Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast it's not afraid to say
Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy, Kate and
Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have
Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers
Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women.
Speaker 2: That is so fat.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Happy Monday, and welcome back to Outspoken. Now
Speaker 1: it's just Sophie and Kate here today because Amy and
Speaker 1: Daye are actually in Mount Gambia celebrating their anniversary. Very
Speaker 1: romantic getaway. I wouldn't put Mount Gambia on the top
Speaker 1: of my list, you know, Paris, but they are going
Speaker 1: scuba diving there. I think that's why they've chosen the destination.
Speaker 1: It did make me laugh because growing up, Sophie and
Speaker 1: I in particular hate dunking our heads in the pool.
Speaker 2: It's a mixture of.
Speaker 1: Not wanting to look gross and get water in my eyes,
Speaker 1: but then also Sophie pea's in the pool. So I
Speaker 1: have been known to piss in the ball as an adult.
Speaker 1: I feel like now I'm in my thirties, I don't
Speaker 1: piss in the pool anymore. But yeah, it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've evolved. So we're not talking about pissing in the
Speaker 1: pool today as part of our general chat, we're actually
Speaker 1: going to be talking about bedtime routines and sleeping positions.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like we're about to talk about children,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about ourselves. And it really surprised me, Kate,
Speaker 1: because we were chatting to our best friend on the
Speaker 1: weekend and you revealed to all of us that you
Speaker 1: and Reese fall asleep hugging one another. See, I've got
Speaker 1: to clear that up because I actually don't fall asleep
Speaker 1: in this position. I just like being hugged. Reese will
Speaker 1: fall asleep and then after a while I'll get too hot,
Speaker 1: so I'll kind of push away and get sleep sort
Speaker 1: of on my side. What about you, because you said
Speaker 1: that Archie has changed everything for you and Brandon. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we used to have, like when we first started going out,
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of a cuddle and then
Speaker 1: they'd be sort of rolling to your separate sides. But
Speaker 1: we don't really even get that cuddle in anymore because
Speaker 1: our dog, Archie, he whimpers whenever we show one another
Speaker 1: any sort of affection in front of him, and he
Speaker 1: literally sleeps right in the middle of our bed, so
Speaker 1: we can't even really touch one another. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: getting quite crowded. I think we'll need to get at
Speaker 1: the king sized bed soon. The other thing is, I'm
Speaker 1: in a really bad habit at the moment. So I'll
Speaker 1: say good night to Brandon, he'll roll over go to sleep,
Speaker 1: and I will stay on my phone for probably an
Speaker 1: hour to two hours later, scrolling and looking at wedding venues.
Speaker 1: And I'm just in a really bad pattern at the
Speaker 1: moment that I just can't seem to break. And to
Speaker 1: make it worse, since we've all gone back to work,
Speaker 1: Brandon is now listening to rain music that relaxes him.
Speaker 1: And this is needing, and this is making me need
Speaker 1: to go to the toilet constantly. Well, I mean, and
Speaker 1: for anyone again who knows us, we always need to
Speaker 1: go to the toilet all the time, So I feel
Speaker 1: like that is a big issue if that's making you
Speaker 1: need to go more than usual. I'm just so intrigued
Speaker 1: to hear how people sleep, because our best friend was
Speaker 1: saying that her partner will go to bed before for
Speaker 1: her and she will get into bed and she has
Speaker 1: to watch some sort of television or one of her
Speaker 1: favorite shows before going to sleep, so she will sleep
Speaker 1: with her legs on his stomach. And I was trying
Speaker 1: to work that out in my head. I don't actually
Speaker 1: still know the logistics of that. I kind of nodded along,
Speaker 1: acting like I knew what the hell that meant, but
Speaker 1: I really didn't. So when we probably need to chat
Speaker 1: after this, I would love tonight we'll put a thread
Speaker 1: in our Facebook community. How do you fall asleep next
Speaker 1: to your partner? What sort of position do you get in?
Speaker 1: Do you go to bed at the same time. I'm
Speaker 1: really intrigued by this sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're in bed, she's over on your side cuddling.
Speaker 3: Now you wait for her to drift off, and then
Speaker 3: you hug her and roll her over to her side
Speaker 3: of the bay, and then you roll away, hug for her.
Speaker 1: Role for you. Ja Dae Tunci has been slammed for
Speaker 1: calling out a tourism business for refusing to give her
Speaker 1: a refund for her postponed honeymoon. The influencer has been
Speaker 1: accused of trying to bully the small business into submission. Kate,
Speaker 1: what happened so back in August last year, jar Day
Speaker 1: says she tried to cancel her Hunter Valley honeymoon after
Speaker 1: making the decision to postpone her wedding due to COVID,
Speaker 1: so she and her partner at Lockie had put down
Speaker 1: a two thousand dollars deposit with premium holiday rental company
Speaker 1: Weekender Now. On Tuesday, jar Day shared a story asking
Speaker 1: her followers if they knew anyone at Quantus. She complained
Speaker 1: that she had spent four hours on hold during the
Speaker 1: week trying to cancel flights. Then on Thursday, she posted
Speaker 1: a selfie looking pretty glum, and in the caption she
Speaker 1: tagged the weekend to Holiday Company and put them on blast.
