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Speaker 1: Well you are listening to the week that was and

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Speaker 1: another busy morning, no doubt, and a bit of a

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Speaker 1: the Colps, Marie clear Booth be good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: And we have indeed got the NT News first time

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Speaker 1: he's on the show. Harry Brol Good morning to you,

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Speaker 1: Good morning Katie, lovely to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: We've got the Independent Justine Davis, Good morning to you, Justine.

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Speaker 1: Hey Katie, lovely to have you on the show and

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Speaker 1: joining us live on the line. We don't usually do

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Speaker 1: this morning for Durran Young who's joining us live from What.

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Speaker 3: A good a duran Ah, Good morning Katie and yeah,

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Speaker 3: so good morning to listenism on the side of the

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Speaker 4: Daily River, Honey, Daily River. Thank you mate.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you finding a good spot. So you've got

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Speaker 1: coverage for us for the hour and there is so

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Speaker 1: much to discuss, so we're really keen to make sure

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Speaker 1: that we had you on the show. Now, let's first

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Speaker 1: take a look at the situation that's folded in the

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Speaker 1: last twenty four hours with the investigation into racism within

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Force, which previously uncovered racist towards

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Speaker 1: deemed too offensive for public release. It's found no further

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Speaker 1: evidence of racist behavior in the force since twenty fifteen

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Speaker 1: and concluded that the matter be closed now. Patricia Kelly,

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Speaker 1: sc the person leading the investigation while the IKAX Michael

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Speaker 1: Richards remains on indefinite leave, said that despite making no

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Speaker 1: recommendations or prosecutions, the investigation had largely fulfilled one of

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Speaker 1: its objectives by highlighting historical evidence of racism within the

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Speaker 1: Elite Territory Response Group, the terg Police Unit now the

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Speaker 1: makes no adverse findings and the investigation is now closed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that dune and dusted, Mary Clare or realistically,

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Speaker 1: do we need to accept that there has been racism

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a member of the police force, but do

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Speaker 2: Katie? That investigation was dating back to twenty fifteen and

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Speaker 2: those allegations made, and of course this report has been

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Speaker 2: handed down. It did find that there were no adverse

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Speaker 2: findings and of course he's closed and the SELP never

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Speaker 2: anti police. There was definitely nothing found in the most

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Speaker 2: And we know that our police work extremely hard out

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Speaker 2: you know, we want everyone to move on. Now, let's

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Speaker 1: Douran, you're coming to us live this morning from as

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Speaker 1: you said, other side of the road there out near

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Speaker 1: Daily River. You are an indigenous man, I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you accept these findings?

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Speaker 4: What do you make of it all?

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Speaker 3: Look, I've been troubling this week, so I haven't actually

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks justin.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, no question that our police work really hard.

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Speaker 5: This is our body, our integrity body here that we

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Speaker 1: Justin do you think that there is systemic racism within

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Speaker 5: I think that we've seen lots of evidence, and including

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Speaker 1: In terms of the resourcing of the IKAC like, I

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Speaker 4: Do we move forward from this point with the IKAK.

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Speaker 6: regarding investigation into police culture. AYKAK have had plenty of

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Speaker 2: I think when it comes to the when you said that,

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Speaker 2: Very well respected person who can and can really put

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Speaker 4: So do you think the iye Cack's working.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you think we're in a situation right

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Speaker 2: I think for a jurisdiction of our size, we have

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Speaker 2: Then we're going to do that.

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Speaker 5: And at the end of the day, what we need

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget that it wasn't that long ago that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think we're at a stage where people

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Speaker 2: And that's right because over the last eight years we

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Speaker 4: Probably Olive Duran, Sorry I heard you king to talk there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, like Look, I was just going to say

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Speaker 3: And that was an election promised by Michael Gunner.

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Speaker 4: Oh, but it continued on. Unfortunately it continued on, d

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Speaker 3: The point of the IKAK Commissioner that doesn't allow any

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Speaker 4: The Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: The Territory Coordinator delivers on a commitment that they made.

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Speaker 4: The Government says.

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Speaker 1: At both the twenty two and twenty twenty acting in

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Speaker 4: Is Stuart Knowles. He will act as the.

