WEBVTT - Ask Uncut - Are You the Interruptee or the Interrupter?

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<v Speaker 1>Life on Cut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose

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<v Speaker 1>lands were never seated.

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<v Speaker 2>We pay our respects to their elders past and present.

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<v Speaker 1>Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was

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<v Speaker 1>recorded on gaddigal Land.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life

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<v Speaker 3>on Cut. I'm Laura and.

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<v Speaker 2>I am produced Akisha filling in for brit while she's

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<v Speaker 2>eating really gross things at inappropriate dinner times.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very unfortunate that they put on the what do

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<v Speaker 1>they call it, the Trials Tucker Time Tuesdays or something,

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<v Speaker 1>that they put it on it like such an inappropriate

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<v Speaker 1>time of night.

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<v Speaker 3>Laura, this is what happened to me last night.

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<v Speaker 2>My boyfriend and I sat down on the couch We've

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<v Speaker 2>cooked sorry Mexican food, and I was like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got to put brit on because I'm slibs on

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<v Speaker 2>it this time.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to see her.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw her attempt to eat a pigs nipple, amongst

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<v Speaker 2>other things, which she failed. She vomited, poor thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>he turned to me. It was like I'd committed a crime,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was like, do we have to watch this

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<v Speaker 2>right now?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to eat my dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that because last week when we I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember who it was it was. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Bridges and she was eating a penis.

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<v Speaker 3>Tristan testicle.

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<v Speaker 4>Last night, Bridges ate a penis and Tristan ate a

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<v Speaker 4>testical like a champion. Put it down. We've all been there,

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<v Speaker 4>we've all done it. What a good guy taking one

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<v Speaker 4>for the team, I do think.

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<v Speaker 1>So. I didn't get to watch last night's episode. But

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<v Speaker 1>also it is safe Khan went home, which is very disappointing.

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<v Speaker 1>Kann firstly is an angel and secondly, he's a very

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<v Speaker 1>good cook. So that's a disappointing person to lose in

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<v Speaker 1>the camp. But if you had to eat a pig nipple,

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<v Speaker 1>surely that's just kind of like bacon rind but with

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of extra chewy bit Like I think

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<v Speaker 1>I would be okay with that. I think I could

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<v Speaker 1>eat a pig nipple.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what Sky said at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I thought about it and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I want wonder if it was one of those like

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<v Speaker 2>hairy nipples are.

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<v Speaker 1>Really and they're big and they're thick, like think of

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<v Speaker 1>like a cow utter.

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<v Speaker 3>Then think of like a pig nipple. They're not like

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<v Speaker 3>a cat nipple. For example.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's the hair on the nipple that would

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<v Speaker 1>get me, like pick it off first, or do you

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<v Speaker 1>have to eat every single thing? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Actually just felt a bit sick thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Can they wash it down?

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<v Speaker 2>I did see Britt take a drink of water, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's like a time period they're not allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to do it immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel sick. I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're listening to this, which you are if it's

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<v Speaker 1>on right now, I feel sick, which means you probably

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<v Speaker 1>feel sick anyway, speaking of cat nipples, I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Really quickly wanted to say that we're recording this on Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>which means that there has been an episode tonight before

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<v Speaker 2>this episode comes out, so like really fingers crossed. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not the episode where brit gets eliminated. So please

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<v Speaker 2>keep voting, Please keep voting to keep her in there,

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<v Speaker 2>because we're like down to one of the last final days.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's actually it's all going so quickly now,

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<v Speaker 1>so every day someone's going home the whole You can

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<v Speaker 1>vote ten times a day.

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<v Speaker 3>Make sure you're doing it. It's on tenplay.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, if there is a situation where tonight is

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<v Speaker 1>the night Briack goes home. That's awkward for everyone listening today,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, this would be a very different conversation

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<v Speaker 1>had we known now. But we don't get We don't

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<v Speaker 1>get told anything. But speaking of cat nipples, back to

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<v Speaker 1>the cat nipples. Finally I am back into my lady

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<v Speaker 1>in a cat era. We have Raspberry. Raspberry has been

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<v Speaker 1>brought home. She is so cute.

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<v Speaker 3>Buster is so fucking off it.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt is also pretty off it, to be honest, But

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's gonna come around. We're gonna be one big, happy,

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<v Speaker 1>hairy family with lots of nipples. There's so many nipples

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<v Speaker 1>in our household now, there is there? Just is do

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<v Speaker 1>the maths, dog nipples, cat nipples.

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<v Speaker 2>There's more functional nipples than what there are unfunctional nipples, now,

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<v Speaker 2>is there? Well, Matt's nipples don't work, and Busters certainly don't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true, that's true. Yeah, how I really are a

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<v Speaker 1>female household?

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<v Speaker 2>For anyone who doesn't know the backstory to this, Laura

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<v Speaker 2>adopted a kitten named Raspberry a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>but she was so little that she had to wait

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<v Speaker 2>a little while to pick her up and bring her home.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so she's already ten weeks, but she's still under

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<v Speaker 1>like she's tiny, tiny, she was the little runt of

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<v Speaker 1>the litter and we had to bring her home. The

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<v Speaker 1>girls are obsessed with her and introduce her to our

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<v Speaker 1>very big dog who weighs as of today. We took

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<v Speaker 1>him to the vet. He's thirty nine kilos, so he's massive.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's one leg less and he's not seeing a leg.

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<v Speaker 1>If he had all four legs, he'd be like forty

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<v Speaker 1>five kilos. Like, the dog is huge. He is petrified

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<v Speaker 1>of her, Like he sat on his bed like the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest fanny and he wouldn't even look at her. He

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<v Speaker 1>just made these little side eyes and just shook and

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<v Speaker 1>he was shaking in his bed. And she is tiny,

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<v Speaker 1>less than a kilo, and she's hissing at him, and

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<v Speaker 1>he is whipped whipped. He's so frightened. But it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a big transition for him, Like I think for

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who has animals and then they've had children, it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a big transition, going from them being the child

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<v Speaker 1>of the family to then going down the pecking order,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have kids and then the animals kind

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<v Speaker 1>of go down that and then you bring home a cat. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>my poor dog's like, what's left for me? How did

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<v Speaker 1>it best to respond when you had Marley the same thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody's better shook. He'll get over it, He'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>He's so they are so loved, they are so well

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<v Speaker 1>taken care of. But it's it's funny to me because

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<v Speaker 1>I think people always say you have to be a

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<v Speaker 1>cat person or you're a dog person, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a specific animal person. I don't like all cats,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't like all dogs, but the ones I like,

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<v Speaker 1>I love, you know, So I'm picky where I put

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<v Speaker 1>my energy into. And Matt he has always said he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't like cats, but now he owns a cat, and

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<v Speaker 1>he has been for someone who doesn't like cats.

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<v Speaker 3>He has been very, very, very.

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<v Speaker 1>Cuddly and proactively snugly with this kitten that he doesn't like.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no one who will love a family dog

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<v Speaker 2>more than the dad who said he didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>get a dog.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's one hundred percent. They're like no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>no no.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of the family convinces them that they're getting one,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the dad is like.

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<v Speaker 3>The dog's best friend. It's exactly how it's happening in

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<v Speaker 3>our household.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing though, which I had forgotten about, which

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<v Speaker 1>it's the only negative of owning a cat. Actually, there's

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<v Speaker 1>probably two negatives. One is that you can't trust them.

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<v Speaker 1>You think you're just having a nice pattern. Then they'll

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<v Speaker 1>turn around, they'll fuck you. That's that's a cat mentality.

