light blue bed spread. There was also a chest of 238 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: drawers that had a framed Minecraft poster on it alongside 239 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: a cream colored bean bag. And I have to admit 240 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: there were a few other mature looking additions to the room, 241 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: including a candle on the dresser and this swirly standing mirror, 242 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: and also a floor lamp that looked like it probably 243 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: belonged in a living room. Awkwardly, it seems like the 244 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: room redo was sponsored by a furniture company, and I 245 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: think that's why Skywheatley has hit back at it. Well, 246 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: it seems like the inclusion of the decorative candle in 247 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: six year old Forest's room is what pushed one person 248 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: over the edge. On TikTok. They wrote, what little boys 249 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: don't long for is a candle and some aesthetically pleasing 250 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: photo ops for his mum instead of a room full 251 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: of toys. Another person added, I just feel like kids 252 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: need color and creativity that expresses them in their rooms. 253 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: Someone else sniped the bunk bed looks like a prison bunk, 254 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: while another said when parents try so hard to have 255 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: an Instagram house instead of allowing kids' spaces to be 256 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: about kids. Now, Sky hit back at the trolls. She 257 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: said the room wasn't complete and that people were so judgmental. 258 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: She worried people in the comments need to realize my 259 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: son is seven this year. He's not a fucking baby anymore. 260 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: Now it got to the point where she actually broke down, 261 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: and so she was trying not to get emotional over it. 262 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: Let's throw to some of what she said. 263 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 5: I've had people say the most horrible shit to me. 264 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 5: You fucked your face? This that such a natural beauty? 265 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 5: What has she done? 266 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: This? That fucking or anything about my bedroom? Whatever? Sheets? 267 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: Don't go hate your pictures, do this? Do that? Sick? 268 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 5: When it comes to my my kids. 269 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: I'm not going to go emotional. 270 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 5: I'm not going to go to emotional, Like when it 271 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 5: comes to my kids and how much I do for 272 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 5: them as a mother, and how much effort I put 273 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 5: into doing that room when it's not even finished, and 274 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 5: people are just so nasty, say whatever the fuck you 275 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 5: want about me in my room. 276 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: Do not don't say shit about my children. 277 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 5: Don't comment on my mothering skills, like I feel like 278 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 5: as a mother, you know not to judge. 279 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 2: Other moms, Like, how's this not known fucking fact? Like? 280 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: Am I judging a mother for anything she does? 281 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 3: No? 282 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: Do you know how hard it is to be a parent. 283 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: She wanted to say that she thinks that most of 284 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: the people making comments weren't actually parents themselves, and she 285 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: then defended her decision not to have their rooms filled 286 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: with toys. She said she prefers to spend her money 287 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: taking her kids overseas to show how other children live 288 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: so they understand how privileged they are. She doesn't want 289 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: to raise entitled and grateful children who have no appreciation 290 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: for anything. She also said they're better off outside or 291 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: on their motorbikes. I mean, she makes a good point. 292 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: She said that there was this period of time where 293 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: her kids just trashed everything she bought them and they 294 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: weren't really respecting it. And I mean it's unusual for 295 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: commenters on TikTok to say that the kids aren't spoilt enough, 296 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: like that they need more things. I think there's this 297 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: real movement on TikTok though, where people are calling out 298 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: parents for being beige parents. And I know when Sophie 299 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: was setting up her nursery, we were giving her a 300 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: bit of shit because everything she chose for Luca was 301 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: beige and we're like, have a bit of color. But 302 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: I think a nursery is different. You don't know what 303 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: your kid likes. They don't really have a personality. But 304 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: when you're at the age of six, like, they obviously 305 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: have things that they might want to display in their 306 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: room or that they like to play with. It's usually 307 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: guided by them what their room looks like, Okay, I 308 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: feel mean saying this disguis because I know she tried 309 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: her best, but from an outside perspective, the room did 310 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: look a bit sad, like she'd obviously tried to put 311 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: a little bit of personality with the Minecraft posters, but 312 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: it just needed a bit of color or something. Yeah, 313 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: I get that, And I mean when I saw the room, 314 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: I kind of understood the commentary. But do we really care? 315 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: Do we really have to comment on everything about our parents? 