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Speaker 1: Interim Territory Coordinator, the Chief Minister saying that Stuart has

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Speaker 1: Across quite a few sort of different areas. But nonetheless,

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Speaker 2: I think, Katie, it's really important with this particular bill

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Speaker 2: This particular bill is not new. There are other states

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Speaker 1: Well, not only the too hard basket can sometimes be

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Speaker 4: Around the amphibious aircraft project.

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Speaker 1: She told us on the show earlier in the week

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Speaker 1: I think with I hope with this Territory Coordinator role

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Speaker 2: The ground absolutely, and it does require a lot in

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Speaker 6: On the other side of the corn though, too, we've

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Speaker 2: The whole point about the Territory Coordinator is that there

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Speaker 1: I mean, justin you've had real concerns about this right

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, and consultation is great, it's really good. I'm

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Speaker 4: It's still there's still really.

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Speaker 5: Major concerns, you know, in terms of what was released yesterday,

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Speaker 5: But we know that the overreach in these laws remains,

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Speaker 5: They just it's just people are not comfortable with that.

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Speaker 1: Do you accept though, that the reality is that you

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Speaker 4: In time is going to it's going to be developed.

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen any evidence that we're actually have made

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Speaker 5: I think you know, when you talk to people about

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Speaker 1: It did not everybody would agree with that, though, Justine,

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Speaker 4: In the NT. Yeah, what in what way is Katie well.

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Speaker 1: In terms of employing locals that need jobs and their

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Speaker 1: And I get that, But I'm going to push back

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're still here years and years later.

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Speaker 5: And I don't think people are opposed to, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: We are literally in a situation where we all want

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Speaker 1: greater investment in things like our youth detention center, in

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Speaker 4: In different ways.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to be in billions and billions of

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Speaker 1: dollars worth of debt, but we don't want to sort

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Speaker 1: of create our own source revenue or we're very concerned

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Speaker 1: about different projects. So I'm just I guess for me,

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Speaker 1: I'm reaching a point where I'm not sure what kind

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Speaker 1: of projects people are happy to go ahead with. For

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Speaker 1: us to actually start to flourish and to see some

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Speaker 1: jobs created and to see people moving back here.

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Speaker 6: What a start on that I was just going to

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Speaker 6: ask Iran, I mean, obviously we've had using using use

451
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Speaker 6: of stagnation economically and Derhan, are you surprised that they

452
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Speaker 6: is eight appetite for this kind of bill?

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Speaker 3: Look like just going back to the point of the

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Speaker 3: Territory Coordinator itself and just picking up some of the

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Speaker 3: points that Maria Claire booth Be made in terms of

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Speaker 3: it was open to the public, Like, let's be very clear,

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Speaker 3: this was a hidden agenda. The Territory Coordinator paper at

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Speaker 3: the time was only given to a select was put

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Speaker 3: to the Chief Minister in the last October sittings as

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Speaker 3: a question because if it was the consultation paper, it

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Speaker 3: would have been up online, the public would have been

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Speaker 3: able to view it, they would have been able to

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Speaker 3: put submissions into the Coordinator paper itself. But what we

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Speaker 3: saw instead was that the Chief Minister try and hide this.

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Speaker 3: She was going to bring on this bill without any

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Speaker 3: consultation from the community. And the potential risk that this

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Speaker 3: bill has it gives a public servants powers to be

468
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Speaker 3: able to bend or side set certain laws that you

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Speaker 3: know safeguards that have safeguards in place. I'm sure that

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Speaker 3: you know that the projects are safe in the community,

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Speaker 3: that our environment is protected. You know, I understand our

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Speaker 3: fans came out and has concerns Amateur Fishing Association around

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Speaker 3: this piece of legislation that's being proposed, so it wasn't

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Speaker 3: done in due process by the Chief Minister. She then

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Speaker 3: came back and question time, which I found quite odd

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Speaker 3: in an adjournment like so usually in a German you

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Speaker 3: thank you community, you think your constituents, you get ten

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Speaker 3: minutes to speak. She came out and had to explain

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Speaker 3: the position of the paper because ultimately she got caught

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Speaker 3: out trying to hide this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you accept though, Deranda, something has to change, right,

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Speaker 1: Like the Labor Party couldn't get a project off the

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Speaker 1: ground for the last teen years.

