1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the. 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Time poor parent who just wants answers now, Kylie. 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: We keep on seeing it in the news. Cost of 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: living is biting more and more families finding themselves in 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 2: this situation where both parents need to work, and a 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 2: lot of mums in particular are kind of saying, this 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: is getting tricky. I don't all I've done for the 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: last little while has been a mum. How do I 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: put mum on my resume and get taken seriously? Just 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: recently there was an article on the ABC website where 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: jess On talked about precisely this challenge. She talked about 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: how even becoming a mum, she wasn't sure if she 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: wanted to be a mom, wasn't sure if motherhood was 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 2: for her, but then once she had that child, there 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: was nowhere else, nowhere else that she wanted to be. 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: We've watched that happen with our own daughter. 18 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Having six daughters of my own, I know that feeling. 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: You think that you're going to be happier outside of 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: the home, but once you've got children who pull at 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: your heart strings, all you want to do is be 22 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: with them. 23 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course how our eldest daughter has made 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: us grandparents. She's got her baby with her husband, and 25 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: she thought that. 26 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: She would spend a lot of time outside of the 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: home being the bread winner while her husband stayed at home. 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: That was their initial plan. Like literally, he was like, yeah, 29 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: I'll stay at home, I'll look after the baby. 30 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: You still would I think he still would, But she 31 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: knows not giving up that role for any one, no, no. 32 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 2: No, nowhere else that I wanted to be. Jess Ong 33 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: said that, and I mean there's a whole lot of 34 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 2: research from the Australian Institute of Family Studies that points 35 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: in that direction, especially for new mums. I love what 36 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: jess said in her article. She said, to not have 37 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: to outsource care is of course a privilege full of 38 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: tender moments, but it's also isolating, relentless, and completely undervalued. 39 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: And this is what I want to talk about in 40 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: today's podcast because as more and more mums are saying, 41 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: oh gosh, I do need to get out to work, 42 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: But what do I put on my regume? We've been there, 43 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: We've done something about it. So here's what Jessong said 44 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: on an Instagram post, and she wrote about this in 45 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: this ABC article, She said, I explained in my Instagram 46 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: post that I'd updated my CV and decided to harness 47 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 2: all of my ruminations and include being a mother because 48 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: why not, She says, I haven't disappeared, but in the 49 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: eyes of the system and the payroll, I have yet. 50 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: Skills and talents that I've cultivated over the last thirty 51 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: nine years are put to good use and challenged every 52 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: single day. 53 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: But as far as the CV goes, it's almost like 54 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: you've stopped learning, you've stopped growing, you've stopped progressing, because 55 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: you don't have a piece of paper that suggests that 56 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: either you've gone to school and studied and furthered your 57 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: education or you've actually worked for high flying business owners. 58 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 2: So a few years ago, you were having a conversation 59 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 2: with somebody in your favorite retail outlet hashtag not sponsored. 60 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 2: But you love adairs right like anything to do with 61 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 2: home furnishings. 62 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: You know you're a frequent shopper when you're on first 63 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: name time with the boss of the storm. 64 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: And all of the sales assistants as well. So you're 65 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: in a dairs, you're having a chat and she says, hey, 66 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: we've got a position going you should apply, and you 67 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: came home and said, they've offered me a job, but 68 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: I have to apply. What am I supposed to put 69 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: on my regume? I haven't worked for over twenty years, 70 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: to which I replied, you haven't had paid work for 71 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: over twenty years. You've worked your tail off for the 72 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: last twenty years. We need to put that you've been 73 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: a mum in your resume, which is pretty much what 74 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: jess On from the ABC said. I wrote down that 75 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: I was a mum, and I put those skills in 76 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: and so you and I sat down and wrote a 77 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: resume that had all of your mum duties as a 78 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: reason why you should get this job in retail at Adairs, 79 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: and I thought, in today's conversation, because so many people 80 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: are going through we should chat about what you put 81 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: into that resume so that you could score the job 82 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: that you really really wanted to have. 83 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: I loved that we were able to have so much 84 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: fun with this because at the time I was just 85 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: looking at it, going as if they're going to be 86 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: interested in me. 87 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: You've rolled your eyes and you said, no, we can't 88 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: say that I'm a mum, and I said no, no, no, no, no, no, 89 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: you are. We're going to detail everything that you do 90 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: in your work experience as a mum. So I said, 91 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: you're a CEO, you're an operations manager, you're a human 92 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 2: resources manager. There's so much going on, And then we 93 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: started to list everything that a CEO would do that 94 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: you would do. Have a listen to this list. 95 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: Overseeing all managerial aspects of life for six children who 96 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: require significant levels of oversight and direction. Let's be honest 97 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: with my husband, it's seven people. 98 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: I can't believe that we put that in. 99 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: Planning strategy and policy decisions for the team based on 100 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: values and mission, coupled with short and long term goals 101 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: via weekly management meetings and quarterly strategy sessions. 102 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: So this is legit. You and I have a weekly 103 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: family meeting and we have quarterly strategy sessions as a 104 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: couple to make sure our family's on track. So you 105 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: were saying, as a CEO, this is what I do. 106 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: I have these these regular meetings and I oversee all 107 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: of these aspects. Carry on, though, because the CEO does more, 108 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: and you write down another handful of roles and responsibilities 109 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: in that CEO. 110 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: Outline, delegating and overseeing all staff activities maintaining client and 111 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: employee relationships via an extremely complex calendar involving multiple moving parts. 