316 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: Do things like couldn't you just say, oh, that looks 317 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: very nice? I mean, not for me. Wait have you 318 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: been on TikTok before? Well? Yeah, I know, but I 319 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: just really felt for Sky because I'm someone that interior 320 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: design doesn't come natural to me. And when I was 321 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: designing my son's nursery, I say designing like, you know, 322 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: it's just a normal room set up, But I spent 323 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: so long on Pinterest, so long on TikTok, trying to 324 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: get inspiration, and you know, it just looks like a 325 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: regular room. It's not a Pinterest room. But even just 326 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: deciding on these different details and what to buy and 327 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: where to put it, it just took me so long. 328 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: Do you think a lot of it has to do 329 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: with we see these children's room on YouTube as big reveals, 330 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: like these huge influences. I saw one where someone had 331 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: put a rock climbing wall in a children's room. I 332 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: think Sar's Day has one line, yeah, like, well we 333 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: just stick with people expecting more from Sky. Yeah, maybe 334 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: they're expecting too much, Like this is quite a normal 335 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: room for a child to have, Like it was beautiful, 336 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: but it was just it didn't have much personality, which 337 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: maybe that's what Forest wanted. I think the other thing 338 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: is that Forest kind of didn't really give much in 339 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: the video. He wasn't like wow, because that's what kind 340 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: of kidd he is, Like, that's the kids are different. Well, 341 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: I mean he's not a performing monkey. He's just going 342 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: to react like a kid does. And I mean he 343 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: doesn't really understand that his mum's we've got a brand 344 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: deal with the furniture company and they need a little 345 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: bit more. He doesn't understand that there's trolls on TikTok 346 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: that are going to obsess over his reaction. Yeah, I 347 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: mean Sky's emotional state over this feedback from the room 348 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: makes sense because it feels like these renovations have been 349 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: going on forever and I'm not even living in them, 350 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: but i feel like, I'm like, how is this still 351 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: going awful? So it's actually been five years. Sky and 352 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: her boyfriend Luckie Woar brought the home back in twenty 353 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: twenty for nine hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. Doesn't 354 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: that make you want to cry? 355 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 3: Oh? 356 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is a mega mansion now. They always 357 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: refer to it as an abandoned mansion or a haunted house, 358 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: and their dream was to transform it into a luxurious property, 359 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: and Sky has documented the reno's on and off on 360 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: her social media over the five years. Unfortunately, though, the 361 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: renovations have been a complete nightmare filled with so many setbacks. 362 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: So the timeline originally got pushed back when Sky unexpectedly 363 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: fell pregnant with her second son, Bear, and for the 364 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: last couple of years they've been living in their garage 365 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: that was converted. They've had massive budget blowouts, They've spent 366 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: way over budget, and recently the couple experienced extreme financial 367 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: strain when Locke's shop fitting business went into administration, so 368 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: Sky had to take on more influencing work to help 369 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 1: fund the rebuild and understandablease Sky has been really upset. 370 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: Last month, she showed herself breaking down in tears after 371 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: Locke built a staircase that she deemed too oversized, and 372 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: she revealed she's been relying on her ADHD medication to 373 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: deal with the mental toll of the renovations. It would 374 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: all be extremely overwhelming. And I think the saddest thing 375 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: to come back from all this negative feedback on TikTok 376 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: was that Sky ended up trying to justify Forest's room. 377 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: And she even is at the point where she's changing 378 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: things to suit what people say. It's like, well he 379 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: likes it, That's what it's most important. Yeah, you're not boring? 380 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 3: So why is your water? 