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Speaker 1: Dumb Mission with Jones and Amanda Well. We had a

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Speaker 1: feisty pre show meeting discussing essays Australia last night.

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Speaker 2: It's not unusual to have a feisty pre show meeting.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to watch. I enjoyed the First Step because

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Speaker 1: of meeting or the show we say is Australia last week,

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Speaker 1: where women were being punched in the face and things.

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Speaker 1: I kind of found it interesting to watch because it

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Speaker 1: was so different last night's.

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Speaker 3: I just think I'm over it.

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Speaker 1: The whole time I'd have said, oh, shut up, shut up,

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Speaker 1: shut up. This isn't war, this is ugly, this is brutal,

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Speaker 1: there's no need for this. Why don't you shut up?

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Speaker 1: And I started to feel it. For as Durani's got

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Speaker 1: it right by trying.

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Speaker 3: To laugh at them, I just was over it.

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Speaker 1: The idea last night was talking about wavery and how

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Speaker 1: you have to get your head will dictate how you

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Speaker 1: go test yourself.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. So they saw the contestants.

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Speaker 1: Having a bag on head, being dragged through a tunnel,

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Speaker 1: being pulled up by the scruff of the neck, pushed.

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Speaker 3: Along very aggressively.

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Speaker 1: Then they have a bag pulled off their head, they

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Speaker 1: stand up, they get a gun thrust into their arms

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Speaker 1: and they have to work out whether the person they're

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Speaker 1: firing at has a gun up or a gun down.

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Speaker 1: And if the gun's up, you get the safety catch

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Speaker 1: off and you fire back. Yeah, that's war, it's television.

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Speaker 2: It's war.

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Speaker 1: And they were most of them were abused because they

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Speaker 1: weren't fast enough with getting the safety off and they

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Speaker 1: weren't quick enough to decide to shoot somebody. As Australians,

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Speaker 1: we don't have a gun culture. As Australians, we don't

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Speaker 1: grow up picturing us ourselves firing a weapon. If we

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Speaker 1: watched a whole lot of Americans doing it and they

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Speaker 1: did it so easily, we go wow, that's disturbing. And

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Speaker 1: yet these people were criticized for not being good enough

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Speaker 1: with a gun. Here's shanea Jack. Shana is an Australian swimmer.

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Speaker 1: This is what happened when she got there and she

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Speaker 1: found she couldn't fire.

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Speaker 4: Tell guy, what do you see an enemy? I should

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Speaker 4: have fired?

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 4: You are a liability to the whole of the people

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Speaker 4: behind you that leads it to me or someone else.

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Speaker 4: To go and tell your mom, tell your dad, holding

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Speaker 4: on two nuts. God, us all killed nearly unfortunately she's dead.

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Speaker 3: How does that sound?

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Speaker 4: Terrible? Sir?

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Speaker 3: Terrible?

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Speaker 4: And all you had to do was think, observe and

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Speaker 4: deal with couldn't do it? Could you?

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Speaker 3: Too many things going on?

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Speaker 4: I let the team answered, you did a disgrace. Get

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Speaker 4: on my side to think about what you've done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't fire at someone. What a disgrace.

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Speaker 2: So why they're in the war situation?

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Speaker 3: Not in the war? Every minitary to.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand why you can't see that. I, of

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Speaker 2: course are these are people who aren't actually joining an army,

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Speaker 2: but we are not in a they're not going to war.

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Speaker 2: But when someone joins the army and even basic training,

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Speaker 2: all you do is get yelled at and you have

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Speaker 2: to make a bed and do a lot of bush ups.

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Speaker 2: That's what happens. They break you down as an individual.

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Speaker 2: That's what these people are doing.

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Speaker 1: But here it is is nighttime viewing that it was aggressive,

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Speaker 1: it was ugly, it was violent.

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Speaker 3: Do we want to see that on television? Doesn't like

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Speaker 3: a pub test? Actually maybe we should put this to the.

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Speaker 2: Maybe ad test. But later part of.

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Speaker 1: The trope, as it were, is these these guys idea

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Speaker 1: of what celebrities are.

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Speaker 4: He said, this, what we're looking for is steeing control

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Speaker 4: of yourself, seeing control of your head. So it's whether

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Speaker 4: they can make that decision. Many celebrity the hardest decision

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Speaker 4: of the day is whether the coffee Lazi is hot

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Speaker 4: enough for.

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Speaker 1: I'll piss off that's what I said, or not because

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Speaker 1: my coffee is not hot enough. The contestants in this

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Speaker 1: show are all people who were trying to get jobs

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Speaker 1: hold on to jobs. They're sports people, they're exports people.

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Speaker 1: They're not late sipping a feat they're not. These are

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Speaker 1: people who are just trying to get by, and by

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Speaker 1: going on this show, they're trying to get by.

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Speaker 3: He says.

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Speaker 1: It's not fitness tests and you're not here to learn

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Speaker 1: about self development.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes they are.

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Speaker 1: They're gone there to test themselves to see, you know,

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Speaker 1: how well they can go.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to join a war.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just found out I wanted to going to join

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Speaker 2: a war.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: It's like when my son wanted to join the army

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Speaker 2: many years ago, and he went along to the recruitment

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Speaker 2: thing and the guy said, well, if we were fighting

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Speaker 2: the Turk and it was the nineteen fifteen. We take

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Speaker 2: all of you guys, but we're not really in a

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Speaker 2: war at the moment, so we're going to put you

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Speaker 2: through all this training and all these things. As it

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Speaker 2: turned out, he couldn't join because he had a medical condition.

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Speaker 2: And that's what it comes down to. It's about finding

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Speaker 2: the strongest character. Because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: when they walk into some god forsaken place in the

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Speaker 2: world and there's a guy putting a gun at him

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Speaker 2: and their guns down or up, they have to shoot

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Speaker 2: that guy. That's the cause.

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Speaker 3: That's the cause.

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Speaker 2: That's the show.

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Speaker 3: I want to see it.

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Speaker 1: Do you know.

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of respect.

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Speaker 1: I've got a lot of respect for Candice Warner, and

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Speaker 1: I just think that no one should be judged by

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Speaker 1: one mistake you've made in your past.

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Speaker 3: As a single woman.

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Speaker 1: This gets thrown in her face constantly, and so last

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Speaker 1: night she said, I'm here to try and make my

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Speaker 1: kids proud. So we see them dragging her through the mud.

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Speaker 1: My sons would be outrage and upset if they saw

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Speaker 1: me being treated. Speak through that, and then they are

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Speaker 1: determined to get her to talk about a toilet incident

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Speaker 1: that she's ashamed of that happened years ago, because that's

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Speaker 1: what they want to see, the salacious bit, and she's

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Speaker 1: this really strong, interesting woman. I just felt that it's

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to see it. It's just ugly and brutal.

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Speaker 2: Well, you don't have to watch it.

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Speaker 3: That's my point.

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Speaker 1: But what does this say about us? That this is

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Speaker 1: prime time viewing?

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Speaker 2: It's a good pub test. I did like this. So

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Speaker 2: after all that, all that yelling in the face and

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Speaker 2: saving lives and costly lives and all that, you had

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Speaker 3: Someone's going to lose an eye, She's got to kill

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