1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Now. Yesterday on the show, I had asked the acting 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Police Commissioner about a terrible situation which I'd been alluded 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: to by a few of our listeners. In fact a 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: post on social media by Territory and Heidi Blacker, her 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: husband was attacked by a youth in the CBD in 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: Alice Springs after attempting to help a business with a 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: youth who was attempting to steal products. Now, he was 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: allegedly hit in the head with a scooter, severing an 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: artery and almost bled out. Two weeks out of hospital, 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: and she had said that she had not been contacted 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: by the Northern Territory Police for an update. Now the 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: Commissioner said on the show yesterday that the family has 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: now been contacted. Joining us on the line is the 14 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: member for ra Lewin, Robin Lamley. 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: Good morning, Robin, Good morning Katie. 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: Robin. This situation with Heidi, I understand that you know her. 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: Can you tell us a bit more about what happened? 18 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: Well, I probably don't know much more than what's been 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: put in them. I have been in contact with Heidi 20 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: and Aaron, and these two are just a sensational couple. 21 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 2: They've given their life to Alice Springs. They contribute by volunteering. 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: They are the people that make Alice Springs great. And 23 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: it's just so sad that this has happened to Aaron 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: and Heidi and their family. But I have to say 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: they're in a long queue of people that have been 26 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: victims of crime in Alice Springs over the last five years. 27 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: It's just horrendous to think that where it feels like 28 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: we're back to square one a bit. 29 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, it will. You know, this situation sounds woeful. I 30 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: mean the fact that he's ended up in hospital with 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: a severed artery after this has gone on. I mean, like, 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: it's just a terrible situation to think that a Territorian 33 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: has gone to try and help somebody else and wound 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: up seriously injured. 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: Probably one of the nicest blokes you could meet. And 36 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: I and I just when I heard it the story, 37 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: I have this picture in my mind of Aaron just 38 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: reaching out to be kind and helpful and just being Aaron, 39 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: and this person has come around the back of him 40 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: apparently and bashed him in the head with a scooter. 41 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: And you know, we know the rest of the story 42 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: to some extent, but look, it's horrendous. It's you know, 43 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: this is a family, another family that's going to be 44 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: traumatized probably forever by what's gone on. He has survived, 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: he is okay, but it's it's a real setback. I 46 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: thought I was hoping, and people have been cautiously optimistic 47 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: in Alice Springs that things had been set on a 48 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: different trajectory. But it's just a reminder that we have 49 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: such a long way to go, Katie. We are not 50 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 2: out of the woods. We still have a crime crisis. 51 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: Things got better for a while, but it feels like 52 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: we've phaps back a bit. And there's probably a whole 53 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 2: range of reasons for that. People come in and out 54 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: of prison, troublemakers come in and out of town. You know, 55 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: there's probably a whole set of reasons that for why 56 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: we're seeing this almost like a spiking crime again. But 57 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: it's demoralizing. 58 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I you know it would be, particularly when 59 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: people that you know are being injured in the way 60 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: you know that this gentleman has been Robin from your understanding. 61 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: We did ask the police commissioner about this yesterday because 62 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: from the post that Heidi had put on social media, 63 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: she said that she hadn't been contacted by the Northern 64 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: Territory Police, or that they hadn't been The Commissioner said 65 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: yesterday that they had. I don't want to get into 66 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: a tit for tat, I mean, that's not my aim. However, 67 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: I do feel as though victims of crime, particularly when 68 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: it's something as serious as this, expect that they're going 69 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: to hear from the police and expect that there will be, 70 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, that full and thorough follow up. 71 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: They do, and they should. I think since Heidi's come 72 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: out very publicly, I don't think a lot of people 73 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: knew about it. They knew that someone had been assaulted, 74 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: but they had no idea it was Aaron Blacker, and 75 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: so Heidi coming out publicly really put it out there. 76 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: I mean, they have such a huge network of friends 77 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: and family in Alice Springs, So her coming out and 78 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: complaining saying that she was not happy with the police's response, 79 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 2: I think that has triggered the police into acting appropriately. 80 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: But it also says to me, Katie that the police 81 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: are overwhelmed again. You know that they are struggling to 82 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: keep up with what's going on again. It is not 83 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: like a few months ago they got on top of it, 84 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: and now we're seeing it cycle back down to a 85 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: low where they're struggling again. We know that that's what happens. 