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Speaker 3: No one's disputing that projects shouldn't be able to get

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Speaker 3: off the ground. But what we are disputing is the

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Speaker 3: way and what the way this bill is being introduced

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Speaker 3: and the way that what the potential powers that are

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Speaker 3: given to an unelected member, a person within a public servant.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately that gives those overoarching powers by side stepping certain

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Speaker 3: laws which will have an impact on the community overall.

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Speaker 5: Justin Yeah, look, I agree, and I think it's profoundly

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Speaker 5: concerning that we're looking at a bill that gives power,

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Speaker 5: like overrides our existing kind of democracy and gives power

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Speaker 5: to individuals. And just in terms of the you know,

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Speaker 5: just what Durah was saying about how things were brought

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Speaker 5: to Parliament. It's really great that this is going to

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Speaker 5: go to a scrutiny committee, which is you know, the

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Speaker 5: cop has reintroduced, which is wonderful. I'm concerned about the

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Speaker 5: time for that because it's going to be given to

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Speaker 5: the Scrutiny Committee from what I understand, in February, and

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Speaker 5: then be brought to Parliament in March. So if there

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Speaker 5: are recommendations things to concern things have concerned that that

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Speaker 5: committee raises, I'm not sure. I don't see how there's

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Speaker 5: going to be time for it. I just want to

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Speaker 5: say one other thing in terms of like, we know

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Speaker 5: that less than one percent of the NT people in

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Speaker 5: the ANTI are employed in the gas industry. It's actually

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Speaker 5: tiny and at the moment we don't get any revenue

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Speaker 5: from gas, so i'd be really interested in terms of

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Speaker 5: tax revenue, we don't. You know, it's a question you

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Speaker 5: can take on notice. In terms of tax revenue what

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Speaker 5: we'll actually be getting in the territory from these projects.

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Speaker 2: I think the difference between the onshore and the offshore though,

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Speaker 2: is the onshore gas revenues come to the territory, that's

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Speaker 2: what the royalties are paid, as offshore goes to the FEDS.

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Speaker 4: And that was a bit.

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Speaker 1: So it was a deal that was done obviously under

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Speaker 1: the former Labor government with Paul Henderson, I believe will

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Speaker 1: clear Martin as the Chief Minister of the day.

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm really sorry.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to take a really quick break because

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Speaker 1: there is a lot to cover off this morning and

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Speaker 1: I've got to pay the bills, so we've got to

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Speaker 1: go to an ad break. You are listening to Mix

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Speaker 1: one O four nine's three sixty. It is the week

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Speaker 1: that was well, you are listening to the week that wasn't.

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Speaker 1: In the studio with us this morning, we've got Marie

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Speaker 1: Claire Boothby, We've got Harry Brill from the NT News,

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Speaker 1: We've got Justine Davis our Independent, and we've also got.

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Speaker 4: Duran Young on the line.

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Speaker 1: Now, in some very sad news from overnight, we now

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Speaker 1: know the Northern Territory Police have confirmed that a sixty

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Speaker 1: one year old woman passed away today in hospital. That

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Speaker 1: was actually late yesterday, So investigations into the incident are ongoing.

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Speaker 1: But what I can tell you is it relates to

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Speaker 1: a domestic violence related assault which occurred in Catherine on

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Speaker 1: the twelfth of October. Police arrived at a residential address

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Speaker 1: in Catherine East following a concern from welfare. On arrival,

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Speaker 1: a sixty one year old female was located with serious

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Speaker 1: injuries following that assault. She was transported to Saint John,

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Speaker 1: oh Sorry by Saint John Ambulance to Catherine Hospital in

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Speaker 1: a critical condition. Now it is believed that that woman

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Speaker 1: was assaulted sometime between the evening of Friday, the eleventh

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Speaker 1: of October by her male partner, who also assaulted a

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Speaker 1: sixty eight year old male who attempted to intervene in

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Speaker 1: that assault. The sixty eight year old alleged defender has

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Speaker 1: been arrested and as I understand it, has been remanded

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Speaker 1: and was due to appear in court on the sixteenth

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Speaker 1: of October. Now I'm not one hundred percent sure where

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Speaker 1: that court case is at, but what I can say

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Speaker 1: it is another appalling situation where.

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Speaker 4: A woman's life.

