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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 2: Now, once you realize that you're not getting it right

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Speaker 2: the discipline and the child wearing thing, you discover that

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Speaker 2: it's not about the kids, it's about you.

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom

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Speaker 2: Well, what a week. It's been Father's Day happening this Sunday,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know what's coming up in today's podcast, Kylie,

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Speaker 2: you've got that all covered. But we've talked to your dad,

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Speaker 2: We've talked to my dad, we've talked to Alli've got

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Speaker 2: a mentor and father figured to me. And today so

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Speaker 2: by the way, I'm justin Doc Justin Coilson, dad to

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Speaker 2: Here with Kylie, my wife and one of those girls

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Speaker 2: and podcast co hosts. What are we doing today? What

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Speaker 3: You know, it's really hard to surprise you. You just seem

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Speaker 2: I know something's going on today.

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Speaker 3: But Mother's Day it was such a beautiful experience for me.

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Speaker 3: You interviewed our girls and they just said some beautiful

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Speaker 2: I figured that's what you were asking me. Why you

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Speaker 3: I'm just hoping I pushed the right buttons and by

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Speaker 3: and ask them a few questions about you. What does

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Speaker 4: You got to love the hills, You got a love

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Speaker 3: What's the thing that you love most about Dad?

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Speaker 1: Easily like his really resilience and the way that he

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Speaker 5: I really like the way that he treats you, and

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Speaker 4: I love how Dad is constantly trying to push me

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Speaker 1: Way he's and he puts on his direct deodoran.

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Speaker 6: One of the things I love most about dat is

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Speaker 1: One of the things. That is probably my favorite is

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Speaker 1: he constantly pushes me to have a positive attitude, and

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Speaker 3: How would you describe him to someone who's never met him.

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Speaker 3: He's not as scary as all my friends seemed to say,

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Speaker 4: He's somebody who always strives to do better than his best.

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Speaker 1: I would describe my dad as a hard worker. When

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Speaker 5: I'd remind them that he thinks he's a bit funny,

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Speaker 6: I want to be all serious and I'm Ella's dad,

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Speaker 5: He just thinks he's funny.

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Speaker 2: My dad is.

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Speaker 6: A very hard working man.

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Speaker 5: He always gives.

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Speaker 1: He lets me listen to my music in the car,

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Speaker 4: He's constantly trying to make time for us.

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Speaker 6: I actually think that Dad and I always always had

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Speaker 1: He shows it every day, even when he gets mad

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Speaker 5: He's normal first person that I like to talk to,

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Speaker 3: When was the last time your dad made you laugh?

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Speaker 4: It was this afternoon, just today.

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Speaker 1: Today we were singing the roll call from the office.

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Speaker 4: My name is Daddy. Yeah, I'm very strong. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When I thought, yeah, what's the ending, it really pomps.

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Speaker 3: Tell me about your favorite daddy daughter time together.

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Speaker 4: When we were kids, Dad used to play music and

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Speaker 6: Ever since I was a little girl. There's this one

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Speaker 2: What makes you proud of Dad.

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Speaker 6: The way that he knows how to best help people

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Speaker 6: as a result. Dad knows what he wants, and he

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Speaker 1: I'm proud that he spends so much time doing work,

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Speaker 2: My Dad's a hero to me.

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Speaker 4: Happy Father's Day. I love your Dad.

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Speaker 6: I love your dad, but I'm never watching the footage

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Speaker 1: Happy Father's Day, Dad, Happy Father's Day. I love you

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Speaker 1: because you're always there for me.

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Speaker 4: Happy Father's Day, Dad, I love you.

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Speaker 5: Happy Father's Day. I love you. I think that you're

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Speaker 5: the best.

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Speaker 2: My Dad's a hero to me.

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Speaker 3: Up next, we're going to hear your reflections on being

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Speaker 3: It's the Happy Families podcast, the podcast for the time

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Speaker 3: It's Father's Day and the kids have obviously shared their

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Speaker 3: thoughts and now I'm interested to hear what your thoughts are.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's dive into it. I've tried to do what

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Speaker 2: about what it is to be a father. A lot

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Speaker 2: of people talk about how becoming a father changed them.

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Speaker 2: They talk about that moment where they held their baby

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Speaker 2: I was weeping for my wife, Kylie, as she labored

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Speaker 2: The way we would play games on the floor. When

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Speaker 2: to repeat it again and again and again. Something was happening.

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Speaker 2: I was learning to love this little girl in new

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Speaker 2: it many times before. My book Twenty one Days to

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Speaker 2: That's when fatherhood started to change me. It's been close

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Speaker 2: living testimony to it. Parenting isn't about the kids. The

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Speaker 2: a dad, but they're probably relevant to both parents. First,

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Speaker 2: I miss holding their hands as they enter school for

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Speaker 3: We hope you've enjoyed today's podcast, Happy Father's Day for Sunday.

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