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Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty sixth of September. I'm Zara, I'm nina, pay

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Speaker 2: parental leave, violence against women, job seeker and gambling. They're

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Speaker 2: all very big topics that the Albanezi government is currently

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Speaker 2: grappling with. In today's deep dive, I'll speak to the

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Speaker 2: Minister with portfolio responsibility over all of these issues. But first, Nina,

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Speaker 2: what is making headlines?

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Speaker 3: The UN Human Rights Committee found Australia has violated the

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Speaker 3: human rights of Torres Street Islanders by failing to pretec

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Speaker 3: them from the effects of climate change. The committees at

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Speaker 3: Australia had violated two human rights set out by the

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Speaker 3: International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. According to the decision,

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Speaker 3: these include the right to enjoy their culture and be

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Speaker 3: free from arbitrary interferences with their private life, family and home.

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Speaker 2: Rallies have been held across Australia in solidarity with protests

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Speaker 2: in Iran following the death of a twenty two year

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Speaker 3: Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wang has called on China to

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Speaker 3: quote exert their influence to end this war in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Speaking to the UN General Assembly, Wong said, in this pursuit,

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Speaker 3: the world looks to China, a great power, a permanent

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Speaker 2: With Russia, and the good news. Sir Elton John has

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Speaker 2: quote an enduring icon and advocate with absolute courage who

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Speaker 2: simple truth that everyone deserves to be treated with dignity

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Speaker 5: The government scheme does complement employer schemes, and I think

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Speaker 5: what we're seeing now is more and more employer schemes

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Speaker 5: Look, unfortunately the budgetary walls involve us spending going in

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Speaker 5: Well, one of the first things we've already done is

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Speaker 4: Every year you will get up to ten.

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Speaker 5: That is what breeds long term this reduction in violence

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Speaker 5: Ultimately, there are a number of indicators that we need

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Speaker 4: Of those measures.

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Speaker 2: Your government can also play a role. The government is

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it is a really complex web of laws

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Speaker 5: Gambling responsibly may not be doing its job, and so

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Speaker 5: have a voice and that they're contributing. Now, when we

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Speaker 5: is doing a significant piece about whole of government. So

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Speaker 5: not just in my portfolio, but how young people engage

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Speaker 5: with whole of government, that's really important and I would

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Speaker 5: like to emphasize that for me in my portfolio. Young

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Speaker 5: have a say in their own right.

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