381 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day's campaign launch for Australian electrolyte brand Hiro has 382 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: divided audiences. The fitness influencer unveiled the secret drink flavor 383 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: she has created, alongside a controversial viral video which featured 384 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: a kidnapping. Now, first things first, As we discussed a 385 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, the flavor is black Current, Black 386 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 1: Current Crush to be precise. Now, despite steratizing the secret 387 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: flavor to her millions of followers for months, the flavor 388 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: was actually leaked after a website mishap, so it turns 389 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: out the flavor was listed on the website months before 390 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: the launch. Yeah. So in terms of the campaign, it 391 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: was a big one for Sarah because not only was 392 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: it coming off the back of her being dumped as 393 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: an ambassador for perfume brand who is Elijah, but she 394 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: has personally invested in the hydration company and also created 395 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: the campaign alongside her husband Kurt Tills. And Ahead of 396 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: the launch, Hiro's co founder Steve Chapman shared his apprehension 397 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: on LinkedIn. He wrote, We're sitting on over one million 398 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: dollars worth of stock right now and honestly scared shitless 399 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: about our launch in five days. Doesn't matter how many 400 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: products you've launched or how many businesses you've built right 401 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: before you put something big into the market, that fear 402 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: is still there. This is our biggest marketing spend ever. 403 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: We're working with Australia's top YouTuber. The creative is humorous 404 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: and a bit controversial. It could be a massive hit 405 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 1: or a miss, and we've already manufactured more inventory than 406 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: we've ever held before. If this doesn't work, we're in trouble. 407 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: What an honest statement to put up on LinkedIn, and 408 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: it's a pretty big statement to make. I found it 409 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: interesting that it was actually quite transparent with how much 410 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: stock that he's bought, because usually there's a bit of 411 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: skepticism around when an influencer brand says that they've sold 412 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: out of a product, A lot of people question whether 413 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: it was a small drop so that they can have 414 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: this tag of being sold out. Obviously in this case, 415 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: they're putting a lot of money behind it. I want 416 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: to get into the video, so for those who haven't 417 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: seen it, it opens with Sarah throwing water in a 418 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: cyclist's face and she declares, no one likes cyclists. A 419 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: bit of a strange move when you consider that, so 420 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 1: probably need hydration and could be a target market there. Yeah. 421 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: So then in the video, she walks into an office 422 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: and she throws papers around while she forcefully tells the 423 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: viewer watching dehydrated is their fault. I think we should 424 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: throw to some of the audio just to demonstrate Sarah's 425 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: tone throughout it. 426 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 3: But no, it couldn't be you because you've got your 427 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: giant comfort water water with you wherever you go. 428 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it is you, and you need electrolyte. I 429 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: think the most bizarre scene for me was when she 430 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: barged into the bathroom when her husband was taking a 431 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: leak in the toilet, and they shot her lying on 432 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: the ground looking up at him and she calls him 433 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: little guy, and you can see the urine going into 434 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: the bowl. I was like, Oh my god. They really 435 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: went there with the script, didn't they. 436 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 437 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: I mean the whole ad just screamed Sarah and Kurt humor. 438 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: It kind of almost came across a bit like a 439 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: high school drama performance. Yeah. I was gonna say it 440 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: was quite teenage humor. I mean they spoke a lot 441 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: about how they stayed up late one night and wrote 442 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: the script for this, and then they took it to 443 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: the hiro founders and were kind of sitting there watching 444 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: them to see if they agreed that it was funny. 445 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those awkward things where someone says, 446 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: we think this is really funny to you. I wonder 447 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: how honest the co founders were with them. I mean, 448 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: we're going to get into more of the controversy. There 449 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: was a rather controversial scene, but the rest of the 450 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: actual ad, there were elements that were clever and that 451 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: were quite funny. I mean, it depends on your sense 452 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: of humor. I suppose I liked the walk through nature 453 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: of it, but there was almost too much going on 454 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: to take in. Well, you've got to remember the ad 455 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: went for two minutes. I have found myself watching it 456 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: a number of times and still finding something new that 457 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: I've missed. So from that perspective, I think it was 458 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: quite clever because it really gripped your attention. And from 459 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: a videography perspective, I'm a videographer, so I enjoyed the 460 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: high production value of it. I would hate to think 461 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: how much Kert's business house of Grom's actually charged for this. Well, 462 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm guessing was a part of the overall deal. Because 463 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: they are investors in the company, they will get payback 464 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: if they sells very well. I mean. Another compliment for 465 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: me is that the branding was really good in terms 466 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: of they used the Hiro branding color throughout. It really popped. 