WEBVTT - Leigh Whannell and Wolf Man 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.080 Get a pete. Hell are you here? Welcome to you 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:03.080 Ain't seen nothing yet? 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.360 The movie podcast where our chat to a movie lover, 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:08.280 have it a classic or be loved movie they haven't 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:13.119 quite got around to watching until now? And today's guest writer, 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:23.239 director actor Lee Wnell all below, I want to stay 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:23.880 here with you. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:42.960 Gay to the jobble my hat. Snake sucked my hail. 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:45.040 They couldn't have. 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.960 An any right sl You ain't seen nothing? 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:58.200 Ye? Well, this is very exciting, and I know I 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.360 often say that about this podcast, but this is a 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.480 different kind of episode. 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:04.240 This is actually the first. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:08.280 Time we've had somebody who is I guess on a junket, 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:09.959 you know, selling their movie. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:11.880 I have been offered them before, but I've been a. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.600 Bit careful about how we do them because I want 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.800 this to remain you know, a podcast is not necessarily for. 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:21.720 Sale, you know in that regard. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.600 But the opportunity to chat with Lee Wennell was toogle 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.160 the refuse and then when I saw the movie he 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.880 is promoting a Wolfman, I was extremely keen to have 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:32.560 him on. 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.000 Lee is an amazing Australian success story. 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:40.520 Lee started was raised and was born in Melbourne and 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.119 first came to our screens as a. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.760 Young kitchen he must have been seventeen eighteen. 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.000 You know, I Reckon on Recovery when back when it 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.520 was hosted by Dylan Lewis, and he would do, you know, 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:56.320 movie reviews and tep the movie stars and you're going. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:02:01.400 To see His love of movies was real. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.880 And infectious, and since then he has gone on to 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:09.280 have one of the most celebrated careers of any Australian 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.680 in Hollywood with his partner in crime, James Juan. We 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:17.280 should be celebrating these guys. So for those who don't 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.200 know he went on, we've been calling. Card into Hollywood 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.519 was the Saw Movies movie, which became one of the 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.080 biggest horror franchises in the world. I think there's ten 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.960 Saw films. He was also behind Insidious. It made him 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.200 a good upgrade, which is I think underrated and really good. 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.800 And then a couple of years ago he was charged 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:43.680 with bringing The Invisible Man, so Universal's Monsters Ensemble, which 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.480 if you don't know, we're talking the Invisible Man, we're 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:52.800 talking the Mummy, we're talking Dracula, but also things like 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:57.079 The Phantom of the Opera, you know, Doctor Jekyler mister 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.760 Hyde like the Avengers of. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.280 The twentieth century, I think so. 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.400 He was charged of bringing The Invisible Man to screen 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.600 and last scene on screen I think, well, first scene 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:16.240 on screen in nineteen something, and Lee not only made that, 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.200 you know, a good fist of it, he knocked it 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.560 out of the park. If you haven't seen The Invisible Man, 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.160 starring Elizabeth Moss, check it out. 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.600 It is if you pertain not to be a big 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:27.360 horror person. 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:29.960 The Invisible Man is an incredible piece of work because 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.240 not only does a deal you know, with the thrills 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.600 that come with horror, but there's a real story behind it. 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.680 As far as some of it feels real based on 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:46.480 gas lighting of a woman and violence towards women. It's 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.000 an incredible piece of work. So I was very excited 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.280 when I heard that Lee was backing that with. 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.520 Footh Man, and I think he's done an equally. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:58.160 An amazing job finding something that makes this not just 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.320 a monster movie. There is some being more going on 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.680 with Woofman. Obviously with woof Man, I don't want to 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.760 give too much away because it's it's in cinemas. 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:11.360 Now, so check it out. I think you're gonna love it. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.960 So this episode, obviously because he's doing a junket, we're 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.159 not doing the you know, he hasn't seen this movie. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.240 We're going to talk about his at least three favorite films, 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.560 and we're going to talk about three films of his 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.720 that peak my interest, which is Saw the Invisible Man 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:28.720 and wolf Man. 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.480 And also because we've already recorded the chat, there's so 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:32.680 many other things we talked about. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:36.520 This is just a great fun discussion from two blokes 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.760 who love movies. I hope you enjoy it. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.640 My bloody stoke to have Leewenell with us today. 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.800 Hi, I'm Lee Wenell, and my three favorite films are 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:58.280 Jaws seven, What's in the Bark and Mad Max two. 