Speaker 1: She explained that eight months earlier she had requested a
Speaker 1: refund due to the pandemic, but apparently the best the
Speaker 1: company could do was put the room back up online
Speaker 1: to be booked by someone else. She then said she'd
Speaker 1: reached out six weeks out from the booking and they've
Speaker 1: refused to give her a refund. She wrote, They've had
Speaker 1: months to refund us for a booking we don't need.
Speaker 1: They're taking our money just because they can. It's just
Speaker 1: incredibly poor form and so disappointing that businesses are taking
Speaker 1: advantage of people in the middle of a pandemic. She
Speaker 1: then posted a photo of her rolling her eyes with
Speaker 1: the caption not your following them. Later on, she then
Speaker 1: posted a photo of her smiling with the caption they've
Speaker 1: agreed to refund us for our stay. Thank you guys
Speaker 1: for your help. She then added a love heart emoji now,
Speaker 1: much to everyone's delight. Celeb Spellcheck then popped out of hibernation,
Speaker 1: sharing a screenshot of jar Day's story with the caption
Speaker 1: congratulations on not reading the terms and conditions, then using
Speaker 1: your following to bully a small business into giving you
Speaker 1: a refund with the clapping hands emoji now. Jar Day
Speaker 1: ended up deleting the original stories, but hit back, sharing
Speaker 1: the following statement on her Instagram story. She wrote, I
Speaker 1: am every bit entitled to request a refund from a
Speaker 1: business that's charging me to two thousand dollars for accommodation.
Speaker 1: I don't need I gave them eight months notice. Eight months.
Speaker 1: Lots of people have had to reschedule their wedding since
Speaker 1: the middle of the pandemic, and of rightfully received refunds.
Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with supporting small businesses. If
Speaker 1: you guys want to go around throwing two k at
Speaker 1: businesses for services you don't need and won't use, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see all of your receipts. They're
Speaker 1: not a charity, though, so I'm not doing that. Stay safe, y'all,
Speaker 1: it's wild out there. She then continued by saying, I'm
Speaker 1: so incredibly sick and tired of this foul page encouraging
Speaker 1: bullying and harassment towards influences just because they can. We
Speaker 1: are human beings. I emailed the business on multiple occasions
Speaker 1: trying to sort the refund out, and unfortunately posting about
Speaker 1: it was the last resort. If you guys want to
Speaker 1: bully influencers because you hate them, sweet, but don't act
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't all sit at home and try to
Speaker 1: get a refund yourself. I don't think one of you commenting,
Speaker 1: dming and harassing me would sit there and willingly give
Speaker 1: up thousands of dollars for a service you didn't need,
Speaker 1: especially after giving the business eight months notice to refund
Speaker 1: you ridiculous now. Jade also posted a story which has
Speaker 1: since been deleted, where she said that it had worked
Speaker 1: out great for the business and they'd gotten a lot
Speaker 1: of exposure. So for those interested, the Weekender Instagram started
Speaker 1: out with around one thousand, seven hundred followers and now
Speaker 1: has over seven thousand followers. They've also been flooded with
Speaker 1: messages of support. I feel like this original follower account
Speaker 1: puts things into perspective because I think people feel very
Speaker 1: differently when an influencer calls out a large corporation like
Speaker 1: Quantas as opposed to this small business that has clearly
Speaker 1: struggled during the pandemic. I mean, we've had so many
Speaker 1: tourism companies close over the last two years. I feel
Speaker 1: like it was very tone deaf to do. So. It
Speaker 1: was really interesting because I noticed that Clementine Ford left
Speaker 1: a comment on celebs Spellcheck's post. She wrote, I don't
Speaker 1: understand how someone with four hundred and eighty six thousand
Speaker 1: followers so regularly has as little as thirty comments on
Speaker 1: her post. Clementine's comment I got one four hundred and
Speaker 1: four likes, and I really think that speaks volumes. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people in our Facebook community are
Speaker 1: really confused by jar Day's following and how she manages
Speaker 1: to partner with brands like Dior and Gucci all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I find the whole thing very confusing because it's quite
Speaker 1: clear that Jarda is completely out of touch and really
Speaker 1: not reading the tone of twenty twenty two or the
Speaker 1: past couple of years, because she does post things that
Speaker 1: are very inappropriate, and she also posts things a lot
Speaker 1: of the time with this smug sort of grin and
Speaker 1: this sort of attitude that really rubs people up the
Speaker 1: wrong way. And I have to say, of course, I
Speaker 1: have sympathy for anyone who is planning a wedding during
Speaker 1: the moment during a pandemic. It can be incredibly stressful
Speaker 1: and obviously frustrating when you feel like you're not getting
Speaker 1: the right sort of response back from a business. And yeah,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, to most people, two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars is a lot of money to be on
Speaker 1: the line, so I totally understand her frustration in wanting
Speaker 1: to get an answer. However, I think that she hasn't
Speaker 1: taken any of her privilege into consideration here. She is
Speaker 1: a well paid influencer who often gets given free holidays
Speaker 1: and free accommodation. I don't think too many people are
Speaker 1: going to have sympathy for her blasting this small business online,
Speaker 1: even if perhaps they were in the wrong for not
Speaker 1: getting back to her. Well. I think it's hard to
Speaker 1: see an influencer like jarde who posts so regularly about
Speaker 1: having luxury, high end new items, complaining about a two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars deposit, particularly when you consider how much she
Speaker 1: would earn from one Instagram post and the fact that
Speaker 1: she knows how much companies will pay her to promote
Speaker 1: their brand on her platform means that she completely understands
Speaker 1: how damaging a negative post can be about a company.
