WEBVTT - Fiancé finances put wedding plans on thin ice

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<v Speaker 1>You are now entering the court of Judge Gina Leano.

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<v Speaker 2>Weddings can create drama between the very people they're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be uniting for life. If you have an argument

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<v Speaker 2>with your fiance that you once settled, once and for all,

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<v Speaker 2>you come to my courtroom. I am Judge Gina, and

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<v Speaker 2>my decision is final. You better be ready to hear

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<v Speaker 2>my ruling. A marriage is the union of two equals

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<v Speaker 2>in love. But what happens when the planning of the

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<v Speaker 2>wedding is unbalanced? Partners in love are not always partners

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<v Speaker 2>in planning. Nicole has brought her fiance matt to Judge Gina,

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<v Speaker 2>demanding that they hire a wedding planner for their upcoming nuptials.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole is seeking three thousand dollars to hire a wedding

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<v Speaker 2>planner for their big day.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Nicole Shooter and I have come to

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<v Speaker 3>Judge Gina today because I want a wedding planner. My fiance, Matthew,

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<v Speaker 3>does not want a wedding planner. He is DIY saves

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<v Speaker 3>money wherever he can.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to spend the money elsewhere, like a honeymoon.

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<v Speaker 4>We currently don't have a budget for a honeymoon.

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<v Speaker 3>I like to get professional to do it and get

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<v Speaker 3>it done and get it done properly.

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<v Speaker 5>My relationship with Ni Carl has been a long one.

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<v Speaker 4>We were dating for thirteen fourteen years before we got engaged.

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<v Speaker 3>I met Matthew when I was in year ten, Matthew

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<v Speaker 3>was in year eleven. He walked into the room and

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<v Speaker 3>it was kind of love at first sight, and we.

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<v Speaker 4>Are having a relatively short engagement, which is what we

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<v Speaker 4>both want.

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<v Speaker 3>I want a wedding planner because I want to take

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<v Speaker 3>the stress off myself, a mental load. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>have someone there to support us on this journey. I've

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<v Speaker 3>never planned a wedding before, so I just need that

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<v Speaker 3>extra support.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm hoping the outcome today is that Gina realizes we

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<v Speaker 4>don't need a wedding planner.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, were mostly of the process.

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<v Speaker 4>We've done most of the organizing ourselves.

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<v Speaker 5>So hopefully the outcomes in my favorite that we don't

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<v Speaker 5>need a wedding plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Court is now in session. Please rise for Judge Gina.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Nicole and Matt you're here today, and Nicole, you

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<v Speaker 2>have a claim against matt who is your fiance. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that correct?

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<v Speaker 6>Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? And you're wanting to be compensated one three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty three dollars for three and a half weeks

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<v Speaker 2>off work prior to your wedding? Is that right?

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<v Speaker 6>Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? So I'm going to start with you, Nicole, just

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<v Speaker 2>because you are the applicant. How did you meet and

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<v Speaker 2>how did your relationship with Matt begin?

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<v Speaker 6>So? We met back in two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 7>I was in year ten and I at that time

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<v Speaker 7>decided that I wanted to be a sport teacher.

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<v Speaker 6>I thought I wanted to be a sports teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>Stick with the facts, please, okay?

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<v Speaker 6>Im him in year ten? Matthew was in year eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, in two thousand and eight. Correct, you met then?

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<v Speaker 2>And when did you start dating?

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<v Speaker 6>Four weeks later?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? And when did you get engaged?

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<v Speaker 6>October?

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<v Speaker 2>October twenty two. And are you living together?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, we are?

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<v Speaker 2>And when did you move in together?

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<v Speaker 8>What?

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<v Speaker 6>Three years ago? Can we build a house? Dreams ago?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? Three? Three? Four years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? So you dated for twelve years before you moved

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<v Speaker 2>in together.

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<v Speaker 6>Correct. We did long distance for four and a half

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<v Speaker 6>of those years.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Matt you proposed Nicole in October last year. Tell

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<v Speaker 2>me about the proposal. How did you do that? Did

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<v Speaker 2>you buy a ring? First of all?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So I bought him in Tasmania about a month

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<v Speaker 4>before I met Nicolo over in La over there doing

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<v Speaker 4>a bit of study for a little while, and I

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<v Speaker 4>come over for a month.

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<v Speaker 5>We went to Vegas for five days.

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<v Speaker 2>That could have saved you a lot of money. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you could have just got married there.

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<v Speaker 6>I know we're stupid.

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<v Speaker 5>We should off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, could have saved you a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 3>But go on.

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<v Speaker 5>We went to what do we do?

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<v Speaker 4>We went to a circus, the Michael Jackson Show that

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<v Speaker 4>finished at around eleven thirty or something at night, and

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<v Speaker 4>I knew at midnight the Bellagio Hotel fountain fire works

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<v Speaker 4>go off at midnight. So then I knew that if

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<v Speaker 4>I could get there before midnight when the water fountains

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<v Speaker 4>all went off, that would be a pretty good moment.

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<v Speaker 4>So it started going off, and then I got down

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<v Speaker 4>on one knee. I think Nicole turned around and noticed

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<v Speaker 4>that I wasn't standing up and looked down. She looked shocked. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>so she didn't. I don't think she was taking it

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<v Speaker 4>seriously for a second. She thought it was all a

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<v Speaker 4>joke because I joke around.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair bit and then what did you say.

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<v Speaker 5>Will you marry me? I didn't say a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>And she obviously said yes because now you're planning your wedding.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I said are you serious about twenty five? Fifty

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<v Speaker 6>times before I actually said right.

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<v Speaker 2>So he wasn't convincing his response to the first twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five questions.

