WEBVTT - Dale Steyn - Ordineroli Speaking 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:09.280 Ordinarily speaking, you see the monster, but you don't see 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:09.799 the real meat. 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:30.280 Takes time. Hello and welcome to this week's episode of 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:34.400 ordinarily Speaking. Dale Stain is regarded as one of the 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.080 greatest fast bowlers of all time. He retired from the 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.400 game last year with four hundred and thirty nine Test wickets, 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.279 one hundred and ninety six ODI scalps, as well as 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:48.239 sixty forty twenty international wickets to his name. But the 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.960 one thing he desperately wanted, a maiden World Cup title 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.720 for South Africa, eluded him. The biggest moment of your 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.560 career what happens when you don't deliver? Dale chares that 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:03.040 side of the story with brutal honesty and admits it 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:07.120 gnawed at him for years, maybe even for life. The 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.440 man who declares he willfully terrified people out on the 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.800 ground is now finding his feet in retirement, navigating the 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.000 anxiety that change brings, and coming to terms with what 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.240 could have been. Knowing he'll never get the chance again. 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.440 I'm pleased to say the animal on the pitch is 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.080 replaced by an incredibly caring man off it. He's just 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.039 a country kid at heart and a delightful person to 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.959 be around. I hope you enjoy getting to know Dale 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.240 Stain in a chat that comes full circle as Dale 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:50.480 makes a poignant realization at the end. Well, thanks so 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.600 much for joining me, Dar, I appreciate it. 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.720 You are most welcome. We've already had enough laughs before 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.520 we even started this, so let's see where we go. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:00.760 It's the best way to do things, isn't it having 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:01.440 a laugh first? 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:02.160 Absolutely? 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.360 I want to start by saying, I've obviously watched you 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.560 for so many years, like so many cricket fans. Have 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:12.760 you got the bulging eyes, the crazy eyes on the field, 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:17.040 this intense character. Yeah, working with you, getting to know you, 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.040 it turns out that you are the most chilled, lovely, 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:25.760 generous guy. And the two just don't align at all. 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.520 What's it like for you being almost two completely different 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.359 people from professional to personal. 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.359 Yeah? Look, I think when you go on to the field, 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:39.440 you have to kind of be somebody else, you know, 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.480 like to like see like I'm fast bowler, Like I 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:44.320 love bowling fast and everything like that. When I was 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.120 a kid, I love bowling fast, But then I learned 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.400 all these other things that come with fast bowling, like 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:52.400 body language and like the fear factor and all of 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.360 that thing, you know, all those things that kind of 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.800 come with it. So I created like this kind of 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.640 persona on the field, who I'm not exactly the same 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.080 off the field too. And then when I got on 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.640 and I just kind of slipt into that person you know, 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.200 into that persona, and I do my thing, and then 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.040 off the field, I am who I am? 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.079 So who is this persona that you created? 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.600 I just wanted to create somebody that was scary, you know, 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.120 like that's that's what I thought. That's what I was 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.200 told about fast bowling, you know. And I watched those 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.640 West Indians ball back in the day and watched Shai Bowl. 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.480 I was absolutely petrified as a viewer watching this, and 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.079 I was like this, this scares me, you know, without 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.720 ever meeting these guys. And then when I started to play, 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:34.840 I started to realize, maybe this is These are the 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.200 kind of things, these attributes that I needed to include 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.720 into my game. I played against Shane Warne and I 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.720 loved listening to him. I played against him luckily where 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.160 he sledged guys, not sledged them badly, but like he 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.400 was very clever with these words. So I picked up 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:51.440 things like that, especially when he targets people's techniques. He 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:53.520 makes you feel like you are hitting the ball where 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.840 he wants you to hit the ball, rather than allowing 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.160 you to feel like I've just played the shot that 0:03:58.240 --> 0:03:59.880 I wanted to play. He's like, no, no, no, no, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:01.760 you played the shot that I wanted you to play. 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.960 So it really makes you think. You know, and then 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.200 watching other guys like the Quicks, like Shaib and Brettley 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:08.800 and all of that, I just wanted to take all 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.720 of that, package it into something and of bash it 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.040 all up and then make it who I wanted it 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.080 to be, and then guard into the field and scare 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:19.320 people and take wickets. 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.600 When you saw yourself, did you recognize yourself in those 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:24.360 crazy eyes? 