1 00:00:04,031 --> 00:00:11,391 Speaker 1: Black Cast nine our Voices. Welcome to the Black Magic 2 00:00:11,471 --> 00:00:19,991 Speaker 1: Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bail. I'm here on Kubbycobby Country 3 00:00:20,191 --> 00:00:23,151 Speaker 1: and I've just run into one of my uncles and 4 00:00:23,231 --> 00:00:27,791 Speaker 1: I actually saw him on Garner Country about two years ago. 5 00:00:27,831 --> 00:00:29,591 Speaker 1: I think it was two years ago, could have been 6 00:00:29,631 --> 00:00:33,111 Speaker 1: a year ago. And we're at the airport and I'm 7 00:00:33,151 --> 00:00:35,711 Speaker 1: not telling you any more about this yarn, but Uncle John, 8 00:00:36,351 --> 00:00:38,311 Speaker 1: it was so good to see you as I walked 9 00:00:38,311 --> 00:00:42,191 Speaker 1: in to the Sunshine Coast Convention Center here at the 10 00:00:42,431 --> 00:00:46,791 Speaker 1: first Nation's Clean Energy Network summit with all these different 11 00:00:46,831 --> 00:00:49,151 Speaker 1: mob and You're the first one that I got to see. 12 00:00:49,311 --> 00:00:51,391 Speaker 1: So I just want to say thank you for taking 13 00:00:51,431 --> 00:00:54,031 Speaker 1: time out to jump on this pod and have a 14 00:00:54,111 --> 00:00:56,911 Speaker 1: yarn with me for my listeners, but also viewers now 15 00:00:56,951 --> 00:00:59,911 Speaker 1: on YouTube. Thank you for joining us as well. Got 16 00:00:59,911 --> 00:01:02,711 Speaker 1: a few more subscribers, which is deadly. Tell us a 17 00:01:02,751 --> 00:01:05,471 Speaker 1: little bit about just what We'll start with your name 18 00:01:05,551 --> 00:01:07,631 Speaker 1: and who's your mob, and maybe a little bit about 19 00:01:07,631 --> 00:01:08,311 Speaker 1: where you grew up. 20 00:01:09,991 --> 00:01:13,711 Speaker 2: What am Mollie Mantadara. As I said this morning, you 21 00:01:13,751 --> 00:01:16,991 Speaker 2: just turn up. There's this universal alignment that occurs in 22 00:01:17,791 --> 00:01:20,031 Speaker 2: each of our lives, and you my girl, you're turning 23 00:01:20,111 --> 00:01:24,791 Speaker 2: up this morning was a blessing and a reminder, a 24 00:01:24,831 --> 00:01:28,031 Speaker 2: reminder of this meeting that we're having here, this gathering 25 00:01:28,071 --> 00:01:31,471 Speaker 2: on Gubby Cubby Country. I thank them for their hosting 26 00:01:31,831 --> 00:01:36,871 Speaker 2: and creating this culturally safe environment for this powerful conversation 27 00:01:36,991 --> 00:01:42,311 Speaker 2: about First Nation's clean energy. Myself saltwater connections born on 28 00:01:42,351 --> 00:01:45,591 Speaker 2: Palm Island in the late fifties lined up for rations, 29 00:01:45,631 --> 00:01:48,271 Speaker 2: which I thought was wonderful of the missionaries, but I 30 00:01:48,271 --> 00:01:50,911 Speaker 2: found out it was all stolen wages. So that's these 31 00:01:50,951 --> 00:01:53,991 Speaker 2: life experiences that give you a glow and then they 32 00:01:54,111 --> 00:01:56,071 Speaker 2: take away that and put a little tinge to it. 33 00:01:57,551 --> 00:02:02,711 Speaker 2: Grandfather Country, Saltwater country there, Nuagi people ill Nowagi family 34 00:02:02,711 --> 00:02:04,911 Speaker 2: members out that way. Yeah, we've got a lot to 35 00:02:04,951 --> 00:02:08,111 Speaker 2: play and talk about in this space. Grandfather Country, then 36 00:02:08,191 --> 00:02:14,671 Speaker 2: Nawagi people around Ingham, Grandmother's Country, Mummel people up around Indusvale. 37 00:02:14,711 --> 00:02:17,711 Speaker 2: So that saltwater connection. But then I flow with my 38 00:02:17,871 --> 00:02:22,151 Speaker 2: movement in being shifted off the dormitory out to western Queensland. 