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<v Speaker 1>The number two is kitty litter, Like I cannot get

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<v Speaker 1>on board with it. I don't if you are a

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<v Speaker 1>cat owner and you figured out some sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>a great way of disguising the kitty litter tray or

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<v Speaker 1>putting it somewhere or doing something with it, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's so obscene having a big tray of cat

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<v Speaker 1>shit in your bathroom.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's so so smelly, and something I think is

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<v Speaker 2>sorry to all the cat owners, but I need to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you this because your friends might not. You get

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<v Speaker 2>used to the smell and you get a little desensitized

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<v Speaker 2>to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Other people don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I've walked into my friend's houses before and felt physically uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 2>like you've got punched in the face. But cat your rear,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so strong, and you can tell me that you've

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<v Speaker 2>got the whole leg, so you can put these things

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<v Speaker 2>on top of them that are like circular and spin

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<v Speaker 2>or something like.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they've got all these castles to try and

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of the smell. It's still there, whether you

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<v Speaker 1>can still smell it or not. It's like your own

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<v Speaker 1>bo you get slightly used to it or you start

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<v Speaker 1>to like it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to keep you accountable, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>If I come to your house and it starts to smell,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>Please. I never want to become so comfortable in my

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<v Speaker 1>lady in a cat status that I can't tell that

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<v Speaker 1>my house smells like piers. Please please tell me, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's when I think things are spiraling out of control

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<v Speaker 1>in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>I really do.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my days, Well, I'd look forward to this, and

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<v Speaker 2>I look forward to seeing the relationship between Matt and

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<v Speaker 2>the cat become the strongest relationship in your home.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally, it's not the dog going down, it's actually me,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm going down in the order of priorities at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment because there's too many animals and too many.

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<v Speaker 2>Children, and you welcomed it into your own life. Should

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<v Speaker 2>be getting to vibes and unsubscribes for the week. Yes, Keisha,

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<v Speaker 2>what is your vibe?

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<v Speaker 1>I know you have a good one, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>am looking forward to this.

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<v Speaker 2>I also really quickly have a small unsubscribe because we

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<v Speaker 2>got a message not long ago saying you guys used

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<v Speaker 2>to do unsubscribes as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm unsubscribing from kitty litter. If I didn't make that clear,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm un alternative. I want to teach her

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<v Speaker 1>to shit in the toilet. That's what I want to teach.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's cats on YouTube. There's like some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of training thing where you can like teach a cat

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<v Speaker 1>to pool straight into the toilet.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to teach her to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Please be careful because she's so small right now, like.

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<v Speaker 3>A cockroach in the bottom of a toilet bot like.

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<v Speaker 2>In the toilet bowl when you get home one afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>But how impressive would that be if you came over

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<v Speaker 1>to my house and there's just the cats on the

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<v Speaker 1>pray just looks at you as you walk past the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>She's hanging half in the toilet or a poo. We

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<v Speaker 1>had to wait for her to finish. Excuse me, can

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<v Speaker 1>you give the cats some privacy? Raspberries doing going to

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<v Speaker 1>the toilet, close the door.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my days.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, my unsubscribed for the week is the plastic liner

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<v Speaker 1>in swimwear.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fucking disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we all please just make you know that you

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<v Speaker 2>buy a pair of swimmer necessary Well, it's only necessary

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<v Speaker 2>because we don't trust everyone to wear underwear when they

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<v Speaker 2>try on swimwear. And I think this is where we

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<v Speaker 2>all need to come together and create a solution, because

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<v Speaker 2>when you that plastic thing off of swimwear, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how many flaps.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know how much trust you're putting in that well,

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<v Speaker 3>like do you do it with?

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<v Speaker 2>I always feel like, wow, this is so potentially disgusting,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know how disgusting because I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how many flaps this it's touched, because I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how many of you have tried this pair of swimmers

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<v Speaker 2>on without your underwear on.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true, that's true. What a gamble? What do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you take it off then go wash your hand

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<v Speaker 1>straight away? Or do you just take it off and

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<v Speaker 1>then bang it on like you know?

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<v Speaker 3>Game on? I really play off. I try to get like.

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<v Speaker 2>The corner, like with my fingernails, and then I sanitize.

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<v Speaker 1>You always sanitize afterwards, Yeah, yeah, I think I do.

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<v Speaker 1>But sometimes I just put on swimmers at the beach

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<v Speaker 1>that I've just bought, so you just rip it off

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<v Speaker 1>and put them on.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you always wash them before you put them on? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, okay, but yeah, yeah, maybe I'm contradicting myself. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe if they didn't have the sticker thing on them

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<v Speaker 2>that I would feel the need.

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<v Speaker 3>To wash them.

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<v Speaker 2>You always watch underwear before anyway, I move on.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually don't. I'm so bad with that. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>It's worked out so well thirty eight. Nothing's happened yet anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a good unsubscribe, except I still think it's

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<v Speaker 1>quite necessary. Do you know what I think we should

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<v Speaker 1>do instead of it being the plastic one? You know

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<v Speaker 1>how you can get those ones? They're like Satney better.

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<v Speaker 3>More costly for the businesses though, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is a complex issue that obviously we need

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<v Speaker 2>to think about a little bit more in depth. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do have a really good vibe for this week.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Tuesday's episode of the Daily OS podcast. You

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<v Speaker 2>guys all know that we really like the Daily Ods.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they deliver news in a really consumable way.

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<v Speaker 2>The episode was titled Bruce Lehman lost his defamation case.

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<v Speaker 3>What does this mean?

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it was Monday, Yeah, Monday afternoon, just

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<v Speaker 2>as Michael Lee handed down a judgment for this defamation case.

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<v Speaker 2>There has been so many different cases to do with

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce Lehman. There's been criminal cases, there's been civil cases.

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<v Speaker 2>A guy like spending time in court. Put it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he's gonna have no money left very likely. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>terrible reputation far up could not be more in the gutter.

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<v Speaker 2>There is definitely an irony in the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>brought this defamation case forward saying that he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>not be called an alleged rapist, and now we had

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<v Speaker 2>a judge say on the balance of probabilities that he

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<v Speaker 2>is a rapist.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm sure everyone has heard the quote from the

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<v Speaker 1>judge having escaped the lines Dan mister Lehrmann made the

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<v Speaker 1>mistake of coming back for his hat, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that is just it paints such a picture around

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<v Speaker 1>what this court case was, what this trial was.

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<v Speaker 2>So The Daily Os did a twenty minute episode that

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<v Speaker 2>broke it down. Sam who is one of the co

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<v Speaker 2>founders of The Daily Ohs. He has a legal background.

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<v Speaker 2>He breaks it down in such a way that's really, really,

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<v Speaker 2>really easy to understand, and he also goes into kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the nuances of what is going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Next next Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been told that the costs are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>kind I don't know what the legal term is. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>the court are going to say who needs to pay

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<v Speaker 2>who money and who needs to pay for the legal

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<v Speaker 2>representation side of things. So that's happening next Tuesday, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be more news about it around, So

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to kind of get your head around it,

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<v Speaker 2>I really recommend that episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so interested as well because I think there's been

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<v Speaker 1>there's been so much reporting around the case, like this

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<v Speaker 1>case couldn't have had more reporting, And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of people understanding the nw onance of it,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's been so much speculation and there's been so

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<v Speaker 1>much commentary and personal opinion that's been loaded into this,

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<v Speaker 1>I think understanding the legalities around it for some people

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<v Speaker 1>it can still seem a little bit vague. In for myself,

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<v Speaker 1>I think getting my head around how this case has

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<v Speaker 1>actually come about. But also part of this story that

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<v Speaker 1>I think is so interesting is Lisa Wilkinson and her

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<v Speaker 1>involvement in it and how she has been misrepresented within

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<v Speaker 1>the media, and how that's going to then play out

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<v Speaker 1>over the next couple of months. And I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be seeing the next story or the next

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<v Speaker 1>part of this, which will be Lisa Wilkinson having her

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<v Speaker 1>time to be able to say, well, I was misrepresented

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<v Speaker 1>and I was also defamed.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing that I thought was very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm really really glad about from this particular court case,

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<v Speaker 2>is that just Michael Lee, he explained in his findings

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<v Speaker 2>that Brittney Higgins was an unreliable witness, but he also

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<v Speaker 2>went in to explain that that is so often the

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<v Speaker 2>case for sexual assault victims absolutely to experienced trauma, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know that for us, we have these conversations all

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<v Speaker 2>the time and we go, yeah, obviously, anyone who's been

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<v Speaker 2>traumatized has glitches in their memory and their story may change,

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<v Speaker 2>not because they're not telling the truth, but because it's

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<v Speaker 2>a really traumatic experience. Having that actually delivered in court

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<v Speaker 2>is a really good step in the right direction, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know that it might seem a bit fucking prehistoric,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is like our court system has been so so,

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<v Speaker 2>so bad for victims of sexual assault, and so it's

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<v Speaker 2>been really nice to kind of see this first step

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<v Speaker 2>in a better direction.

