WEBVTT - Your vulva is cliterally the BEST!

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, guys and all, welcome back to another episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Life on Cut. Now. It might be a bit confusing

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<v Speaker 1>to some of you because it's a Wednesday and not

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<v Speaker 1>a Tuesday, but we have a very very very special

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<v Speaker 1>bonus episode for you all today and we are so

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<v Speaker 1>excited to bring you this. But before we get into it,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Laura and I'm Brittany, and god, we do love

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<v Speaker 1>a bonus episode, don't we, Laura, We've been thrown about left,

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<v Speaker 1>right and center lately. But the reason why we're bringing

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<v Speaker 1>you this bonus episode is because a few weeks ago

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<v Speaker 1>now you might remember, before we went on to Break,

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<v Speaker 1>britt and I did an Ask Uncut episode and we

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<v Speaker 1>spoke about a woman who was asking about labiaplasty. After

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<v Speaker 1>that episode, we had hundreds of you message arson slide

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<v Speaker 1>on into our DMS to tell us that we needed

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<v Speaker 1>to interview Ellie from Comfortable in My Skin Now. Ellie

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<v Speaker 1>is a photographer. She is a wonderful, warm woman who

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<v Speaker 1>spends her days photographing volvers. The reason why she photographs

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<v Speaker 1>a whole variety of different women's volvers is because she

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<v Speaker 1>is working to destigmatize conversations around body acceptance. Conversations around

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<v Speaker 1>LaBier acceptance, and also conversations around menstruation and just all

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<v Speaker 1>things that we as women experience but maybe feel too

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<v Speaker 1>self conscious to talk about. Before we do jump into that,

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<v Speaker 1>we do want to just thank our sponsor, which is

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<v Speaker 1>Bond's Bloody Comfy period Undiase. I think it's just the

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<v Speaker 1>absolute perfect time because periods can be uncomfortable. We do

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<v Speaker 1>want to make sure we are at the most comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>that we could possibly be, and Bonds Bloody Comfy Undies

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<v Speaker 1>do that. They're environmentally friendly, they're easy to watch and reuse,

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<v Speaker 1>and they hold up to four tampons worth. As women,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of us use non reusable sanitary items, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be tampons or pads, and the statistics around the

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<v Speaker 1>number of those in landfill every year are just absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>mind blowing. So three hundred million tampons are sold in

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<v Speaker 1>Australia every single year and five hundred million pads are

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<v Speaker 1>sold every single year and every single one of those

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<v Speaker 1>ends up in landfill, which is just crazy. Now, Brett,

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<v Speaker 1>before we get into speaking to Ellie, I have a

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<v Speaker 1>question for you. What is your opinion? And we have Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we speak about so much in this podcast. We have

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<v Speaker 1>shared so much and I actually can't believe that we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't covered this yet. So I'm going to throw you

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<v Speaker 1>straight in. They want to know your personal views on this.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your opinion on sex during your period? We

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<v Speaker 1>actually haven't talked about this, now that you say it,

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<v Speaker 1>my ideas around sex with my period, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>is absolutely fine. I actually and I mean it depends

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<v Speaker 1>what your period is like for yourself. Some people's periods

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<v Speaker 1>are so painful and so heavy that the last thing

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<v Speaker 1>they want to do is have a penis come anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>near them. For me, I love it. You're like, bring

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<v Speaker 1>that penis that made my period. I'm very lucky. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't get it heavy enough to be in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of pain, and I get like one day where I'm

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable and that's it. I've been very lucky with my

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<v Speaker 1>periods in that sense. So I love sex on my period.

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<v Speaker 1>I probably get HORNI or on sex my period, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard a lot of women say that, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's just up to your partner. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>just have to throw it out there and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm horny, you want to do this? And I

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<v Speaker 1>can guarantee ninety nine point nine percent of men are

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<v Speaker 1>probably gonna be like hells, yeah, yeah. I mean I've

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<v Speaker 1>definitely dated some guys who are not into it, who

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<v Speaker 1>aren't interested in having sex during like when I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>my period, when I have my period. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, it almost makes me mad at them, Like

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<v Speaker 1>and I know that that's not fair. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>everybody has a choice and it's completely up to them,

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, I'm like, this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that is so incredibly normal. It happens to me every

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<v Speaker 1>fucking month. Why not. I mean, there's a ways around it,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, Like there's some tips and techniques that you

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<v Speaker 1>could probably implement if you don't want to ruin your sheets.

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<v Speaker 1>If you do the math, I'm just gonna quickly do

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<v Speaker 1>it here right now. If you're doing one week a month,

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<v Speaker 1>so that is three months worth of you not having

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<v Speaker 1>sex or not being able to have sex a year,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is too much. That is too long for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm all for it. I don't think it's a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>but obviously your partner has to be on board. You

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<v Speaker 1>are absolutely robbing yourself if you don't have sex during

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<v Speaker 1>your period. And I know that a lot of girls

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<v Speaker 1>will maybe have sex at the very beginning or at

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<v Speaker 1>the end where their flow is lighter. But for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that that really makes a difference because

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<v Speaker 1>usually if I'm having sex at the end of my period,

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<v Speaker 1>when my flow is lighter, it just brings that bad

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<v Speaker 1>boy back on. I mean, you can also just have

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<v Speaker 1>sex in a shower if you like, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>is great anyway. But the fact of the matter is this,

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is what it is for me, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is for a lot of people because

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<v Speaker 1>we've done the research. It can actually relieve symptoms. It

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<v Speaker 1>can make you feel better, It can help with cramps,

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<v Speaker 1>it can help with headaches, and there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of articles on that. And I personally know that when

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<v Speaker 1>I have had cramps for whatever reason, sex has made

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<v Speaker 1>me feel better. And don't I don't know why. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what kind of witchcraft and wizardary that is,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's what's been happening to me. Don't let anyone

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<v Speaker 1>here think that we don't do our thorough research before

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<v Speaker 1>doing these episodes. But there are actually some differ Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a lot of sex to do this research.

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<v Speaker 1>I put the research in. No worry, Okay, so there

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<v Speaker 1>are actually a few health benefits or benefits of having

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<v Speaker 1>sex during your period, which if your partner or whoever

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<v Speaker 1>you're dating or seeing or whatever doesn't want to have

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<v Speaker 1>sex during your period, you can now whip these out

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<v Speaker 1>and be like I think we should. It's actually better

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Just linked in this episode, having sex in

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<v Speaker 1>your period, it can actually make your period shorter. So

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<v Speaker 1>having sex may make your period shorter because the muscles

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<v Speaker 1>contract during an orgasm and actually pushes out the uterine

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<v Speaker 1>contents faster. Which is kind of the same and this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be a bit too much information for

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<v Speaker 1>some people, but when you breastfeed after having a baby,

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<v Speaker 1>it actually makes your uterus contract and that's what makes

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<v Speaker 1>your uterus gow back down to size faster. So every

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<v Speaker 1>time you breastfeed often you'll have these they're quite painful.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll have these painful contractions that happen at the very

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<v Speaker 1>first couple of weeks after having a baby, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>actually your uterus going back down to the original size.

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<v Speaker 1>It helps to release hormones which contracts your uterus. Now

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<v Speaker 1>a similar things happened during orgasm as well, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why some people can have a little bit of pain

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<v Speaker 1>after having an orgasm in their uterus. So it also

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<v Speaker 1>increases your sex drive. Your libido can change during menstruation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is because of hormone of fluctuations. It's a natural lubricant,

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<v Speaker 1>so like, don't be scared, ladies. And also it can

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<v Speaker 1>help to relieve headaches because of releasing endorphins. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you've been sitting on the fence, you've been scared, or

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<v Speaker 1>you've been embarrassed, gon't give it a crack. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>ever find it embarrassing, brit Like, is that something that

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<v Speaker 1>ever worries you? Or is it just doesn't even come

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<v Speaker 1>onto your radar, not at all. It doesn't. It literally

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't even cross my mind because it's such a natural thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wonder if this is something maybe that has

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<v Speaker 1>come with age, because we didn't speak about it a

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<v Speaker 1>lot when we were younger, these sort of conversations they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't being had, so nobody really went and spoke to

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<v Speaker 1>each other about their periods, and we didn't have other

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<v Speaker 1>women that we look up to that we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they go and have sex on the period,

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<v Speaker 1>or that this has happened, or that they've walked through

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<v Speaker 1>the park and they've had blood on their pants. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>these sorts of conversations weren't being had, and periods were

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<v Speaker 1>essentially tied to embarrassing moments. I just don't feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that's the case anymore. So for me, I'm super open

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I would just be like, I'm on my period.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to have sex? Jordan will be like, yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get yeah. And Matt, Actually though, I think

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<v Speaker 1>when Matt and I first started dating, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that it was something that he not that he cared

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<v Speaker 1>and not that he was like, you know, no, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to do it, but it was definitely not

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<v Speaker 1>I think he would have a little bit more of

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<v Speaker 1>an adversion to it. I think he would be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I prefer not I could wait. But I really hate

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<v Speaker 1>that mentality. And it's not like a pressurey meant having

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<v Speaker 1>sex with me or anything, but like, we have had

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<v Speaker 1>conversations about it, and he has become way more open

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<v Speaker 1>to it and way more understanding. I think that for

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<v Speaker 1>some guys, it is a conversation that hasn't been had

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<v Speaker 1>because maybe they're ex girlfriends or other people that they've

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<v Speaker 1>had sex with in the past have been too scared

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<v Speaker 1>to have that conversation, too embarrassed, and so therefore they

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<v Speaker 1>have this idea that like, oh, I'm not supposed to,

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<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't. Then there's a little bit of fear factor there.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're so right, like having a period is not

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<v Speaker 1>something that you should be embarrassed about having to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>have a conversation about having your periods is not something

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<v Speaker 1>that you should be embarrassed about. So I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that like maybe it's an age thing as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>as you become more comfortable in your own body, that

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<v Speaker 1>having those conversations with your partner may become easier as well.