39 00:02:22,631 --> 00:02:26,111 Speaker 2: Bidgital cattercattering, gathering bull people. So all your desert uplands 40 00:02:26,471 --> 00:02:30,431 Speaker 2: follows out that way. Black soil follows Yep, we've got 41 00:02:30,431 --> 00:02:32,191 Speaker 2: big business to do out there, and we're doing as 42 00:02:32,231 --> 00:02:34,551 Speaker 2: well too, but we've got to do a proper way integrity, 43 00:02:34,551 --> 00:02:37,471 Speaker 2: cultural integrity and doing business proper and in becoming those 44 00:02:37,551 --> 00:02:41,911 Speaker 2: honorable ancestors, which I've always been reminded of of the 45 00:02:41,951 --> 00:02:47,871 Speaker 2: Watson's coming into that Watson family through nine AUPAT nine FM, 46 00:02:47,951 --> 00:02:52,031 Speaker 2: Deadley Murray Radio and the history of that, Yeah, which 47 00:02:52,111 --> 00:02:57,831 Speaker 2: reminds me the impactful way that that brother Tiger and 48 00:02:57,871 --> 00:03:03,271 Speaker 2: others that That's sixty six referendum. I was started Grade 49 00:03:03,271 --> 00:03:06,871 Speaker 2: one in January of that year, nineteen sixty sixth Grade 50 00:03:06,911 --> 00:03:10,991 Speaker 2: one slate boards and the like here and all this 51 00:03:11,191 --> 00:03:13,631 Speaker 2: was happening around me and I was unaware of it, 52 00:03:13,831 --> 00:03:16,551 Speaker 2: this movement. I was told not to be a radical 53 00:03:16,591 --> 00:03:21,191 Speaker 2: black by my family out that way there, but guess 54 00:03:21,191 --> 00:03:23,631 Speaker 2: what I did? They told me not to become a skypilot. 55 00:03:23,911 --> 00:03:26,751 Speaker 2: But guess what I did? Yeah, in this space. So 56 00:03:26,831 --> 00:03:30,071 Speaker 2: this gravitation and drawing out all these different lived experiences 57 00:03:30,711 --> 00:03:34,071 Speaker 2: ending up now in Brisbane later part of my career 58 00:03:34,751 --> 00:03:38,511 Speaker 2: and having the honor to be able to sit in 59 00:03:38,511 --> 00:03:44,511 Speaker 2: in positions and lead independent bodies or regulatory bodies around 60 00:03:44,551 --> 00:03:48,071 Speaker 2: making this space a lot safer for all who choose 61 00:03:48,071 --> 00:03:50,111 Speaker 2: to live on Aboriginal country. 62 00:03:50,791 --> 00:03:55,551 Speaker 1: Uncle thank you for reminding us, especially of Grannie Mook 63 00:03:55,631 --> 00:04:00,551 Speaker 1: and Uncle Ross. You know they've passed now, but every 64 00:04:00,551 --> 00:04:06,391 Speaker 1: funeral we have in our family Mick, Dad, Uncle Johnny, 65 00:04:07,351 --> 00:04:10,711 Speaker 1: Uncle Philip, or my dad's brothers grandfathers to my children 66 00:04:11,351 --> 00:04:17,471 Speaker 1: on their coffins, we've got honorable ancestor. And Grannie Mook 67 00:04:17,471 --> 00:04:20,951 Speaker 1: always said this, you know what kind of honorable ancestor 68 00:04:21,551 --> 00:04:24,791 Speaker 1: are you going to be to the children of the future. 69 00:04:25,711 --> 00:04:29,711 Speaker 1: And they're so powerful words. And there's a star named 70 00:04:29,751 --> 00:04:34,791 Speaker 1: Honorable Ancestor because of Grannie Mook and the impact that 71 00:04:34,831 --> 00:04:37,071 Speaker 1: she's had on a lot of people, not just in 72 00:04:37,111 --> 00:04:40,711 Speaker 1: this country but obviously around the world. Very proud Gungaloo Beery, 73 00:04:40,711 --> 00:04:44,911 Speaker 1: Gubble woman, a Dawson River Murray. So got me thinking 74 00:04:44,991 --> 00:04:47,511 Speaker 1: there now about Grant and I can feel our energy 75 00:04:48,031 --> 00:04:52,431 Speaker 1: as we are in here. Coexistence is on your name 76 00:04:52,551 --> 00:04:55,751 Speaker 1: tag and I've never heard of this business before. So 77 00:04:55,791 --> 00:04:58,831 Speaker 1: tell me a little bit. How did you set up coexistence? 78 00:04:59,351 --> 00:05:01,431 Speaker 2: Well, I didn't set up co existence. It's part of 79 00:05:01,471 --> 00:05:04,551 Speaker 2: this inheritance we've got. So I started. I joined in 80 00:05:04,631 --> 00:05:10,351 Speaker 2: with the gas fields Commission a point in there. As 81 00:05:10,431 --> 00:05:12,671 Speaker 2: chair of the gas Fields Commission, it came off the 82 00:05:12,671 --> 00:05:15,991 Speaker 2: back of all the onshore gas development in industry from 83 00:05:16,071 --> 00:05:22,431 Speaker 2: twenty ten through to what we have now. I engaged 84 00:05:22,471 --> 00:05:27,671 Speaker 2: with thirty three different Native title cultural heritage agreements, twenty 85 00:05:27,711 --> 00:05:30,511 Speaker 2: seven tradition owned groups in the Strap Basin, Bowen Basin, 86 00:05:30,711 --> 00:05:34,391 Speaker 2: Your mob involved too in as part of an approvals process. 