Speaker 1: And I really feel like it was a case of
Speaker 1: punching down and then to say, oh, well, it's all
Speaker 1: worked out well for them. I'm sorry. The only reason
Speaker 1: they've got gay more followers is because everyone is so
Speaker 1: outraged how disgusting your initial post was and how out
Speaker 1: of it was that they feel incredibly sorry for this
Speaker 1: small business. Now. I am really confused because Jarda said
Speaker 1: that she booked the holiday in August twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: which is more than a year into the pandemic, and
Speaker 1: by then we've all become aware of the importance of
Speaker 1: reading the terms and conditions and also cancellation policies, particularly
Speaker 1: when it comes to wedding planning. Yeah, and from what
Speaker 1: Jarda said, it appears the company refused to give her
Speaker 1: a refund back in August twenty twenty one. Anyway, they
Speaker 1: gave her the option that they could put the room
Speaker 1: up to see if it got rebooked. It doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like they actually agreed to give her a refund. And
Speaker 1: for someone who is currently organizing a wedding, vendors and
Speaker 1: tourism companies are really upfront at the moment with their
Speaker 1: COVID policies and a lot of them are working special
Speaker 1: COVID policies into it. So pre pandemic, if you had
Speaker 1: booked a wedding, vendors were a little bit more flexible
Speaker 1: with changing your date. However, due to COVID, they've lost
Speaker 1: so much money, they've been losing deposits, they've been losing
Speaker 1: revenue that they actually now will take your deposit if
Speaker 1: they have to move the date because of COVID. And
Speaker 1: while of course is really hard on the people planning
Speaker 1: a wedding, it's something that we just need to accept
Speaker 1: because otherwise there's a lot of companies that are going
Speaker 1: to go under there's so many tourism and wedding companies
Speaker 1: out there that literally cannot afford to change the date
Speaker 1: of something like this. Yeah, definitely. And I think that
Speaker 1: the real kicker is always the smug post afterwards, where
Speaker 1: she's telling her followers that she's somehow won from the situation.
Speaker 1: It just seems to be the same expression, and it
Speaker 1: really gets under a lot of people's skin. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: the fact that it seemed like a calculated decision because
Speaker 1: after she got what she wanted and she got the refund,
Speaker 1: she then puts up a post to thank her followers,
Speaker 1: and I just think, well, you clearly knew what you
Speaker 1: were doing. You knew that this would damage the brand.
Speaker 1: It's very reminiscent of when Sarah's Day called out that
Speaker 1: small brand Sabian Soul. I just think the whole thing
Speaker 1: came across as very entitled, particularly when the influencer industry
Speaker 1: hasn't been affected at all with the pandemic. If anything,
Speaker 1: it seems to have been bolstered. And for someone who
Speaker 1: is a professional inla it seems bizarre to me that
Speaker 1: jar Day, who earns money from her platform, would then
Speaker 1: use it to air personal complaints against companies. It just
Speaker 1: seems really unprofessional. It's actually interesting if you take a
Speaker 1: look back at the start of the pandemic, because jar
Speaker 1: Day was criticized for revealing that she had cut ties
Speaker 1: with a number of companies and sponsors that she'd worked
Speaker 1: with when she refused to reduce her fees during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: And I just think it's coming across as really tone deaf,
Speaker 1: and it just must be really awkward for her to
Speaker 1: look back at this all with hindsight. Yeah, it definitely is. Well,
Speaker 1: the drama hasn't stopped there, because on Friday, celeb Spellcheck
Speaker 1: took another shot at jar Day. This time they unearthed
Speaker 1: a screenshot from a review she shared to uber eats
Speaker 1: in March twenty seventeen. The review read, I order off
Speaker 1: you guys all the time, and I'm starting to find
Speaker 1: it really annoying that you have so many non English
Speaker 1: speaking delivery people who can't follow basic delivery instructions. I
Speaker 1: got a notification today saying my food was arriving, and
Speaker 1: it took the person a further twenty minutes to get
Speaker 1: to my door because he couldn't read my delivery instructions properly.