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<v Speaker 1>If anything, Jordan's probably distoked because he knows I can't

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<v Speaker 1>get pregnant at that time. Hey, so no, that is

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<v Speaker 1>a complete misconception. You clearly didn't do her research. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that it's not your one omulation day,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm confused. Actually, do you know what you can?

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<v Speaker 1>But look, I mean it's meant to be incredibly unlikely

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<v Speaker 1>that you can get pregnant during a period, But I think,

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<v Speaker 1>like with all things, or on the side of caution,

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<v Speaker 1>you also can get pregnant from the pull out method.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you that ladies, gentlemen, and everybody, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>while it's also extremely unlikely, I did do my research

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<v Speaker 1>on this. The simple answer is, yes, you can still

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<v Speaker 1>get pregnant when you have your period. Women are not

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<v Speaker 1>able to conceive whilst they have the period, but sperm

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<v Speaker 1>can survive with this is I'm reading this, guys. Sperm

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<v Speaker 1>can survive within the female reproductive system for up to

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<v Speaker 1>five days, which means that there is a tiny, minuscule

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<v Speaker 1>fraction of a chance that women who do have a

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<v Speaker 1>small chance of becoming pregnant from unprotected sex during this time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would just say, maybe it's not worth risking

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<v Speaker 1>it for the biscuit in this instance, Like if your

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<v Speaker 1>pint has got some sperm, it's like a real hanger

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<v Speaker 1>on her own is sitting in there for like ten days,

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<v Speaker 1>God help him. That's Maths, You're a risk, Matts. This

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<v Speaker 1>is just like gone for goal, hangs around. Mats just

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<v Speaker 1>hangs around for a month. I have been I have

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<v Speaker 1>been pregnant more in our relationship than I have not

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<v Speaker 1>been pregnant. That's literally where I'm at right now. That's

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<v Speaker 1>insane anyway, guys. So we absolutely loved this chat with

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<v Speaker 1>Ellie and thank you to every single person who recommended her,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean, I honestly cannot tell you it was

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds and hundreds of you. This is a conversation all

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<v Speaker 1>around just having more acceptance of your own vulva. And

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<v Speaker 1>when we say vulva, we do actually get Ellie to

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<v Speaker 1>unpack what that means, because I know that there is

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<v Speaker 1>probably going to be some people who probably may have

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<v Speaker 1>not even heard of that term before. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people would refer to it as a vagina. We're calling

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<v Speaker 1>it a vulver because that is what is anatomically correct

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<v Speaker 1>in this conversation. The reason why we wanted to have

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation is because there's still so much stigma around

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<v Speaker 1>what your vulgar should look like or could look like.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that there's a comparison that happens even

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<v Speaker 1>though we probably don't have a very good idea about

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<v Speaker 1>what our friend's vulva looks like or what is normal

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<v Speaker 1>on that spectrum. So I think in order for us

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<v Speaker 1>to be more accepting and to be able to love

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves a little bit more, this conversation is really going

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<v Speaker 1>to help a lot of people. If you've ever thought

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<v Speaker 1>about having Laby aplasty. If you've ever ever had a

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<v Speaker 1>moment where you've thought like, ah, fuck, you know I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like my vagina the way it is, or I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like my vulva the way it is, then this

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<v Speaker 1>is one hundred percent a conversation for you, and I

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<v Speaker 1>really hope that you walk away from it feeling incredibly empowered.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we have the woman from behind the camera and

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<v Speaker 1>the vulver and the creator flipped through my flaps and

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable in my skin. Ellie, Welcome to Life Uncut.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks girls, I'm so happy to be here and be

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<v Speaker 2>a part of your podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an absolute on us.

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<v Speaker 1>We're so so excited to have you. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned this earlier, but when we did an ask

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<v Speaker 1>Guncut section, this is going back quite a few weeks now,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was from somebody who had written in in

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<v Speaker 1>regards to Lavia plasty. And I cannot tell you how

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<v Speaker 1>many of our listeners sent me your Instagram, sent me

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<v Speaker 1>your details and said you have to get Ellie onto

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. So it is truly just like such a

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<v Speaker 1>joy that you have joined us to do this today,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have so many questions for you. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we get into that, We do a section on every

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<v Speaker 1>single podcast episode with every single guest, and it's called

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<v Speaker 1>Accidentally Unfiltered, and that is where you tell us your

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<v Speaker 1>most embarrassing story, and it's very relatable, it's very humanizing,

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<v Speaker 1>and we all laugh at you together with you're at you,

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<v Speaker 1>no with and at it's both with and at Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a story, but I was thinking, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>totally embarrassing for me, but this just happened last night,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty beautiful what actually happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I don't know, I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to tell this story because it's just happened. About two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago, ended up hooking up with an Israelian guy

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<v Speaker 2>and they're so hot.

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<v Speaker 3>They're so hot.

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<v Speaker 2>We decided to meet up again, and so we went

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<v Speaker 2>out to a bar in Byron Bay, and while I

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<v Speaker 2>was there with him and a few other friends, I

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<v Speaker 2>actually met a girl there playing pool and her and

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<v Speaker 2>I hit it off straight away. Then my roommate invited

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<v Speaker 2>both of them back with a few other people. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was just in all sorts because I was like.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, how am I going to do with this?

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<v Speaker 1>What am I going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I connected a lot more with her. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I was kind of on a date with this Israelian guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we get back to our house and she's

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<v Speaker 2>telling me that she had never been with a girl

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<v Speaker 2>before and that she was really nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>And anyway, so we ended up going to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Room and mak him out and kissing, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>said to her, you know what, this is probably not

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<v Speaker 2>the best time for you to have your first experience

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<v Speaker 2>with a girl, because I absolutely wasted and I've Israelian

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<v Speaker 2>guy waiting there for me, so it's a bit sneaky, weird.

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<v Speaker 2>And then anyway, she was super, super embarrassed about the

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<v Speaker 2>whole situation, and I think she maybe felt like I'd

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<v Speaker 2>sent her home, but I was like, no, I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't want your first experience with a girl to be

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<v Speaker 2>like this, That's all it is. And then last night

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting there at dinner at this restaurant and I

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<v Speaker 2>see her walk in with a friend and she sits

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<v Speaker 2>at the table behind me. And as this happened, I

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<v Speaker 2>was showing my friend her Instagram on my page, like oh,

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<v Speaker 2>when she walked in, I was going like, she's so beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were looking at her eyes, zooming in on

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<v Speaker 2>her eyes and anyway, suddenly I'm like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>she's right behind you. She's right behind you.

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<v Speaker 3>She's just walked in.

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<v Speaker 2>And my friend Lulie's going, well, say hi, say hi,

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<v Speaker 2>don't be so awkward, and I was like, okay, just

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<v Speaker 2>give me a minute. I need to calm down because

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<v Speaker 2>I was feeling weird that I was showing her page.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she sits down, and as soon as her

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<v Speaker 2>friend sits down, she goes.

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<v Speaker 3>So friend says to her, so show me this girl

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<v Speaker 3>that you hook up on. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>At this exact same time, Lily still has my phone

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<v Speaker 2>with her profile up. She pulls up, well, actually she

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<v Speaker 2>was taking screen grabs, so she'd screen grabbed from my Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>She was just in her photos, not on my Insta,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's going through all these photos talking about me.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was such a weird situation because this is

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<v Speaker 2>something you do with your girlfriends all the time. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching it happen to me in front of me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I could hear everything she was saying and she

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<v Speaker 2>was zooming in on everything, and I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, it was such a weird, weird experience.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like zooming in on my breast because I

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<v Speaker 2>have really lost tits, and she's going, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, they're just so big.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't know what to do with them and all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff because she's never been with a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what she said, Ellie? Did she say? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what to do with that?

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<v Speaker 3>She zoomed in on my breast. I was in a

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<v Speaker 3>bikini in the date.

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<v Speaker 2>She forest this photo that she'd taken and she's zoomed

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<v Speaker 2>in on my breast and she goes, they're just so big.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't know what to do with them.

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<v Speaker 1>This is outrageous. So hang on, I need to know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened with this girl. You're crushing on her. She's

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<v Speaker 1>a table away crushing on you. Neither of you know

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening. Did you speak to the girl? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>getting married and doing it happily ever after? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like the universe has just thrown you two together.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what That's.

