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Speaker 1: Now, Chief Minister, it is a tragic situation. Those details

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. We know that the long awaited coroner's findings

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Speaker 1: Do you see how some people listen to very frustrated Yeah,

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Speaker 1: All right, Chief Minister. Before I let you go. We

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Speaker 2: Yes, So while I was in Queensland, I caught up

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Speaker 2: I hope so.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But I extend the offer to everyone, Katie. It's it's

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Speaker 2: a brilliant day well.

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Speaker 1: up with you. Thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, take care everyone,