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.919 I'm just here for the gasoline. I'm the writer and 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:07.000 director of the film Wolfman, which is coming out on 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:13.400 January sixteenth in Australia. Daddy, what's wrong with Daddy? She 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:25.560 got sick? What is happening to me? Can you understand me? 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:29.719 Yeah? 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:42.240 You're you're hearing You're scaring me? Daddy? 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:42.520 Is me? 0:05:45.279 --> 0:06:10.760 Hurry? Mommy is coming? Oh? It gives your chills. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:15.120 Blake played by Christopher Abbott, has a complicated relationship with 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.520 his estranged, survivalist father and a marriage on the rocks 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.800 as he looks after his daughter, Ginger Matilda Firth, while 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.720 his ambitious, career focused wife Charlotte, the always excellent Julia Ghana, 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.640 struggles to separate her love of work with her love 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.800 of family, if that love still exists. When Blake inherits 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.960 the family farmhouse in rural Oregon after his father is 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.400 presumed dead, he persuades Charlotte to join he and Ginger, 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.760 hoping that some country air will be good for their marriage. 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.200 Is it good for their marriage? Well, it certainly gets 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:52.080 complicated after initially fighting off a fierce, bloodthirsty beast and 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:56.640 finding a momentary safety in their farmhouse. Of course, that 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.120 safety will not last long, as the creature stalks the 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.680 outside of the house. But something is happening within the 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.840 four walls of the old family home. Blake begins transforming 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:12.120 into something unrecognizable. Danger inside, danger outside. Charlotte must step 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.840 up to the plate and protect her daughter against unspeakable horror, 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:20.800 both physically and emotionally. From the Classic Universe. Monsters Universe 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.800 writer director Lee Wenell, fresh of his remarkable Invisible Man 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:28.440 remake with Elizabeth Moss again takes a character first scene 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.679 on screen last century in nineteen forty one, and places 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:35.640 them in a modern day, giving them an utterly modern feel. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.440 After Universal had a couple of false starts trying to 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.840 reignite their Monsters ensemble, it seems the key to that 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:46.720 Haunted Kingdom may rest with today's guests Lee Wearnell, Lee Wenell. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.520 Are we sure Blake doesn't just have long COVID? I 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.239 mean did he do with COVID test? 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:56.240 Probably should take one little nasal swab there. Actually, the 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.480 first draft of this film was written during COVID. 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.040 It did under that. Yeah, yes, it. 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.480 Was very much. It was that that time, remember that 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.760 sort of period in mid twenty twenty where it seemed 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.200 like the world was upside down. It was like we 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.840 were all living in a science fiction movie and you know, 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.040 we were staying in our houses all day long. I mean, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.400 I know it was very strict here in Melbourne, Like 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:23.200 it was so discombobulating that whole time. And you know, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:27.400 my wife and I had three young kids, and it 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.960 just wears you down when you can't like you know, 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.840 you're trying to make a couch for it interesting. For 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.400 the seven hundredth time in a row, and I always 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.640 felt like people were doing COVID parenting better than me. 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.560 Like you'd go on Instagram and be like everyone would 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.800 always be like, we're learning to make honey, and I'd 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.320 be like, what I'd be wearing the same you know, 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.439 trackie dicks I've been wearing for six months covered in food. 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.440 My kids are screaming at me, and I'm like, I come, 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.240 everyone else is doing this COVID parenting thing so much 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.880 better than I am. What am I doing wrong? So? Yeah, 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.560 my wife and I definitely poured all our anxiety and 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.840 all the frustration of that time into the script because you. 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:05.520 Co write with your wife. 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:09.439 Yes, was that a result of being lockdown in COVID 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.120 going it's better than sour dough exactly? 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.320 Yeah, everyone else is learning to make crab bisk or 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.800 sour dough bread, and we're like, let's write a movie about, 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.960 you know, someone with a degenerative illness. Yeah, I think so. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.320 I don't know if we would have written it together 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.080 without COVID, I'm not sure, but certainly it made sense. 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:28.959 We were in the house all day long. She'd be 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.199 upstairs in our bedroom and I'd be downstairs in my 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.480 office and we'd be texting back and forth. Are you 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.240 doing this scene? Yeah, I'm doing that scene okay. And 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.360 it was a good project during that time to kind 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:44.640 of help keep a sane I mean we all had 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:46.440 I mean, what were you doing that A lot of 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.880 people like you said sour dough bread or I got 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:53.760 into like cocktail making. I was ordering like expensive brands 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.800 and booze online and being like, okay, I'm going to 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.880 learn to make a real you know, a proper old 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:02.000 fashion or a paper play and vinyl. Like we were 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:03.840 all doing things just stay sane. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.520 We said that we did pub crawls within our house, 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.640 so we would set up different parts of our house 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.480 and name them different pubs. One would be in Irish 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.360 probably be like just that chimney of our fireplace, and 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.360 one in the shower, like and we just like took 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.040 photos of us having cocktails in the. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.719 Fully would they be names of pubs that existed. 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:27.200 No, like like the Irish pub I think was was 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.600 the Killian Murphy, And so it was just it was 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:31.680 and that kind of went. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.839 It kind of went, you know, some small version of 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.080 Iral and. 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.160 You were sort of you would sort of we're doing 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.240 at the end of the video and put it on. 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.959 More just photos, and then we thought, oh, we posted 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.480 one and it got like yeah, people fun And at 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.880 that time, being a comic, you kind of think, well, 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:50.360 the one thing I can do. 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:51.880 I can't help fight this virus. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.320 One thing I can do is but by content, and 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.800 this is this podcast was born actually out of covid, 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:01.000 and so I started doing you know, taking more photos 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:02.640 and it kind of inspired us to do more of it, 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.200 and then we started we ran out of rooms and 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.559 just like ideas for pubs, and we started doing like, 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.280 oh now we's done the travel, and we had like 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.600 you know, like like little videos of like a little 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.760 wind up New York's, you know, cable We're in New 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:19.320 York now and like making little videos and somebody about 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:23.000 three people got really upset that we were celebrities and 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.040 privilege and we're why are you allowed to travel? Why 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.360 are you allowed to go overseas and into state? And 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.360 it's like quite There's one that was quite clearly a 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.200 pineapple in our driveway that taken like a close up 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.480 of the pineapple and we're we're at a big pineapple 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.280 in Queensland. And there was another we're at Australia Zoo 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.839 with Steve and not not with Steve obviously, but we're 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.920 at Australia Zoo and there was us with a pool 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.800 in the background holding an inflatable crocodile with handles in 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.800 the middle of the head and people were getting upset. 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.440 So it was a crazy Internet though, like people they're 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:57.080 so ready to be angry. Yes, but you know, give 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.480 them that inch, they'll take the mile, you know what 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.760 I mean. So I'm not I'm surprised it was only three. 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.640 But that's a clever idea the pub crawl. So you 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.320 would actually say, like, would you actually apart from the 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.800 photos and the social media, would you actually go from 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.719 the kitchen to the laundry and be like sit down 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:13.880 and have a drink and be like we're in a 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:14.600 different place now. 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.920 We would certainly it was always just a one pub 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.000 on each each night, but it was certainly we would 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.600 certainly have drinks there, Like it wasn't just taking the photos. 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.400 We would like this, that would be a night out. 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:24.840 It was funny because there was a couple of things 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.360 from that time that I knew I would miss. I 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.560 was like I said to my wife at one point, 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.720 I bet in a year or two, when this is 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.160 all over, we're going to look back and go I 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.160 really miss that. So we would do this like date 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.120 night on the balcony thing where we would have like 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.720 ordering food and have like a restaurant date on our balcony. 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.080 And we don't do that anymore. Now, we don't do 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.439 that anymore, and I miss that. And then we would 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.640 camp in the backyard with kids. We'd pitch a tent 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.920 and like camp out there overnight and and stuff, and like, 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.240 you know, we do a lot of sleepovers with the kids. 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.520 But all this stuff that you were forced to do, 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.160 and I got it. I would make these drinks, and 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.800 then I got into vinyl records. So my version of 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.360 a COVID night out was I would put a record on, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.600 and you know, whether it's whatever, Roxy music or something, 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.480 I'd put it on and then like make a drink 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.360 and sit there in my dark living room on my 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.840 own and I'd be like I'm in a Japanese whiskey 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.840 bars listening to a to a mint condition copy of Avalon, 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:27.079 you know, and I missed that. There was something about that, 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.400 even though we were all frustrated and housebound. I do 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.720 miss some aspect of it, so well. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.679 The zero expectation from the outside world was what I 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:36.560 loved about it. 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.200 A sudden the complete eradication of fomo. 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.679 Yeah, yes, was great. Yeah, I love that. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.160 Yeah, that was so yeah. So those are the things 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.240 we remember. But the frustrations and the anxiety of COVID 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.840 and the whole like getting tested and the fear that 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:52.160 you were going to get it and what's going to 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:53.880 happen if I get it? I read in an article 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.840 that you that it causes neurological damage. All that uncertainty 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.319 and fear went into Wolfman, and then you had the 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.800 Japanese whiskey tasting in the living room on your own. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:08.640 That was the upside of it, you know, just coping mechanisms. 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.600 Really, so when. 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.760 Did such an incredible job with Invisible Man, and you're 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.080 follow that so beautifully with wolf Man, so that from 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.160 the outside it looks like this was part of a 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:23.440 plan that you are the Kevin fig now of universal Monsters, 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.920 you know, but was always part of the plan that 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.400 you would go on and write Wolfman after the Invisible Man. 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.960 No, it's funny because it's funny to hear you say, like, oh, 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:33.720 from the outside, it looks like a real plan. It's 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.880 interesting that because I have the same feeling about other filmmakers. Yeah, 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:38.960 you know, I look at their work and it seems 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.120 it seems very structured, very planned. I actually ran into 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.440 I went to a screening. This was just when things 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.160 were emerging from COVID. I went to a screening of 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:53.520 Dune at at the Imax headquarters in Los Angeles, and 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.480 Denisa Leneuve was there and they had this little sort 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.640 of half fast after party and I saw him and 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.000 I was like, oh, big fan of Denise. So I 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:02.840 walked up to him and you could tell he'd just 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:06.720 been doing ten thousand interviews, and I said, I really 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.480 love the film, and he looked exhausted and he was like, yes, yes, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:13.280 And I told him that it was his work inspired 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.240 Stephan Ducio, the cinematographer I worked with. He and I 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:23.400 are very inspired by Roger Deacon's work with Deniva Leneuve, Sakario, Prisoners, 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.600 these movies they have this really stark look. It's just 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.000 it's just very inspirational to us. And so I told 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.640 him that and he perked up because he was like, oh, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.280 he's like, I'm a fan of Invisible Man. And I 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.240 pose that question to him. I said, you know, your career, 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.480 it's so planned out, and you know from movie to movie, 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.040 and you do the you do a sort of mid 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.080 mid budget sci fi and then you go and he 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:46.000 said that there is there is no There is no 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.080 and I said, no, no plan and he was like, no, 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.640 it's this chaos. And I think, to the outside sometimes 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.920 it seems like there is that you're playing chess. Really 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:57.640 you're not seeing all the movies that are half written 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.960 in a draw, all the all the movies I was 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.520 excited about that didn't happen for various reasons. So it's 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.400 actually the opposite. It's totally random. The fact that I 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.960 did Wolfman, I never intended to do that, And between 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:14.200 Invisible Man and Wolfman, there's probably three projects that didn't. 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.080 Maybe one day they will come to fruition. Movies don't die, 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.320 as you know, they come back around. They're on life support. 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.000 But it's so funny that it looks planned out. From 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.960 my perspective, it's just chaos. It's like the things that 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.720 you see are the things that limped over the finish line. 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.600 Behind them. There's a trail of dead, you know, it's 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.040 like blowing up everest, as they say, as you're going, 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.239 as you're going up, every as you see the skeletons 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.480 of the people that didn't make it. I've got scripts 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:42.560 like that along the trail. 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.320 Can't I can't wait to chat more about wolf Man 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.400 and The Visible Man. We're going to chat about Saw 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.000 as well, but I want to talk about your three 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.480 favorite films that you've mentioned. I can't wait for the 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.440 next a little bit because it's going to be a movie, 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.200 absolutely movie feast. But Mad Max two, let's start with that. 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:02.160 Start with the Aussie one nineteen eighty one. Did you 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.560 like You're you're younger than me, So when did you 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.720 see what was your first memory of Mad Max two? 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.160 Mad Max two was definitely VHS. It was that era. 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.800 It might have been even No, the first time I 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.639 saw it was taped off the television. Do you remember? 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.480 This is hilarious, people of our age, the censorship of 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:23.639 movies on television. 