Speaker 1: And when I called him to explain he didn't understand
Speaker 1: a word I was saying. Your GPS consistently sends drivers
Speaker 1: to the wrong street, which I explained in my instructions,
Speaker 1: which most people read and have no problem with. But
Speaker 1: when foreigners are delivering, it takes twice as long for
Speaker 1: me to receive my then cold food. Sort it out. Now,
Speaker 1: this isn't the first time celeb'spelcheck has called jar Day
Speaker 1: out for old racist Facebook comments. It's interesting to note
Speaker 1: that celeb'spelcheck actually turned the comments off the post, which
Speaker 1: may be in response to jar Day's original comments regarding
Speaker 1: online bulling. And just on a side note, how great
Speaker 1: is it that celeb'spelcheck is back. I feel like she's
Speaker 1: raining in a lot of this stupid commentary that is
Speaker 1: out online at the moment. I'm so happy she is back,
Speaker 1: and it's very reminiscent of this time last year, because
Speaker 1: this time last year, just before Australia Day slash Invasion Day,
Speaker 1: celeb'spellcheck unearthed a bunch of racist comments that jar Day
Speaker 1: had made, and they were from a lot longer. So
Speaker 1: it's important to note that this comment she posted to
Speaker 1: uber eats was written in March twenty seventeen, and I
Speaker 1: think that gives it a lot of context because a
Speaker 1: lot of influencers will hide behind the fact that the
Speaker 1: comment was written ten years ago. However, this is literally
Speaker 1: not even four years ago. I saw some comments in
Speaker 1: our Facebook group saying celeb spellchecks like the FBI uncovering
Speaker 1: all of these comments because it was a comment left
Speaker 1: from jar Day's Facebook account on uber Eats's page, So
Speaker 1: I mean there must be she must be spending a
Speaker 1: lot of time trawling through, or there must be a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the wings who have these screenshots
Speaker 1: and are ready to hit send on them. The thing
Speaker 1: is for someone who has stalked a lot of people
Speaker 1: in the past on Facebook for different reasons. When you
Speaker 1: are friends with someone, Oh, actually I think it depends
Speaker 1: on their privacy setting, but if you type their name
Speaker 1: of their account into the search bar, you can search
Speaker 1: through like profiles, pictures. I think there was a review
Speaker 1: option as well, because I actually have read some people's
Speaker 1: reviews before, so it's actually not that hard to find.
Speaker 1: But it makes me think that surely someone that knows
Speaker 1: jar Day and his friends with her on Facebook is
Speaker 1: feeding celeb spellcheck this information because the timing of it
Speaker 1: is so interesting, the fact that celeb'spellcheck called her out,
Speaker 1: then she shot back and called them bullies. This is
Speaker 1: just the ace that celeb'spellcheck has pulled out. And it
Speaker 1: is quite interesting because jar Day shared an apology later
Speaker 1: on Friday, which read, I'm sorry to anyone I've hurt
Speaker 1: with my comments. I hold myself accountable for my actions.
Speaker 1: It doesn't excuse anything, but know that I have grown
Speaker 1: immensely in the past several years. I also do my
Speaker 1: best to be someone others can look up to, and
Speaker 1: I know I've let people down and for that I'm
Speaker 1: truly sorry. I find it interesting because I feel like
Speaker 1: every week we are dissecting influencers apologies, and for me,
Speaker 1: she hasn't actually addressed what she's even talking about. So
Speaker 1: for people who haven't seen the posts, they will have
Speaker 1: no idea what this is about. And I think that's
Speaker 1: quite deliberate that she hasn't actually addressed what she's apologizing for.
Speaker 1: This is Kate coming to you in the future. Since
Speaker 1: we recorded, there have been a few interesting revelations in
Speaker 1: the story that we wanted to update you guys on. Firstly,
Speaker 1: the CEO and founder of weekender Pete Smith has come
Speaker 1: out and made a statement about the incident to pedestrian.
Speaker 1: He said, jar Day Tunci has definitely been a handful.
Speaker 1: Jar Day booked a stunning home in Mirror Park in
Speaker 1: July twenty twenty one, just as the second wave of
Speaker 1: COVID had taken off. The cancelation terms and conditions were
Speaker 1: fifty percent loss of deposit if canceled and one hundred
Speaker 1: percent loss if canceled within fourteen days of arrival. We
Speaker 1: feel the same t's and c's are fairly much industry standard,
Speaker 1: fair and legal according to Fair Trading and the A
Speaker 1: Triple C. The booking was for March twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: In August twenty twenty one, jar Day reached out to
Speaker 1: us requesting that we cancel her booking, citing COVID, which
Speaker 1: we thought was odd as it was eight months out.
Speaker 1: My staff advised that jar Day was very demanding and threatening.
