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Speaker 1: the terrible incident that had occurred well outside of her home.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio right now is the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Assistant Commissioner for Police, Travis Worth. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Travis, Morning, Katie, morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time this morning. Now,

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Speaker 1: we spoke to Sonya Wiseman yesterday about the situation that

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Speaker 3: So terrible incident for her, dreadful to be subjected to

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Speaker 3: her aid almost immediately, which is great. The people that

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I do want to just talk about the

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Speaker 1: fact that she'd obviously contacted Triple zero. You said that

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Speaker 1: she was rendered safe by security. I guess a lot

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Speaker 1: of people listening are thinking, well, a woman being attacked

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Speaker 3: Yes, I can give you a bit of an insight

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Speaker 2: Like we warranted triple zero call.

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Speaker 3: When the call was provided, the Triple zero there is

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Speaker 3: This was coded as two. At the same time, we

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Speaker 1: What would be more urgent than a woman being attacked

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Speaker 1: I mean, upon reflection, do you reckon the police should

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Speaker 3: So our challenge is that at a point in time,

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Speaker 3: In gone by, we could watch on across a week.

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Speaker 3: So from last Thursday to now, we've had more than

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Speaker 2: So we're busy, don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 3: And the join US Emergency Service Communication Team do a

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Speaker 1: And that I suppose that can be a bit frightening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, absolutely, and we grapple with this every minute

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Speaker 3: the domestic violence in my life. That is one incident,

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Speaker 3: I really need to highlight it's something that we really

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Speaker 2: That's a thirty. That's a difference of thirty.

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Speaker 3: Now that can be as nasty as the dreadful assault

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Speaker 3: And sometimes that could be a response above someone who

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Like to me, it sounds as though the police

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I just don't know how we sought through this.

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Speaker 1: So this was last night. Is that on top of

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Speaker 3: We're talking about sort of similar cohorts behaving in that

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Speaker 1: All right, So last night there was four more homes

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the Northern Suburbs has been.

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Speaker 1: So it's been the Northern Suburbs has.

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Speaker 3: So this is not me sitting here blaming victims, but unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: Don't leave valuables visible.

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Speaker 1: Where are things at with the investigation with those homes

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Speaker 3: I've actually had contact with the officer in charge of

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Speaker 3: I asked, actually, I should have done that earlier, Katie.

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Speaker 3: Going back to the incident, we talked about it that

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Speaker 3: this was Sunday morning at about twenty past midnight, Please

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Speaker 1: So just on the incident on Sunday morning, firstly with

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, and that's ongoing. So engagement with her is ongoing.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, there was some medical treatment required and our investigations

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Speaker 2: It's well advanced.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, there were security guards involved of all being interviewed.

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Speaker 3: It's canvassing for CCTV, all the things that we would

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Speaker 1: Now, then with the unlawful entries from overnight in the

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Speaker 3: Are they known and all about guys, and all of

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Speaker 1: Are those offenders known to the police.

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Speaker 3: Look, yes, more than likely. But they say that this

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Speaker 3: it's more than just knowing who we think it might be.

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Speaker 3: So we're not we're not in the business of of

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Speaker 2: We're not going to do that.

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Speaker 3: There are lots of crimes that occur, particularly property crimes,

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Speaker 2: And that's the challenge for us.

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Speaker 3: So that's why it might become repetitious for the public.

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Speaker 3: But that's why we call for witnesses because we need

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, we did get a couple of residents from

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Speaker 3: Look, we had between ten and eleven last night there

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Speaker 3: Those individuals are still in custody and being managed accordingly,

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Speaker 1: So it was a random vehicle.

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Speaker 2: So it's.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was wanted an unnecessary damage, but it was

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Speaker 3: related to this ongoing disturbance that was occurring. The genuis

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Speaker 3: the disturbance other than being alcohol fueled, is my advice.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why it was occurring, but it required

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Speaker 1: Assistant Commissioner Travis Wurst. It sounds like our police are

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Speaker 1: incredibly busy at the moment. I know that everybody appreciates

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Speaker 1: You did mention before that there's quite a few people

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Speaker 3: So look, yes, this happens every year, and we've got

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Speaker 2: They work together.

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Speaker 3: On Monday, they developed a plan around returning people to country.

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Speaker 3: We had ninety seven people go back to country the

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Speaker 3: We continue to work with that whole team, that's all

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Speaker 3: to stay. The whole raff of things that sitting behind

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Speaker 1: Well, Assistant Commissioner Travis Worst, appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming in and having a chat

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 2: Pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,