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<v Speaker 2>How I felt. I'm so such a big believer of

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<v Speaker 2>letting the universe. Guy, do you like I have total

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<v Speaker 2>faith that the universe knows.

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<v Speaker 3>What's up for me?

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely do too.

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<v Speaker 2>I was saying, my friend, Okay, I've kind of let

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<v Speaker 2>this go on for too long that now when I

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<v Speaker 2>say something, she's going.

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<v Speaker 3>To be like, why didn't you say high earlier? Because

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<v Speaker 3>I was listening and I was loving it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is the dream, Like you get

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<v Speaker 2>to hear everything that someone has to say about you.

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<v Speaker 1>But imagine if it wasn't good. Imagine if it was

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<v Speaker 1>just like you were listening to someone say something awful.

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<v Speaker 1>How awkward would that be?

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<v Speaker 3>I know?

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<v Speaker 1>Or even like when you use show your friends like

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<v Speaker 1>a photo of guy and you're like, oh, oh, he's

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<v Speaker 1>much better looking than that, that's not his best photo,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're like ten like you're like ten years

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<v Speaker 1>deep in their profile trying to find the best photo

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<v Speaker 1>of them. He's really hot in person. I swear so

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<v Speaker 1>hot in person, and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know where they all are, you know where the best

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<v Speaker 2>photos are on their whole grid.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened, Well, I was quite like you said.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I ended up saying her name and she died.

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<v Speaker 2>She was mortified, She was horrified. She was so embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like fanning her face nonstuff, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>said it's fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I joined her. I said, why don't we all just.

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<v Speaker 2>Join tables like we may as well, this is just

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<v Speaker 2>two walker, we're sitting too close to each other, just

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<v Speaker 2>not join. And then we ended up going out to

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<v Speaker 2>a bar and yeah, we ended up going home together

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we want to hear. Success story. Yes, girl,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't go into too much detail, but yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>was just a very strange experience. And if we ended

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<v Speaker 2>up getting married together, I'm just like so excited that

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<v Speaker 2>that's our love story.

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<v Speaker 1>Ellie, tell us a little bit about who you are

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<v Speaker 1>and how comfortable in my skin started.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I'm an Australian girl.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess my story starts in high school in a

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<v Speaker 2>maths classroom when a boy in my class tapped me

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<v Speaker 2>on the shoulders and he said to me, he gave

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<v Speaker 2>me a note and I opened it and it said

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<v Speaker 2>do you have an Innie or an AUTI?

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<v Speaker 1>And hang on? How old were you?

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<v Speaker 3>I was about fourteen and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Asked you if you had an inny or an OUDI. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, I would have been like, are you

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<v Speaker 1>talking about my belly button or what? Because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>my mind at fourteen would have been, like an Innie,

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<v Speaker 1>drop me to show you.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, That's exactly where my mind went until I was

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<v Speaker 2>like talking with all the boys and they were laughing

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<v Speaker 2>and they were like, no, they called them vaginas back then.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, vaginas can be innies or audi's. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's when I learned that, yes, some inner labia can

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<v Speaker 2>protrude below the outer labia, or you know, I'd learned

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a different all different kinds, according to

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<v Speaker 2>some people, somewhat more beautiful than others, which is just

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<v Speaker 2>absolute bullshit. But anyway, I surfed a lot in high school,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was always really self conscious of my laby

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<v Speaker 2>are showing in my bikini.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like bulge.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had guys say things over the years, like

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<v Speaker 2>one guy said, oh, it always looks like you have

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<v Speaker 2>sand stuck in your bikini, and just all these.

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<v Speaker 3>Really rude comments.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can laugh now because I have done a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, a lot of work, but as a high

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<v Speaker 2>school you know, fifteen sixteen, seventeen year old girl, you

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<v Speaker 2>take things to your heart, and I just built up

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<v Speaker 2>this insane insecurity of my volva. Every time I slept

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<v Speaker 2>with someone, I would cry the next day. And it

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<v Speaker 2>happened all the time, I just couldn't talk to anybody

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<v Speaker 2>else about it, because there's this weird insecurity with talking

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<v Speaker 2>about these parts of your bodies that it's like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>really taboo.

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<v Speaker 1>So why were you if you don't mind me asking

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<v Speaker 1>when you say you cried the next day? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>because you were in yourself thinking about what he would

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<v Speaker 1>be thinking, or would he be talking about you, or

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<v Speaker 1>did he say anything to make you feel uncomfortable, or like,

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<v Speaker 1>where did this sadness come from? The day later?

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<v Speaker 3>It was a few things.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did have some guys say something to me

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<v Speaker 2>after I slept with them, and then that created from

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<v Speaker 2>then on paranoia that the guys would say something to

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<v Speaker 2>their friends. Also, when I was hanging out with all

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<v Speaker 2>the guys I did spend a lot of time with,

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<v Speaker 2>they would often talk about other girls that they had

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<v Speaker 2>slept with in great detail.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where the sadness came from.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't want to be one of

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<v Speaker 2>those girls that they talk about. And it just got

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<v Speaker 2>worse and worse and worse as I got older. And

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<v Speaker 2>then when I went traveling really young, and I came

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<v Speaker 2>back from traveling and I had been sitting in a

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<v Speaker 2>park with my sister and I'd slept with someone and

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<v Speaker 2>I was crying again to my sister and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what if they tell what I look like? And I

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<v Speaker 2>was so upset, and my sister said to me like, Ellie,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, you are in your twenties now, like you

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<v Speaker 2>surely are over this, and I was like I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>I just it still took over my whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's when my sister introduced me to laby

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<v Speaker 2>plasty and was like, maybe this could be really good

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<v Speaker 2>for you. It might help you because she'd seen how

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<v Speaker 2>many years I'd lack traumatized myself for and so she

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I think this could be good for you

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<v Speaker 2>to look into. So that's when I started this journey

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<v Speaker 2>of like looking into labia plasty.

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<v Speaker 1>And how long did you look into that before? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>so we know and you can tell the story. We

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<v Speaker 1>know that you went for your consult and you were

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<v Speaker 1>you know Dad said, on going through with this procedure,

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<v Speaker 1>how long and how in depth did you do your

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<v Speaker 1>research before you went to this doctor?

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<v Speaker 2>The first time, I went quite quickly to a doctor

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<v Speaker 2>in Sydney, And the thing that scares me so much is, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>how quickly they just booked me in. They didn't even

0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:58.760
<v Speaker 2>look at my body. They were just like, it costs

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<v Speaker 2>this much, you can come in straight away. They were

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<v Speaker 2>even because I was so young, helping me try and

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<v Speaker 2>get it on medicare. They were like, oh, if you

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<v Speaker 2>say you have reoccurring thrush or like, they were giving

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<v Speaker 2>me options of ways I could maybe try and get

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<v Speaker 2>it cheaper, but there wasn't really anything for me to

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<v Speaker 2>claim it under medicare. I think if you're in a

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<v Speaker 2>labia protrudes down eight centimeters, I think you can claim

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<v Speaker 2>it back.

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<v Speaker 3>But there was nothing for me. And so then I.

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<v Speaker 2>Had another appointment, and that was maybe a year later.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when I had the money, I was living

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<v Speaker 2>in India, and that's when I went to the doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>like with the money, to the cosmetic surgeon, and I

0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.639
<v Speaker 2>was just like, give me the baby of blasting, but

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't.

0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:44.040
<v Speaker 3>I was calling it the wrong name. This is the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I was so self conscious and awkward and

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't talk properly.

0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.320
<v Speaker 3>And I said to this doctor like I.

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<v Speaker 2>Want liposuction, and I was just pointing down at my legs.

0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.400
<v Speaker 2>So I got myself in a really uncomfortable situation where

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<v Speaker 2>I had this doctor drawing the highlight on my legs

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<v Speaker 2>and I was standing there just being like, what is

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<v Speaker 2>going on?

0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.600
<v Speaker 1>So he was ready to do lifeosuction on your legs?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was like, and then and then he asked

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<v Speaker 2>me to show him my vulva, and I was really

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<v Speaker 2>lucky that he talked me out of getting labiaplasty.

0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:21.919
<v Speaker 3>And he was like, this is just your vulva.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did he say? What was his reaction to

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<v Speaker 1>you asking for that surgery?

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<v Speaker 2>First he said you poor girl, because he could tell

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<v Speaker 2>how uncomfortable I was. And then he ended up saying

0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:37.280
<v Speaker 2>like madam, like this is someone who sees you down here,

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<v Speaker 2>should love you. And he's like, may I recommend that

0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.720
<v Speaker 2>you get a surgery on your chin? Like he told

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<v Speaker 2>me to get a chin extension because he said it

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<v Speaker 2>was the same price and that a lot more people

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<v Speaker 2>are going to see my face and my chin then

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<v Speaker 2>my pussy.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, oh, don't know about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm jas like, my chin's fine.

0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:00.439
<v Speaker 1>You're like, thank you for another insecure that I can

0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:01.840
<v Speaker 1>take it into my other life. That's great.

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, me and my girlfriends we always like tuck

0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:06.600
<v Speaker 2>our chins in and do double chins and send selfies

0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:07.120
<v Speaker 2>all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was like blown away.