467 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: I mean watching that, I want one of those Hiro 468 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: drink bottles. Now, look, Amy, this is where we're gonna 469 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: clash because firstly, I found the way Sarah presented herself 470 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: in this video very strange. She's been brought on as 471 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: this YouTuber, this personality that a lot of people like, 472 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: and they're hoping a lot of Sarah's fans buy the product. 473 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: But throughout the video, she came across as very unlikable. 474 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: She came across as condescending. She acted like her audience 475 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: was stupid if they didn't buy the product. And I 476 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: get it was meant to be a joke, but I 477 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: don't think it landed. Secondly, the cameo that the other 478 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: investors in the company made, so alongside Sarah, NFL Star Daily, 479 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: Cherry Evans and also rugby player Kuaied Cooper have invested 480 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: in Hiro and they make this cameo tied up in 481 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: the back of a van and their captor then forces 482 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: them to endorse the brand before off. 483 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 4: Wait sad line, I feel so hydrated? 484 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 5: You do? I love Hiro. 485 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: Now, this joke has not landed well in the US market, 486 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: which is a market that Hiro is trying to get 487 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: into at the moment. They've been very upfront that they're 488 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: trying to tap into the US market. They want this 489 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: to be one hundred million dollar brand, and they receive 490 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: comments from potential US customers saying are all ads in Australia. 491 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: This bad. Clearly your sense of humor is different. Hopefully 492 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: you hire professionals to break into the US market. People 493 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: being kidnapped in panel vans really nothing humorous about that, 494 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: a little tone death. Another person wrote, extremely tone deaf 495 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: for all your US customers. This comment to them went 496 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: on to say, considering the daily illegal abductions, holding and 497 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: deportations happening in the US, it is overall really disappointing 498 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: to see brands capitalizing on the imagery right now. It 499 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: was just unnecessary in my opinion, as it would have 500 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: been customer yet without part of the two minute ad 501 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: made me fre really uncomfortable. I mean, it didn't need 502 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: to be in there. I thought at the time, this 503 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: is a bit bizarre, because one, it's weird that you're 504 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: saying you have to force people to say how good 505 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: the product is, particularly people know they're investors in the company. Anyway, 506 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: it just didn't the joke didn't even make sense. No, 507 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: it didn't make sense. And when you bring in all 508 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: that is happening in the US right now, it just 509 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: comes across as really tone deaf. And even the person 510 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: who said can't you get someone actually professional to make 511 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: that ad. That's the thing with Sarah and Kurt's ads. 512 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: They come across as really clever for a social media ad, 513 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: but if you were to air that on television, it 514 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: just wouldn't see I don't think they necessarily come across 515 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: as clever for a social media ad. So many of 516 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: their campaigns have caused controversy. You only need to think 517 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: back to their campaign in twenty twenty with White Fox Boutique, 518 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: where Sarah was accused of cultural appropriation that they then 519 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: did a follow up campaign that was basically a fuck 520 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: you to the people that called them out. When I 521 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: say clever, I'm more so mean you don't normally see 522 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: such high production value ads from people on social media. 523 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: I think what you're confusing clever with is effort. They 524 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: put a lot of effort into the production quality, but 525 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: I think often the marketing messaging is missing and it's 526 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: not as professional as it needs to be, And I 527 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: think they get into a room with people that are 528 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: just yes, people yes, and no one that holds them 529 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: to account. Another thing that didn't sit well with me 530 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: is the shade that they threw at other hydration companies. 531 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: Let's to the jibe that Sarah made. Hiro is a 532 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: scientifically formulated electrolyte blend with no added sugar and all 533 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: natural ingredients, not like those other hydration brands on the market. Now, 534 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: it seems like this comment really annoyed one of Hiro's competitors. 535 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: That company is called hydro Mama. They're a little bit different. 