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Speaker 1: Has been lost at the hands of a domestic violence

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Speaker 1: incident or perpetrator.

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Speaker 4: It is utterly appalling.

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Speaker 1: It's something we've spoken about way too many times on

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Speaker 1: this show, way too many times. In the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: that needs based funding. Is also something that we've spoken

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Speaker 1: about so many times. Before I get to that, though,

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Speaker 1: Marie Claire justine that there's actually a vigil that's been

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Speaker 1: organized and that was before we knew about this tragic incident.

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Speaker 5: That's right. So tonight there's going to be a vigil

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Speaker 5: at Mindle Beach on the grassed area near the market

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Speaker 5: area from six thirty pm in standing in visual for

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Speaker 5: the eighty one women and fifteen children who have been

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Speaker 5: killed by domestic, family and sexual violence in Australia. Here

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Speaker 5: in the NT, we know that since the middle of

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Speaker 5: the year there's at least seven or eight women who

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Speaker 5: who have died due to alleged domestic violence incidents. I agree, Katie,

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Speaker 5: we've talked about it far too many times, but we

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Speaker 5: have to keep talking about it. We know this actually

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Speaker 5: is our crime and safety calmed and killed of anywhere

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Speaker 5: in Australia and we have to keep it at the

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Speaker 5: center of what we do and do whatever we can

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Speaker 5: to address it. But I'd encourage people, if they're interested

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Speaker 5: in coming and standing with other people to pay tribute

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Speaker 5: to their women whose lives have been lost off and

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Speaker 5: we don't even know their names, to get down to

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Speaker 5: Mindle Beach at six point eighty today.

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Speaker 1: My very clear this needs based funding. We have again

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Speaker 1: spoken about it till we're blue in the face. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like the federal government's coming on board

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Speaker 1: with this needs based funding. So if they're not going

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Speaker 1: to come on board, house a Northern Territory government going

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Speaker 1: to deal with this crisis.

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Speaker 2: And it is a crisis, kdie and it's been a

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Speaker 2: long time crisis, sadly, and you know, to hear of

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Speaker 2: another life being lost is absolutely tragic and sadly preventable.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we shouldn't have to be in this position

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Speaker 2: that we are in, but we are. And it is

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Speaker 2: you know, convincing the federal government to give us needs

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Speaker 2: based funding. It's an upper hill battle, to be frank,

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Speaker 2: they just don't seem to be able to grasp the

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Speaker 2: concept that we absolutely are desperate for this so that

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Speaker 2: we can try and work through this crisis. So with

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Speaker 2: that in mind, I mean I know that the Minister

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Speaker 2: Robin Carl has this under one of her portfolios and

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Speaker 2: she's taking it very seriously. Before the election, we committed

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Speaker 2: to the one hundred and eighty million dollars to ensure

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Speaker 2: that we could try and prevent this from happening, and

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Speaker 2: I know she's doing all the work in that space

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Speaker 2: to see how that money can go out the door

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Speaker 2: to ensure that we can make sure that there's no

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Speaker 2: more victims and also deal with the perpetrators that are involved,

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Speaker 2: because you know, we need to keep people safe, and sadly,

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Speaker 2: these people that are in their own homes are the

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Speaker 2: least safe people that we have and that's just not

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Speaker 2: acceptable under anyone's standard. So I'm not denying there is

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Speaker 2: so much work to be done, and I think to

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Speaker 2: Justine's point, we have to keep talking about this like

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Speaker 2: it's not acceptable. I know that there is a lot

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Speaker 2: of talk about it, but that's where the action that

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Speaker 2: I know that the Minister for Domestic Violence under the

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Speaker 2: Children of Family's portfolio, myself as Attorney General, the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 2: all of us really we're all working together to try

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Speaker 2: and come up with solutions so that we can actually

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Speaker 2: address this once and for all.

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Speaker 6: I'd love to hear I please trace me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 6: But I would have thought that needs based funding would

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Speaker 6: be a bipartisan issue right across the floor here. But

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Speaker 6: if bushback, what is the issue here that is not

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Speaker 6: going to give us needs based funding?

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Speaker 4: Why would it be rejected?