87 00:05:34,911 --> 00:05:39,391 Speaker 2: Those agreements were developed on relationships. But what left a 88 00:05:39,431 --> 00:05:42,031 Speaker 2: taste in my mouth was that when we came to implement, 89 00:05:42,791 --> 00:05:46,791 Speaker 2: is implemented on commercial terms and which brings us to 90 00:05:46,831 --> 00:05:50,271 Speaker 2: where we are now with first Nations clean energy. I 91 00:05:50,351 --> 00:05:55,471 Speaker 2: believe the first nation's clean energy. This movement that we're 92 00:05:55,511 --> 00:06:00,711 Speaker 2: developing how now is similar to the movement that brought 93 00:06:00,751 --> 00:06:04,031 Speaker 2: us a sixty seven referendum, but this is going to 94 00:06:04,071 --> 00:06:07,511 Speaker 2: be so much more impactful and we are better organized 95 00:06:07,791 --> 00:06:11,311 Speaker 2: to connect up, share our stories and move as one 96 00:06:12,351 --> 00:06:15,591 Speaker 2: and all rise with the tides. So co existence quenstand 97 00:06:16,151 --> 00:06:19,311 Speaker 2: came out of gas Fields because it was recognized on 98 00:06:19,351 --> 00:06:22,871 Speaker 2: the first of July last year. Gas Field's Commission has 99 00:06:22,871 --> 00:06:25,991 Speaker 2: done a great job, so we got also then we're 100 00:06:26,031 --> 00:06:30,231 Speaker 2: given the remit to look after critical Earth minerals, both 101 00:06:30,231 --> 00:06:36,711 Speaker 2: the solar and wind as well as the ongoing gas industry. 102 00:06:36,751 --> 00:06:40,551 Speaker 2: So that the relationship between landholders, traditional owners, so those 103 00:06:40,551 --> 00:06:44,031 Speaker 2: who are well connected to land in all of its 104 00:06:44,071 --> 00:06:46,991 Speaker 2: shapes and forms, and the developers that choose to come 105 00:06:47,071 --> 00:06:51,591 Speaker 2: in here. Now that with the passage of legislation too 106 00:06:51,631 --> 00:06:56,391 Speaker 2: recently in enacting on the first of July, that there 107 00:06:56,511 --> 00:07:00,631 Speaker 2: must be a community benefit shown to any developer that's 108 00:07:00,711 --> 00:07:06,471 Speaker 2: looking to work in communities of interests, association and orrige. 109 00:07:06,751 --> 00:07:08,431 Speaker 2: They've got to speak to family, they've got to speak 110 00:07:08,471 --> 00:07:10,631 Speaker 2: to mob, they've got to speak to landowners. They've got 111 00:07:10,631 --> 00:07:15,591 Speaker 2: to speak to the local authorities and respect the history 112 00:07:15,631 --> 00:07:17,991 Speaker 2: of people in place and the deep, deep stories that 113 00:07:18,111 --> 00:07:21,191 Speaker 2: sit in in country and landscape and relationships. 114 00:07:21,311 --> 00:07:26,351 Speaker 1: Yeah, talking about developers, we're talking about now you know, 115 00:07:26,391 --> 00:07:31,871 Speaker 1: big corporations, investors, people overseas and I've got interests here, 116 00:07:31,951 --> 00:07:35,871 Speaker 1: invested interest here. What's some advice you know that you 117 00:07:35,911 --> 00:07:38,671 Speaker 1: could share if they're listening to this yarna or watching 118 00:07:38,711 --> 00:07:41,511 Speaker 1: it on YouTube, what would you say to them in 119 00:07:41,591 --> 00:07:46,351 Speaker 1: terms of how how do they go about building these relationships? 120 00:07:46,351 --> 00:07:49,551 Speaker 1: What are those some of those first steps that you 121 00:07:49,751 --> 00:07:53,831 Speaker 1: think would be of value to share with them. 122 00:07:54,151 --> 00:07:59,951 Speaker 2: Start early, having the conversations, and be very clear in 123 00:08:00,391 --> 00:08:04,391 Speaker 2: what you're bringing to the table. Make the interests interests 124 00:08:04,751 --> 00:08:08,191 Speaker 2: explicit rather than talking round ways and the like. It's 125 00:08:08,751 --> 00:08:13,031 Speaker 2: was suggested yesterday that how we engage when we know 126 00:08:13,111 --> 00:08:15,911 Speaker 2: someone