Speaker 1: Her emails support this. I AM advised that she decided
Speaker 1: to post on an Instagram account about this episode. Smith
Speaker 1: then explained that he represents the property owners who wish
Speaker 1: to give jar Day all have her money back due
Speaker 1: to not wanting to deal with any significant reputation damage. Therefore,
Speaker 1: a full refund was processed. Smith confirmed that the business
Speaker 1: was forced to close due to COVID for three months
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and four months in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: He said the only reason we stayed open was to
Speaker 1: deal with the daily waves of people requesting cancelations due
Speaker 1: to COVID. During those times, our costs remained, but the
Speaker 1: business made no money. It has been very difficult for
Speaker 1: the property owners. We represent, our staff and of course
Speaker 1: our guests. Now in an amazing pr move by Weekender,
Speaker 1: they shared an Instagram post announcing that they'd be gifting
Speaker 1: the weekender jar Day would have booked at Mirror Park
Speaker 1: Estate to a lucky follower. They wrote, if it's good
Speaker 1: enough for jar Day, think how awesome this prize will
Speaker 1: be for you and seven besties. They also thanked Jarday
Speaker 1: for the new followers and confirmed that they had struggled
Speaker 1: through twenty twenty one and didn't pay themselves between the
Speaker 1: first of jo and the first of December. They wrote,
Speaker 1: we believe in the power of influencers, but using a
Speaker 1: following for personal gain at the loss and detriment to
Speaker 1: another small business just isn't cool. As for jar Day,
Speaker 1: she has now said her Instagram account to private and
Speaker 1: is keeping a low profile. According to the Daily Telegraph,
Speaker 1: a high profile publicist has alleged that jar Day has
Speaker 1: been pulled from invite lists and brands are avoiding being
Speaker 1: associated with her. One publicist also told the Daily Telegraph
Speaker 1: that this could get her canceled. Jar Day even got
Speaker 1: a roasting from fellow influencer Ruby Tuesday Matthews, who wrote
Speaker 1: on an instant story sitting at home on a Friday,
Speaker 1: sipping tea, watching the complete shit storm and influencer has
Speaker 1: created yet again having a little and then she used
Speaker 1: the gasp emoji. Trust me. I've had my fair share
Speaker 1: of fuck ups, but it's called owning it. Ps sometimes
Speaker 1: apologizing slash making good helps hashtag life lessons. And just
Speaker 1: to wrap things up, a really awkward screenshot of jar
Speaker 1: Day appearing in an Uber Eats ad has resurfaced. I
Speaker 1: wonder how Uber Eats feels about this partnership. In relation
Speaker 1: to the review Jarde left was uncovered by celebspelcheck that's
Speaker 1: me the betrothed.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm actually spoken for.
Speaker 1: Sorry. Yeah. Influencer paychecks are in the spotlight with the
Speaker 1: Herald Sun recently reporting what they predict Beck Judd and
Speaker 1: Nadia Bartel make for a single Instagram post. The newspapers
Speaker 1: touted the earnings as staggering and eyewatering. But do the
Speaker 1: predictions really scratch the surface of what influences are making?
Speaker 1: So can you tell us more about this article? Well,
Speaker 1: the Herald Sun ran a story entitled how much Beck
Speaker 1: and Nadia earned for Instagram posts? Now? The article explained
Speaker 1: that they were the most cashed up Victorian influencers and
Speaker 1: were raking in thousands of dollars for a single Instagram post.
Speaker 1: The article then went on to explain that they believe
Speaker 1: Bechjudd makes five five hundred for a post and Nadia
Speaker 1: Bartel makes three thousand, eight hundred and thirty. Now, although
Speaker 1: the average Herald Sun reader might be sitting at home
Speaker 1: flicking through the paper and seeing that figure thinking it's
Speaker 1: our astronomical I was actually surprised by that number, because, yes,
Speaker 1: of course, thousands of dollars for putting up a single
Speaker 1: Instagram post in the scheme of things, is a huge amount.
Speaker 1: But from my experience working in pr those amounts don't
Speaker 1: scratch the surface of what influencers are actually making. Particularly
Speaker 1: considering that Beck is close to cracking eight hundred thousand
Speaker 1: followers and Nadia has over five hundred thousand followers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that those numbers are so off. When you
Speaker 1: read that out, I was like, what I mean, I've
Speaker 1: heard of influencers earning twenty thousand for a post. Or
Speaker 1: when I saw the headline, I assumed that maybe the
Speaker 1: journo had stumbled across Nadi or Beck's media kit. But
Speaker 1: The Herald Sun was basing these estimates off a website
Speaker 1: called Influencer Marketing Hub, And although the numbers seem a
Speaker 1: bit off, this website is actually a really great tool
Speaker 1: for anyone working in marketing or PR because it's got
Speaker 1: some really good resources on how to spot fake influencers
Speaker 1: and tracking online growth. So this site has an Instagram
Speaker 1: money calculator and you basically type in the influencer's hen
Speaker 1: and it estimates the earning made from a single post,
Speaker 1: and it takes into consideration, obviously the number of followers
Speaker 1: and also the level of engagement on a post. So
Speaker 1: for those who aren't working in the industry, there isn't
Speaker 1: really a hard and fast rule when it does come
Speaker 1: to what influences charge because the sky really is the limit. However,
Speaker 1: many management companies do loosely work around the philosophy that
Speaker 1: every ten thousand followers it means you can charge one
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a post. So if you have one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand followers, generally people charge one thousand dollars a post.