0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what that's like my best quality is

0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:11.480
<v Speaker 2>my lack of a jawline.

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:14.479
<v Speaker 3>So then anyway, I ended up.

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<v Speaker 2>He went and got a side mirror and held it

0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 2>next to my face and I put my jawline forward,

0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:22.480
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, having this moment with this surgeon

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.960
<v Speaker 2>how I could extend my jawline. And I was like,

0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:29.200
<v Speaker 2>this is fucking crazy, Like this is insane.

0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 3>Why would I do this?

0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:34.280
<v Speaker 2>And then I started thinking like, well, if I wouldn't

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.480
<v Speaker 2>change my face and people love me for my face,

0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:38.880
<v Speaker 2>and I can love myself for how.

0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:42.080
<v Speaker 3>I am, then why would I change that part of me?

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.199
<v Speaker 2>And he said, the doctor said to me, you know,

0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I think you should go and see what others look

0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:51.879
<v Speaker 2>like before you change yours, because it's just your labor.

0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:55.480
<v Speaker 2>And so I've taken it a whole lot further than

0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:58.640
<v Speaker 2>what he probably ever imagined. But I've photographed a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy that, Like, it blows my mind in the fact

0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.400
<v Speaker 1>that when I was reading about your story, I was like, Wow,

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:08.840
<v Speaker 1>this is so incredible that you a young, impressionable girl

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:11.479
<v Speaker 1>that obviously had low self esteem has gone to a surgeon.

0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:14.639
<v Speaker 1>You're like, take my money, cut my vagina open, do

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:16.400
<v Speaker 1>what you need to do, and he's talked you out

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.159
<v Speaker 1>of it, and I thought, wow, that's really incredible that

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 1>he has done that when he could have just booked

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 1>you in. But then he threw a spanner in the

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 1>works and you're like, but then he tried to change

0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.720
<v Speaker 1>your chin and I was like, well, he's like contradicted himself.

0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's still wanted the money. I mean, he lives

0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:31.159
<v Speaker 2>on he's a cosmetic surgeon. He has to do something.

0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:33.240
<v Speaker 2>But I think I was really lucky that it was

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<v Speaker 2>happened in India and the culture over there is maybe

0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that this is a lot more of

0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:43.680
<v Speaker 2>a sacred part of your body and he I don't know,

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.679
<v Speaker 2>maybe he just thought that it was better I changed

0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 2>my face. I just can't work it out. But I

0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 2>still would have spent the money.

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:52.359
<v Speaker 1>So also I think as well, Like I mean, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of the things that we touched on,

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Like there's such a huge spectrum of what is normal,

0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.600
<v Speaker 1>and we have been kind of conditioned to think that

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:04.640
<v Speaker 1>having an inevolver is more cosmetically pleasing, but that really

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:07.040
<v Speaker 1>equates for what like twenty five percent of the population.

0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, the majority of people don't have that and

0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:12.720
<v Speaker 1>so and I read as well that labia plasti is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the fastest increasing cosmetic surgeries in the country.

0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:18.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, more women are coming forward and asking for

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:21.359
<v Speaker 1>it in the world. Crazy, isn't it? And it's like,

0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>how is it that something that the spectrum of what

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 1>constitutes normally is so varied? But as women when not one,

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:30.679
<v Speaker 1>we don't even really talk to our friends about it.

0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 1>We don't really say, like, what does yours look like?

0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:34.879
<v Speaker 1>What does mine look like? You know, how do you

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.720
<v Speaker 1>know what and where you sit in that and whether

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:39.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like you're wanting to get something changed for a

0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 1>functional reason or whether it's just completely cosmetic purposes. And

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:46.160
<v Speaker 1>we're going to go into a little bit further down

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<v Speaker 1>the track, but I know that there are so many

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 1>complications that can arise that people don't even necessarily know

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to labia plasti as well. But before

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:57.440
<v Speaker 1>we get into that, can you explain to anyone who

0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:01.000
<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily know the terminology or the difference, what is

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.440
<v Speaker 1>the difference between a vagina and a volver.

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:09.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's the vagina is the canal inside of view,

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 2>and then the volver is everything on the outside of

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 2>the body, So like the cletorus, the labia, the vaginal opening.

0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 3>So it's just the names of the body terms.

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Everyone uses the word vagina to describe the volver, which

0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 2>just shows the lack of education on this part of

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:30.160
<v Speaker 2>our body in high schools and in just in general.

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 1>How did you start photographing? Because I feel like this

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:34.879
<v Speaker 1>went from zero to one hundred real.

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:37.480
<v Speaker 3>Quick, real quick, super quick.

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 2>I went onto Facebook and I put up a post

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:43.160
<v Speaker 2>saying I want to photograph.

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 3>I was doing what.

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 2>The doctor said and I should see others. So I said,

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.359
<v Speaker 2>I want to photograph ten and make a coffee table book.

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 3>And I guess I've always been.

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:56.960
<v Speaker 2>A very approachable person, maybe like I'm super open, naturally

0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.639
<v Speaker 2>just kind, and people often do come to me with

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:03.440
<v Speaker 2>pro and so I just got this influx of messages

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 2>being like, I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll do it,

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:10.119
<v Speaker 2>And then I started doing it and I the first

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 2>person I ever photographed was a midwife that I went

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:14.120
<v Speaker 2>to primary school with.

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:15.119
<v Speaker 3>I was so nervous.

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 2>I was photographing her standing up and she was like,

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:19.160
<v Speaker 2>surely you want me laying down with my legs open,

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>And I was like just being instructed by everything that

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 2>she said. Then she taught me all these things that

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know about my own volver because she was

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:29.680
<v Speaker 2>a midwife and she was like.

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 3>My own anatomy.

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 2>She was teaching me different names, like exactly what we

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 2>just talked about. And I just learnt so much from her,

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, Oh, I want to teach the

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 2>next person. I photographed this stuff, and so then it

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 2>just was the next person that came, she had a story.

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 2>The next person that came, she had a story. I

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 2>started learning about vaginismus, I started learning about bacteria vaginisis

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 2>all natural remedies for thrush. It was like every single

0:27:56.560 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 2>person I spoke to, I was just learning, learning, learning, and.

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to share it.

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:05.680
<v Speaker 2>And that's when I started creating the Instagram page because

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 2>I was like, people need to hear these stories, and

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 2>people need to realize that they're not alone.

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:12.680
<v Speaker 3>You know, we're all going through the same thing.

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 2>And two of my best friends had had labiaplasty that

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 2>I went to high school with, and they came forward

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 2>and I had no idea. I was like suddenly realized

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:26.880
<v Speaker 2>that there's this huge shame that comes with labya plasty.

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Like you might go to your friendship circle after getting

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 2>your breast done and be like, look how great they look.

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.920
<v Speaker 3>But if you get lavier PLASTI, it's this big secret

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:36.159
<v Speaker 3>that you don't tell anybody.

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 2>And it's true because I never told anyone except for

0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 2>my sister, and I'm very comfortable socially talking about anything.

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>So then all I wanted was to create a place

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:48.959
<v Speaker 2>where people could come forward and talk about anything and

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 2>nothing was off limits and they could share the I mean,

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 2>I created the herpes support groups and I've got twenty

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 2>six of them now, and it's incredible because it's so common,

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 2>and that's like all these things that we suffer as

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 2>volver owners and we just don't talk about. So it's

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>really just like a place, and that's what a photoshoot

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>is as well. It's a place where someone can come

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 2>forward and feel safe to tell me anything, which is

0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 2>really good for your mental health, getting it off your

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 2>chest and not bottling it up.

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think there is so much shame surrounding this?

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think as women we feel so much

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 1>shame around our volvers and around you know, any sort

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 1>of conversations around what is happening, whether it be through

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 1>about menstruation, whether it be something like bacterial vaginosis, whether

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 1>it be around you know, STIs. We've done a whole

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>episode talking about herpes, and like, there is just so

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 1>much shame around anything that's kind of to do with

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>sexual health and wellness for women. Why do you think

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>that that is so attached to it.

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's because society doesn't let us talk about it.

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 2>And then the only times we do see or hear about,

0:29:56.800 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 2>for example, STIs is in the media and in Hollywood

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 2>when they're making fun of it, or if it's school

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:05.720
<v Speaker 2>we were looking at something, say example, genital herp is,

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 2>they showed you this horrible diagram and it was like,

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>this is for life.

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 3>The school's actually taught us.

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 2>That it was dirty and we got that stigma and

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 2>then so we carried that on through. You know, maybe

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 2>people laugh about it in front of their friends, and

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 2>so then if you do you are suffering from anything

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 2>of the sort, you just keep it quiet. And that's

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the worst thing you can possibly do. And I truly

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 2>believe that talking about anything with your friends kills the stigma,

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 2>and that's why I'm always encouraging people even on my

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 2>platform on Instagram, I'm like comment publicly about whatever you

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 2>want to say, because it's adding to.

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 3>Killing the stigma.

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's highly likely too that the second that you

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 1>finally open up to your friendship circle about a problem

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 1>that you're having, or something you're self conscious about, or

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>something that's on your mind, chances are at least one

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>other person in that group is experience. It's seen the

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 1>exact same thing, but nobody knows because everybody's keeping quiet.