gam and come into the room that aren't straight 127 00:08:15,991 --> 00:08:18,631 Speaker 2: up and down. We've got our own queues. We read 128 00:08:18,671 --> 00:08:22,031 Speaker 2: body language and the like, and these sounds that we 129 00:08:22,111 --> 00:08:24,191 Speaker 2: issue with ad we know when someone's gam and so look, 130 00:08:24,271 --> 00:08:28,631 Speaker 2: come in and be respectful of people in place, and 131 00:08:28,831 --> 00:08:32,991 Speaker 2: take the time, don't come last minute, f pick or 132 00:08:33,031 --> 00:08:36,751 Speaker 2: free prior and informed consent means means, start early and 133 00:08:37,271 --> 00:08:43,631 Speaker 2: give give of self and interests and agendas upfront. We 134 00:08:43,631 --> 00:08:47,111 Speaker 2: can save so much time, We can save so many 135 00:08:47,151 --> 00:08:51,631 Speaker 2: dollars being spent on costly legal processes and like, if 136 00:08:51,671 --> 00:08:54,911 Speaker 2: we simply just sit opposite each other like we're doing 137 00:08:54,951 --> 00:08:59,431 Speaker 2: here now, girl, and having this open hearted, open mind 138 00:08:59,511 --> 00:09:03,911 Speaker 2: conversation and use those those body parts as we have. 139 00:09:03,951 --> 00:09:06,991 Speaker 2: We've all been told use them in proportion. Two eyes, 140 00:09:07,591 --> 00:09:13,231 Speaker 2: two ears, one mouth, use it in those proportions. So listen, listen, listen, Yes, 141 00:09:13,791 --> 00:09:16,751 Speaker 2: as the wisdom of old people say. 142 00:09:16,991 --> 00:09:25,511 Speaker 1: Listen, talking about wisdom of the old people. I've got 143 00:09:25,511 --> 00:09:29,511 Speaker 1: to mention now, Uncle Charlie Watson, bless you. I'm still around, 144 00:09:29,551 --> 00:09:33,991 Speaker 1: Uncle Charlie wat Willy to you, my deadly uncle and 145 00:09:34,511 --> 00:09:39,111 Speaker 1: Aunt Lilla out at jim Berlanga nursing home and only 146 00:09:39,191 --> 00:09:42,391 Speaker 1: mayor with the three elders that you know. I was 147 00:09:42,871 --> 00:09:46,751 Speaker 1: privileged and honored for them to ask me to go 148 00:09:46,791 --> 00:09:49,831 Speaker 1: into business with them and start Black Card. And it 149 00:09:49,951 --> 00:09:54,031 Speaker 1: was really about teaching people about aboriginal tones of reference, 150 00:09:54,071 --> 00:09:58,231 Speaker 1: not cultural awareness, about our accumulated knowledge. It comes from 151 00:09:58,271 --> 00:10:03,951 Speaker 1: this land that developed over millennia. How do we age, 152 00:10:03,951 --> 00:10:06,991 Speaker 1: how do we build relationships, how do we conduct ourselves, 153 00:10:07,151 --> 00:10:11,711 Speaker 1: especially as visitors on other mobs country. So Aunt Lilla 154 00:10:11,871 --> 00:10:16,231 Speaker 1: or doctor La Watson, these aboriginal terms of reference, you 155 00:10:16,311 --> 00:10:19,231 Speaker 1: can call them indigenous terms of reference, but they are 156 00:10:19,311 --> 00:10:23,271 Speaker 1: the core principles the foundational knowledge that we teach at 157 00:10:23,311 --> 00:10:29,831 Speaker 1: Black Cart relationality. You know the law of obligations, the 158 00:10:29,951 --> 00:10:36,231 Speaker 1: law of reciprocity. But everything is embedded in relationships from 159 00:10:36,311 --> 00:10:39,711 Speaker 1: a first nation's perspective, in how we get along, how 160 00:10:39,791 --> 00:10:43,991 Speaker 1: we settle differences. And I think it's such and I 161 00:10:43,991 --> 00:10:46,471 Speaker 1: don't think I know, and I've been taught this in 162 00:10:46,511 --> 00:10:52,711 Speaker 1: schooled by the elders, that we developed a sophisticated governance system. 