86 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: There's campaigns and what do they call it operations that 87 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: heighten police activity and they put all all their resources 88 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: into a period of time, and then obviously people police 89 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: need a break, they need to go on holidays, they 90 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: need to do stuff. There's changes, and then we sort 91 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: of experience this almost like a decline in response because 92 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: of their lack of resourcing or pressure. Look, I'm just 93 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: surmising this. I don't know that. When I heard Heidie's 94 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: complaint about the police, I thought, well, this is just 95 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: an indication of where we are in the cycle and 96 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: the fact that really nothing has changed in that regard. 97 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: They're still struggling to put police into the shifts and 98 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: respond to crime. And that's no different to the way 99 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: it's been forever probably, but particularly over the last five 100 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: years since we've had this heightened crime crisis, and. 101 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: Sort of since from listeners up here in the top end, 102 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: as we've gone through some of the different issues that 103 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: we've seen in recent weeks, you know what we've sort 104 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: of seen, I guess in a few different instances. Is you's, 105 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, engaged allegedly in quite serious, serious crimes and 106 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: in some cases on bail, and so a lot of 107 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: people up here in the top end are sort of 108 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: starting to question, you know, how they can be on 109 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: bail and able to continue to offend. The Northern Territory 110 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: government announcing and saying on this show on numerous occasions 111 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: that they're going to be reviewing and they're in the 112 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: process of reviewing the Youth Justice Act and trying to 113 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: make some changes to avoid this happening. I mean, what 114 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: do you make of that and do you think that 115 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: it will have much of an impact in Alice Springs? 116 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's probably one of the few mechanisms 117 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: they've got is to keep tweaking the legislation and tightening 118 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: things up so we have better laws in place that 119 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: the police can then go on and use to keep 120 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: us all safe. I mean, look, the broader perspective for 121 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 2: me is we've had a change in government where seven 122 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: or eight months down the track, they've done their best 123 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: to demonstrate their commitment to delivering on their promises, which 124 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: is to reduce crime and tighten things up, which they 125 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: did for a while but we know that these things 126 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: are hard to sustain. I think the challenge for them 127 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: now is to put the mechanisms in place to sustain it, 128 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: to keep the pressure on and that can you know, 129 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: as legislators, and that's all we are as members of Parliament, 130 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: changing and strengthening the legislation around these things is one 131 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: of the few mechanisms we have. So they're on track, 132 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: that's exactly what they should be doing. But in the 133 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: meantime it's just it's just agonizing to see things decline again. 134 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: And but you know, as we know with the cycle, 135 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: there'll be operations that come about conducted by the police 136 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: that will see a reduction in crime. We hope and assume, 137 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: because that's what's happened under Labor, that's what's happened will 138 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: happen under the CLP. They're still although they're a different government, 139 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: they're still facing the same problems with the same level 140 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: of resourcing and the same sort of context. Robin, how 141 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: can they do things so dramatically different? It's I don't know, 142 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: that's what they have to come up with. 143 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: Well, and you know, it's a community's expectation, right. People 144 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: want to feel as though they're able to be safe. 145 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: Aaron Blacker does not want to. I'm assuming, you know, 146 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: be in the situation that he in now and he 147 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: and his little family where you go to help and 148 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: you know you're stepping up as a good human and 149 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: winding up then seriously injured like it's We speak about 150 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: these issues way more often than any of us want to. 151 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: Yes, we do. Aaron Blacker is a leader in our 152 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: community of Alice Springs. He is extremely articulate, he's extremely intelligent. 153 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: He's very widely respected across the community, across he's been 154 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: in the construction industry for years. I think we will 155 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: see Aaron Blacker come out of this and provide insight 156 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: and leadership around what he wants and what he thinks 157 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: should happen, and I welcome that if there's any positive 158 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: that will come out of it. I know Aaron well, 159 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: I've known him for a very long time. He is 160 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: a superstar, and I think we will see some positives 161 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: come out of it. But that's not always the case 162 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: case for people who are less articulate and less empowered. 163 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: It can you know, really just destroy live, right. 