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>But in relation to your friends, Ellie, that you said

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 1>you had two friends came forward that had labiaplasty, did

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>you chat to them and did you find out why

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 1>they had it? Like what was there insecurity? And were

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 1>they happy with the procedure at the end, did they

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 1>regret it? Did they have any complications? Was there anything

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 1>that you can tell us about that?

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're pretty crazy stories. One of them is actually

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>up on my blog on www dot come to themiskin

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 2>dot com dot au and you can see the photos

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 2>of before, during, and after of her labiaplasty and her

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 2>story is written up there. She was the same as me,

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 2>it was going to the beach in her bikini and

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 2>seeing the.

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 3>Bulge that made her go to Labiaplasti.

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.280
<v Speaker 2>She dated and one of my friends and they had

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 2>sex for four years and she never took her underwear off.

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 3>She'd just pull it to the side.

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 2>And wow, Yeah, that's how self conscious she was. And

0:31:56.600 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 2>the second she turned eighteen, her mum wouldn't let her

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 2>have laby plus, even though she asked a lot of times.

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 2>So the second she turned eighteen she went and got

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 2>it done, and my other friend her mother let her

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>get it done when she was about sixteen. Your mom

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 2>has to take you if you're under eighteen. So her

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 2>mom took her and they pulled down the inner Lady

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Labia cut off, but then they didn't sort of trim upwards.

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:27.959
<v Speaker 2>This is the thing, is like to all these doctors

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 2>are just doing it and they're not asking the volve

0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 2>owners exactly what they want and how they want done.

0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 2>And the Volvo is sixteen, so she has no idea

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 2>what she wanted.

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>She probably has never seen any other vagina.

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Either, never and never, And her mum actually said to

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>her when she said I want this, blah blah blah,

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 2>her mom said, I felt self conscious my whole life

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 2>about the way mine looks, so I'm happy to take

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 2>you so you don't spend your life worrying like I did.

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 2>So her mum was coming from a good place, but

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 2>she wasn't happy with what the doctors did, so she

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 2>went back a second time when she was eighteen and

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 2>asked them to continue cutting because it was sort of

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 2>she felt it was like still flapping, and she wasn't

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 2>happy with it.

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 3>So the one that got it done.

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 2>When she was eighteen says that she can't orgasm, and

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't know if it has to do with having

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 2>a surgery. I personally feel like you can get labiaplasty

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 2>and you can still orgasm because I've interviewed people that have,

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>so although it is cutting off a lot of nerve

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 2>endings the surgery, you can still find pleasure from save

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 2>vaginal light penetration, and you know, there's all different ways

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 2>that you can have pleasure. But I think it's her

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 2>mental health. She still hasn't built a great connection with

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 2>her volva, and she still hasn't recovered mentally from the surgery,

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:47.239
<v Speaker 2>so she's you know, you can't orgasm when you are

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 2>feeling self conscious and flight or flight or danger. So

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>she needs to work that out through her mental health.

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, we all know there are a certain

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 1>number of people and I'm off the top of my head,

0:33:57.800 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I can't say statistic, so I'm not going to, but

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 1>there are a certain number of women that will never, unfortunately,

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 1>have an orgasm, and that is regardless of laby plasty,

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:08.880
<v Speaker 1>regardless of anything. There are some women that it's a

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 1>smaller number, but they just will never get there. So

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess we'll never know in her sense. But of

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 1>course it comes with complications, and of course it comes

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 1>with risks like any surgery, but we are encouraging of

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 1>anyone to do what they want with their body with

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 1>for the right reason, under the right research. And I

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.319
<v Speaker 1>think the platform that you've provided is incredible because you've

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 1>just you've given a safe space for women to know,

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 1>like if you had found your own platform when you

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 1>were young, before you went to a surgeon, it would

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 1>have changed your lives.

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:40.839
<v Speaker 2>I pretty much created what I felt I needed when

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I was at my worst stage, and that was always

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the plan. I was like, I don't want younger people

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 2>to go through what I went through, and if I

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 2>had have seen how different.

0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 3>They all were.

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 2>I would never have been so self conscious. And I'm

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 2>not at a war against labiaplasty. I'm just there to

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 2>help people having more educated decision before they go through

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 2>and cut off part of their body. I just want

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:09.359
<v Speaker 2>them to go in knowing what labyplasty is. Because now

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 2>I've done so many interviews with people that feel mutilated.

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 2>I can show you guys some videos of people that

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:18.920
<v Speaker 2>have had the surgery. When Lady was fifty and you

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 2>know she should She's like, she feels that she should

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 2>have known better because she's fifty, But how was she

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.880
<v Speaker 2>supposed to know when there's no resources for us to

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 2>go and find out what normal is.

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I remember when we had this question with ask on

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 1>cut and like we answered this question. I'm not sure

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 1>if you listened to it, Ellie, Like we kind of

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 1>like talked around like what our thoughts were, and then

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:43.920
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't until right at the end where we were

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 1>both like, ah and fuck it, we've got audies as well.

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 1>But it was like it took us so long to

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 1>be okay with even saying that because like exactly this

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 1>whole conversation, which is that there is so much shame

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>around it. Yeah, that like even for us and we

0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 1>have this platform and we're all about being in you said,

0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>when we're all about talking about the full spectrum. We

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 1>even had a moment where we were like, oh, do

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 1>I want to put that out there for you know,

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 1>three hundred thousand people to listen to. I don't know.

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 1>It took me a second to be okay with that,

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and then I realized how crazily hypocritical that is, and

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 1>like the irony of that in and of itself that

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I didn't feel comfortable talking about myself and what I

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 1>look like because I was worried that someone might judge me,

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 1>whereas the whole reason that we've got this platform is

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 1>to try and help to destigmatize it. Like it. It

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 1>made me realize how hypocritical I was being. I guess

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that I really like. So we've

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>talked about all this, the photography that you've been doing,

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 1>and you have photographed how many evolvers have you photographed?

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you know?

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Or it's definitely over three hundred for sure.

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:46.880
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot more Vaina's than in evolvers than I

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:49.279
<v Speaker 1>think the most people will get to see in their

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 1>lifetime unless maybe you're a doctor or re sarchon or

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 1>in the medical industry. You have also photographed volvers at

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 1>all different stages of a woman's cycles. There are photos

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 1>up on Flip three flaps which are of women when

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.680
<v Speaker 1>they're during their menstrual cycle as well. Why was it

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>important to photograph volvers at every stage?

0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, this is a funny question because I want to

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:14.240
<v Speaker 2>be like, it's to normalize all everything that we go through.

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, whether it's bleeding discharge, we all go through it,

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:20.760
<v Speaker 2>and it's again a taboo topic that we can struggle

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.320
<v Speaker 2>with alone. I remember the first time I saw discharge

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:24.320
<v Speaker 2>and I thought I was dying.

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's by discharge, like it's oss how I die.

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:35.879
<v Speaker 2>I want to I really really want younger people. And

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 2>because I'm actually a preschool teacher, so I nanny a

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 2>lot a lot of young volver owners.

0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 3>And actually my project.

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:47.479
<v Speaker 2>Is equally for the boys as well, because I feel

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 2>they play such a big role and they go through

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 2>things themselves anyway. But I just feel like the photos

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:56.839
<v Speaker 2>showing all the different things that we go through is

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 2>a perfect conversation starter. So someone might open it up

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:03.360
<v Speaker 2>and see that the girl is quite Oh well, Evolvo

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.319
<v Speaker 2>owner is you know, got the discharge, so then that

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 2>can start a conversation between them. But I want to

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:12.840
<v Speaker 2>say that this was the reason why I started doing it,

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 2>but it was actually because I was teaching at the

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 2>time and I was struggling to fit in photo shoots

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 2>and people would book in on the day and then

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 2>they would message me and cancel and I would have

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 2>taken a day off work to photograph and they'd be like, Hey,

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm just letting you know I'm bleeding, so I'm going

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 2>to cancel my shoot today. And I was like, no,

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:36.319
<v Speaker 2>you can't, Like you have to come as you are.

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 2>And it was happening quite regularly because people would be like, Oh,

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:41.759
<v Speaker 2>I've got thrush, so I'm going to cancel. I've got

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 2>ingrown hairs, I've got to cancel. And I started just

0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:48.520
<v Speaker 2>being like, this is actually crazy, like how people don't

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 2>want to come when we're always going through something. And

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 2>so then I started getting my friends and I was like,

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:57.760
<v Speaker 2>can I photograph you while you're bleeding with a tampon

0:38:57.840 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 2>string in so that I can put it up and

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 2>then I can say to other look, I've done it already,

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 2>You're not going to be the first.

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:03.399
<v Speaker 3>Just come as you are.

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:06.319
<v Speaker 2>And so it originally was so that people would stop

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:10.280
<v Speaker 2>canceling on me, But then I started realizing how important

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 2>it was to show representations of everything.

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 3>There's like, if you look through there, there's one.