163 00:10:53,631 --> 00:10:59,071 Speaker 1: We developed this governance system that we don't think exists 164 00:10:59,111 --> 00:11:01,471 Speaker 1: anywhere in the world when it comes to other indigenous 165 00:11:01,511 --> 00:11:05,711 Speaker 1: groups because it's lateral flat. You know, male and female 166 00:11:05,791 --> 00:11:09,951 Speaker 1: sitting side by side and community coming together when it's 167 00:11:09,991 --> 00:11:13,711 Speaker 1: community business. But we've got men's business, we've got women's business, 168 00:11:13,791 --> 00:11:17,151 Speaker 1: and there's respect between the two. So if men are 169 00:11:17,151 --> 00:11:20,191 Speaker 1: coming into a community, maybe they should bring a female 170 00:11:20,751 --> 00:11:22,951 Speaker 1: colleague with them as well, because they don't know if 171 00:11:22,991 --> 00:11:25,231 Speaker 1: they're meeting with male and female or if it's a 172 00:11:25,231 --> 00:11:27,831 Speaker 1: young woman coming and make sure she's got an older 173 00:11:28,071 --> 00:11:31,311 Speaker 1: female or a male there to come with two people 174 00:11:31,351 --> 00:11:34,591 Speaker 1: instead of just the one. Some of those cultural protocols 175 00:11:34,591 --> 00:11:37,311 Speaker 1: are not known well, I would say most of our 176 00:11:37,351 --> 00:11:41,831 Speaker 1: protocols are not known to most Australians because they haven't 177 00:11:41,871 --> 00:11:46,231 Speaker 1: taken the time. And you mentioned this, allow for time, 178 00:11:47,191 --> 00:11:53,311 Speaker 1: allow for proper consultation, don't come with an agenda. Maybe 179 00:11:53,351 --> 00:11:56,831 Speaker 1: come with building the relationship. Come with the mindset that 180 00:11:56,871 --> 00:11:59,991 Speaker 1: you're here to build a relationship and maybe the agenda 181 00:12:00,031 --> 00:12:03,111 Speaker 1: comes next time. But allowing for times. So these are 182 00:12:03,151 --> 00:12:09,231 Speaker 1: really and protocols or steps that people can take to 183 00:12:09,311 --> 00:12:10,791 Speaker 1: get the best outcome possible. 184 00:12:11,471 --> 00:12:15,631 Speaker 2: Absolutely, time is limited. We look at the average life 185 00:12:15,671 --> 00:12:20,071 Speaker 2: expectancy of each us, each of us well, us MOB 186 00:12:20,151 --> 00:12:23,231 Speaker 2: is a little bit lower than the general austration Australian population. 187 00:12:23,431 --> 00:12:27,231 Speaker 2: So when you multiply the average life expectancy by fifty 188 00:12:27,231 --> 00:12:30,991 Speaker 2: two weeks, and see where you're at now that you've 189 00:12:31,391 --> 00:12:34,151 Speaker 2: got I got a clock ticking and we just don't know. 190 00:12:34,471 --> 00:12:38,751 Speaker 2: So that importance of every every breath, of every thought, 191 00:12:39,831 --> 00:12:43,351 Speaker 2: and in the way that we have these conversations between 192 00:12:43,431 --> 00:12:48,071 Speaker 2: us and with us and with others those it's a 193 00:12:47,791 --> 00:12:49,991 Speaker 2: little bit like the nice seeing creed if you like, 194 00:12:49,991 --> 00:12:53,671 Speaker 2: if you wanted to borrow a white fellow fellow comparison 195 00:12:53,871 --> 00:12:58,631 Speaker 2: that it's it's a prayer of approach. And when we 196 00:12:58,711 --> 00:13:01,471 Speaker 2: come and call the country, it's we've got koi bay 197 00:13:01,511 --> 00:13:05,351 Speaker 2: up there a yapooon or in our way there in 198 00:13:05,391 --> 00:13:09,031 Speaker 2: the central highlands there too, we say your coup call 199 00:13:09,071 --> 00:13:11,351 Speaker 2: out loud in our voice, and we sit and we wait. 200 00:13:11,631 --> 00:13:14,231 Speaker 2: We could wait three days or something waiting for MOB 201 00:13:14,311 --> 00:13:18,551 Speaker 2: to come and and let us condition ourselves to being 202 00:13:18,671 --> 00:13:22,751 Speaker 2: this space and absorbing the spirit of place and the 203 00:13:22,751 --> 00:13:27,711 Speaker 2: embodiment of culture and practice and a protocol that belongs here, 204 00:13:28,511 --> 00:13:31,111 Speaker 2: so as the circles fall back around if we're doing 205 00:13:31,471 --> 00:13:34,831 Speaker 2: doing work, even travelers coming through caravaners, I'm a caravan, 206 00:13:34,911 --> 00:13:40,751 Speaker 2: I'm not a grey nomad. Well that's it absolutely black 207 00:13:40,831 --> 00:13:43,991 Speaker 2: brindle or whichever way, and there's here cafe late nomad. 