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.480 They it's the yeah, look it's different. Like when I 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.800 watch myself play. Sometimes I sit down and I watch 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.880 and I watch the early early years and I'm like, 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.279 who is that person? What's going through that kid's mind? 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.880 You become like this thing through the people that you 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.000 are around. You know. I was lucky enough that I 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.840 spend time with Darryl cullenan who kind of he would 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:45.839 put the ball into my hand. He'd be like, you 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:47.760 do what I tell you to do. You know, otherwise 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:49.840 I'll find somebody else to do it, you know, and 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:51.719 you get hard and you you start to do that 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:53.440 and then it becomes part of your game. But it's 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.240 actually what he wanted, you know. He wanted me to 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.719 bounce people and hit people and everything. But then I 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.720 found success in that. I've got wickets like it, so 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:01.839 I just I stole it and I'm like, I'm gonna 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.520 put that into my game. That's gonna become part of 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.200 my game. But it was his game plan, you know, 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.280 and loads of different examples. But yeah, when I watch it, 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.080 I'm like, I don't recognize that human because it's not 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.760 who I actually am. But it's good to slip into 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.560 that and be that because it can be very successful 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:19.599 on the field, you know, in sport. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.599 Is it hard as well? Though completely pretending to be 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.240 someone else it can be. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.560 As a matter of fact, I think it's like it's 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.760 quite It's a nice release for me because when I 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.760 go into the field, everything that I have, like normal 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.120 life issues, like anybody else like kind of just they 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:38.839 stay off the field, and I'm able to go into 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.719 this field and just like express not who I am, 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.719 but express how I want to go about doing something 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.200 without having the worry of someone sitting there going, oh, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:49.880 but he's a nice guy. I actually want people to 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:51.960 walk into the field thinking, oh, he's a nice guy, 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.719 and then walk into the situation where they feel absolute 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.000 terror and fear, because that's what it is. You know, 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.920 you should be able to if you can't get wickets 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.560 through guys with skill, sometimes fear is the biggest way 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.240 of getting poles, especially when it comes to fast bowling. 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.360 There's nothing more scary than facing a fast piling when 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.840 you feel like your life is on the line. It is, 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.719 and that's an incredible power to have as a fast bowler. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.280 And I experienced that at a young age where I 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.680 was probably fourteen, and I was a timid little guy 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.200 at fourteen, and I was playing club cricket against men, 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.400 and when I was flooring these guys, I was hitting 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.599 these guys, you know, and seeing grown men lying on 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.320 the floor almost in tears. There was a power that 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.320 I'd now experienced for the first time that I never 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.320 felt in my life before. And that's what you get 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:35.320 when you get onto that field. 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.719 I'm looking across from you, when I'm seeing the crazy 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:38.839 eyes coming out. 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.680 Of me right now, starting to slip into it. I'm 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.760 going to turn green at some point, like the Hulk 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:45.440 just burst through things. 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:51.039 I love that. So you genuinely enjoyed terrifying people. 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.719 Yeah, absolutely loved it. Like it just you know, I 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.440 didn't get a kick out of it, like I'd stand 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.960 there and laugh at somebody, you know, But like I, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.839 you could smell it, not smell it like physically smell it, 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:04.599 but you can get a sense of it, like in 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.520 a whiff of it, like would they say, like a 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.040 wolf or a line or can pick up and track 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.400 blood from a mile away, like I could feel when 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.000 I would look at two batters and I'd be like, no, 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.240 I can see that you are absolutely petrified, and the 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.560 other guy he's okay. So I'm going to focus everything 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.400 on you. You are going to be the weakest prey 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.640 and going to be simple and easy for me to get. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:27.080 And that's just how I did it. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.920 I think I've actually worked it out that the reason 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.360 why you're so nice is because you got all your 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:34.160 anger around. 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.800 Get away on the field. Yeah, dirt all on the field, 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.200 and don't tweak me before I go out onto the field, 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.840 because just absolutely come out your barrage. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.160 I love that. Is there any moments where you had 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:53.680 to pretend where you were feeling less secure within yourself 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.760 or feeling that sense of fear of failure. I guess 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.400 that you had to convince yourself to be that guy. 