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<v Speaker 1>I also hope in that Brittany Higgins was never able

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<v Speaker 1>to have her day in court and him being able

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<v Speaker 1>to walk freely with the assumption that I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people draw the assumption that because he was

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<v Speaker 1>never prosecuted for the rape trial that he's innocent. Just

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<v Speaker 1>because someone isn't found guilty doesn't automatically mean that they're innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>And there is hopefully so much vindication for Britney Higgins

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<v Speaker 1>in this But that's such an amazing vibe Keisha and

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<v Speaker 1>I will absolutely listen to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just quickly want to. I mean, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit us covering ourselves legally. He was found guilty

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<v Speaker 2>on the balance of probabilities, and if you listen to

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<v Speaker 2>this episode of The Daily OS, that will be explained

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<v Speaker 2>to you why that is different to the criminal proceedings.

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<v Speaker 3>So yes, The Daily ohs Bruce Leman lest his defamation case.

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<v Speaker 3>What does this mean? On wherever you get your podcast? Laws?

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<v Speaker 1>What's you like my vibe is very self fulfilling, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>so give me a second. But also it's something I'm really, really,

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<v Speaker 1>really proud of, and I know I don't. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we've spoken a little bit about Tony May over the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of weeks, but this is such a huge

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<v Speaker 1>part of my life that I don't speak about a

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<v Speaker 1>lot on the podcast. And last week there's been a

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<v Speaker 1>few things that have happened that just means we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>had a chance to talk about this yet. But last

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<v Speaker 1>week we launched our Mother's Day collection and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>campaign that I am so proud of. We shot it

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<v Speaker 1>on my birthday this year, and we wanted because every

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<v Speaker 1>year we do this like limited edition Mother's Day necklace,

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<v Speaker 1>which we have done for like the last three years,

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<v Speaker 1>and then this year we wanted to do something that

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<v Speaker 1>was a little bit different, and part of that was

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<v Speaker 1>capturing motherhood stories, so talking to different moms. We had

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was nine different people come through that

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<v Speaker 1>day and the podcast or in me got to sit

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<v Speaker 1>down and interview each of those moms. The questions that

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<v Speaker 1>we asked were all the questions that I asked were

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<v Speaker 1>all around, like what does motherhood mean to you? And

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<v Speaker 1>how has your life changed since becoming a mom that

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<v Speaker 1>there was this one question that came up and with

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<v Speaker 1>every single person I spoke to, literally from the minute

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<v Speaker 1>they sat down until the minute they left, we were

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<v Speaker 1>all in tears. But the one question was around priorities

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<v Speaker 1>and when you put so much of yourself into your

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<v Speaker 1>children and into your relationships and into your work, like,

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<v Speaker 1>where do you fall in the list of priorities.

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<v Speaker 3>Especially when you get a new kitten and there's so

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<v Speaker 3>many nipples in your house, where do you fall?

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<v Speaker 1>And every single woman that day said that they are

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom, that they are at the very bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of their list of priorities. One person and it was

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<v Speaker 1>my sister, but also another one of the women that

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<v Speaker 1>I interviewed said that they're below the dogs. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know that a lot of mums feel like this at

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<v Speaker 1>different times, that they deprioritize themselves so much because everything

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<v Speaker 1>else requires so much of them, especially when you have

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<v Speaker 1>little kids. But it was really a moment of self

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<v Speaker 1>reflection for myself, and also I think it was just

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<v Speaker 1>a really powerful video that we were able to And

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't seen it, it was a video that

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<v Speaker 1>we made.

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<v Speaker 3>It's on my Instagram. It's also on Tony May's Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>What it was supposed to be was everybody's individual motherhood

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<v Speaker 1>story came together to kind of share what one singular

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that we all experience. And even though everybody

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<v Speaker 1>shows up to motherhood differently, we all have very similar

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<v Speaker 1>things that we go through. And I was really proud

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and I think it was a really beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>capture of what motherhood is. And I'm sorry for anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who may cry, but my vibe for the week, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess is overarchingly. We have this beautiful collection that we've

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<v Speaker 1>created which is all around motherhood. It's all around celebrating

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<v Speaker 1>the many forms of it. And one of the pieces

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<v Speaker 1>that we have in there, which over the years we

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<v Speaker 1>have always received the feedback of what about people who

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<v Speaker 1>haven't had their happy endings with motherhood or are still

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<v Speaker 1>on their motherhood journey because Mother's Day can be so isolating,

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<v Speaker 1>And we've created this really beautiful necklace which is to

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<v Speaker 1>be a keepsake, to be a memory, to be something

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<v Speaker 1>that you can hold on too if you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>different phase of motherhood, whether it is that you have

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<v Speaker 1>a rainbow baby, whether it is that you're still in

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<v Speaker 1>your fertility journey, whether it's that you've lost a child

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<v Speaker 1>or you want to give something to someone this Mother's

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<v Speaker 1>Day who is going through that themselves. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>like the basis of creating this range as well. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really really proud of it. Yeah, I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>feels so, I know, it feels so. I hate being like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is my five it's something that I've created, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm genuinely so proud of it.

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<v Speaker 3>And the video made me cry and I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>I got a mom. I'm not a mom.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was a very impactful and beautiful, beautiful campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>That campaign meant more than a piece of jewelry totally

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<v Speaker 2>in it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's depth to it. Well it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the campaign doesn't even have the handpagn video

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't even have jewelry in it, but it didn't need to.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I yeah, I think, you know, I'm so lucky

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<v Speaker 1>that I get to design jewelry and I had this

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<v Speaker 1>whole other life and a whole other job that I

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<v Speaker 1>get to do. But there are a couple of things

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<v Speaker 1>that we do each year that I deeply look forward to.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Mother's Day collection is one of them. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so proud of how it's all come together. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's it for me.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Let's get into the questions. Okay, Question number one.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my best friends constantly cuts me off or

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<v Speaker 1>cuts people off mid sentence, sometimes when the person is

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<v Speaker 1>answering the question that she has literally asked them. She

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<v Speaker 1>also will cut into people's conversations and start talking about

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<v Speaker 1>something completely unrelated, showing pictures on her phone or something

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<v Speaker 1>else she saw on there, taking the conversation away from

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<v Speaker 1>what people were talking about and making it hard to

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<v Speaker 1>get the original chat back on track. Now that I've

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<v Speaker 1>noticed she does this, I just can't stop noticing. It

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<v Speaker 1>drives me mental and makes me not want to have

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<v Speaker 1>a deep, engaged conversation with her, as it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>she's not properly listening or interested in what I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say. Is there a way to politely tell her

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<v Speaker 1>that she does this or is this a quirk of

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<v Speaker 1>her personality that they just need to let go.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, this is such.

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<v Speaker 2>An uncomfortable question for me to answer because I have

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<v Speaker 2>been your friend and I've had this exact situation unfold

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<v Speaker 2>where I was needing to be accountable for some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of shitty behavior. The first thing I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>ask is whether you think this interrupting and this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like breaking of conversation is intentional, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is one of the situations where intension actually really

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<v Speaker 2>does matter.

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<v Speaker 3>Giving a little bit of context.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a symptom of ADHD that I wasn't aware

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<v Speaker 2>of until I was diagnosed. And that's kind of how

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<v Speaker 2>this whole thing came about within my own personal life.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize that I was so so so.