208 00:13:44,871 --> 00:13:47,551 Speaker 2: But working, working through and it doesn't matter where we 209 00:13:47,591 --> 00:13:51,111 Speaker 2: go around this great southern land. We're obliged to practice 210 00:13:51,551 --> 00:13:55,951 Speaker 2: our deep seated protocols. And if others that travel country 211 00:13:56,431 --> 00:13:58,911 Speaker 2: adopt some of those protocols or the ways of being, 212 00:13:59,031 --> 00:14:04,871 Speaker 2: knowing and and behaving, there's an opportunity for us to 213 00:14:04,911 --> 00:14:08,431 Speaker 2: have some deep exchanges as we pass through through country, 214 00:14:08,911 --> 00:14:11,431 Speaker 2: not just through the lens of a camera, but through 215 00:14:11,431 --> 00:14:15,191 Speaker 2: the relationships that we have here and with that person 216 00:14:15,551 --> 00:14:20,311 Speaker 2: and there, and the offerings the gifts come manyfold to 217 00:14:20,351 --> 00:14:22,391 Speaker 2: say well you should come and stay here when you 218 00:14:22,431 --> 00:14:26,711 Speaker 2: come to Victoria or whichever way. Yeah, yep. Those protocols 219 00:14:26,751 --> 00:14:30,751 Speaker 2: are extremely relevant for now, and we need we could 220 00:14:30,791 --> 00:14:34,151 Speaker 2: do so much more of all of us, each of us, 221 00:14:34,191 --> 00:14:37,551 Speaker 2: no matter which where we come from originally joining us 222 00:14:37,551 --> 00:14:42,071 Speaker 2: mob here, enjoy enjoy the benefits that come with being 223 00:14:42,511 --> 00:14:45,631 Speaker 2: with us. Yeah, it's not a competition. We're going to 224 00:14:45,671 --> 00:14:47,511 Speaker 2: share this. Yeah, yeah, I love that. 225 00:14:47,631 --> 00:14:51,791 Speaker 1: Uncle. You just reminded me about we're talking about protocols 226 00:14:51,831 --> 00:14:59,311 Speaker 1: and country and letting mainstream Australians know it's okay to 227 00:14:59,471 --> 00:15:05,151 Speaker 1: adopt some of our customs and pro to cols. In fact, 228 00:15:05,231 --> 00:15:08,591 Speaker 1: it will make them, i would say, much more connected 229 00:15:09,191 --> 00:15:13,271 Speaker 1: to this country and give them a deeper sense of belonging, 230 00:15:13,631 --> 00:15:17,231 Speaker 1: which a lot of non Aboriginal people they don't experience 231 00:15:17,271 --> 00:15:20,471 Speaker 1: this sense of belonging that we experience in our country 232 00:15:20,511 --> 00:15:23,351 Speaker 1: and on our land. Even when we're in other people's country, 233 00:15:23,951 --> 00:15:27,071 Speaker 1: we still know. Well, I know for a fact growing 234 00:15:27,151 --> 00:15:30,111 Speaker 1: up in my family and my community, I know where 235 00:15:30,111 --> 00:15:33,031 Speaker 1: I belong and that's also a privilege. And I know 236 00:15:33,071 --> 00:15:35,391 Speaker 1: that a lot of our mob have struggled with that 237 00:15:35,471 --> 00:15:39,271 Speaker 1: sense of belonging because of past gopment policies. With that 238 00:15:39,391 --> 00:15:42,671 Speaker 1: welcome to country and acknowledging country, we talk about it 239 00:15:42,711 --> 00:15:47,031 Speaker 1: being an ancient diplomatic protocol, a tradition that has been 240 00:15:47,071 --> 00:15:50,351 Speaker 1: practiced for tens of thousands of years, and then we 241 00:15:50,391 --> 00:15:54,031 Speaker 1: show the Aboriginal languages map of Australia. The iatzis Haughton 242 00:15:54,151 --> 00:15:59,231 Speaker 1: version and remind people that this is probably the earliest 243 00:15:59,271 --> 00:16:02,511 Speaker 1: example of a human government than anywhere else in the world. 244 00:16:02,631 --> 00:16:04,551 Speaker 1: And even though we're being a little bit biased at 245 00:16:05,591 --> 00:16:07,831 Speaker 1: Black Card, we believe, and this is what we share 246 00:16:07,871 --> 00:16:11,551 Speaker 1: with people. We believe that Abiginal people of this land 247 00:16:11,751 --> 00:16:16,631 Speaker 1: invented diplomacy. And what does that mean, you know, how 248 00:16:16,671 --> 00:16:19,471 Speaker 1: we engage with each other. It's about minimizing the potential 249 00:16:19,471 --> 00:16:25,031 Speaker 1: for conflict. It doesn't make peace right, but it lays 250 00:16:25,071 --> 00:16:30,191 Speaker 1: the foundations for positive