Speaker 1: So if you have a million followers, you can charge
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars a post. However, in reality, as I said,
Speaker 1: they can really charge what they want, because I have
Speaker 1: heard of some high profile influencers just doubling the numbers,
Speaker 1: just charging what they like, because they say, if you
Speaker 1: want to align with me and my brand, it's going
Speaker 1: to be way more than the average starts. I think
Speaker 1: in the case of Nadia and Beck, another reason why
Speaker 1: their amount would be way higher is the fact that
Speaker 1: they have their own brands, because it's not like they're
Speaker 1: looking for some fast hit of gosh. They actually have
Speaker 1: to think about who they align with and they can't
Speaker 1: just align with anyone, so they would really be looking
Speaker 1: for longer term partnerships and campaigns, and they have to
Speaker 1: be brands that fit in with the esthetic and align
Speaker 1: with their current brands. It's not just a cash grab.
Speaker 1: Like the paper is suggesting, Oh I love my neighbor,
Speaker 1: How am I gonna get married? Hanna, boyfriend of Instagram
Speaker 1: and entrepreneur Mitch Third, has raised eyebrows for posting a
Speaker 1: series of drunk Instagram stories whilst parting in Dubai. Now Kate,
Speaker 1: For those who don't know, can you firstly give us
Speaker 1: a quick recap on who Mitch Third is? So? As
Speaker 1: you mentioned in the intro, he is an entrepreneur who
Speaker 1: runs drink bottle company Third Fix, and he gained a
Speaker 1: following after dating influencer Tylia scains Now. The pair broke
Speaker 1: up last year and since then he's been posting a
Speaker 1: lot of business related content on YouTube's about finding your
Speaker 1: purpose and tips on starting a business. It's got a
Speaker 1: bit of a Gary v vibe I feel to it. Now.
Speaker 1: While his ex Talia has six hundred and twenty six
Speaker 1: thousand followers, Mitch just has Third eight thousand. Now, Sophie,
Speaker 1: I have been following closely on Instagram this trip, but
Speaker 1: can you fill in the listeners on what's been going
Speaker 1: on because there's been a lot to talk about. It's
Speaker 1: been some entertaining viewing. So Mitch jetted into Dubai a
Speaker 1: week ago and shared a snap of him on the
Speaker 1: balcony of his suite at the Shangri La Hotel. He wrote,
Speaker 1: sometimes you just have to say fuck. It still doesn't
Speaker 1: feel real that I'm here in Dubai. This place couldn't
Speaker 1: be more about me if it tried. Now, Mitch's holidaying
Speaker 1: at the moment with his brother Robert Third, and it
Speaker 1: is clear that they're in Dubai to live the high life.
Speaker 1: So the brothers each hired a Ferrari to get around
Speaker 1: the city in and they've been sharing content of themselves
Speaker 1: hooning around in cars. And this really isn't surprising because
Speaker 1: Mitch often films himself whilst driving and has copped a
Speaker 1: lot of criticism for that, and also famously filming himself
Speaker 1: driving through gyg. Now, in one of the Instagram stories,
Speaker 1: Mitch wrote that he's filming a blog of the trip
Speaker 1: and it better go viral because they're almost going to
Speaker 1: jail every day for the content they're capturing. He then
Speaker 1: followed this up by sharing a video of his brother
Speaker 1: absolutely hooning down the road and loudly honking the horn.
Speaker 1: It looked like he was in some sort of car race.
Speaker 1: He was literally going that quickly. He then shared another
Speaker 1: video showing his brother doing donuts in the Ferrari. Now,
Speaker 1: Mitch was filming this on his phone whilst also driving
Speaker 1: in the car as he was trying to catch up
Speaker 1: to his brother. So it's all very alarming that this
Speaker 1: is going on. It's very unsafe, and I really hate
Speaker 1: the fact that it's almost encouraging his followers to carry
Speaker 1: out this sort of dangerous behavior. Now, things got worse
Speaker 1: when Mitch started sharing his drunken antiques from the night.
Speaker 1: So he captured the first Instagram story lit three point zero,
Speaker 1: and he was calling himself the King of Dubai in
Speaker 1: these clips. I feel like I can't give them enough
Speaker 1: justice because I don't think I've ever seen someone that
Speaker 1: drunk on Instagram. So let's play a recording of what
Speaker 1: he said.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, is this thirty three three point zero?
Speaker 1: Baby? Fuck? Oh I'm properly what a do let wait?
Speaker 1: Fuck it last? Hey, I'm Lina, babe, No trust me.
Speaker 1: I got so much on bro.
Speaker 3: Like king, I have my fuck me.
Speaker 1: Hey, I've got so much content.
Speaker 3: Fuck I'm lit Why I got so much content? Comment?
Speaker 3: You're waye fuck to leave me.
Speaker 1: I'm fun now. I'm personally feeling a lot of secondhand
Speaker 1: embarrassment listening back to that clip. It kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of the sort of stories that you'd privately snapchat
Speaker 1: your friends when you're out drinking, but you'd never post
Speaker 1: to your Instagram, particularly when you have thirty eight thousand followers.