0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Girl or a few actually that have scarring from laser

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 2>hair removal. And so I found that in itself is

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 2>really interesting because we all think we're going to remove

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 2>the hair, and then we end up removing the hair,

0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.839
<v Speaker 2>which you know, could be a fashion that dies out

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:31.880
<v Speaker 2>pretty quickly. We might all want bush again soon, and

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 2>now you've made this decision. But also I had no

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 2>idea that there was a possibility that you could have

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 2>such bad scarring. And I was actually speaking to this

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 2>girl yesterday, even though I photographed her quite a long

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 2>time ago, and she was like, oh my gosh, I

0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:45.800
<v Speaker 2>would kill to have.

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 3>My bush back and not have these scars.

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:52.400
<v Speaker 2>So it's important that we see all the things that

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>other people are going through so we can make decisions

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 2>for ourselves whether we want to get laser, you know,

0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 2>whether the period photos start conversation around the pill and

0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:02.719
<v Speaker 2>what the pill's doing to our body and why it's

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 2>important to bleed and how to build a better connection

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 2>with your cycle. And oh my gosh, I've learned so

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 2>much about my cycle through doing Comfortable in my Skin.

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 2>And when I photograph people that are bleeding, it's just

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 2>a way to lead into a conversation about you know,

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 2>when you should exercise during a cycle, what you should

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 2>eat during a cycle, and.

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:21.840
<v Speaker 3>The medio sis.

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Like, there's so many conversations that need to be started

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 2>and they can all lead from these photos.

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>So out of curiosity, how busy are you photograph involvers?

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Like do people do you have to advertise now? Or

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.560
<v Speaker 1>do people just line up to get this photograph? Well?

0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I actually ended up just getting a PA because my

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Instagram was so active and engaging and I was dying

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 2>in it. I not dying, but I was just drowning

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:54.319
<v Speaker 2>in how many I mean, you guys probably understand you've

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:59.120
<v Speaker 2>got a manager because there's so many people that now

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:02.839
<v Speaker 2>reach out to me. Like sometimes people will ask if

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 2>they can send me a photo of a blister they

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:06.799
<v Speaker 2>have down there because they're like, I think, can you.

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 3>Tell me what this is?

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Like?

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 2>People feel really safe with Comfortable in my Skin, which

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:15.319
<v Speaker 2>I love so much. But I got to a point

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 2>where no, I don't actually at all have to reach out.

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:20.720
<v Speaker 2>I got to a point where people are just dying

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.880
<v Speaker 2>to be photographed, which is so beautiful and I'm absolutely honored.

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I ended up getting a PA. And so

0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 3>we have a weight list which you can join.

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:31.879
<v Speaker 2>Because I travel a lot, well before COVID I did,

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.320
<v Speaker 2>so we have all around Australia, all the different states,

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:36.479
<v Speaker 2>and you can join the weight list.

0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 3>So I do all different kinds of things.

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 2>So if I go to Melbourne, I might advertise for

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Comfortable with my Sexuality workshop, a volver anatomy workshop, a

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:50.000
<v Speaker 2>photo shoot, a group photoshoot, individual photo shoot, so there's

0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 2>all there's a weight list, so you join that and

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 2>then when I come to your town, I can send

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:57.320
<v Speaker 2>you out an email of everything I'm going to do

0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:59.520
<v Speaker 2>for the week that I'm there, and then you can join.

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:02.880
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I am really busy. I just went to Darwin.

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:06.319
<v Speaker 2>I did loads of photo shoots. No matter where I

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 2>go now there's always people, which is incredible. But the

0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 2>thing that I struggle with, which would be great if

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 2>any of your listeners want to be photographed, is cultural diversity.

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:20.399
<v Speaker 2>If you go through browse through my breasts, you can

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 2>see there's a huge lack of cultural diversity, and age

0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 2>diversity and weight diversity. I am seem to be getting

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 2>in a certain type of person, which is absolutely not

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:35.399
<v Speaker 2>my There's no criteria. I let everybody come that wants

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 2>to be photographed to come and be photographed. But I

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:40.239
<v Speaker 2>really am struggling with cultural diversity.

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think that is?

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 2>I guess some cultures maybe this is. You know, even

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:47.920
<v Speaker 2>when I was in New Zealand, I was hoping to

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:51.320
<v Speaker 2>get a lot of Mallori people and there's one woman

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.239
<v Speaker 2>that I photographed she said, it's actually really sacred this

0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 2>part of your body. So maybe a lot of cultures

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 2>don't approve of the work I do. But also I

0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:05.840
<v Speaker 2>think it's just unfortunate that I did do most of

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:09.560
<v Speaker 2>my photos on the Northern Beaches totally where maybe there's

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:11.120
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of cultural diversity.

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean, definitely there's not a lot of culture for diversity.

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 3>But I would.

0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Love to have Indigenous women, Black African volver owners.

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:21.280
<v Speaker 3>I'd love to photograph all kinds of body.

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:26.760
<v Speaker 2>A company for Netflix, they're doing a show on pleasure,

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:28.360
<v Speaker 2>and they reached out to me and said, can you

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 2>send us eight photos and we'd love diversity. And I

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 2>looked through my photos and I actually felt really sad.

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I can't send a representation of everyone

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:42.560
<v Speaker 2>around the world because no one's come forward. So sometimes

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I call out and saying, you know, I'm encouraging it,

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:47.440
<v Speaker 2>but it's really hard for me to I can't push

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.319
<v Speaker 2>for anyone to come and do this, so I just

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:52.520
<v Speaker 2>do the best I can. I just say everyone's welcome.

0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Obviously everyone is anonymous, Is that right, Ellie.

0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:55.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:59.439
<v Speaker 2>I photograph a lot of lawyers, teachers, and they'll say

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 2>to me, don't put me on the Instagram page or

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 2>the website, but I want to be in the book.

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 2>So there's a consent page that I send to people

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:10.160
<v Speaker 2>and they get to choose, like whether they want their

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:13.399
<v Speaker 2>head to be in the photo or they just want

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 2>purely their volver.

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:15.960
<v Speaker 3>And anything is fine.

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:19.160
<v Speaker 2>They also get an option to share their story next

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:21.840
<v Speaker 2>to their volver. So when the Comfortable Masking Coffee Table

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.400
<v Speaker 2>book does come out, there's going to be feature pages,

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:26.880
<v Speaker 2>so someone that has a story that they would like

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to share can go next to their photo, might say

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 2>their age, how many babies they've had, how many sexual

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 2>partners they've had, and that's purely just to show that

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:38.399
<v Speaker 2>your labia doesn't change how many sexual partners you've had,

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:40.799
<v Speaker 2>so get rid of those myths that say, you know,

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 2>you might be loose or tight because of your having

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 2>so much sex. But I try to debunk all those

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 2>myths during this project.

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:49.400
<v Speaker 3>So, but if you don't want.

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Anything to do with that, and you honestly want to

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:54.000
<v Speaker 2>come for when I do a photo shoot, I'm with

0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:57.759
<v Speaker 2>you for four hours usually, and we talk and often

0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 2>the people cry, and I teach them to ways of

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 2>how they can build a better connection with their body

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:06.200
<v Speaker 2>or how they can become more comfortable naked or in

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:06.920
<v Speaker 2>the bedroom.

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:08.680
<v Speaker 3>So sometimes people literally just.

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Want to come for the workshop and they're like, can

0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:11.960
<v Speaker 2>you not do anything with my photos except for.

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Send them to me?

0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, absolutely, there is no pressure for me

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:17.879
<v Speaker 2>to share your photos.

0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 3>It's completely totally fine.

0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 1>But also, I guess, not just if you're someone who's

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:26.200
<v Speaker 1>listening to this wanting to come forward to have a photo,

0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:29.000
<v Speaker 1>to have your photos taken, but just if you've ever

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 1>and I feel like every woman has felt this at

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:34.000
<v Speaker 1>some point, if you've ever felt self conscious about the

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:36.279
<v Speaker 1>way you look, if you've ever been unsure if it's

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>something that you know, you would like to just be

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:42.279
<v Speaker 1>able to feel like there are some reference images, go

0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:44.359
<v Speaker 1>and have a look at flip Through or Flaps, and

0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>it's just I felt like, I'm pretty okay with my

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.240
<v Speaker 1>body and how it is now, and I've had two babies,

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:54.239
<v Speaker 1>and it made me just feel so comfortable, and it

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:57.279
<v Speaker 1>made me feel so supported that there are so many

0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:00.160
<v Speaker 1>other women and that there is so much diversity and

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 1>that everybody is so completely different. And I think that

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who have insecurities will get a

0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:08.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of solace by realizing that there is no normal

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:11.239
<v Speaker 1>in this spectrum. Yeah, I just I think it's really

0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:13.799
<v Speaker 1>really powerful and I really recommend everybody goes and has

0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:14.240
<v Speaker 1>a look.

0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 2>When I started the project, I originally wanted to do

0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 2>it for teenage people to not go through what I

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.399
<v Speaker 2>went through. And I've actually noticed that a lot more

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.759
<v Speaker 2>the age demographic of people that is coming forward is

0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:29.280
<v Speaker 2>mums that have had babies and they're struggling to connect

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 2>with their new Volver. So I encourage mums all the

0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:36.800
<v Speaker 2>time to go and check Outflip through my Flat Totally.