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.400 I think a lot of the time I had. There 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.040 was times when I was prepping for a game when 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.720 I just felt like things are not going well, you know, 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.720 like I don't feel physically good. I'm saw my hamstringers, 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.200 saw I'm struggling with a quad or my body saw 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.000 it's been a rough test match. And then then, as 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:21.560 the old saying goes, you fake it. You know, you 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.120 fake it, so you make it. And I would run 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.560 out onto that field and fake the energy and just 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.720 put a put a show on to again, like show 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.240 the opposition that I'm, yeah, I'm you know, I'm I'm 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.120 going to be in your face today, and then walk 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.679 back into the dressing room absolutely fall down there and 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.120 lie there and just go all right, I need a 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.600 red bull and a coke and you know, and let's go, 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:44.400 you know, and then just go out there and try 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.400 and do it again. So that was that was tough, 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.000 but then it was always good. My coaches always saw 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.200 the effort that I put in and the mental side 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.040 of things, because it is difficult to try and slip 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.520 into that thing. That also when you go back into 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.280 the dressing room, and it was always strange because I 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.440 found when you walk in the dressing room, people don't 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.680 want you to scream and shout and lose your shit, 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:05.679 you know. And I wasn't somebody that did a lot 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.560 of that, but if I did, that's sports, you know. 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.000 People do tend to lose their cool sometimes sometimes something 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.200 doesn't go your way, and then someone would come to 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:14.320 me in the dressing room and be like, oh, you 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:15.959 must calm down, and I'm like, you know, what do 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:17.920 you mind if I curse? It's like, you know, of course, 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.040 you know, fuck you, you know you you want me to 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:21.640 be this animal on the field. But then when I 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.920 come off the field and I'm in my safe space 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:25.640 in the dressing room, you come and tell me that 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:27.120 I need to put a lit on it. No, it's not, 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.600 that's not gonna happen. Give me my five minutes. And 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:31.480 then you get the monster out on the field and 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:33.040 you might get a little bit of him in the 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.640 dressing room, you know, but not always, you know, it's 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.760 just but it was it's hard work to try and 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.200 like manage that. But as soon as I got off 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.080 the field most of the time have a shower, and 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.040 you get off into public and everything, you just slip 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.080 into who you are. You know, just leave that at 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:46.920 the ground, you know. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.840 Because that always fascinates me with athletes, particularly really physical 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.520 sports or like you're saying, a sport where you, you know, 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:57.480 you're essentially trying to terrify somebody, How you get in 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.400 and out of that mindset because you are still human 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.320 at the end of the day. It's not, I imagine, 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.200 not just a switch you can flick. 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.599 Yeah, So I started to like work this out that 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:11.559 the moment I put on my uniform is when I 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.880 slipped into the monster I wanted to be, you know, 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:16.840 all this villain or whatever it was. I grew up 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.920 watching like anybody like watching cartoons, and I didn't watch 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:21.679 a lot of it, but I love Batman. Batman was 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.160 a big one for me. She still quite enjoy watching. 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:26.640 You know, they're dark and they you know, they're very 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.439 They're good like Christian Bale are great. But I found 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:32.839 like Batman is probably the most relatable of all your 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.640 superheroes because he's actually just human, you know, who puts 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.040 this cape on and hides his face and he goes 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.200 out there. He's got no superhuman powers, Like if you 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.600 shoot him, you can die. You know. Where's all the 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.920 other super humans are like that, you shoot them, they 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.079 recover and all that kind of crap, you know. But 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.320 like Batman for me was like very relatable, and I 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:50.960 was like cool, I want to do that when it 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.400 comes to cricket. So as soon as I put my 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.960 uniform on, whether it be playing for Franchise Crickets, Melbourne 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.800 Stars or RCB or Sunrises whoever it was or South Africa, 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:05.560 I become this superhuman, you know, and nothing's gonna fucking 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.480 stop me. Nothing will stop me, not even a broken shoulder. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.280 I am gonna go. And then when I come off, 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:15.079 then I can slip back into who who I want, 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.160 who I am. You know, Batman still kind of fakes 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.679 it like he's this billionaire, but I not that. Then 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.520 I can be who who I want people to believe, 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.480 who I am, who I feel I am. You know. 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.400 I enjoy surfing and nature and outdoors and dogs and 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.560 laughing and crying and all that kind of crap. But 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.679 then on the field, I want to be that, you know, because. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.960 You are a big softer. You cry Reality TV terrible. 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.840 Don't watch me sit here and I've been. I've told you, 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.080 I've been. Get into this dark hole, black hole of 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:48.280 YouTube with American idols and watching like nine year olds 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.400 come there with I don't know you know, and they sing. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.720 I just I start crying alone in my room in 0:11:55.760 --> 0:12:01.240 a bubble, Terrible. Who have I. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:06.559 Become the monster crying in a bubble at a little 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.840 girl who won a contest? I love it. 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.559 It's good, it's inspirational. Everyone should have a tier every 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:12.080 now and then. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:17.480 Absolutely real men cry. Tell me about before we get 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.760 stuck in because you mentioned the shoulder just there, and 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.480 I want to talk about the injuries that you've overcome. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.680 But I just want to go backwards a little bit 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.280 because you grew up in a real little town. Tell 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:29.800 me about it. 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.280 So it's like this tiny little town that's connected to 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.439 the Kruger National Park, Like there's nothing that happens there. 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.520 It's like a tourist town, but there's a big mine. 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.240 My whole family actually comes from Zimbabwe, so I think 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.200 they went down for a funeral my grandfather went down 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.760 for a funeral and there was like job application going 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.560 around or they needed somebody to do a specific job. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.079 And his name was popped up because he was there, 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:55.600 and he said, I'll come, but I'm bringing all my 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.400 sons and son in laws. So my dad joined the party. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.600 And yeah, I was the only one that was born 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:05.120 in South Africa in Pallabora. My whole family was born 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.280 in Zimbabwe, and I feel like I'm an outcast just 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:12.920 from that, you know, alone but tiny little town, no 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.120 fences around the place. So we had loads of animals 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.720 cruising through all the time. Like when I went to school, 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.400 ride our bicycles or cycle or walk through the bush 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.480 and there, I mean we would see tons of animals, elephants, lines, 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.920 you name it, like daily basis, you know. 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.080 Literally just walking this school, you'd come across these sort. 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.640 Of animals, Yeah, cruising through going on the way to school. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:35.400 And then sometimes the police would be there and they 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.360 would tell us you're not allowed to walk this way 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.440 today because it's a little dirt track that goes through 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.079 to the school. And they're like, you're not allowed to 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:42.800 go this way because there's two male lines. And we're 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.559 like shit, Now we've got to go the long way around, 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.200 you know, the bicycles. It was not that far, but 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.760 still like you can't go the shortcut, you know, you. 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.080 Weren't willing to take on the lines. 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.600 I didn't mind. I mean like I don't. I genuinely 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:57.840 wish people can go, like google the place, you know, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.720 and just google images of it. My dad is a 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.360 green keep on the golf course there, and I mean 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.280 as a kid, I learned how to drive on that 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.840 golf course. And we saw everything we've seen, lion kills, 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.360 leopard kills, cheetah kills, wild dog kills. We saw twenty 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:14.840 one wild dog eat impola like race through number seventeen. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.360 It's the water, it's a bit. It's a hole that's 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:21.280 got a big water crossover. They chased an impola through 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.640 and they ripped that impoller to nothing. In about three minutes. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.760 Twenty one wild Dog's gone, im Pola disappeared. We watched 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.240 that and yeah, I ate it on the green you know, 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.280 like you can google this. It's real. It's right there. 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.080 And for a long time my dad used to make 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.400 videos and then send them into There was a show 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.440 in South Africa. It was called Felt focus. It's Afrikaans 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.440 that means bush focus, or it was called fifty to 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.560 fifty bush focus, felt focus. And you could send your 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.480 home videos in of what you've seen, and my dad 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.400 was a regular. He used to send videos in of 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.240 like pythons that crossed the whole road. We used to 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.720 get out and try and move them, and lions and 0:14:58.080 --> 0:14:59.480 all of this kind of stuff on the golf course 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.400 because people were just amazed that this was happening on 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:02.880 the golf course and this was on my doorstep. 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:04.920 You didn't have to go far from motivation to be 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:05.440 the monster. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:07.920 No no, And I think a lot of that is 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.960 like where I grew up is why is who I 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.120 am on the field? You know, I watched animals in 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.480 the way that they behaved, and like I knew that 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.280 they target the weakest link. It's quite simple. You know, 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:18.680 if you're gonna take if a line's going to take 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.000 down a buffalo, he's not going to take it down 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.240 the biggest bull. He isn't to take down the cough 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.200 or the one that's struggling or something like that. And 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.400 in cricket, I just found like that was what I 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.480 wanted to do. I wanted to get the big wickets, 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.400 you know. So if David Warner is there, he's batting 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.520 on one hundred and eighty or ninety or whatever it is, 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.360 I want to get him out. But if the other 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.560 bloke that's batting with him is more likely to get out, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.080 I'm going to break it open. I'm going to get 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.640 that guy out. And that's what happens in nature. I 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:44.360 just kind of took it from there and just went 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.880 to the creep field. I used everything that I experienced 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:48.200 in life and took it onto the field. 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.560 Did you ever have any close calls with any of. 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.680 Those, well, life, Yeah, we went fishing, me my best mate. 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.200 We walked into a female line once. I don't know 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.160 who got a bigger fright, whether she got the bigger 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.600 fright than what we did. We'd parked at this point. 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.160 We used to fish at this dam and then became privatized, 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.480 so we would still sneak on and park our cord 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.640 the bush and then walk and yeah, we came within 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.480 about twenty meters of her and so about a pitch length, 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.320 and yeah, she got a bigger fright than what we did. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.720 I reckon, I could see her eyes and then we 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.640 just back pedaled. And she cruised off and that was that. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.040 But yeah, I've been chased by hippo many times. 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.720 Yeah, it must be terrifying. They there deadliest animal in 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:30.160 the world. 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.920 Don't Yeah, yeah, yeah they are. But you time it, 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:34.960 you know, you just you know, like when they like 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:36.880 you can see they're coming, coming, coming, coming, coming, and 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.160 then when they get like within five meters or ten 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.560 meters of the water, I kind of work it out, 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.040 like can they get out quicker than I can get away? 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.680 And when they do get out, you fucking go, you know, 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.800 you get up that tree as quickly as you can. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:56.240 That happened many, many times. Yeah, a couple of times 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.080 that we were fishing when we would be young and 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.000 want to cross over because we don't walk around the wole. 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.160 So we walked through but way deep and then get 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:03.640 to the other side and see there's a big croc, 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.200 like a three meter crock, and you just think, why 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:11.160 do we do that? You know, Like, yeah, Discovery Channel 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.199 ruined everything for me because now I sit back and 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.280 I think, how did I not die? 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.400 I'm also very very happy that I've managed to get 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:24.840 a park the car from your it's a freaking accent. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:31.600 Now that you're retired, do you fully appreciate how incredible 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.840 it is that a guy from that town ended up 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:39.040 being the number one fast bowler in the world for 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:40.960 a significant amount of time. 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.200 Yeah, I still don't know how that happened. I mean, 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.680 I've told you my story, which is a very funny one, 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.240 and we'll keep that one private, but it's as good. 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.000 But you know, there was something in the water in 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.119 my street that I grew up in because like one 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:54.720 of my best mates went on to become a really 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:58.119 good photographer and he's on Instagram. Who who got you 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.639 to follow? Now? He's been on Jimmy Fallon and we've 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.080 spoken about this and I'm just giving him heads up. 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:04.840 Marlon da Toy. And then there was like two other 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:06.800 people that were that were in my street. They were 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.040 the same age as me. They went onto one his 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.000 name is Logan Crobola. He went on to be the 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.280 lead singer of a band in South Africa called Cutting 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:17.040 Jade and they were massive in South Africa. And then 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.879 Warren his brother. Logan's brother, Warren was an Olympic swimmer 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.560 for South Africa and I think he won bronze at 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.560 one of the Olympics and we all lived in the 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:30.040 same street growing up out of this one town. So yeah, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.560 we got good. We got the good water. You know, 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:34.200 everybody else got the shitty water. 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:38.919