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that when the Chief Minister went down

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Speaker 2: for her first National Cabinet, I mean she absolutely fought

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Speaker 2: for the territory in that space. And we're fighting with

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Speaker 2: all the other states because they too have needs based

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Speaker 2: funding that they are trying to push it.

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Speaker 5: I think, as you said, Harriet, is absolutely bipartisan. In

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Speaker 5: the last sitting of Parliament, we had a matter of

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Speaker 5: public importance where domestic family and sexual violence was talked

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Speaker 5: about and there was a very strong commitment across the

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Speaker 5: whole chamber that's where we would work together to address this,

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Speaker 5: including going together to the federal government. I think, and

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Speaker 5: I've said this before, in terms of the one hundred and

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Speaker 5: eighty million dollars, there's a really clear plan that has

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Speaker 5: been developed by the sector and by experts that's been

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Speaker 5: presented to to government about how to address both prevention

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Speaker 5: and addressing you know, working with perpetrators. I'm really keen

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Speaker 5: to hear whether that's the plan that that's going to

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Speaker 5: be followed by the cop I haven't been able to

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Speaker 5: get an answer to that yet, so.

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Speaker 1: Well we can answer in that space, Mary Claire, I mean,

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Speaker 1: is that something that the Minister's going to be careful.

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Speaker 2: It'll come from the minister. I don't want to speak

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Speaker 2: on her behalf because that is under her portfolio, but

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Speaker 2: what I can say though is that we are absolutely

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Speaker 2: committed to ensuring that that plan that has been presented

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Speaker 2: is exactly what is needed and we really want to

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Speaker 2: make sure that it's victim centric, but that we do

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Speaker 2: deal with the perpetrators because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: that is they are perpetrators. They do have to be

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Speaker 2: dealt with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, Doran, I know that even when

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Speaker 1: Labor was still in power here in the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 1: there was a push from Kate Orden when she was

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Speaker 1: the Minister responsible that she was certainly calling for that

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Speaker 1: needs based funding that had continued. I mean we're now

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Speaker 1: in a situation though where we actually have the Senator

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Speaker 1: Melanderri McCarthy in a ministerial.

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Speaker 4: Role as well.

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Speaker 1: What like what moves are being made I guess, you know,

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Speaker 1: from the Labor Party as well, to really try to

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Speaker 1: push them a little bit further to to try and

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Speaker 1: provide some additional funding.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's right, Katie. In regards to Kate Warden

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Speaker 3: pushing for needs based funding, I think you know we

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Speaker 3: can all agree that every member of Parliament agrees that

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Speaker 3: we need needs based funding. That is why as a

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Speaker 3: as a government before we created that portfolio for a

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Speaker 3: Family and Domestic Violence Minister so that we could put

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Speaker 3: the spotlight on what's happening here. But also I just

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Speaker 3: want to say, obviously my thoughts and my heart go

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Speaker 3: out to this family, the friends and those frontline workers

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Speaker 3: that would have to dealt with this as well, and

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Speaker 3: to all victims of domestic violence too. But yeah, going back,

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Speaker 3: you know we all agree, we spoke on it at

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Speaker 3: Parliament last sittings, that there is a need here and

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Speaker 3: we need that needs based funding as soon as possible.

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Speaker 4: Look, we are going to move along.

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Speaker 1: Another topic which really raised eyebrows, I think you'd have

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Speaker 1: to say earlier in the week was when the Australian

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Speaker 1: newspaper reported on Monday they had revealed that Naja parole officer.

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Speaker 1: A Nager parole officer had been arrested after she was

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Speaker 1: allegedly found in bed with Jefferson Woody, who'd allegedly removed

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Speaker 1: his electronic angle bracelet and gone on the run just

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Speaker 1: months after.

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Speaker 4: Getting out of jail.

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Speaker 1: Now she's since been charged for her involvement in perverting

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Speaker 1: the course of justice and he's going to face the

691
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Speaker 1: Alla Springs Local Court on January fifteen. She stood down

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Speaker 1: from the service on Sunday and then resigned on Monday.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Senator Jacinta Nampa Jimpa Price joined us on the show

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Speaker 1: earlier in the week. She said that the allegations against

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Speaker 1: this person raised further questions and demand an explanation from

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Speaker 1: the Federal Attorney General General as to how we've ended

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Speaker 1: up in this situation. She also said that organizational culture

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Speaker 1: begins at the top and ultimately it is our most

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Speaker 1: marginalized Indigenous Australians who've suffered because of poor leadership and

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Speaker 1: governance that has been allowed to fist at Naja Mari

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Speaker 1: Claire as the.