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<v Speaker 2>Bad for interrupting people's conversation because in my mind, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it showed that I was excited about the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>and that I had something to add to it and

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<v Speaker 2>that I wanted more, you know, like that was my

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<v Speaker 2>way of kind of engaging, and I didn't have any

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<v Speaker 2>self awareness at all as to how rude it was

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<v Speaker 2>or how it had the ability to make people feel

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<v Speaker 2>really diminished.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's the big and important part of this

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<v Speaker 1>is how it can take a conversation off track. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know, like Keisha, I have seen such a difference

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<v Speaker 1>in you, and I mean this with all deep kindness,

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<v Speaker 1>I truly do, but I've seen such a difference in

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<v Speaker 1>you since you have been diagnosed with like and you've

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<v Speaker 1>gone through being medicated in some way and figuring all

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<v Speaker 1>that out, like in how you approach conversations, because there

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<v Speaker 1>was and like it never ever ever was an issue.

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<v Speaker 3>Never was it like oh my god, Keisha, Like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Might not have been an issue for you, but it

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<v Speaker 2>definitely was for other people to be in life. And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel really embarrassed about it. And that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of want to ask you about your friend because

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<v Speaker 2>for me, like I actually this is so incredible embarrassing

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<v Speaker 2>And for anyone who's been through an ADHD diagnoses.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll know this.

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<v Speaker 2>You sit across from your psychiatrist and they ask you

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<v Speaker 2>the question of how do you go at turn taking

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<v Speaker 2>in conversation and you're like, am I three?

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, I talk for the whole conversation, What what

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Like? And it's meant to be a tennis match?

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<v Speaker 2>And I had, like I truly actually mean this, And

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<v Speaker 2>this is why I think you need to ask about

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<v Speaker 2>the intention. I had no idea that this is something

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<v Speaker 2>that I did, and I felt really embarrassed when I

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<v Speaker 2>became aware of it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think there is a really big.

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<v Speaker 2>Difference between whether your friend is aware of the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that they're doing this. If they are aware and they

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<v Speaker 2>don't care, it's fucking rude and you shouldn't be friends

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<v Speaker 2>with someone who only cares about themselves in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it might just be worth you investigating to Firstly.

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<v Speaker 3>I really want to validate you.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so reasonable that this pisses you off, and

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<v Speaker 2>that this makes you annoyed and not want to have

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<v Speaker 2>conversations because it makes you feel as though what you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to say is less important totally, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily a personal trait of theirs.

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<v Speaker 3>It may be. There are a couple of ways that you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can bring their attention to it, and if I was

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<v Speaker 2>to recommend some one on one, please don't do this

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<v Speaker 2>in a group environment. It's really really embarrassing when that happens.

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<v Speaker 2>It also will most likely make your friend feel guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think what you can kind of approach it

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<v Speaker 2>with is like, look, I just wanted to bring this

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<v Speaker 2>up with you and make you aware of the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that this is how I've felt some conversations have been

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<v Speaker 2>with you, and I want to know whether it's because

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<v Speaker 2>you don't think what I've got to say is important,

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<v Speaker 2>and that will give them the opportunity to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>that what you do have to say is important to them.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing that I really recommend is not

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<v Speaker 2>saying that other people have noticed it, because when you're

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<v Speaker 2>in the position of being the one who's in the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong here and you feel as though everyone has been

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<v Speaker 2>thinking and feeling this about you, you just feel like

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<v Speaker 2>the worst person, Like you actually feel really ashamed of yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not something like you know, if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>doing it intentionally, it's not an evil thing.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not trying to hurt people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also incredibly triangulating when using that. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>what the conversation is or what the argument is, saying

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<v Speaker 1>other people have said the same, or other people have

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<v Speaker 1>thought the same, or other people have said this to me,

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<v Speaker 1>any of those variations of that same context, or you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying to that person is we've been talking about you

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<v Speaker 1>behind your back.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what that says.

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<v Speaker 1>And you don't need to use other people's observations as

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<v Speaker 1>ammunition to make a point to your friend. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>cruel way of approaching conversation. And I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 1>you were going to do that either I think it

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<v Speaker 1>gives good context to the question that you've asked. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is more so just around how to approach it

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<v Speaker 1>with your friend and what parts to share with her

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<v Speaker 1>from a place of kindness and empathy verse what would

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<v Speaker 1>become and be seen as being super argumentative or being

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<v Speaker 1>seen as combative even the only thing I like I

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<v Speaker 1>want to add to that case because I think your

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<v Speaker 1>perspective on it is so important. I don't think it

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<v Speaker 1>is a normal trait of someone, like a personality trait,

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<v Speaker 1>to just be a chronic interrupter.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say that more.

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<v Speaker 1>Often than not, it does lend itself to someone who

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<v Speaker 1>does have some sort of maybe it's ADHD, maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of communication issues, because especially if they show

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<v Speaker 1>up as a great friend in every other way, that

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<v Speaker 1>would indicate that they are invested in you, they do

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<v Speaker 1>care about what you have to say. They are a

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<v Speaker 1>friend who is absolutely clocked in on the friendship. So

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<v Speaker 1>then it's not congruent for them to turn around and go, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't care what you say it I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna interrupt you. That to me seems like it is

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<v Speaker 1>just and I don't want to say part of their personality,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's part of the way in which they communicate,

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<v Speaker 1>whether that is right or wrong. But I can understand

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<v Speaker 1>why it is really really frustrating. I think the hardest

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<v Speaker 1>one for me is is it's not so much the

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<v Speaker 1>being interrupted, it's the deviating of the conversation away from

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<v Speaker 1>what it is that the group is talking about. That

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<v Speaker 1>can be really really hard because the other person doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>understand like the person who's doing it. They might even

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, oh, I tried to say something, you guys

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<v Speaker 1>aren't listening to me, and it's like, yeah, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>listening to you because you're not talking about the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, oh my gosh, I've actually just had a

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<v Speaker 2>moment of self awareness that we joked about on the

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:11.640
<v Speaker 2>podcast when I came to your house to watch I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a Celeb and I kept showing.

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<v Speaker 3>Your photos of Africa. Fuck, I'm this person.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry the memory I have and this is

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<v Speaker 1>the only time that I had noticed when because like Keise,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't do it and I don't want you to

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<v Speaker 1>leave this conversation having like this deeplag Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>But truly, it is something that I actually feel a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of shame about But you don't need to feel

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<v Speaker 3>shame about it. But I've been.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to work on it, and obviously it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>Self awareness is a beautiful thing.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I want to be so clear because in no

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<v Speaker 1>way do I want you to leave this conversation thinking

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<v Speaker 1>as though that the way in which you communicate is

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. I mean, you're a great communicator. Everyone who

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 1>listens to the podcast knows that you can. You can

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<v Speaker 1>talk for England, but also you listen for England too.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like you are very perceptive around what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that sometimes and this is what I

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<v Speaker 1>mean by maybe it's an indication of someone who does

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<v Speaker 1>have ADHD, is that if you get it in your

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<v Speaker 1>head that you want to talk about something, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter what the other conversation is that's happening here. It

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<v Speaker 1>has to be talked about right now. Do you remember

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 1>when we were we had the live shows and we

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 1>were all in the bus. I can't remember what we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about, but you wanted to tell everyone about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you had, like you spend a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time in tweet as we were driving towards.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't, I mean I have no this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, but that's really no awareness of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what you're talking about was like I have, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, awareness of this, and yes I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I did my university degree.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, it's a beautiful spot tweet is gorgeous

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not. But I also understand why that's time

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<v Speaker 1>sensitive because we're driving through an area, so like you

0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 1>want to be like, oh, this is because you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to drive past it and then it's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be there anymore. But at the same time, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>are they you know, is there another conversation that's happening

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<v Speaker 1>here that has to be in erupted for that? And

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like, take a second to have a

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<v Speaker 1>look at your friend's overall behavior and are there other

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<v Speaker 1>indicators that might show that she has other things going

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 1>on in her personality? Are there other small indicators And

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's good to kind of like do a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of read up on ADHD for example, so you

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:20.119
<v Speaker 1>can be like, oh, yeah, you know what, Wow, she

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 1>does have a few of these other things as well.