164 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: That's exactly the right. Well, Robin, please pass on, you 165 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: know our well wishes to him and his family. But 166 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: look before I let you go, I mean we also 167 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: reported last week on this terrible situation where a Danish 168 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: tourist was allegedly assaulted by an offender who was not 169 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: known to her. Now, you know, following on from that, 170 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: we know that there's been some really good moves in 171 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: terms of additional flights going into Alice Springs, for example. 172 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: But you know, I think that our tourism operators have 173 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: got such a big battle on their hands when we 174 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: continue to grapple with these issues of crime all the while, 175 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, trying to get more people to head to 176 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: the Red Center. Even yesterday we had a mum getting 177 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: contact with us. You know, they're heading to Alice Springs 178 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: as part of an event the anti title series for 179 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: motor Cross. Says I understand it, and there, you know, 180 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: like she's worried about her son heading to Alice Springs. 181 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: This is the kind of thing that you guys are 182 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: grappling with now as you try to get the place 183 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: on track. 184 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: Well, that's right, Katie. There's always this tension, always this 185 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 2: tension between tourism operators wanting to talk up the town 186 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: but having to do with the reality that we do 187 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: have a very high level of crime. We always have 188 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: and we in recent years have had a crime crisis. 189 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: So how do you sell tourism when that is the 190 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: reality of living in Alice Springs? Can I say Katie 191 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: that at this time of year, Alice Springs is absolutely magical. 192 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: We've come out of one of the longest, hottest, driest, 193 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: terrible summers, and it's like we've all crept out of 194 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: a hole and we've all got smiles in our faces. 195 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: It's rained, it looks green and lush and beautiful, and 196 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: the temperature is just perfect. So and the parture my 197 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: festival over the weekend was just such a success and 198 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:14,359 Speaker 2: people have had a wonderful weekend despite these terrible incidences. 199 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: But look, it's an ongoing battle for tourism. I don't 200 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: know what the answer is. I'm not going to stop 201 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: talking about crime because I think it's important that we 202 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: have a dialogue about how to combat crime and we 203 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: need to be realistic about the levels of crime. Don't 204 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: shoot the messenger, don't shoot Katie Wolf and any other 205 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 2: journalist that wants to talk about crime, because I think 206 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: it's important we know where it's happening and what is happening. 207 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 2: But I feel for the tourism operators, but that's you know, 208 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: that's one thing that they have to deal with, you know. 209 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: Like but coming to our springs, if you are careful, 210 00:12:54,920 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: if you are very mindful of what could happen, look 211 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 2: after yourself, you look after your belongings. You nine times 212 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: out of ten you'll be okay. It's just I think 213 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 2: a lot of people just push their luck a little 214 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: bit or ignorantly and naively put themselves in a situation. 215 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 2: Walking alone on a street anywhere in Alice Springs obviously, 216 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: is something you've got to be very careful about in 217 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: quiet areas of Jap. Look, it can happen anywhere, and 218 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: if it can happen to Aaron Blacker, honestly, it can 219 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: happen to anyone. But I think if you're just really 220 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: protective of yourself and mindful of your surroundings, nine times 221 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: out of ten you will be okay. 222 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, Robin, really quickly before I let you go. 223 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: I understand that there's been some concerns as well about 224 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: this scam going on with flights into Alice Springs. 225 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: What happened, Well, there was this marvelous deal put on 226 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 2: the table a few weeks ago. I'm pretty sure it 227 00:13:58,480 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 2: was through webjaed. 228 00:13:59,480 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: It was. 229 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: It was heavily discounted flights for people coming into Alice 230 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: Springs from anywhere across the country. And it was reported 231 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: just a few days ago that a local got their 232 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: family onto it and to cut along story short, picked 233 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: up the wrong link and bought tickets and was scammed. 234 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: So you know, another setback for the town that even 235 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: when you are offered discount flights, you have to be 236 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: so extraordinarily careful that you're actually going to the right 237 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: place and spending your money with the right company, otherwise 238 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: you'll end up out of pockets. 239 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of scammers around at the moment. 240 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: I think it's Yeah, it's a good people changing invoices, 241 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: changing websites, all sorts of things and catching you hadn't. 242 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: Heard of it and that I think that's been a 243 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: real blow for tourism Central Australia too. That's something so 244 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: positive and someone has had such a negative experience, so yeah, 245 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: another blow. 246 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: Well, Robin sounds glorious. 247 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: A lovely easter ahead of us. 248 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: We'll have a lovely easter. Robin I always appreciate it. 249 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks so much for joining me, hopefully hopefully. 250 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: Thanks Robin, you too, talk to you bye.