112 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: It's so brilliant. 113 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: Building alliances and partnerships with other organizations. 114 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: In other words, organizing playdates with other families. 115 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: Development of a culture that promotes performance, excellence and builds 116 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: team morale. Providing conflict resolution strategies wherever there is conflict 117 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: between tricky personalities on the team, and providing inspired leadership 118 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: for the team. 119 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 2: So I'm reviewing this with you right now. I'm watching 120 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: it as you read this, and I'm thinking, we did 121 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 2: this without chat GPT like this. This is a really 122 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 2: really creative, really fun resume. That's the CEO role, but 123 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: we also included OPS manager and human resources manager. Why 124 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: don't you go through the five duties of a mum 125 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: being an OPS manager. 126 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: Being responsible for intricate logistics operations from five am to 127 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: team PM and later for a large team, managing a 128 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: complex schedule for eight people, conducting analysis and improvement of 129 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: all organizational processes and workflows, working to improve quality, productivity 130 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: and efficiency in the team, and occupational health and safety 131 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: responsibilities for the entire team. 132 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: I just love that one. And the human resources manager 133 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 2: we've put three things down for that as. 134 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: Well, determining and establishing training procedures for the team, developing 135 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: team roles for each new member of the team based 136 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: on individual development, training and capability. I love this and 137 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: capacity building of team members. 138 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: So I mean, we're having a lot of fun with this. 139 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: But as we sat down and worked through this, you 140 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: and I essentially said, all of these things that you 141 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 2: do with your kids, you do this with adults in 142 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: a team environment. So let's write it down in a nutshell, 143 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: Running a large family requires you, as a mum to 144 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: learn and master an extensive range of skills that are 145 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: really tremendously transferable to the workplace. The maturity and the wisdom, 146 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: the experience that you get from being a mum is 147 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: so valuable. And that's just a small taste of the 148 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: various things that we could write down that represent your capabilities. 149 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: So that's part one of what we jotted down, But 150 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: then we added some more. 151 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: So over the years, I have done extensive volunteering within 152 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 1: our church organization, and I added to my resume CEO 153 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: of a children's organization, president of a women's organization, and 154 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: the president of a young women's organization. And within those 155 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: I outlined the different areas that I had worked and 156 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: trained in to help each of those organizations flourish. 157 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: The million dollar question, well it wasn't really a million 158 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: dollar question, but it was more of like a twenty 159 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: four dollars an hour question, did you get the job? 160 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: When I sat down with my boss who wasn't my 161 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: boss at the time, and we had the interview, she said, 162 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: can I just tell you that your resume was the 163 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: best resume I have ever read? She said. I sat 164 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: down with my partner and we just laughed our heads 165 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: as we read everything that you've achieved, and she said, 166 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: and the reality is, yes you have. You are doing 167 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: all of those things on a daily basis. 168 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: I want to go back to the statement that jess 169 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: On made. She said, being a stay at home mum 170 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: is full of wonderful, tender moments, but it's also isolating, relentless, 171 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: and completely undervalued. But when you look at what that 172 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: unpaid work taught you and how you were able to 173 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: put that into a resume and turn it into something 174 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: of value, you got that job because being a mum, 175 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: being involved, getting your systems right in the family, it 176 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: teaches you so much and if I recall correctly, you 177 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: were pretty highly valued on the team. Won't you like 178 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: that number one salesperson or something like that? 179 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: I was for a while, for a while. Yeah. If 180 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: nothing else, what it showed my future employer was that 181 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: I was able to look outside the box and really 182 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: get creative about how I might utilize my talents and gifts. 183 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: And I think that was ultimately what got me the job. 184 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so jess on to wrap things up, she said this. 185 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: I returned to part time paid work six months ago, 186 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: and since then I've started correcting people when they ask 187 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: how work is going, gently interjecting with paid work. You mean, 188 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: it's not to make anyone uncomfortable, but I need to 189 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: agitate the narrative because until I became a mother, I 190 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: never really gave any of this much thought either. I 191 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: never thought about the little value society places on the 192 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: biggest job of raising its future, about how the label 193 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 2: stay at home mum diminishes and simple lifies the hours 194 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: of never ending and complex, unpaid work. Now we're going 195 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: to share your resume. We'll make a couple of edits 196 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: and alterations so that it's not too personal, but we're 197 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: going to share your resume at Happy Families dot com 198 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: dot au and on our social media pages, because I 199 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: reckon there's going to be a lot of mums who 200 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: are going to look at this and say, hmm, I 201 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: can take this, I can tweak this, and I can 202 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: make myself look like I'm presentable to an employer because 203 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: as much as I want to stay at home, I 204 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: need to work at the moment because everything costs so much. Kylie, 205 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: I think it's inspiration. I think it's awesome what you did. 206 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: The thing that really stood out to me as I 207 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: went through that process was when we started it, I 208 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: felt so unsure of myself and I felt like I 209 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: didn't have anything to offer. But as we went through 210 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: the process of pinpointing all of the various skills that 211 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: I had learnt and developed over our twenty plus years 212 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: of parenting, it gave me the confidence to walk in 213 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: there and say I actually have something to offer. It 214 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: was powerful. 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