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Speaker 4: Attorney General of the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: I mean, does they need to be a full look

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Speaker 1: into or a further look into the way in which

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Speaker 1: things are operating at NAJA. I mean, it just seems

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Speaker 1: as though at the moment there is scandal after scandal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it was last year Katie, we

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Speaker 2: were talking about NAJA and the problems they were having then,

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Speaker 2: which of course created a whole heap of other problems

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Speaker 2: for the Northern Territory justice system, with Legal Aid having

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Speaker 2: to take on all of their clients when they couldn't

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Speaker 2: service them because of those governance issues. And I know

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Speaker 2: that since becoming the Attorney General, meeting with the chairman

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Speaker 2: and sorry, the director of NAJA, A meeting with the

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Speaker 2: department that who had been working with them previously, and

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Speaker 2: understanding what is going on with NAJA it, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a long way to go in terms of solving

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Speaker 2: those problems. The most recent case that has been reported,

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Speaker 2: I can't come here in the headlines again for the

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Speaker 2: wrong reason, absolutely, especially when we really are trying to

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Speaker 2: come up with solutions so that we can have people represented,

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Speaker 2: because we want to make sure that those victims get

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Speaker 2: the justice.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're also talking about somebody who is allegedly supposed

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Speaker 1: to be the person looking after this person who's out

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Speaker 1: of who's out of jail and you know, to me,

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Speaker 1: like it is inappropriate is probably not even a strong

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Speaker 1: enough word.

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Speaker 6: I mean public confidence would be getting eroded by now.

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Speaker 6: I would have thought with NASEA, do NAGE need to

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Speaker 6: be sent a strong message.

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Speaker 2: I know they've been having conversations with the Federal Attorney

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Speaker 2: General as well because it is federally funded NAJA, So

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Speaker 2: can you have.

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Speaker 1: To oversee though the way in which that funding sort

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Speaker 1: of flows through because I would assume that there is

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Speaker 1: actually input from the Northern Terier government.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Where we have our input is that you know,

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Speaker 2: they do service territorians, so we absolutely need NAJA to

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Speaker 2: be operating with good governance and providing a service that

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Speaker 2: is incredibly needed in the Northern Territory. So that's where

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Speaker 2: we do have regular conversations with NAJA. The funding does

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Speaker 2: go from from the Comonworth government and there's an administration

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Speaker 2: function in terms of just releasing those funds, but we

746
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Speaker 2: don't actually get a say as to whether it goes

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Speaker 2: you know, what goes when to Najar if you like. So,

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Speaker 2: but the conversations that we are having with NAJA are

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Speaker 2: the fact that we do want to make sure that

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Speaker 2: they are operating in a way that has good governance,

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Speaker 2: that does provide services for territorians, and that's going.

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Speaker 4: Do you think they're in a situation where they can.

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Speaker 2: Well, I haven't spoken to the director since that the

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Speaker 2: latest challenges that they're having, but in the previous conversation

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Speaker 2: they've certainly were putting a lot of things in place

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Speaker 2: to get back to a place where they could service

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Speaker 2: territorians and so it was looking very promising. I need

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Speaker 2: to catch up with them again to find out what

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Speaker 2: the go is now. I do know there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of heat on them right now, and at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, my goal is to have them servicing

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Speaker 2: territories with very good governance so this sort of thing

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Speaker 2: doesn't happen.

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Speaker 5: And I think what's really important?

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Speaker 4: Oh sorry, sorry, John, you got well.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Justine. Yeah, looks I think just taking a couple

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Speaker 3: of steps back that the Attorney General, Mark Drapers, he

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Speaker 3: has you know that there is a new CEO in

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Speaker 3: there and he expects that that governance issue will be

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Speaker 3: resolved around the CEO as well. But you know, I

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Speaker 3: just want to acknowledge the work that criminal lawyers do

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Speaker 3: there in narger. It is it is a difficult job,

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Speaker 3: but from my understanding that all the operational side of

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Speaker 3: NARGER is in a lot better space. Now you know

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Speaker 3: that people have the right, people are being represented in court.

