1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda. 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: In the morning, Sam Well, a court order blocked the 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter demonstration, but it will still go ahead today. 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: People are heading to the domain for this protest. It's 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: no longer a march. As we know, these are volatile 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: times in the midst of a pandemic. So to talk 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: about this, the organizer of today's protest, Paddy Gibson, joins us, 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: Good morning, Patty, how are you? 9 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: Good morning? I'm all right this morning, Patty. 10 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 3: So you said that racism cannot be defeated by staying 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 3: isolated in your house, but can it can be? We're 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 3: talking about it now. 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: Well, I think the reason we're talking about it is 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: because people have been very determined to press a head 15 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: with a street demonstration. We've seen mass demonstrations consistently across 16 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: the United States which have driven a very important and 17 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: really significant watershed moment in that country, confronting the anti 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: black racism that's such a part of that society. Well, 19 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: here in Australia, Abraajeon Tosche Island, the people locked up 20 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: at a higher rate than anyone else in the entire 21 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: world at the hands of police and prison officers. They 22 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: continue in this country, no one's ever seen justice, no 23 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: one's ever been accountable for any of those killings. So 24 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: by saying we need to continue to take to the 25 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: streets and actually stand up to the authorities, it creates 26 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: space for these very very important debates about change. 27 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: And I totally appreciate that, but right now is possibly 28 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: the worst time to do it. 29 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: Look, I mean, I do appreciate that people out there 30 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: are very worried about the coronavirus, and we say we've 31 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: been really unfairly demonized as being responsible for coronavirus transmission. 32 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: There's no evidence there's ever been any transmission at protest demonstrations. 33 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: We've said to the police today, we want to go 34 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: to the Domain and space ride out and so no 35 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: one will need to be close to other people to 36 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: have a risk of transmission. We want to abide by 37 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: actually today the coronavirus regulations which say groups of no 38 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: more than twenty We think we can do that in 39 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: a big park like the Domain, when it's pouring rain 40 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: and there's very little chance of that many people coming. 41 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: The police have said no, They've said, even if we 42 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: space ride out in the Domain and you only had 43 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: twenty one people across the entire domain that could be 44 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: construed as being a gathering for a single purpose and 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 1: we could be fined and arrested. Now we say these 46 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: regulations are about stopping people's democratic rights. Why can people 47 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: continue to gather in their thousands in shopping centres, in 48 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: football stadiums in other places in New South Wales but 49 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: not work cooperatively with police to try and organize well 50 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: spaced out protests and very unfortunately, we think this is 51 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: about trying to stop what is a very very crucial 52 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: issue that strikes at the heart of the injustice in Australia, 53 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: the continuing terrible treatment of Averageline to our Australia and 54 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: the people. 55 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: I think many people, Patty would absolutely most people. I'd 56 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: like to think all people would agree with your message. 57 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: But is there a feeling that you might be doing 58 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: more hindrance than help, that you might lose the good 59 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: will that people have for Black Lives Matter by going 60 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: ahead today? 61 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: Well, look, today's protest is being led by the family 62 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: of David Dunger, who's a Dungngutty man who was killed 63 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: by prison guards. You can go and watch the video. 64 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: It's shocking. It's just like the killing of George Floyd, 65 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: who was pushed into the ground screaming I can't breathe 66 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: until he died. Now they're saying that the prison guards 67 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: should be charged for that killing. And I think anyone 68 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: else out there who had a loved one who was 69 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: killed on camera screaming I can't breathe would want to 70 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: see charges, would want to see action. The truth is 71 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: a year ago, forty people, fifty people were coming to 72 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: these rallies one news camera. Now they're leading thousands of 73 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: people calling for change, and it's because of their determination 74 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: to continue to come out. More than ninety thousand signatures 75 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: on a petition will be presented to the Parliament today 76 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: calling for charges on those guards. But this family, no, 77 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: the changes come in the United States through people driving 78 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: a protest movement, and it's that kind of change we 79 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: need to see here, and it's only going to be 80 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: by continuing to stand up and act collectively that will 81 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: get that change. So very unfortunately, though, I have to say, 82 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: we've been very very unfairly demonized, the fact that the 83 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: police Commissioner can get away with aiming the outbreak in 84 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: Melbourne on the Black Lives Matter rally when the Victorian 85 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: Health Department said they had nothing to do with each other. 