Speaker 1: And I also thought with that sort of content, you
Speaker 1: might take it down the next morning when you wake up,
Speaker 1: but he has kept all of them up. Well, this
Speaker 1: isn't the first time he's got drunk on his Instagram story,
Speaker 1: but when he was actually on the Gold Coast and
Speaker 1: did this, probably a couple of weeks ago, he did
Speaker 1: delete the story and people kept asking him to put
Speaker 1: it back up, but he said no. And in that
Speaker 1: story he had used the sea word. However, he did
Speaker 1: use the sea word in these stories, but kept it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I just feel like the videos really scream of
Speaker 1: someone who's gotten out of a long term relationship and
Speaker 1: they're kind of reverting back to their early twenties self
Speaker 1: and pretending to have the best time ever when they're
Speaker 1: probably secretly really heartbroken. Now, in another Instagram story, he
Speaker 1: calls a weight gay for the way, he popped open
Speaker 1: a bottle of champagne as he then proceeded to slug
Speaker 1: out of it. He then showed himself as a passenger
Speaker 1: in a car I believe to be a taxi where
Speaker 1: the driver is playing Middle Eastern music.
Speaker 2: Here's what he says, I.
Speaker 1: Loved. I feel like he's almost a walking meme of
Speaker 1: what you'd expect some Gold Coast guy to be like
Speaker 1: on holidays, you know when you I mean, I remember
Speaker 1: visiting Malaysia and I would get secondhand embarrassment from overhearing
Speaker 1: how some of the Australians spoke to the locals there,
Speaker 1: and I feel like this has got that sort of vibe.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think how would people have reacted
Speaker 1: if a well known female influencer had posted these types
Speaker 1: of videos. Because you've got him being homophobic, there's also
Speaker 1: videos of him being quite sleazy towards women and being
Speaker 1: quite disrespectful. I just think that this would have got
Speaker 1: a lot of attention. I mean, we've just spoken about
Speaker 1: how Jardey's posts got slammed by a celeb's belcheck. I
Speaker 1: just think there are different rules for women on Instagram. Oh,
Speaker 1: I completely agree. I think that if a female had
Speaker 1: acted in this way, their behavior would be under the
Speaker 1: microscope and perhaps reported on in the press. I do
Speaker 1: think the fact that he only has thirty eight thousand
Speaker 1: followers and is relatively unknown in the mainstream perhaps be why.
Speaker 1: I mean, but even the way he shows off his possessions,
Speaker 1: like if a woman was doing that. I mean, a
Speaker 1: lot of people, as I said, don't like how jar
Speaker 1: Day shows off her designer goods, which are clearly gifted.
Speaker 1: However Mitch makes it appear. And I do think he
Speaker 1: has earned this money himself from his company to be
Speaker 1: fair so to female influencers. Yeah, but I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that Jarde gets a lot of gifted designer items that
Speaker 1: she shows off, But while Mitch may have paid for
Speaker 1: these items, it does come across as a bit show offy,
Speaker 1: and I just think female influencer couldn't get away with
Speaker 1: splashing their cash in the way he is, particularly in Dubai.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like he really cares about his image,
Speaker 1: considering that they're hiring Ferraris to drive around in whilst
Speaker 1: they're there. Well, it was really strange because the next day,
Speaker 1: as I said, he didn't remove these stories from his Instagram.
Speaker 1: He instead posted a photo of himself on his feed
Speaker 1: looking down at his phone standing in front of a helicopter,
Speaker 1: very flexy sort of post. He wrote, this is me
Speaker 1: checking my phone and about to vomit after last night's stories.
Speaker 1: Well bless up, homies. You're only in Dubai for your
Speaker 1: first time once, and a follower wrote underneath, I mean
Speaker 1: it could have been A friend said damn, I missed them,
Speaker 1: and he replied saying I'll make a highlight reel and
Speaker 1: did a laughing face now. He then proceeded to back
Speaker 1: up the drunk antics the next night and posted them
Speaker 1: all to Instagram's story again. So we see him in
Speaker 1: the post saying I can't wait for my anxiety in
Speaker 1: the morning, Yes sir. He then showed himself partying with
Speaker 1: a very attractive brunette, and he proceeded to cheers her
Speaker 1: and then said I love my neighbors. We're going to
Speaker 1: get married. And I really wonder whether Talia saw this
Speaker 1: post and just thought, wow, I've dodged a bullet here,
Speaker 1: or whether she was a little bit upset about it. Look,
Speaker 1: I think anyone when they see their ex carrying on
Speaker 1: and trying to show off that we're there with girls
Speaker 1: would have an element of not really being happy with it.