0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 1>It changes so much as well. Like I mean, it's

0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 1>one thing that people I mean, people don't talk about

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:43.879
<v Speaker 1>this stuff enough as it is, but definitely don't talk

0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 1>about it enough after pregnancy. I mean I did a

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:49.359
<v Speaker 1>little bit on the podcast, but like even from when

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 1>you're actually pregnant to after you have babies, like it

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:56.799
<v Speaker 1>changes at every stage along the way, and that can

0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 1>be really isolating because like, at one point you feel

0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 1>like you know your body, and then you also feel

0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:05.280
<v Speaker 1>like you've surrendered everything about your body to create children,

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and that I know, like there's parts of me that

0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 1>feels a bit insecure about that, because I'm like, well,

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 1>two years ago, everything about me was different to how

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:15.680
<v Speaker 1>it is now, and I'm really proud that I have

0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:18.080
<v Speaker 1>my babies, but at the same time, you still can

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:19.839
<v Speaker 1>feel a little bit like like you're not in touch

0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 1>with your body anymore. And I think that it's really

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 1>powerful to know that there's other women who feel exactly

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:26.239
<v Speaker 1>the same and that this isn't You're not isolated, you're

0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:28.719
<v Speaker 1>not on your own. There's every single woman who's had

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:32.840
<v Speaker 1>a baby probably has had these thoughts and feelings. Definitely, definitely,

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.839
<v Speaker 1>And Ellie also photographs breasts as well, so you can

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 1>go on and have a look at the flick through

0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 1>my flaps and there's like every single volver you could

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:44.480
<v Speaker 1>ever imagine. But there's also so many breasts that I love.

0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I love that as well because so many women and

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:49.120
<v Speaker 1>I have friends too that have always talked like, I

0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 1>want to get a boob job. Look at my boobs.

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 1>They're ugly. Look at them, they hang low, look at them.

0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 1>They point it aside, like there's always something. And as

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.080
<v Speaker 1>soon as you go on your site and you're like, well,

0:47:57.200 --> 0:48:00.680
<v Speaker 1>no one is unusual. Everyone is unique their own right

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and everyone everyone on the planet is different. So it's

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:05.440
<v Speaker 1>nothing to feel self conscious about.

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 2>No, And it's funny because the things with the what

0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 2>I've noticed from photographing breaths is I photograph quite a

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:14.879
<v Speaker 2>few people now that are getting there implants taken out.

0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:18.280
<v Speaker 2>And this is the thing that's like our beauty standards

0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:23.560
<v Speaker 2>is always forever changing, so doing these surgeries, like you

0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 2>can get your breast implants taken out, but once you

0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:31.359
<v Speaker 2>cut off your LaBier or your clatoral hood, you can

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 2>never get that back. And I had a girl in

0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 2>hospital message me. She was in Perth and she was

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 2>absolutely distraught. She'd had the surgery and they took off

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:42.480
<v Speaker 2>way too much LaBier. She sent me the images there.

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:47.080
<v Speaker 2>They're just heartbreaking, and they'd cut her raw and she

0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 2>was she was messaging me being like, I've had I'm

0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:52.920
<v Speaker 2>up to my third surgery now to get it glued

0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:57.040
<v Speaker 2>back up, and you know you can't, actually you can't

0:48:57.080 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 2>get that back. Like I said, body standards understands that

0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:03.799
<v Speaker 2>are always changing, so you have no idea what we're

0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:06.239
<v Speaker 2>going to want in the next ten years, and we

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:07.399
<v Speaker 2>might want our lavy you're back.

0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:09.960
<v Speaker 1>But also it's not just beauty standards in this respect.

0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:11.759
<v Speaker 1>The other thing is like it has a function that

0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:14.800
<v Speaker 1>has a purpose, and like female pleasure is so important,

0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 1>and then when you go to the point where you're

0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:19.880
<v Speaker 1>removing so much of your labia that you don't have

0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:22.400
<v Speaker 1>any protection over your glotorus, which we all know is

0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 1>like a really really sensitive area for all women and

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:29.280
<v Speaker 1>it's really fundamental in actually enjoying sex. I just don't

0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 1>think that people necessarily who are opting in to have

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:37.560
<v Speaker 1>labia plasty understand fully or that everybody who goes through

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:41.080
<v Speaker 1>this process understands fully just what the side effects and

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:43.919
<v Speaker 1>what the complications can be, and that you know, yes,

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:48.279
<v Speaker 1>you may have what media and the porn industry and

0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:51.680
<v Speaker 1>men think is that's the perfect looking vagina afterwards, but

0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.840
<v Speaker 1>you may also completely compromise your ability to have pleasurable sex.

0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I know which one I would prefer for sex any

0:49:58.320 --> 0:49:58.920
<v Speaker 1>day of the way.

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:02.759
<v Speaker 2>Me too, Like, fuck, it's funny that you said the

0:50:02.760 --> 0:50:05.840
<v Speaker 2>porn industry then, because I got a message, an Instagram

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:09.719
<v Speaker 2>message from a porn star who I won't say her name,

0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:13.800
<v Speaker 2>but she's a very successful porn star, and she wrote

0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 2>me this really really interesting message saying that she's starting

0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 2>to feel quite upset that a lot of sexologists and people,

0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:25.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's this big movement on Instagram blaming porn

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:28.560
<v Speaker 2>industry for everyone going and getting labya plastic. And she's like,

0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:31.040
<v Speaker 2>go on to any of my videos and look at

0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:33.399
<v Speaker 2>any of my photos and you'll see I have very

0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:36.760
<v Speaker 2>long laber. And she's like, even after looking through flip

0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:38.560
<v Speaker 2>through my flaps, I can say I have very long

0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:42.720
<v Speaker 2>LaBier and she's like, it is so sexy and people

0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:44.200
<v Speaker 2>love to see me having sex.

0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:45.760
<v Speaker 1>So proof is in the pudding.

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:47.480
<v Speaker 3>There is this.

0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Weird stigma that all of this has come from porn industry,

0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:54.040
<v Speaker 2>and I never watched porn, and I felt heavily like

0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:57.160
<v Speaker 2>this obviously, but yeah, it's funny that the porn industry

0:50:57.200 --> 0:50:59.920
<v Speaker 2>is getting such a blame for this whole laby plaster

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:02.799
<v Speaker 2>because I also feel like, if you if us so

0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 2>we wanted to do a porno right now, all oudis

0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:06.640
<v Speaker 2>we could.

0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Easily billow over zoom a zoom porno.

0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, by zoom, we could make a porno. There's so

0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:14.319
<v Speaker 2>much admature porn now.

0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, we were talking about this before we jumped on

0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:17.719
<v Speaker 1>this call, and like, I don't think it is just

0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the porn industry, I think, and I don't know if

0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:22.040
<v Speaker 1>the legislation's changed. We were actually trying to do some

0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:24.120
<v Speaker 1>research into it before we jumped on this Zoom call,

0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:29.200
<v Speaker 1>but we couldn't find the most current details around LaBier censorship.

0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 1>So basically I know that going back in Stort of

0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:35.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen, there was rules around how a vagina in

0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:39.080
<v Speaker 1>a swimsuit could be presented. So with the Laby was showing,

0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:40.479
<v Speaker 1>it had to be photoshopped out.

0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:42.239
<v Speaker 3>It had to be single creasey.

0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it had to be one crease in the photo.

0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:46.480
<v Speaker 1>It couldn't be any more than that, and no bulging,

0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:50.160
<v Speaker 1>no outer Laba, and that was sort of the standardized

0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:54.359
<v Speaker 1>expectation across all media publications. So when you think of like,

0:51:54.680 --> 0:51:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you were doing a swimsuit shoot for

0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:59.279
<v Speaker 1>Cea Foley, for example, if there was more than just

0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the single creep showing that needed to be photoshopped. So

0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:05.759
<v Speaker 1>we have been conditioned our entire I mean I'm thirty five,

0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:11.600
<v Speaker 1>My entire viewing and my entire consumption of media from

0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:14.439
<v Speaker 1>when I was a teenager until recently has been that

0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:17.840
<v Speaker 1>that's what a vagina looks like, not knowing that actually

0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:21.359
<v Speaker 1>a majority of people's vaginas in modern media has been photoshopped,

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:22.920
<v Speaker 1>which I just think is crazy. And I think that

0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:25.240
<v Speaker 1>that is also what's added to this feeling from people

0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:29.600
<v Speaker 1>who may have longer labiers, or have asymmetry, or that

0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:32.400
<v Speaker 1>makes them feel like, oh, I'm not normal because I

0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:35.120
<v Speaker 1>don't look like that girl in the photo. That girl

0:52:35.120 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 1>in the photo doesn't even look like that girl in

0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:37.200
<v Speaker 1>the photo.

0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:40.320
<v Speaker 3>She's photoshopped. It happened to my sister.

0:52:40.480 --> 0:52:43.439
<v Speaker 2>She did an ad and for it was a bikini brand,

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:47.319
<v Speaker 2>a big one, and they photoshopped off her labia. When

0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:50.239
<v Speaker 2>she bought the photos home to me, I was so excited.