86 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: There was no transmission of the virus at the rally. 87 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: It just tells you, I think that there's another agenda 88 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: at play here to try and demonize and play down 89 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: and drive off the streets the very important struggle for 90 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: justice for a Ooriginal people. 91 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: If in your gathering today, will there be people, will 92 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: you have a register of names? If there is any 93 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: outbreak of any kind, can people be traced? 94 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: Well, that's what we're going to that's what we're going 95 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: to try to do. See we put an application forward 96 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: to the Health department a month ago. There's actually an 97 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: email address called COVID mass Gatherings at New South Wales 98 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: dot health dot au. You can have mass gatherings. You 99 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: just need to apply for an exemption. There's plenty of 100 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: mass gatherings going on where they try and contact, trace, 101 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: they try and organize and so people are spaced out. 102 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: It's only protest where they say we're not even going 103 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: to consider these applications. We're not even going to look 104 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: at them. You can't gather at more than twenty people. 105 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: Outside in New South Wales. You can have five hundred 106 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: people that an unseated, unticketed event inside. So I think 107 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: there's a really clear double standard that's going on here. 108 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: We wish we could have worked more cooperatively with the 109 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: authorities all the way through. They've consistently denied that to us. 110 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: But we will be absolutely as safe as we can be. 111 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: We're well organized. I think people coming out in the 112 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: rain that we see in city today are going to 113 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: have to be pretty determined. The police have said they're 114 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: going to find people. So if you're coming to this rally, 115 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: it's going to be very wet. The police are saying 116 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: you might be fined. We think it's probably only given 117 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: a very determined group that will be there, but will 118 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: be there will be spaced out. The family have said 119 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: they won't stop until they see charges laid on those guards. 120 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: There's plenty of other Aboriginal families out there that also 121 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: don't have justice and are also looking at this and 122 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: wanting to see that action and wanting to see that change, 123 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: and unfortunately the attorneys general yesterday from across Australia met 124 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: they won't even make changes to stop the jailing of 125 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: ten year olds in this country. The vast majority of 126 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: children held in prison where they're subject to horrible, horrible treatment, 127 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: torture like we saw on four Corners. You know we're 128 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: talking about young children. They won't even raise the agent 129 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: which they put children in prison until fourteen. I mean, 130 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: I don't think any child should be put in prison. 131 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: So people are treated so appallingly. There's a horrible oppression 132 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: of Aboriginal people. And I think you know it's going 133 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: to be a small and determined group in the Sydney 134 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: rain today, but we're going out to say we will 135 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: not compromise on this question. We must see action. Black 136 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: lives must matter in Australia, and it's only going to 137 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: be a growing movement, a collective movement that can act 138 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: safely and set an example. I'd like to think actually 139 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: for how people can be distanced at their workplace where 140 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: they're often not allowed to distance. You know, don't come 141 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: if you're sick, Please stay away from this rally. If 142 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: you have any symptoms at all, don't catch public transport. 143 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: We don't want to plug up the public transport system. 144 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: These are all measures that other organizations that organize mass 145 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: gatherings have to put in place. For the New South 146 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: Wales government, we've tried to do the same thing. But 147 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: not only will they not cooperate, that consistently runs to 148 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: court and try to actually stop these fundamental democratic rights. 149 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: So it's a very concerning situation I think when they're 150 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: trying to set such a double standard. I stay when 151 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: the marketplace is open, the public square must be opened. 152 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: If people can be brought together in their thousands to 153 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: make money, we should be able to come together and 154 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: find similar measures to mitigate risk, to raise crucial democratic issues, 155 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: and this fundamental injustice in Australia we must confront, just 156 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: as they're confronting it in the United States. Anti black 157 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: racism is worse here in many ways, many many ways 158 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: than the United States. This must become to terms with 159 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 1: and we need to actually drive that change to confront 160 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: the racism in our society. And it starts with charges 161 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,559 Speaker 1: on the guards that killed David Dunge Junior. 162 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: Well you certainly bring it to light here and it's 163 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: a good thing you moved it from town hall to 164 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: the domain. Well, good luck today, Patty, Thank you very much. 165 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: I appreciate the support. Join the and Amanda the Morning 166 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: one point seven value