Speaker 1: But again, as you said, it seems like she's dodged
Speaker 1: a bullet with the way he's acting, and it seems
Speaker 1: very different to the way he's portrayed himself online pre
Speaker 1: because when he was dating Tarlia, as you said, he
Speaker 1: was very much the boyfriend of Instagram. He seemed very
Speaker 1: very likable. Yeah, he was portrayed as a very likable,
Speaker 1: kind boyfriend that people would envy. And now you're seeing
Speaker 1: this side of him. Of course, he's singles, so he's
Speaker 1: allowed to be doing that, but it's just very funny
Speaker 1: to see this side of him on social media, right
Speaker 1: vodka whiskying a load of Crenda month. When she sees
Speaker 1: you after this, she'll be cropping at the gash. Are
Speaker 1: you sure my dad won't notice that? He'll never tell
Speaker 1: I think he might. As his whiskey nowadays of apple juice.
Speaker 1: We thought this week we would share with you some
Speaker 1: recommendations of what we've been watching on YouTube and also
Speaker 1: on streaming platforms, because I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: are probably struggling to find stuff to watch, and I
Speaker 1: have gone a little bit old school and gone back
Speaker 1: to watch the first and second series of the Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of Melbourne, and I feel really nostalgic watching it
Speaker 1: because I actually was living in Melbourne when it came out,
Speaker 1: and I remember being excited about seeing spots that I
Speaker 1: had been to and getting ideas of where to go.
Speaker 1: I have just been loving it. I forgot how good
Speaker 1: the first season is, particularly with Andrea and Lydia fighting
Speaker 1: against Gina. It's just absolute gold. Oh they never should
Speaker 1: have got rid of Andrea, but I feel like Andrea
Speaker 1: was very strategic and was smart enough to realize that
Speaker 1: she was being cast as somewhat of a villain and
Speaker 1: didn't want that to affect her skincare brand or clinic,
Speaker 1: which is called Liberty Bell. And it's actually quite amusing
Speaker 1: because a lot of influencers now go to Liberty Bell
Speaker 1: and it is a very successful brand. So I wonder
Speaker 1: what would have happened if she'd stayed on the show. Well,
Speaker 1: I think she should have stayed on the show for
Speaker 1: at least another season to have a bit of a redemption,
Speaker 1: because I remember the first couple of series, Gina was
Speaker 1: put on a pedestal and everyone loved her, but then
Speaker 1: some Cracks appeared later down the track and she got
Speaker 1: a little bit egotistic. I mean, I still love her,
Speaker 1: but no, it's been great watching it back and even
Speaker 1: though I think it was first filmed around twenty thirteen fourteen,
Speaker 1: but it's actually getting quite dated now looking back at it,
Speaker 1: Like there's a few scenes it's almost ten years ago,
Speaker 1: I suppose, but there's a few scenes where I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be allowed to do that anymore, or they
Speaker 1: shouldn't have said that. So what have you been watching
Speaker 1: so well, I've actually discovered a new UK influencer to watch,
Speaker 1: and as most people know, I do have a real
Speaker 1: soft spot for watching viral food trend videos. So this
Speaker 1: girl is called Steph Joshi and her YouTube handle is
Speaker 1: Nutty Foody Fitness. So she has three hundred and eighteen
Speaker 1: thousand followers on Instagram and she looks like your typical
Speaker 1: fitness influencer, but she creates these viral food challenges and
Speaker 1: I just find them so relaxing to watch because I
Speaker 1: feel like it's that whole mookbunk element because you almost
Speaker 1: feel like you're getting to enjoy the food but you're
Speaker 1: not getting to eat it. And I came across her
Speaker 1: because she did a collaboration with one of my other
Speaker 1: favorite YouTuber, Saffron Baker, and I tried eating Kylie Jennet
Speaker 1: and Courtney Kardashian's food for a day. And what I
Speaker 1: really liked about Steph is she has sort of a
Speaker 1: refreshing attitude towards food because she's happy to just sit
Speaker 1: there and tuck into a fat burrito. And she does
Speaker 1: all these other challenges like burrito It reminded me of
Speaker 1: you if anything, and she well, because I don't know,
Speaker 1: we all love burritos. And she also does these twenty
Speaker 1: four challenges where she eats chocolate for a whole day,
Speaker 1: or she eats Christmas food or the ten K challenge.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of dated challenges, but
Speaker 1: I just find it super relaxing to watch. It's my
Speaker 1: version of trash TV, where you just switch off and
Speaker 1: just enjoy the crap that's on there. It makes me
Speaker 1: too hungry, though, especially when i'm watching McDonald's m buns
Speaker 1: or challenges. I just it's particularly because I watch them
Speaker 1: late at night and I just get so hungry. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. On that theme, I have another recommendation, but
Speaker 1: it's not what we've it's what we've consumed food wise.
Speaker 1: So Brandon bought them the other night. They called it
Speaker 1: top Deck Bites, and I've never seen them before. They
Speaker 1: are kind of like Easter eggs, but they've got but
Speaker 1: they're not East egs, they're not wrapped. They are bloody delicious.
Speaker 1: They are these like chocolate balls and then they've got
Speaker 1: the top Deck inside. Oh my god, do yourself a favor,
Speaker 1: get some of them. Well, I think that's all we
Speaker 1: have time for today. Thank you so much for joining
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