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<v Speaker 1>This might be a moment where she has self reflection

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<v Speaker 1>in her own life and kind of realizes that there

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<v Speaker 1>are some things that she struggles with that have become

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<v Speaker 1>so normal to her that she's not even conscious of.

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Or it might be something that she's absolutely in denial

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<v Speaker 1>about and it's not actually a problem for her, or

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 1>maybe she doesn't have it and it is just something

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>that she does. There's many ways in which this could unfold,

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.400
<v Speaker 1>but I think it is okay with you to have a.

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<v Speaker 2>Conversation with her about it, especially if it makes you

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 2>feel like this, Yeah, I also just to like to

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<v Speaker 2>end this conversation. I also want to say that if

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:54.919
<v Speaker 2>that is the case, let's say that actually she is

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.400
<v Speaker 2>similar to me, had no idea that this is something

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<v Speaker 2>that she does really badly and it was symptomatic of

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<v Speaker 2>something else, even if she is to be diagnosed. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really really strong talking about this because I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't think everyone feels this way. It's not an excuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though I have ADHD and I have a tendency

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<v Speaker 2>to interrupt people, that's actually my responsibility to try and

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<v Speaker 2>work on because it has the effect of hurting people.

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 2>So it's not like a get out a jail free

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<v Speaker 2>card of I've.

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<v Speaker 3>Got a condition.

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<v Speaker 2>I can do whatever the fuck I want and say

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<v Speaker 2>what I want in conversation and you just have to

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<v Speaker 2>get over it.

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<v Speaker 3>It does give.

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<v Speaker 2>You more context that you know it's not malicious, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's where it becomes a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a better place to start the conversation because you have

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<v Speaker 2>an understanding of the fact that they're not meaning to

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<v Speaker 2>do it, but they also need to take accountability for

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 2>the fact that they have done it and they need

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<v Speaker 2>to work on it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really interesting because me and Friedman, she came out

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was the last year you before, saying

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<v Speaker 1>that she had been diagnosed, and it happens for women

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot. It's a late onset diagnosis. We're seeing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of conversations about it now. She was diagnosed with

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<v Speaker 1>ADHD later in life, and she said it was like

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>someone turned the lights on because of the fact that

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 1>even from like an interview perspective, she obviously has mum

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:08.160
<v Speaker 1>and me and no filter. She interviews people all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and so much the feedback that she'd received over the

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<v Speaker 1>years was that she interrupted guests, and she was like,

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>it made sense because it's not it wasn't an intentional interruption,

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't trying to make it about herself. It was

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 1>a enthusiasm about the conversation as you said, which I

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 1>myself can completely relate to.

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<v Speaker 3>Keisha. Just one thing I want to ask you in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of like.

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<v Speaker 1>A personal reaction slash response, when your friend brought it

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<v Speaker 1>up with you and made it aware to you that

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<v Speaker 1>this is how you were behaving, how did you respond

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<v Speaker 1>to that and how did that make you feel?

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<v Speaker 2>I had it happened twice, one was with a friend

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 2>and one was with my boyfriend, and not well. I

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't respond well because I felt attacked, defensive, so incredibly defensive.

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 2>And I have enough awareness of it now and this

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 2>has been a benefit of medication for me. I'm able

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<v Speaker 2>to zoom out and be less personally offended and go

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<v Speaker 2>They had a really good point, like they both had

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.239
<v Speaker 2>such a point. They both had multiple examples. But at

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the time, I was like, this is just an attack

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:12.719
<v Speaker 2>on my character because I didn't mean to do it,

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I felt like I was. I thought

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I was trying to engage with you, like I thought

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I was trying to get more and add, like add

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<v Speaker 2>to the conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Not take away from it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't realize that we're making it about yourself,

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Like I wasn't trying to us, trying to use my

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<v Speaker 1>life experience to empathize with you, like as a comparison

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 1>instead of just listening.

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so initially, like I mean, your friend probably

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 2>will be. That's why I think it's really important that

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 2>you do this in such a soft way. I think

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>it's probably best if you do it when I mean

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>you say it. You kind of constantly notice it, so

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 2>it's probably not going to be long before it happens again.

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 2>And if I were you, and or if I was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of reversing it and saying how I think it

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 2>would be best if it happens in the moment, I

0:30:57.800 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 2>think that's when i'd bring it up, and I think

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.479
<v Speaker 2>i'd go, can we just stop for a second. I

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 2>really wanted to talk to you about this, and I

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:06.960
<v Speaker 2>just felt like you really interrupted me. And I just

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 2>want to make you aware of that, because sometimes I

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 2>feel not listened to in our conversations and I feel

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 2>like you dominate the conversation a bit, and I just

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 2>wanted to like kind of broach that with you. I think, yeah,

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 2>I understand why you're like, this drives me mental.

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 3>It's so rude and it cuts off conversation.

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 2>But please figure out first whether your friend is kind

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 2>of like deliberately doing it. If they are, if they're

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 2>like just a really self involved, selfish person, I'd probably

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<v Speaker 2>be decreasing the friendship.

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 1>And that's a whole different response. But I think there'll

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 1>be other indicators of that, not just the cutting off thing.

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Okay, let's get into question number two. Enough talking

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:41.479
<v Speaker 3>about me.

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Sorry we interrupting talking about myself? Okay, question number two,

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<v Speaker 2>And I just want to preface this by saying that

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 2>right now, if conversations around termination or abortion are hard

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 2>for you to listen to, it might be best that

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 2>you skip this question. I've recently moved into state to

0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 2>a brand new city and I'm loving it. I met

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 2>a guy pretty soon after arriving here, and he is amazing.

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 2>It has been the best start to my new life

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 2>in a new city, and I'm feeling as though the

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 2>puzzle pieces are finally falling together. Turns out, the first

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 2>night we slept together, I fell pregnant. I am not

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 2>in a position to keep the baby, and we're aligned

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 2>on that decision. However, he hasn't been as supportive as

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 2>I would have hoped. I've been super sick, unable to work, bedridden,

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:25.200
<v Speaker 2>and he hasn't been replying to my messages for days

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>on end. He hasn't offered to bring me anything, or

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 2>even just pay for my appointments or supplies, or even

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 2>just ask how I'm doing. I know we're not together,

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 2>but I can't help but feel disappointed in the way

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>that he's handled this. What would your tips be before

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 2>going forward in this situation, the hardest part is still

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 2>ahead of us. And if he's not realizing the gravity

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 2>of the situation now, how should I approach it when

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 2>I go through the procedure? Should I keep seeing him after?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the very first line that you said was

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<v Speaker 1>I met a guy pretty soon after arriving here, and

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 1>he is amazing. He doesn't sound amazing at all. He

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<v Speaker 1>sounds pretty average.

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Is it?

0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 1>He amazing because on paper he ticks the boxes of

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 1>what you wanted in a person, like when you went

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<v Speaker 1>up for a few dates. Because obviously this must be

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 1>still really early. If you got pregnant the first time

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 1>you slept together, and now you're at a point where

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>you're going through the potential of a termination, it still

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>must be relatively early in the dating of you guys.

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 1>So my question around his amazingness is is he amazing

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>on paper? Is he amazing in terms of the things

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that you think you want in a person, and does

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.160
<v Speaker 1>he tick those boxes, because the way in which he's

0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 1>behaving around this situation to me, would say and indicate

0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 1>that he is not amazing. Firstly, I want to say,

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry that you're going through this and that

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>you feel alone. But secondly, I think it's very very

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 1>early in your relationship. Like, as you said, you're not exclusive,

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 1>you're not even really dating. It's very early in your

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>relationship to have any understanding as to who that person is.

