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Speaker 1: Let Me Tell You a Story. On Time Cleary releases

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Speaker 1: The story behind the song The Reflex by Jiranne Duranne,

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Speaker 1: Released in nineteen eighty four, The song was heavily remixed

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Speaker 1: for single release and was the third and last to

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Speaker 1: be taken from their third studio album, Seven and the

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Speaker 1: Ragged Tiger.

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Speaker 2: It actually became the band's most successful single, topping charts

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Speaker 2: internationally in nineteen eighty four. The remixes for both the

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Speaker 2: seven inch and the twelve inch singles. Remember when we'd

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Speaker 2: go and get those. We order them down at Dunda Record,

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Speaker 2: wait three months for them to arrives.

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Speaker 3: We spent a bomb, didn't we.

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Speaker 2: They were created by Nile Rogers, and the story behind

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Speaker 2: the song has a local twist.

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Speaker 3: It certainly does so funky Nile from the bandshk of

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Speaker 3: course with you mate Bernard Edwards, but he worked solo

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Speaker 3: on this one. The Australian connection, Lisa you're referring to

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Speaker 3: there had something to do with a fellow who used

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Speaker 3: to say do yourself a favor a bit is Duranda

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Speaker 3: and vice player John Taylor.

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Speaker 4: You know, in excess. You know, we first encountered them

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Speaker 4: when we went to Australia in eighty two, I think

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Speaker 4: it was, and they were you know, and Shabu Shabar

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Speaker 4: was the album, and I was like, Wow, these guys

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Speaker 4: are amazing. They're like the real thing. And they hadn't

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Speaker 4: broken really outside of Australia at that time, so I

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Speaker 4: became a fan. But they played a much bigger part

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Speaker 4: in our evolution in at the end of eighty three

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Speaker 4: when we'd gone on tour. We'd started a tour in

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Speaker 4: Australia and after the show in Melbourne, we'd gone to

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Speaker 4: this guy, Molly Meldrum. He's this media superstar there. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he'd really played a big part in breaking the band

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Speaker 4: down there. He's interviewed everybody, yeah to go do it right,

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah. I mean he's got signed photos from

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Speaker 4: John and Yoko and he's an amazing guy. Anyway, So

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Speaker 4: we're partying down at Molly's place and he's got a

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Speaker 4: white label of this new in Excess track and we

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Speaker 4: play it and we all thought. We were all like wow,

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Speaker 4: you know, we all were all dancing around. So it

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Speaker 4: played again, played again, and then we look at the

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Speaker 4: Actually it wasn't a it wasn't a white label because

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Speaker 4: there was a label that said produced by Nile Rodgers,

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Speaker 4: and we just finished this third album and and felt

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Speaker 4: there was one there was one song in particular, the Reflex,

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Speaker 4: that we felt like it wasn't quite right. It was

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Speaker 4: like we didn't quite get at the get at it,

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Speaker 4: and you know, and there and then we had this

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Speaker 4: idea to call Nile and have him have him work

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Speaker 4: on the Reflex. We'd met Nile a few years earlier,

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Speaker 4: but at that point we had yet to go into

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Speaker 4: the studio together. So we got him on the phone

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Speaker 4: and we were like, we just love what you've done

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Speaker 4: within excess and you know, and you know, how would

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Speaker 4: you feel about doing something to this particular track.

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Speaker 3: Amazing to think that they'd finished the album and went,

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Speaker 3: well one's not quite right, Yeah that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what a great story that.

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Speaker 3: Was tible and the fact that it's got that moment

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Speaker 3: you can hear how revered Molly is around the world.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, rightly so, Well he broke somebody did so

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Speaker 2: many he did, he made them and sometimes that was

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Speaker 2: the first market.

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Speaker 3: Even so that it was Molly helping Theministratia that kicked

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Speaker 3: so much off, it's hard to get the meaning of

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Speaker 3: songs out of the voice from Derandauran, he's John again

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Speaker 3: and Simon the bond leadsing. Of course, if Duran talking

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Speaker 3: about the meaning behind the reflex.

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Speaker 4: People always ask me what the song's about, And I

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Speaker 4: never tell people what songs are about. Okay, I mean

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Speaker 4: it's a really interesting lyric. Actually, I mean like you

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Speaker 4: wouldn't get you wouldn't hear a lyric like that today.

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Speaker 4: You know. It's like the early eighties was really great

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Speaker 4: for profoundly weird, paranoid pop lyrics.

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Speaker 3: I sold the Renoir. Were they just gibberishly lyrics? So

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Speaker 3: I saw the Renoir and the TV set and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just like using all the words.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thrown in a bag like David Bell used to do.

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Speaker 3: But there is speculation lest that the reflex was about

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Speaker 3: gambling and about the reflex being especially when in a

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Speaker 3: role with gambling and the reflexes.

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Speaker 2: A lonely child is waiting by the part.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Yes, selling the Renoir on the TV set

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Speaker 3: you're probably looking for, yes, exactly. They don't want to

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Speaker 3: be around when this gets out, that's right, And particularly

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Speaker 3: with card players. And there is a story that Simon

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Speaker 3: had some family members including his dad, who were pretty

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Speaker 3: They like to punt so too much, quite possibly, so

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Speaker 3: it could have been about that, and hence Simon saying

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Speaker 3: there he didn't really want to talk about what the

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Speaker 3: song was about, didn't give too much away, but did

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Speaker 3: it really matter? When niall got together with the.

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Speaker 2: Boys, I just love that whole in excess Molly, yeah, fantastic.

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Speaker 3: And he was right. In excess were great from the

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Speaker 3: start before they broke around the world. The story behind

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Speaker 3: the song randa An