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Speaker 3: So I think, you know, it's disappointing about this one incident,

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Speaker 3: but I don't think it should take away the work

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Speaker 3: that our lawyers in Niger are doing and ensuring that

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Speaker 3: important work continuities and people do have the right to

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Speaker 3: be represented here. We shouldn't be taking that away from

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Speaker 3: people because of one person's incident.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I was, I was going to say exactly

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Speaker 5: what Duran said that the reality is that NAGA is

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Speaker 5: currently providing all the services they're funded to provide.

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Speaker 4: As you would know.

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Speaker 5: As anyone who have got anything to do with the justicism.

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Speaker 5: It's essential, as you just said, Murray Claire. And on

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Speaker 5: the ground, they are doing the work, the criminal lawyers,

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Speaker 5: the civil lawyers, they're out there every day doing what

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Speaker 5: they need to do to be you know, looking after

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Speaker 5: people's rights and working in our justice system protecting all

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Speaker 5: of us. And that I think it's really important we

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Speaker 5: don't lose focus on that while we get distracted in

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Speaker 5: these conversations. The other thing I want to say is

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Speaker 5: that there's a lot of and we've talked about on

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Speaker 5: this show before, a lot of blaming of NAGA for

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Speaker 5: the legal aid funding crisis. We know that legal aid

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Speaker 5: has been in a funding crisis for decades actually, or

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Speaker 5: at least a decade. Like it's not a news story,

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Speaker 5: so it's not that's not you know, that may have

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Speaker 5: been a contributor, but that's not the reason why leg

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Speaker 5: Labe was in trouble. As Mary Clare said, we totally

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Speaker 5: need both these services. They're essential for our justice system

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Speaker 5: functioning here.

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Speaker 2: Especially for our victims because you know, when you'd have

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Speaker 2: defendants who are not represented in court, it means that

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Speaker 2: the court process takes a lot longer. So it's not

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Speaker 2: about whether they're guilty or not, it's actually about the

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Speaker 2: time it's taken. And so those victims never get or

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Speaker 2: it takes a very long time for them to get

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Speaker 2: that justice. And that's why it's so important.

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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a very

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Speaker 1: quick break. You are listening to Mixwonow four point nine

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Speaker 1: three sixty.

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Speaker 4: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: We are just about ready to wrap up now. Before

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Speaker 1: we do wrap up, though, of course, one of the

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Speaker 1: things that We have discussed absolutely all week, and we

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Speaker 1: don't have a huge amount of time to continue to

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Speaker 1: discuss it, but we've sort of touched on it even

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Speaker 1: last week as well.

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Speaker 4: Is the situation that we're in with our jails now.

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Speaker 4: We know that earlier in the.

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Speaker 1: Week or last week, it was revealed that around two

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars worth of damage cause to our new

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Speaker 1: youth detention center. I mean, appalling behavior to see that

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Speaker 1: level of damage. A lot of people questioning though, as well,

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Speaker 1: what kind of design is it for that to be

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Speaker 1: done in such a short period of time. I know

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Speaker 1: that that's a lot of listeners scratching their heads, Katie.

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Speaker 2: It was a long period of time that the design

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Speaker 2: and the build happened. I mean it's years and years

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Speaker 2: and it's only just opened, and so yeah, it is

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Speaker 2: questionable about that because it seems like the design has

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Speaker 2: been based more around like a resort hotel instead of

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Speaker 2: a youth detention center. So there's a lot of work

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Speaker 2: that needs to happen there to make sure that those

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Speaker 2: facilities are fit for purpose. And I just want to

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Speaker 2: clarify I'm not sure if your listeners, I know that

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Speaker 2: they were worried about the fact that labor were saying

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Speaker 2: that the staff weren't fully resourced at the time of

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Speaker 2: the center opening, and that's actually not true. They were

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Speaker 2: absolutely fully staffed. They did everything they needed to do,

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Speaker 2: and they do were very professional. I thank them for

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Speaker 2: that hard work, and unfortunately, you know, these people did

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Speaker 2: the wrong thing. They are the ones that broke the law,

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Speaker 2: broke the Justice center, and now they have to face

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Speaker 2: those consequences.