0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 1>The person that you've been on a few dates with,

0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you don't know them at all. And I think that

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>some is reaction to something like this, especially when you're

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>on the same page, especially when you've both made the

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 1>decision that you want to have a termination, is very

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 1>very indicative of who that person is and how much

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 1>they care for you, how empathetic they are, how much

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.919
<v Speaker 1>they're willing to take care of you, and not because

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 1>they have an obligation to because you're their girlfriend, but

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>because they're actually a kind person who realizes that this

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>might be hard for you and cares that it's hard

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 1>for you, so they show up, so they check in.

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that that really defines who a person is

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 1>or isn't, And for me, that's what I would be

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 1>making my decisions on around whether or not I wanted

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.719
<v Speaker 1>to date them in the future. Not because when I

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 1>first met them they seem like they ticked all the boxes.

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:42.839
<v Speaker 1>Because you know, we all know one chemistry can lie

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 1>and two you can have someone who ticks every single

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:47.759
<v Speaker 1>box in the world. But then after getting to know

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 1>them a bit, you're like, actually, you're a bit of

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:49.879
<v Speaker 1>a dick.

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Also, does this person show up for you? Yeah, because

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I think he's really showing you who he is. He

0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:58.879
<v Speaker 2>might be amazing when you go on your first few

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 2>dates and you're getting to know it each other and

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 2>you're having all this fun, but he's showing you that

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 2>he's not there for you when you're down and out totally.

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:09.879
<v Speaker 1>Also, if you're communicating with him that you're sick, you're

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 1>going through this on your own, your bed ridden, and

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 1>you're also financially paying for everything, and he hasn't at

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:20.840
<v Speaker 1>all shown an interest or cared for your health, for

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>your financial wellbeing. He hasn't contributed in any way like that,

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.080
<v Speaker 1>to me speaks so much greater than what he was

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>on the first few dates or how you thought he

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:34.320
<v Speaker 1>was prior. I myself, would I want to continue giving

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:37.440
<v Speaker 1>this guy time and energy. No, I wouldn't. And I

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 1>know that there's probably ways that you could mentally split this.

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 1>You could kind of I think you could convince yourself, well,

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>we're not exclusive, so it's not really his problem yet.

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Also, the whole you're in the driver's seat of this

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 2>decision totally, you know, like you do have more of

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 2>a Basically, the outcome could very much change his life.

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of people give a bit

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:02.399
<v Speaker 2>too much credit to men in those situations that are like, well,

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 2>I was just scared because I didn't know what she

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 2>was going to do.

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:07.399
<v Speaker 1>I think, like, and I know we've said it, this

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.400
<v Speaker 1>is a real testament to who his character is. Because

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 1>there are some men who will show up for you,

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 1>regardless of whether they're in a relationship with you or

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:17.439
<v Speaker 1>whether And what I mean by show up is they

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:19.839
<v Speaker 1>just show that they care. They will at least check in,

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 1>They will offer to financially contribute. That I think should

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>be normal. And I know that there are people out

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>there who would behave like that. And so if you've

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 1>found yourself with someone who only cares in the good

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 1>times and is completely lacking an empathy right now for

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.719
<v Speaker 1>you with what you're going through something that they participated in,

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 1>regardless of whether you're exclusive or not exclusive, I don't

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>think that they should approach it differently. I think that

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>there should be a level of care and consideration that's

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>still given and that you are still entitled to. So

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to mentally make excuses for him

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:52.279
<v Speaker 1>on the basis that there's the caveat of oh, but

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>we weren't exclusive, so maybe, like I shouldn't expect that

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>of him, and you know, maybe you shouldn't expect it

0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:00.399
<v Speaker 1>of him, but I certainly wouldn't giving HI more opportunities

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:02.240
<v Speaker 1>once that termination has happened.

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you and I are pretty aligned on

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 2>how we feel about this, And I'm sorry if that's

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of hard for you to process at the moment,

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 2>because you're already going through a lot and you've.

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:12.320
<v Speaker 3>Just moved into state.

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 2>So I think the next thing to ask yourself is

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 2>do I have support around me to go through this

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:22.359
<v Speaker 2>procedure here? Or can you potentially go back to where

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 2>you're from, where you have deep connections.

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 3>Of people who will look after you.

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Because I mean, this experience can be so different for

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.759
<v Speaker 2>so many people. For some people, it's a very emotional

0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:36.560
<v Speaker 2>experience and it's very hard and physically they can experience

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 2>a lot as well, and they need a bit of

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 2>downtime and they need love around them. For other people,

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 2>I know people who have said they've had much, much,

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 2>much worse periods and they were not emotionally connected to

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 2>it whatsoever. So it really can exist on such a.

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Scale, and unfortunately, you don't really know how you're going

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>to respond until you're.

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 3>In it totally.

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:58.799
<v Speaker 1>But also on that thoughkish if you have responded adversely

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>to it, if it is something that you're struggling with

0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 1>and you've communicated that to the person who has contributed

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.040
<v Speaker 1>to the situation in the first place, and they're not

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 1>showing you that they care, especially if you're in the

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:11.440
<v Speaker 1>early days of dating, why would you invest any more

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:13.400
<v Speaker 1>time in them? You know, like, because I think that unfortunately,

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 1>this spook in the road has happened so early in

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 1>your relationship. If he showed a deep level of empathy,

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 1>if he showed that he cared around how you feel.

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 1>If he was like making sure financially you were okay,

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 1>it would be a no brainer.

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 3>You would still want to go through with the termination.

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:30.480
<v Speaker 1>That wouldn't necessarily change your opinion on your fertility or

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:33.279
<v Speaker 1>on your plans, but it would make you go, this

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:35.839
<v Speaker 1>is a fucking great guy, as everyone.

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Who turns up for me when I need it.

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I want to date him, Like, you know,

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 1>way too early to have kids with this person, but

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to date him and I want to see

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:45.400
<v Speaker 1>where this goes. Whereas like he has done the complete opposite.

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 1>He has shown you in a time of a very

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.320
<v Speaker 1>stressful situation, who he is and how he's going to

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 1>show up. And I wouldn't personally be giving him another opportunity.

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:58.280
<v Speaker 1>From a very serious question to a very silly question.

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 1>It's a real change of pace here, Okay. Question number three,

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Please help me settle this debate between my boyfriend and I.

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Is it okay to pee in the shower when I

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 1>shower with my boyfriend? For context, we shower together every night,

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:15.840
<v Speaker 1>and he always finds it weird and gross that I

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 1>have to pee in the shower. But I think it's

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>fine as it ends up just going down the same

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.840
<v Speaker 1>pipes to the same destination as the toilet. Debatable, Do

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 1>you shit in the shower? Should he just get over it?

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Or should I stop peeing in the shower when he

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:31.280
<v Speaker 1>is in there with me? Yes, you should absolutely stop

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 1>peeing in the shower when he's there with you.

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:35.879
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, there are.

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Two questions here, and one of them really centers around consent.

0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay, unless you're into.

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Golden showers and you have expressed she not peing on him.

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.719
<v Speaker 1>She could, but she's just standing to the side of him,

0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:49.840
<v Speaker 1>around his feet.

0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 2>I would not like her if my boyfriend peede around

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>me in the shower. Frankly, if you say you don't

0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 2>pee in showers, I think you're lying. I think most

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>people pee in the shower.

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 3>I agree.

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>It's convenient, it's warm, and it makes you need to go.

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Even if you've done one beforehand, you always end up

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 1>doing it in the shower. Yeah, not a bath, though,

0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 1>you've got to get out of a bath. But the

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<v Speaker 1>shower's fine.

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Game on.

0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 2>I see this as if you are alone, absolutely play on.

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 3>That's your decision.

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:19.879
<v Speaker 2>You can make that decision because you're the only one

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<v Speaker 2>impacted by it. If you're with someone else in the shower,

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:28.800
<v Speaker 2>they have to also agree to that. You cannot keep

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:32.239
<v Speaker 2>peeing around your boy doesn't want you to.

