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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Look what do you reckon? Does he need to resign

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Speaker 4: He should leave the parliament. Yeah, he I saw him

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's why they fought so hard against the

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Speaker 1: Do you think this, It sort of indicates that there

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we need to have better people in leadership positions, clearly.

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Speaker 2: Why did you get that from that? They're actually buying

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Speaker 1: So Loke, you were going to last time we spoke,

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Speaker 1: So are you pushing for there to be an inquiry

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Speaker 4: But I think i'd like to see something that brings

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Speaker 1: How soon could we potentially see this inquiry get on

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Speaker 3: So I'm.

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Speaker 4: Working up what I would see is a good terms

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Speaker 2: What exactly is happening.

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Speaker 4: And Templeman's been appointed. She's a colleague of mine from

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Speaker 2: So look at the Darwin Festival right now.

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Speaker 4: also got Amanda Rishworth in town. She's a Minister for

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Speaker 4: that and well done to Kay Warden for her advocacy.

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Speaker 4: Then we've got Matt Keo who's the Veterans Affairs Minister,

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Speaker 4: and he'll be joining me out at bees Creek tomorrow

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Speaker 4: afternoon at six pm for Vietnam Veterans.

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Speaker 3: Day Memorial service.

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Speaker 4: Everyone's welcome to come out to Bee's Creek to Reg

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Speaker 3: And I just note that.

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Speaker 4: Bob Shering, who's done a lot of work for Vietnam veterans,

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Speaker 4: he's launching a book about Reg Helier, who was the

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Speaker 4: only Territory Vietnam veteran to die during the Vietnam War.

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Speaker 4: And it's a fantastic book and a great credit to

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Speaker 4: Bob and the work of Veterans Australia and tea out

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Speaker 4: at bees Creek.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Luke Gosling, we appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to leave it there, but

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Speaker 1: thanks very much for coming on having a chat with us.

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Speaker 3: We did fit a bit in.

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Speaker 2: Katey certainly did