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.359 I was telling to my kids that that this this week, 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.320 about how our version of National Lampoon's Vacation had all 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.640 the swearing cut out and you had to like. 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:34.399 Pause the ads. 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:36.440 Yes, and my job was kind of the pause of 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.439 the ads, and sometimes I was pretty good at it, 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.400 but you'd always end up with for like half, I'm 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.520 like hola for a Marshall half a kmart Ad. 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.000 It's like, yeah, exactly. Oh got some of those commercials 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.200 from back then. The Australian commercial just burned into my mind, 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.479 like the kitchen wipe one. What was that product? Anyway? 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.679 It was? Was it Jiffy? I can't remember, yeah, but 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.560 it was, but yeah, totally, And like you would experience 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.200 movies that way. That's like, you know, I remember watching 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.560 Blue Velvet. You know, Dennis Hopper was like freak you 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.880 for like, you know, it was freak. Everything was free 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.600 and the creative. One of the things I love is 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.440 the creative replacement of language in movies and you still 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.359 have to do the TV at it. I think I 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.359 think my favorite one ever, can I swear on this, 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:26.680 My favorite TV censorship ever is The Big Lebowski where 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.560 John Goodman says, you see what happens, Larry, You see 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:31.480 what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass. 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.639 Remember the kid and he's like beating the car with 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.560 a baseball bat. The TV version, he goes, you see 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.600 what happens, Larry, You see what happens when you find 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:45.040 a stranger in the Alps. It's so amazing when you 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.760 find a stranger in the Alps. Only the Cowen brothers. 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.960 But yeah, the should have a spinoff based on that, 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:52.320 as apprentise well exactly. 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.040 I mean Mad Max two. Mad Max two is the 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.000 version I saw. I mean remember in the first scene 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.480 Vernon Wells, you know, pulling that arrow out of his leg? 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:02.479 Not there right? 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:06.000 Not on Channel nine and nineteen eighty seven, Like there was, 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:07.880 there were so many elements and they would do these 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.119 random weird things like I don't know if you remember 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:12.320 Lethal Weapon, how well you know that movie? 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:13.520 I watched it recently recently. 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.480 Yeah, that whole opening scene where the woman's like half 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.520 naked in her apartment doing coke off that I remember 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.400 the TV version, which was the first they to replace 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.320 the cocaine shot. They just cut to an outer as 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.760 focused shot of a table. It was like just a 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:30.199 random shot of a table because someone could find this 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.800 sort of you know Channel nine edit of Lethal Weapon. 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.000 It blow your mind the things that they did. They 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.320 were like, who cares they won't notice? I think it's 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.480 a good idea for a podcast. Actually, yeah, Channel nine 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.000 Movies with the ages Channel nine movies, but we've done 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:47.000 some fun replacements for language, like an Invisible Man Elizabeth Masset, 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:51.160 she goes, she's she's been committed to a psychiatric hospital 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.520 and she's the doctors are trying to strap her down 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:55.560 and she's looking past them at the empty corner and 0:19:55.600 --> 0:20:00.119 she's like, she's like, she's like, high see you what 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:03.119 the fuck? And so for the TV at it, I 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:05.119 was like, Elizabeth, because I'm there, and I was like, 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.119 we've got to have some fun with this, and I said, 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:11.800 for a motherfucker, can you say? So what we ended 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.199 up doing is she says, I see you you monkey 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:21.359 feeders and she was cracking up, laughing. It's great, it's awesome. 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.080 Did you do that on the day or is this 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:23.880 on the day. 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.000 We're in a dr and you get to the end 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:27.800 of the ADR and it's like, got to do the TV, 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:31.600 got to do the airline TV version, which actors usually hate. 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.760 But I was like, Elizabeth, let's just have fun. So yeah, 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.600 we did monkey Feeders. We did we did some We 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:36.960 did some. 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:40.399 Pretty fun ones, because when you're being dragged down a 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.639 psychiatric hospital yelling and screaming, you're not really minding your 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:44.240 p's and q's. 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:45.639 Are you know that's ridiculous. 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:49.200 But I took you off track from Admax too, But yeah, 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.320 you asked about the first time. It's that TV version 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:56.520 the ad breaks, like you said, And then I would 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.040 get around as I got older, I watched the VHS 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:02.560 version and then now I have like this pristine four 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.760 K disc and I watch it and I'm blown away 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.320 by that movie. The creativity on display, and it's in 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.560