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:34.280
<v Speaker 3>You're in the wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I am in full of Greeans and I'm so sorry

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 1>because when you guys writing questions, I know it's usually

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 1>because you expect that we're gonna side.

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:44.399
<v Speaker 3>With you or give you the outcome that you hope for.

0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:47.280
<v Speaker 2>I think you're funny, and I think you're really bold.

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:50.319
<v Speaker 1>I do also like good on you for having the

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 1>self confidence just to piss next to your partner who

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:55.879
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want you to. Like. Good on you for having

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 1>that much self comf I don't. I don't know where

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:00.759
<v Speaker 1>you found it. I'd like some I I agree. I

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:02.799
<v Speaker 1>think anyone who says they don't pee in the shower

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 1>is lying. I think everybody has peed in the shower,

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:07.720
<v Speaker 1>whether you're a regular peer in the shower or whether

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 1>it just happens from time to time. I think most

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 1>people pee in the shower. Is it okay to do

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 1>it when your partner is in the shower, it's fine

0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 1>if they're fine with it. That he has expressed that

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:19.880
<v Speaker 1>he's not fine with it, and he would like you

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 1>to stop, and you do not care. And I think

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 1>that that it's not about whether it's okay, because it's

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 1>the same pipes. It's about him saying this is a

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 1>boundary for me, and you're just saying.

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:31.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't care.

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna piss on the piss on that boundary. Yeah,

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:37.799
<v Speaker 1>so I would say I would say stop. I would

0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:39.240
<v Speaker 1>say just go to the toilet first.

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't even mind if you pee while he's in

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 2>the shower. Like, if you're just on the toilet peeing,

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 2>that's fine. You do you, that's no problem. I mean, oh,

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 2>look if he's okay with that, which like sorry, if

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 2>you've been peeing the shower with him, he's probably gonna

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 2>prefer you to be the toilet next to it.

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:56.840
<v Speaker 3>I think he would be okay with that.

0:41:57.200 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Also, Okay, do not ever just do it where you

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:01.279
<v Speaker 1>just let it little bit ghost then no one knows,

0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 1>like Matt will be brushing his teeth and if I

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 1>need to pee, I'll just pee a little bit.

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:04.919
<v Speaker 3>Good for the pelvic floor.

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Stop peel a little bit, stop, peel little bit, stop

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:08.759
<v Speaker 1>so that.

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 3>He secretly pee.

0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, you fucking hypocrit You just pee, girl, now

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>this is when he's in the room brushing his teeth.

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 3>I would never do it with him in the shower.

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 1>No, I just secret pee if he's coming, if he

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 1>has entered my space to do something whilst I'm in

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:27.919
<v Speaker 1>the shower and he's chatting away, I'm not gonna say, hey, honey,

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:29.320
<v Speaker 1>can you go out second piss in the shower.

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:32.120
<v Speaker 2>I'll just try and get it with a bit of

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the strong smelling shampoo.

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 3>You've got a bit of body wash. And then I

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:40.320
<v Speaker 3>just go on, off, on off too much. Too much.

0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 3>I share too much on this podcast. We all do.

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:44.399
<v Speaker 2>We actually way too much.

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:46.919
<v Speaker 1>Yesterday I was at an event from the Witchery white

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>shirt campaign and Matt's beautiful ex girlfriend was there, right.

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 3>Who we're friendly with. She's really really.

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:55.879
<v Speaker 1>Lovely every It's also though one of those things where

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 1>like they're friends and like we're friendly, but we're not

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 1>friends and they are like a long term sh was

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:01.839
<v Speaker 1>like a long term ex of his. But we said

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>hello and she's great, and she was like, I listened

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:08.400
<v Speaker 1>to the podcast, please talk Why why do you listen

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 1>to this?

0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:12.399
<v Speaker 2>Because it's validating for her because she's seven minutes over

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 2>here in the amount of times I've.

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Put my life say she's really hot. If you're listening

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 3>to this, you're really hot. Yeah that's her. I know. Yeah,

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 3>that's hurtful, sad for Matt. All right, last question.

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I lost my dad when I was a teenager from

0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:32.799
<v Speaker 1>a neuro degenerative disorder. This disorder is genetic and each

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 1>child has a fifty to fifty chance of inheriting it,

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:36.720
<v Speaker 1>with it being a dominant gene.

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 3>Actually, you guys had a conversation with.

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Mega Marx about something that was inherited in a similar

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:44.720
<v Speaker 2>way four months ago. There is no cure or treatment,

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 2>so it essentially is a death sentence. My sister is

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:50.920
<v Speaker 2>in the latest stages of the disease, having been diagnosed

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 2>in her mid twenties. I haven't been tested due to

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:56.120
<v Speaker 2>not feeling ready, but I'm starting to look into testing

0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:58.480
<v Speaker 2>now as I've started to realize how much it has

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 2>held me back from things in my life I've such

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 2>as my relationships and my career. At this stage, from

0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 2>our family history, it's looking like I don't have it.

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I have been single for a long time because of

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.440
<v Speaker 2>this and not wanting to bring someone into my life

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:14.279
<v Speaker 2>just in case I have it. For them to have

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 2>to witness what my family is going through. I've been

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:19.239
<v Speaker 2>on a few dates recently, but a lot of the

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:22.080
<v Speaker 2>time people ask why I've been single for so long.

0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 2>At what stage do I tell them my family history.

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to scare people straight away, but also

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:29.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to misinform them.

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I feel very strongly that you do not owe a

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:37.440
<v Speaker 1>stranger your medical history. You don't have to tell them

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:39.799
<v Speaker 1>all the information because you don't know whether you want

0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:42.719
<v Speaker 1>to be with them yet either. So I think have

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>some grace for yourself. I can only imagine how challenging

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:49.240
<v Speaker 1>this has been for you. I can only imagine how

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 1>horrible it must be to feel like you have a

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.280
<v Speaker 1>death sentence hanging over you and not want to burden

0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 1>anyone with that. Like that is a truly empathetic and

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.280
<v Speaker 1>kind way that you've approached it. But you also can't

0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:02.799
<v Speaker 1>limit your your life and not live your life in

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 1>the fear of something that could be ten years, twenty years,

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.759
<v Speaker 1>thirty years, a normal life span, you know what I mean.

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Imagine getting to a ripe old age and being like,

0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I never lived my life to the fullest because I

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:18.720
<v Speaker 1>was so afraid of dying earlier, but it never happened,

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 1>you will live with so much regret. And I know

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:23.360
<v Speaker 1>it's easy for me to say this because I'm not

0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:25.200
<v Speaker 1>going through it, and so please forgive me if that

0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 1>comes across in any way ignorant or insensitive. But I

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:31.760
<v Speaker 1>just don't think that you have to share with someone

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:36.200
<v Speaker 1>your medical, your very very personal family medical history until

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 1>you're at a point where you feel as though that

0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 1>person is worthy of you investing that in them, and

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 1>then they can make up their decision if that's the case,

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:44.799
<v Speaker 1>and that might be then something that you have to

0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.920
<v Speaker 1>go through that could potentially show whether they're either A

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 1>invested or B. It might be hurtful if they decide

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:54.239
<v Speaker 1>it's too much for them. But I don't think it's

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 1>wise for you to approach very early dating with the

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:02.920
<v Speaker 1>extremely heavy information of something that you don't have all

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:06.239
<v Speaker 1>the information for because people will always go to worst

0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:09.319
<v Speaker 1>case scenario or they'll go, Okay, well do I want

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:11.239
<v Speaker 1>to invest my time in that? And thing is you

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 1>just don't know the person yet, you don't know whether

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 1>or not you want to invest your time in them.