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Speaker 5: But I think the key question is was the facility ready?

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Speaker 5: Was the move into it rushed? The responsibility of the

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Speaker 5: government is to make sure that everyone is safe when

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Speaker 5: they're in their care, staff and children and young people,

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Speaker 5: and they clearly were not. So we need to know

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Speaker 5: more about that. We need to know why that's happened.

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Speaker 5: We need to make sure that's never happened again. And

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Speaker 5: on looking at what their experience and history was, ninety

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Speaker 5: five percent of them were exposed to domestic violence, had

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Speaker 5: domestic violence, what's linked to what we were talking about before.

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Speaker 5: More than almost eighty percent of them have mental health

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Speaker 5: issues like these are not These are young people who

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Speaker 5: need properly designed therapeutic care. It's really objectionable to me

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Speaker 5: when I hear people talking about essentially a prison as

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Speaker 5: a resort. It's not a resort. It's a place where people.

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Speaker 5: I know people have concerns about what we're doing in

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Speaker 5: terms of, you know, antibility for young people. Talking about

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Speaker 5: talking about a youth detention center as a resort, I

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Speaker 5: think is really objectionable language.

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Speaker 1: I will say that when we spoke to the Corrections

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Speaker 1: Commissioner though earlier in the week, he said that every

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Speaker 1: one of those rooms that they've all got televisions, they

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Speaker 1: are not monitored twenty four hours a day. If one

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Speaker 1: of the young people starts to get aggressive or sound off,

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Speaker 1: they step back. They have to wait until they've calmed

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Speaker 1: down before they're able to approach them. To me, I

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Speaker 1: think that there would actually be a lot of people

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Speaker 1: sort of stepping aside and going hang on a sec.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought that a child, when they are

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Speaker 1: actually in a youth detention center is has got a

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Speaker 1: television in their own room, and that they are in

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Speaker 1: a situation where they've got what some.

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Speaker 4: Would consider a real luxury.

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Speaker 1: My kids don't have a TV in their room, and

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Speaker 1: nor would I want them to have one in their

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Speaker 1: room because I feel as though they you know, need

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Speaker 1: to be out active, they need to be doing other.

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Speaker 5: Things exactly people, and that's what we need. We need

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Speaker 5: to have therapeutic models of care in our detention system.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I understand why that's something that people

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Speaker 5: react to, but I feel like that's a distraction from

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Speaker 5: the key issue, which is what are we doing with

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Speaker 5: young people who are locked up part of our criminal

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Speaker 5: justice system. We haven't. We haven't done what we need

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Speaker 5: to do for a very long time, and I can't

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Speaker 5: see how that's improving now.

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Speaker 1: We've actually run out of time. Unfortunately, we're over time.

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Speaker 1: If that is possible, I know we would all like

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Speaker 1: to continue that discussion. Dran, thank you so very much

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Speaker 1: for joining us from the side of the road today

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Speaker 1: over the phone from the daily community.

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Speaker 4: Thanks mate for your time. It is much appreciated.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Katie, and thank you Tony Listener.

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Speaker 1: Thanks mate, and of course a big thank you to

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Speaker 1: Murray clear boothby our Attorney General for joining us in

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Speaker 1: the studio today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Katie, and it just a quick shout out.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow is Macappy Day, which means you go to McDonald's

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Speaker 2: and buy a big Mac. It'll go towards Ronald of

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Speaker 2: mc donald House, which is of course some raises money

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Speaker 2: for lots of families, including territory families.

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Speaker 1: We will catch up with somebody about that just after

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Speaker 1: Tin as well. Harry Brill from the NT and US,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your debut here on the

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Speaker 1: week that was.

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Speaker 4: We'll have you back.

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Speaker 1: Mate, Thank you, thank you, Toty and of course Justine Davis,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, the member for Johnson Independent.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for your time. Thanks Katie.

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Speaker 5: Have a great day everyone, and.

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Speaker 1: I did hear you ran four k's this morning as

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Speaker 1: well for those listening at home.

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Speaker 4: An update on Justine Ronning following along at home.

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Speaker 5: Then I spilled my coffee all over the desk just

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Speaker 5: so everyone knows.

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Speaker 1: So thank you all so much for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine.

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Speaker 4: It is the Week that was