536 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: Their hydration products are targeted more at mums, as their 537 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: name suggests. They are for pregnant women and also postpart 538 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: in women, but they can be for all members of 539 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: the family. And straight after Hiro's campaign went live, they 540 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: sent out an email to customers reminding them who was 541 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,479 Speaker 1: the original creator of a black current hydration drink. So 542 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: the email was entitled the og Flavor Still Unmatched, and 543 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: in the email they compared hydro mameter quote other brands 544 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: and said other brands were overpowering or hard to stomach 545 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: and often miss key nutrients. Now, hydro Mama is actually 546 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: owned by influencer Kira Rumble, She's no stranger to other 547 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: brands taking inspiration from her. In twenty twenty two, a 548 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: beauty business co founded by Chris Hemsworth's wife, Elsa Battaki, 549 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: launch products featuring near identical packaging, imagery and website design 550 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: to Kira Skincare Business Habitual Beauty Now. In addition to 551 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: the email, Kira Rumbull shared a video of her pouring 552 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: Hydro Mama's Black Current drink into a glass and added 553 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: the caption our og all day, every day. I found 554 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: this such a clever and classy response from Kira now. 555 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: Hiro's pricing has also caused discussions. So when you compare 556 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: it to a brand like hiro Mama, it's very expensive, 557 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: nearly double the price. So if you want to buy 558 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: fifteen sachets of Hiro, it costs thirty nine ninety five, 559 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: so that's around two dollars sixty six per sashet. So 560 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: that's two dollars sixty six per drink that you have. 561 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: When you compare that to the price of Hiro Mama, 562 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: you can buy a pack of thirty for thirty nine 563 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 1: ninety nine, which is one point thirty three per sachet, 564 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: So a big difference there. Still cheaper than a can 565 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: of coke. Yeah. True, if you look at it like that, well, 566 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: I mean you're comparing apples and oranges at that point, 567 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: all black currants. Yeah. Well, it's important to point out 568 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: there were people who actually enjoyed this ad as well. Oh, 569 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: there were so many comments saying that this is the 570 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: best ad that they've ever seen, and they've been watching 571 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: over and over again, so it definitely worked with Sarah's audience. 572 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: The proof is in the pudding, though, and at the 573 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: time of recording, the flavor is yet to sell out. 574 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: Straight after the ad went live, though, the co founder, 575 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: Steve Chapman, claimed that they were selling quickly and getting 576 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: a lot of orders. Here's what he said. 577 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 4: As mental this morning, with the launch of our black 578 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 4: cant Crush, Shopify has been going crazy. This flavor is 579 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 4: about to sell out. Sarah's disdropped it. The video is 580 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 4: insane if you haven't checked it out, but headed to 581 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 4: the website and pick yourself up a black Current. The 582 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 4: more you buy, the more you save. But subscription is 583 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 4: always the best twenty five percent off, free ship in 584 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 4: and gifts on the way, so getting quick. 585 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: The campaign ended up capturing the attention of mainstream media, 586 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: so Sarah teased on the day of the launch that 587 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: she was doing an article on the Hiro launch. It 588 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: turns out the piece was with The Daily Telegraph. However, 589 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: they ended up flipping the story on Sarah and making 590 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: it about influencers sharing their kids online with a small 591 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: plug at the end for Hiro. I don't know if 592 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: Hiro have a PR firm working for them, but I 593 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: don't understand how they couldn't have got Sarah on either 594 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: Sunrise or the Today Show, Like this is actually a 595 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: story that'd be perfect for a morning TV show bringing 596 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: in the drink. You could have got the host to 597 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: try it. The fact that there were cameos from some 598 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: NRL players as well. Yeah, there's a lot going on there. 599 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: I mean, look at keep it cleaner. They're constantly on 600 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: the morning showst like they obviously have a line straight 601 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: into the produce. So hard to get on guys. Yeah, look, 602 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: don't say that, Amy because you want to peep. I 603 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: mean no, but you have to know the right people 604 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 1: to ask. Yeah, exactly right. Let's get into our Friday debrief. 