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I completely agree with everything you've said, and I truly

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of empathy for the anxiety that you

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.720
<v Speaker 2>have to live with this space of not knowing, because

0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a question that a lot of people,

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:29.160
<v Speaker 2>especially ones that have the potential of inheriting, and you're

0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 2>a generative disorder that is dominantly inherited. Often and I'm

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 2>not sure if this is the case for yours, but

0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:39.680
<v Speaker 2>often with dominant conditions like this, the age of onset

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.400
<v Speaker 2>gets younger as the generations go on. And so I

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 2>think that, as you've stated, your sister is in the

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:47.840
<v Speaker 2>late stages of this disease.

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 3>So I mean it's completely up to you.

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 2>You've said that you're probably at the point where you

0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 2>are going to get tested yourself, and I just send

0:46:57.120 --> 0:46:58.719
<v Speaker 2>so much love to you for that, because that would

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:01.120
<v Speaker 2>just be such a fucking heart desis to make, because

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 2>on one hand, it could give you so much freedom

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 2>because it could say you're in the clear and then

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 2>hopefully your anxieties about this would go away.

0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:12.719
<v Speaker 1>But also even if you do get tested for that,

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:15.160
<v Speaker 1>if it's something that's hereditary in your family, is there

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.799
<v Speaker 1>still the fear around or could I pass it on

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.480
<v Speaker 1>through a recessive gene to my child? Will that then

0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 1>be a consideration for a partner if you want to

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 1>have children together, Like, does it go beyond it just

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:27.479
<v Speaker 1>being about you and then a being about like what

0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:30.799
<v Speaker 1>your next generation could look like if you do want

0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:31.480
<v Speaker 1>to have children.

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Is that something that you're grappling with four dominant conditions?

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 2>That's not usually the case for recessive conditions. It absolutely

0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:41.240
<v Speaker 2>is something that you would need to go through genetic

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:43.759
<v Speaker 2>testing if you were It's sorry, you may want to

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:46.000
<v Speaker 2>go through genetic testing if you wanted to have a child.

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.239
<v Speaker 3>But the other thing that I think you may be

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:50.919
<v Speaker 3>kind of missing in.

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:52.719
<v Speaker 2>This is that you're kind of talking about, like, at

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 2>what stage do I tell them about my family history? Again,

0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:59.400
<v Speaker 2>they're not entitled to that information, but when you find

0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:02.840
<v Speaker 2>someone that you feel comfortable sharing that with, that's a

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:05.719
<v Speaker 2>very real thing that you're experiencing in your life and

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 2>that you're having to go through with your family and

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:12.320
<v Speaker 2>be alongside your sister as she is going through this condition.

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:16.319
<v Speaker 2>And I think it's really really sad, But I do

0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:18.840
<v Speaker 2>understand where it comes from that you haven't wanted to

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:21.480
<v Speaker 2>let someone get close because right now you're dealing with

0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:24.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot. So I think just kind of try and

0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:27.360
<v Speaker 2>take the pressure off of yourself because you are experiencing

0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:30.040
<v Speaker 2>something that many, many, many of us will never.

0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:30.760
<v Speaker 3>Have to go through.

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:33.240
<v Speaker 2>And I don't want you to also be hard on yourself,

0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:35.279
<v Speaker 2>being like, oh, but I'm also not achieving in my

0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:38.719
<v Speaker 2>career and not achieving in my relationships. Totally, totally, You're

0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:41.080
<v Speaker 2>actually you're doing a fucking good job.

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, you're also in survival mode. You can't be flourishing

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 1>in areas of your life when you're in survival mode.

0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:50.480
<v Speaker 1>That I almost want to I mean, in knowing that

0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you don't know, and whether you do go and get

0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:55.200
<v Speaker 1>tested or don't get tested as entirely up to you

0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:58.200
<v Speaker 1>and how what will give you less or more anxiety,

0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Like how you feel is the better way for you

0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:02.920
<v Speaker 1>to live. But I think it's important to kind of

0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:04.880
<v Speaker 1>flip the script a little bit, And I guess I

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:07.960
<v Speaker 1>want to ask the question of if this was happening

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:10.440
<v Speaker 1>to someone else, if there was someone else who is

0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:13.680
<v Speaker 1>in your life, who you loved, who had the possibility

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:16.040
<v Speaker 1>or the situation that you were in, would you think

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:18.799
<v Speaker 1>that they're deserving of love or a relationship. Would you

0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 1>think that they're still deserving of somebody out there wanting

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:24.239
<v Speaker 1>to be with them or would you say to your

0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.560
<v Speaker 1>family member or your friend, Actually that's too much of

0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:30.600
<v Speaker 1>a burden, Like what would be your honest opinion if

0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:32.959
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't about yourself but it was about someone else,

0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 1>And because I'm talking about you, I would say, you're

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 1>so deserving of being loved, just so deserving of a relationship.

0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:43.000
<v Speaker 1>And somebody who wants to be with you will make

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:45.399
<v Speaker 1>the choice as though they're opting in. But you've got

0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:47.719
<v Speaker 1>to give them the opportunity to make that decision if

0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:49.680
<v Speaker 1>they want to make it, you know, But I think

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:52.439
<v Speaker 1>you only have to give that decision to someone who

0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:55.080
<v Speaker 1>is worthy of it, of someone who's invested, of someone

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:58.560
<v Speaker 1>who is deserving of that information. And you don't have

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.640
<v Speaker 1>to tell anyone who you don't that information, because that's

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 1>something that's earned when there's a level of connection and

0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 1>trust and commitment.

0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Almost absolutely, And it sounds by the way you've written

0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 2>this in that you've kind of gone on the assumption

0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:13.400
<v Speaker 2>that if you were to tell anyone that this was

0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:16.920
<v Speaker 2>the case and that you were positive for the genetic mutation,

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:21.440
<v Speaker 2>you're kind of assuming that they would run for the hills,

0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:24.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, like you're not actually giving them the opportunity.

0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:26.640
<v Speaker 3>To say, Okay, well, like, what's this going to look

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<v Speaker 3>like for us?

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<v Speaker 2>You're just kind of making the firm assumption that no

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<v Speaker 2>one would want to be with you. And exactly like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, Laura, you're very worthy of love.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm really sorry for what you're going through and

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<v Speaker 1>what your sister and your family are experiencing as well,

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<v Speaker 1>because it must be really, really really challenging and very difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>When we spoke to Megan, she spoke about going through

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<v Speaker 1>a very very similar situation and going through the real

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<v Speaker 1>considerations around what would dating look like. Maybe it would

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<v Speaker 1>give you some souls to have listened to that episode,

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to other people who maybe have been in

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<v Speaker 1>similar situations, how they navigated the idea of day, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's something they felt comfortable to do, Because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we can tell you what we think, but at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, we have never been in this situation, so

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that we're approaching it with enough empathy and

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<v Speaker 1>with you know, enough understanding from the little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>information that you've given us. We'll link the Mega Marks

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<v Speaker 1>episode in the show notes as well if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to have a listen to it and go back so

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<v Speaker 1>you can find it easily. But that is it from

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<v Speaker 1>ask Guys. If you have any questions for Ask gun Cut,

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<v Speaker 1>slide into the DMS at Life on Cut podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>pop it in there. Also, if you have any accidentally

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<v Speaker 3>To find us.

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<v Speaker 2>I've just realized this might be my last Ask gun

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<v Speaker 2>Cut for a while. Brit might be back next week.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, well, I don't know, I who know who knows?

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<v Speaker 2>Keep voting Vote boy, Vote boy, vote because if she wins,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand dollars will be going to a very

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<v Speaker 2>deserving charity in Rise Up.

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<v Speaker 3>So it works tenfold.

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<v Speaker 1>Right One, if you keep voting, Brick could win, which

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<v Speaker 1>is also a win. And then also if you keep

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<v Speaker 1>voting producer Key, she says on the podcast longer like

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's in a winter back, might detraction can bring proof?

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<v Speaker 1>I no, absolutely not. I have loved having you on

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. I have loved recording alongside you. Anyway, Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the drill. Please mom, tea, your dad, tell you, doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>your friends and shadel love because we love love