relation or you know, interactions with 251 00:16:30,271 --> 00:16:32,671 Speaker 1: each other. And there's another concept that our little and 252 00:16:32,671 --> 00:16:36,671 Speaker 1: aunt Mary talk about in terms of this congenial fellowship 253 00:16:37,511 --> 00:16:39,831 Speaker 1: and leave him, an associolinguist, talked about it when he 254 00:16:39,871 --> 00:16:42,471 Speaker 1: lived with their mob on our undercountry. They said that 255 00:16:42,511 --> 00:16:45,391 Speaker 1: he never come across another group indigenous group in the 256 00:16:45,431 --> 00:16:49,311 Speaker 1: world like blackfellows, which is our people here that worked 257 00:16:49,351 --> 00:16:52,991 Speaker 1: so hard at relationships with each other. And whether he 258 00:16:53,071 --> 00:16:54,751 Speaker 1: coined that term or not, I'm not too sure, but 259 00:16:55,151 --> 00:16:59,791 Speaker 1: he was the one that talked about this congenial congeniality. 260 00:17:00,511 --> 00:17:04,311 Speaker 1: To be congenial is to create those good feelings the group, 261 00:17:05,191 --> 00:17:07,831 Speaker 1: and that's what we need to remind not just non 262 00:17:07,871 --> 00:17:10,111 Speaker 1: Abiginal people about it. I think it's now our own mob. 263 00:17:10,631 --> 00:17:12,351 Speaker 1: As you say, you've got a lot of work to do, 264 00:17:12,991 --> 00:17:14,591 Speaker 1: We got a lot of work to do, especially in 265 00:17:14,631 --> 00:17:17,911 Speaker 1: this clean energy space and the renewable energy. In these 266 00:17:17,951 --> 00:17:23,271 Speaker 1: transitions into clean energy, what could we hope for the 267 00:17:23,351 --> 00:17:26,911 Speaker 1: future for our mob in particular when it comes to 268 00:17:28,031 --> 00:17:32,031 Speaker 1: understanding what does clean energy and renewables? What does it 269 00:17:32,071 --> 00:17:34,831 Speaker 1: even mean for us? What do we need to look 270 00:17:34,871 --> 00:17:35,311 Speaker 1: out for? 271 00:17:35,791 --> 00:17:40,591 Speaker 2: It's this lessons of coexistence that comes from thousands of 272 00:17:40,671 --> 00:17:45,111 Speaker 2: generations in being in this space allows us to share 273 00:17:45,151 --> 00:17:47,391 Speaker 2: wisdom and understanding of what it means to be here. 274 00:17:48,511 --> 00:17:50,591 Speaker 2: We all have our mob, we all need a mob, 275 00:17:50,951 --> 00:17:53,391 Speaker 2: and a lot of us are finding our mob. But 276 00:17:53,431 --> 00:17:59,471 Speaker 2: to those who who are curious, I know another another 277 00:17:59,511 --> 00:18:04,671 Speaker 2: phrase that has understood. You mentioned diplomacy longer standing, but 278 00:18:04,751 --> 00:18:09,471 Speaker 2: the same same here in so far as traveling traveling 279 00:18:09,591 --> 00:18:13,511 Speaker 2: between country. Here we've got the world's oldest passport system, 280 00:18:14,471 --> 00:18:16,711 Speaker 2: and that came by a message, Dick, or by the 281 00:18:17,031 --> 00:18:19,391 Speaker 2: by the behaviors that we had when approaching country and 282 00:18:19,391 --> 00:18:23,111 Speaker 2: the like. So it's suggesting there before that when you 283 00:18:23,151 --> 00:18:29,031 Speaker 2: are traveling traveling country, be with us. Have these conversations 284 00:18:29,031 --> 00:18:31,711 Speaker 2: with us. Don't fear us, don't be frightened of us, 285 00:18:32,631 --> 00:18:36,351 Speaker 2: Sit with us, and deep an understanding of how you 286 00:18:36,471 --> 00:18:41,871 Speaker 2: might you might coexist in in place and space, but 287 00:18:41,991 --> 00:18:47,591 Speaker 2: also within relationships. Yep, we've all got one. A lot 288 00:18:47,591 --> 00:18:49,631 Speaker 2: of my friends said, I've got one. I've got a 289 00:18:49,631 --> 00:18:52,351 Speaker 2: black fellow. He's a good friend. And well so I've 290 00:18:52,351 --> 00:18:55,351 Speaker 2: got ninety seven ninety percent of Australians out there as 291 00:18:55,391 --> 00:18:58,471 Speaker 2: potential friends. So how rich and blessed am I here? 292 00:18:59,591 --> 00:19:04,511 Speaker 1: Certainly we can just remind people, yes, of our way, 293 