605 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: And it seems like hydration is on my mind off 606 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: the back of the Sarah's Day topic, but this is 607 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: completely unrelated. So I've been trying not to drink coke 608 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: zero every night. There was a time where I was 609 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: only having it for a treat if I went out 610 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: to a restaurant, but since giving birth to Jack, it's 611 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: been my little treat. At the end of the I'm like, 612 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: I deserve this. It was my pregnancy craving and now 613 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: I can't go a night without drinking coke seer and 614 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: I kind of I'm thinking, well, if that's my little treat, 615 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: it's not the worst thing. I don't really drink alcohol. Yeah, 616 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: I can kind of have a freaking Coke zero. Yeah, 617 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: I know, but I want to keep it to being 618 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: a little treat. I think that, you know, it's best 619 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: to moderate it a little bit. So I've been trying 620 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: to get back into drinking kumb Butcher. I feel like 621 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: it's a little bit better for me. And I'm devastated 622 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: because Lowbros, which is my preferred kom Butcher flavor, no 623 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: longer seems to be available in coals or woolies, Like 624 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: I can't get it in my online shop. So I'm 625 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: back on Remedy and I don't know they're just not 626 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: as they don't taste as sweet as Low Bros. But 627 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: they have a range called Sodally and I've come across 628 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: this blood orange flavor that was so good I actually 629 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: wanted it over my Coke zero. Yeah. I went through 630 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: a phase of drinking those they're great. Yeah, you need 631 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: ice with them and to put it in a nice glass. 632 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: So I've got a Starbucks tumbler that I drink specifically 633 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: from for it. See, I really wanted an ice maker 634 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: that did that pebble ice. Didn't you have one? 635 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: No? 636 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: I think Dale didn't realize that I wanted the pebble 637 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: ice specifically. It's like, it's still really nice. I don't 638 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: want to sound ungrateful, but he got me an ice 639 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: maker but it sort of makes bigger pieces of ice. Mm. Well, 640 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: I mean that's still good because it's still good. It's great. 641 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: But I actually just updated my ice cube tray to 642 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: a KMA one. What was it Previously? It was just 643 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: some shit other like it was probably from KMARP. But 644 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: this one's got a lid, so could you No? No, 645 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: I've got two recommendations. One is someone to follow on 646 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: Instagram and I've been going on about, okay to you. 647 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: It's Grace Andrews. She used to work on Diary of 648 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: a CEO. She's this social media whiz. I actually want 649 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: to get her in one of our Christmas episodes because 650 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,959 Speaker 1: not only does she kind of sound like Emma Watson, 651 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: like she's got the coolest thing. She's thinks that. Yeah, 652 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: but she is also so smart, specifically about social media. 653 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: So she was the first hire on Diary of a CEO, 654 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: and she was able to transform the show. I think 655 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: they went from having it was something like seventy thousand 656 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: subscribers on YouTube to I think ten million by the 657 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: time she left. So it's a plan to get her 658 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: on the Christmas episode and then we just literally pick 659 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: her brain fro out spoken like, how do we get 660 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: to the level with Diary of a CEO? That's how 661 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: we do It sounds good, but she's actually just left 662 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: the show. So she's started up her YouTube channel and 663 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: she's available. Yeah, she's doing all these keynote speeches and 664 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: she's going to launch a product. So she's one to 665 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: follow because I think a lot of people are sick 666 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: of just watching your stock standard influence that their days 667 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: filled with getting their nails done and their haircut. People 668 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: want a bit more now. Yeah, and my other recommendation 669 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: is you need to watch Fit for TV, the Reality 670 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: of the Biggest Loser on Netflix. I'm halfway through it 671 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: at the moment and absolutely gripped by it, Like I 672 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: feel a mixture of nostalgia and sick at the same time. 673 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: It's crazy to think the stranglehold that show had on 674 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: us and how detrimental it's been. Oh yeah, I mean 675 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: I remember watching nearly every series of The Biggest Loser, 676 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: and now you see snippets of it, Like they had 677 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: this snippet of temptation when they were getting the contestants 678 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: to move food around in their mouth. I don't know, 679 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: as a kid, you didn't realize it, but they were 680 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: just trying to humiliate all of the contestants. Oh, it 681 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: was so humiliating under disguise of helping them out. And 682 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to ruin the show for 683 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: people who haven't seen it, but you see how detrimental 684 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: the whole process was for the contestants' health. I think 685 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: the thing that shocked me the most was they obviously 686 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: had trainers on the show, they had a medic as well, 687 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: but they didn't have a psychologist. Actually, on the later 688 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: series in Australia they implemented a psychologist and they moved 689 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: away from such dramatic weight loss, but that's where the 690 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: audience dropped off and people were like, I don't want 691 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: to see them talking to a psychologist. I love the 692 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: conclusion of Bob in it. I can't believe he's sixty. 