0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:52.800
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Oh my gosh, this is so exciting,

0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Like maybe they do that to everybody. I remember being

0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:58.719
<v Speaker 2>like so shook and mind blown, and I was like,

0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:02.240
<v Speaker 2>they've like, we'll have these photos. We laughed so much

0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:04.760
<v Speaker 2>because my sister was never self conscious in a bikini.

0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:07.160
<v Speaker 2>She was always just rocking it. She did surfboat rowing

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<v Speaker 2>and surfing. And yes, they completely made her look like

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<v Speaker 2>she had absolutely no LaBier. And I did do an

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<v Speaker 2>interview with a girl who worked for a magazine company

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<v Speaker 2>and she her job was editing, and she said I

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<v Speaker 2>spent like the past ten years editing off people's lavier.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine if men's dicks got edited out, it would never happen.

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<v Speaker 1>They would never edit a whole penis out of board

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<v Speaker 1>shorts at the beach, So why do you have to

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<v Speaker 1>edit a lavier so like a natural part of women's body.

0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>They put fucking socks down their swimmers to make their

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<v Speaker 1>dicks look bigger, Like that's the crazy thing. If it's

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<v Speaker 1>a jos ad, they will literally put an insert in

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<v Speaker 1>to make it look like they have a more pronounced

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<v Speaker 1>not like a sexually hard on penis, but like they'll

0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:54.000
<v Speaker 1>make it look like it's a nice round package. Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>for a woman, you have to be a perfectly flat

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<v Speaker 1>box with no identifying factors that you have a vagina

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<v Speaker 1>or revolver or anything going on between your legs. You

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<v Speaker 1>got to look Amy do Bobby Yeah, Bobby barbies, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't that's baby. Yeah, it's wild now, Ellie, let me know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, for somebody who has seen so many volvers

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<v Speaker 1>in her time, what do you think women can do

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<v Speaker 1>to be more comfortable, to be more confident, and to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of be able to accept themselves for who they

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<v Speaker 1>are and what they look like.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's really important to reach out for help.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you are struggling a lot, reach out to honestly,

0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:33.480
<v Speaker 2>go and see a psychiatrist, go and see a sexologist.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk to your sisters, your.

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<v Speaker 2>Friends, your mom's, your dad's, talk to everyone you can, because,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, people are definitely going through the.

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<v Speaker 3>Same thing and you're not alone.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you realize you're not alone and you have

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<v Speaker 2>people to talk about anything that you're suffering from, it

0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:54.520
<v Speaker 2>makes you realize that we are all different. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a big advocate for positive affirmations, mirror work actually being

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<v Speaker 2>normalizing nudity going to neud events, go swim naked at

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<v Speaker 2>the beach, you know, just embracing the body that you

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<v Speaker 2>have and surrounding yourself with positivity towards nudity and pleasure,

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<v Speaker 2>and honestly, reach out to me, because I do do

0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:20.200
<v Speaker 2>phone calls with people, and I have so many groups.

0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:23.600
<v Speaker 2>I have groups for like people self conscious of their labia,

0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:25.440
<v Speaker 2>people self conscious of their breast.

0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:26.480
<v Speaker 3>I have a group for.

0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:30.520
<v Speaker 2>People with any inverted nipples like on my Instagram page.

0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:32.480
<v Speaker 3>I have literally got a group for anything.

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<v Speaker 2>So reach out to me with whatever you're feeling self

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<v Speaker 2>conscious with and I can help you.

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<v Speaker 1>You just mentioned something then which I would love for

0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:41.520
<v Speaker 1>you to explain a little bit more. What is mirror work?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I do mirror work every single day. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's when you look in the mirror. It's looking at

0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:51.759
<v Speaker 2>your body with appreciation and talking to yourself like you

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<v Speaker 2>would talk to your best friends. So every single time

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I apply moisturizer, I do it really slowly, and I

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<v Speaker 2>watch myself do it in the mirror.

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<v Speaker 3>I just instead of.

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<v Speaker 2>Being negative, being like oh, I've got like moles there

0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:06.960
<v Speaker 2>or whatever you would naturally think, you give love to

0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:09.120
<v Speaker 2>that part of your body and the language that you

0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:10.320
<v Speaker 2>use is so important.

0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:13.040
<v Speaker 3>So I might, like, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Brush my hair and I'll do it really slowly, and

0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:19.680
<v Speaker 2>I'll brush every single little bit and I'll think like, oh, it.

0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:21.120
<v Speaker 3>Feels so nice to touch my hair.

0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:23.360
<v Speaker 2>My head's feeling really soft today, or as if I

0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:25.160
<v Speaker 2>was brushing a friend's hair, and what I would say

0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:27.759
<v Speaker 2>to them, you just do it to yourself, and it's

0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:30.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of like it's just giving yourself love. And I

0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:33.399
<v Speaker 2>had this really really really beautiful moment. I was living

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<v Speaker 2>in Tamarama on the beach not long ago, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was looking in the reflection at myself and I started

0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:43.000
<v Speaker 2>dancing just.

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<v Speaker 1>Where they could, just lifeguards can looking back at you.

0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well it was nighttime. It was nighttime, and so

0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:49.920
<v Speaker 3>I was watching my.

0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Reflection and I started dancing like really slowly and just

0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:58.279
<v Speaker 2>really gently touching my body and watching myself do it.

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.600
<v Speaker 3>And it's funny because I used to teach.

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<v Speaker 2>Mirror work in photo shoots, and I feel like I

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:08.760
<v Speaker 2>hadn't got to the point yet where I was doing

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<v Speaker 2>it naturally. I was sort of like, like I said,

0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:15.000
<v Speaker 2>fake it to make it, like forcing myself to do

0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:17.960
<v Speaker 2>this kind of work and then I just had this

0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:21.160
<v Speaker 2>incredible night where I just did it naturally and I

0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:24.400
<v Speaker 2>was watching myself and I was turning myself on and

0:57:24.560 --> 0:57:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I ended up having pretty much the best orgather I've

0:57:26.640 --> 0:57:27.160
<v Speaker 2>ever had in.

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<v Speaker 3>My whole life. But it was well, yes, it was

0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:32.000
<v Speaker 3>like I.

0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Have gotten to such a good place in my body

0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:40.080
<v Speaker 2>and my relationship with my body because I have done insane.

0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:40.400
<v Speaker 3>Amounts of work.

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<v Speaker 2>So I tell people all the time, I'm like, you

0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:44.960
<v Speaker 2>have to actually do the work on yourself. You're not

0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:47.200
<v Speaker 2>just gonna like one day wake up and be like,

0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:49.720
<v Speaker 2>oh I fucking love my body. You have to spend

0:57:49.760 --> 0:57:56.440
<v Speaker 2>time doing these things and eat healthy, masturbate, meditate, you know, exercise,

0:57:56.600 --> 0:58:01.760
<v Speaker 2>All these things go towards this self care that everyone

0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:05.480
<v Speaker 2>needs for themselves. Allow the time to love yourself and

0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:07.880
<v Speaker 2>put the work in, and that's how you get the results.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I've got to go look in the mirror. Yes,

0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:13.480
<v Speaker 1>if you're currently in lockdown, I want meditate and masturbate

0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:15.840
<v Speaker 1>to be on new mail trop Yes, I think it is.

0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I think that's literally what everyone's doing.

0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:21.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a gift to get a dildo or

0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:23.720
<v Speaker 2>a wand or a sex toy and to experiment with

0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:26.560
<v Speaker 2>yourself so that you can learn what you want, and

0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:28.520
<v Speaker 2>then you can teach the people that you're sleeping with

0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:29.560
<v Speaker 2>so you're having good sex.

0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:31.360
<v Speaker 3>It's so important.

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<v Speaker 1>Also a gift to your fellow woman, because that guy's

0:58:33.960 --> 0:58:35.760
<v Speaker 1>going to be better off, like you've just set him

0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:37.360
<v Speaker 1>off into the world better than he came to you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the goal for everyone, right Go forth now and

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<v Speaker 1>do better for all the other women out there. Ellie,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for coming and being a part

0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:48.240
<v Speaker 1>of the podcast. Thank you for sharing all the work

0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:50.280
<v Speaker 1>that you're doing. Guys. If you haven't heard a flip

0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:53.360
<v Speaker 1>through my flaps, if you haven't seen Comfortably in my Skin,

0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:56.400
<v Speaker 1>go and check Ellie out on Instagram. Ellie, can you

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<v Speaker 1>let us know? So it's at comfortably in my skin?

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<v Speaker 2>It's comfortable in my skin with an underscore at the end.

0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:06.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm shadow band because of the content I put up.

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram hates me, so you have to type in the

0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:09.760
<v Speaker 2>whole word or else you can't find me.

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram hates volvers, so you need to go and find her.

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<v Speaker 1>Dig deep, guys, keep fighting the good fight. Ellie, thank

0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:18.440
<v Speaker 1>you so much for joining us on Life on Cut. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we loved you. Everyone, go and check out her page

0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and anybody if you are feeling self conscious, if you

0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:26.360
<v Speaker 1>have had those questions which so many of us women do,

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:29.480
<v Speaker 1>please reach out to Ellie or jump on to Comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>in my Skin. Thanks girls, Well that is it from us. Guys.

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