00:19:05,191 --> 00:19:09,231 Speaker 1: the old ways, you know, our way of this just this. 294 00:19:10,471 --> 00:19:12,711 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about mob in terms 295 00:19:12,751 --> 00:19:16,751 Speaker 1: of just being so approachable, so accepting, so forgiving, so loving, 296 00:19:17,951 --> 00:19:21,191 Speaker 1: so understanding. And even Granniemook used to say, you know, 297 00:19:21,671 --> 00:19:25,951 Speaker 1: when you speak those words, they can't come back. When 298 00:19:25,991 --> 00:19:28,551 Speaker 1: they leave your mouth, they're gone. So think about what 299 00:19:28,631 --> 00:19:29,711 Speaker 1: you say. 300 00:19:29,951 --> 00:19:31,471 Speaker 2: They're in the wind. They're in the wind. 301 00:19:31,471 --> 00:19:32,191 Speaker 1: They're in the wind. 302 00:19:32,671 --> 00:19:37,311 Speaker 2: My nanimally nanomally carry carry. Muley Thompson has had a 303 00:19:37,391 --> 00:19:40,471 Speaker 2: term bint the way, which means you open your heart. 304 00:19:40,991 --> 00:19:43,231 Speaker 2: You open your heart, but you be careful how wide 305 00:19:43,271 --> 00:19:46,191 Speaker 2: you open that heart, because there are others who might 306 00:19:46,751 --> 00:19:51,071 Speaker 2: might take advantage of but but bint the way. So 307 00:19:51,231 --> 00:19:54,271 Speaker 2: it's it's again, it's a practice down through the generations 308 00:19:54,391 --> 00:19:58,831 Speaker 2: and be open hearted. There's a risk in that. Love 309 00:19:59,751 --> 00:20:03,031 Speaker 2: everything everything else that comes with relationships. There is a 310 00:20:03,071 --> 00:20:06,391 Speaker 2: risk in that. But this is a great risk to 311 00:20:06,471 --> 00:20:11,791 Speaker 2: be taking, to be sharing space, time and energy between 312 00:20:11,791 --> 00:20:14,111 Speaker 2: each of us here coexist. 313 00:20:14,231 --> 00:20:17,591 Speaker 1: Uncle, What a beautiful way to wrap up our yarn 314 00:20:17,711 --> 00:20:20,711 Speaker 1: and just saying thank you for giving me your time 315 00:20:21,191 --> 00:20:24,951 Speaker 1: to share your knowledge, your wisdom, your experience, the work 316 00:20:24,991 --> 00:20:27,751 Speaker 1: that you're doing, the work that you're embarking on here 317 00:20:27,791 --> 00:20:30,031 Speaker 1: on the Black Magic Woman podcasts. I just want to 318 00:20:30,071 --> 00:20:33,431 Speaker 1: say thank you and looking forward to more yards with 319 00:20:33,471 --> 00:20:34,471 Speaker 1: you in the near future. 320 00:20:34,711 --> 00:20:37,871 Speaker 2: Oh look, thank you, my girl. And I just love 321 00:20:38,751 --> 00:20:43,111 Speaker 2: this extended family connection with you and yours and those 322 00:20:43,231 --> 00:20:45,351 Speaker 2: arties and uncles. Heah deadly what. 323 00:20:46,111 --> 00:20:49,551 Speaker 1: What a molly your mob. There is more to come 324 00:20:50,111 --> 00:20:52,151 Speaker 1: with a lot of the mob that are gathering here 325 00:20:52,191 --> 00:20:56,551 Speaker 1: on Kabby Cubby Gabby Gubby Country for the first Nation's 326 00:20:56,671 --> 00:21:01,111 Speaker 1: Clean Energy Network Summit. Over four hundred and fifty delegates 327 00:21:01,191 --> 00:21:03,551 Speaker 1: are here and I can't wait for you to hear 328 00:21:04,031 --> 00:21:07,631 Speaker 1: some of the other amazing conversations that have been recorded 329 00:21:07,791 --> 00:21:10,951 Speaker 1: on this beautiful land. I hope you've enjoyed this Deadly 330 00:21:11,031 --> 00:21:14,431 Speaker 1: Young Instead of me saying until next time, by for now, 331 00:21:14,711 --> 00:21:17,431 Speaker 1: I'm going to leave you with the words and our language, 332 00:21:17,551 --> 00:21:20,591 Speaker 1: or word in our language, it says not goodbye, but 333 00:21:20,671 --> 00:21:21,471 Speaker 1: we'll see you soon. 334 00:21:21,791 --> 00:21:22,351 Speaker 2: What a moly. 335 00:21:23,151 --> 00:21:26,551 Speaker 1: If you'd like any more on today's guest, please visit 336 00:21:26,591 --> 00:21:31,431 Speaker 1: our show notes in the episode description. 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