693 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: I know, I thought he looked so good for sixty. 694 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: Same well, Jillian Michaels was a notable absentee and they 695 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: put a lot on her, so they accused her of 696 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: giving contestants caffeine tablets. Well, at the time, that was 697 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: highly documented in the media. But she's come out now 698 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: and said she's going to sue. Yeah, she's saying she 699 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: wants to sue Bob. She wants to sue Netflix. There's 700 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: no love lost between Bob and Jillian, is there. 701 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 702 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: So Bob spoke about how he had this massive heart 703 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: attack and he said the only person he didn't hear 704 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: from was Jillian Michaels. And then Jillian jumped on her 705 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: Instagram after this documentary and she had a screenshot of 706 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: her last text message with Bob and it was basically 707 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: her saying, well, Bob, you haven't replied to my text. 708 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: This is really sad. I don't agree with what you've done. 709 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: So she's implying that is the one who fucked her over. 710 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: Imagine how incredible a docco on the Australian biggest Loser 711 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: would be because you, of course had Michelle Bridges, who 712 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: did she leave her husband for the Commando and then 713 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: they had a relationship, and you've got aj the former pat. 714 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: She's already been going to town on TikTok about get 715 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: her in front of a camera crew. Yeah, I think 716 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: sadly a lot of her claims probably wouldn't make it 717 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: to TV because they are quite defamatory. Yeah, well she's 718 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: got a big problem with Michelle Bridges as well. So, yeah, 719 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: we're in such a time. We were having such a 720 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: reckoning with early two thousands television. Think about the way 721 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: we're responding to shows like America's Next Top Model and 722 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: I mean even just watching The Biggest Loser, it made 723 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,919 Speaker 1: me think about how we all used to have those 724 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: calorie counting books and how you'd know how many calories 725 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: were in everything because they used to list it on 726 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 1: the TV show. So many tiktoks I've seen and it says, 727 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: as millennials, no wonder we feel the way we do 728 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: about our bodies. This is what we grew up with. Yeah. 729 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: I remember finding out how many calories were in a 730 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: milkshake and being like, I'm never having one. I didn't 731 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: have one for like ten years. How ridiculous. No, we had. Yeah, 732 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: we did have that calorie counter book and we brought 733 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: it with us on holiday to Singapore and I didn't 734 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: look up a milkshake. I looked up a hash brown 735 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: and was horrified. Don't tell me because I'm eating that 736 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: night and I I have as many hash Browns as 737 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: I want Now I don't care. Well, I'm actually getting 738 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: quite hungry talking about this, so I think we'll wrap 739 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: things up there. I'm going to go have a milkshake 740 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: and a hash brown just as a fuck you to 741 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: the biggest loser. Can I'd love to go and drive 742 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: now and get it d Well. Thank you again for 743 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: listening to Outspoken, and if you want to hear more 744 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: content from us, we drop a subscriber only episode every Thursday, 745 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: which is basically an extension of our usual show. This 746 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: week we spoke about a lot. We spoke about ashy 747 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: Byness's secret babysitter. We also discuss Sarah's Day's ebook Empire, 748 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: as well as Laura Henshaw's cheeky DM slide from David Bek. 749 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: We actually talk about the real story behind that it 750 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: debunked it and also the phenomenon of influencers setting up 751 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: pap shots. So if you do want to subscribe to Outspoken, 752 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 1: plus all the details in the show notes, I need 753 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: to correct you. It's actually five nine nine a month. 754 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: The other month he said it was a discount, so 755 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: don't hold us to that. It's basically a dollar something 756 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: per episode. I love how you're not committing to the 757 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: math of that, but yeah, we drove episodes every week, 758 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: the methane methan. Yeah, it's four episodes a month. So 759 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: now this podcast was recorded on the traditional land of 760 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 1: the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect 761 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: to elders past and present, and if you haven't already, 762 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: we would love if you could leave us a five 763 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: star review because it really helps out the show.