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<v Speaker 6>I sometimes he would come home and like pretend he

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<v Speaker 6>was going to do it and just like joke. So

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, oh my god, it's actually like.

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<v Speaker 2>You're amazing, Matt. That's a very mean thing.

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<v Speaker 6>I saw the ring and I was just like, oh

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<v Speaker 6>my god, is this a joke?

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<v Speaker 2>So I just want to know what do you love

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<v Speaker 2>about each other? Nicole? Three words to describe Matt? What

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<v Speaker 2>do you love about Matt?

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<v Speaker 6>His humor, he's kind and yeah, he's just he's just

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<v Speaker 6>cuddly and he's like a big teddy there cudly, he's

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<v Speaker 6>like a teddy bears.

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<v Speaker 2>And what about you? Matt? Three words to describe Nicole?

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<v Speaker 2>Why you love her?

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<v Speaker 5>She follows a dreams. Yeah, I've never had the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's there, you go. You never be married first time?

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<v Speaker 2>For everything?

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<v Speaker 5>We get along, We actually do get along with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what other word would you use? To describe her word. Yeah, passionate, passionate. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there you go. So you love each other and this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a beautiful thing, and you put

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<v Speaker 2>money aside between the two of you for this wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's paying? You're saving for the wedding? Now? Trying to

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<v Speaker 2>both and are you both working?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, we're both working?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Nicole? What do you do?

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<v Speaker 6>So I'm a hairdresser and a dance teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>And what about you, Matt?

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<v Speaker 5>I manage an aquatic center.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you sort of earn the same income?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, you earn a bit more than me, Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit, a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are you getting married in Pasmania? All right? And

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<v Speaker 2>how many guests? Eighty two, one hundred eighty two, one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred guests? And how far off is your wedding?

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<v Speaker 6>January twenty twenty?

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<v Speaker 3>What's next year?

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<v Speaker 6>Twenty twenty four?

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<v Speaker 2>What's your budget for the wedding?

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<v Speaker 5>There was never really a budget. There's just a figure

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<v Speaker 5>that it's come to and then that's how budget.

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<v Speaker 2>What's it per head?

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<v Speaker 5>Are we charging people per head?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you charging possibly? Yeah, you're going to charge your

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<v Speaker 2>guests to come to your wedding, But.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't want gifts or nothing, because we don't need anything.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to charge them? How much are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to charge them per head?

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<v Speaker 5>About fifty dollars ahead?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you serious?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's a new thing.

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<v Speaker 5>It's in thing that is the normal thing in tasma.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, absolutely, in gifts and stuff. Now you just charge

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<v Speaker 6>it per head at the wedding because everything's so goddamn.

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<v Speaker 2>Expensive, So you're thinking about fifty works ahead, okay, just.

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<v Speaker 6>To cover a little portion. I mean we're putting on everything, food, wine.

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<v Speaker 2>Drink, fifty dollars ahead. It's only going to be five grand.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, but that covers the food, so it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a token contribution.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, okay, this is a gift in that, like, we

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<v Speaker 8>don't need gifts that we'd rather have a little bit

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<v Speaker 8>of money come off the wedding because we're obviously trying

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<v Speaker 8>to save it.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you had a quote from a wedding planner or coordinate?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And what do they want to charge you?

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<v Speaker 6>Three thousand dollars okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So tell me what you've organized so far. Have

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<v Speaker 2>you got your photographer yes? And you've got your.

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<v Speaker 6>Music yes, music's the most important.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've got your flowers no? So you need flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you got your celebrant?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 2>What is there left to do now that a wedding

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<v Speaker 2>planner would do.

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<v Speaker 6>The color, the style?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, you're going to pick the color. You're going

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<v Speaker 2>to pick the style. Have you got bridesmaids?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I've got to do brides I've got seven, stupid

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<v Speaker 6>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's just one dress and you buy seven of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think I really want to do that. I

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<v Speaker 6>think we want to do different styles because we've got

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<v Speaker 6>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but your wedding plan is not going to do that.

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<v Speaker 6>No, she's not going to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you got cars?

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<v Speaker 6>No, we don't have cars.

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<v Speaker 2>So you need flowers, a celebrant and cars.

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<v Speaker 5>We don't need cars.

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<v Speaker 6>We need signs, signings like welcome to the wedding, welcome

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<v Speaker 6>to the bar.

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<v Speaker 2>And Matt, what do you say about a wedding planner.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I say it's getting to the point where it's

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<v Speaker 4>getting a little bit expensive and we need to probably

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<v Speaker 4>have the hard conversation and where to cut things.

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<v Speaker 5>And for me, this is the first to go.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. What about the question of who should organize

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<v Speaker 2>the wedding? Matt, you say that Nicole should do it

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<v Speaker 2>not a wedding planner.

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, no, no, we should both do it. But if

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<v Speaker 5>we're both equally doing it, you don't need a.

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<v Speaker 2>Wedding planner, Okay, But are you equally doing it? Is

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<v Speaker 2>the question.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd say, I work more, she's got more time.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's not what I'm asked on the laptop. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm asking you, are you equally doing it? Your answer

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<v Speaker 2>is no, In.

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<v Speaker 5>Terms of what free time we have, i'd say, ye.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's not what I asked you, because then you're

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<v Speaker 2>just pardoning off some of them, some of the responsibility

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<v Speaker 2>to someone else because you think that she's got the

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<v Speaker 2>time to do it. So my question to you is,

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<v Speaker 2>are you sharing the risk on's ability of the wedding

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<v Speaker 2>planning equally.

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<v Speaker 5>The stuff I'm allowed to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, what does that mean? What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think there'd be there'd be no trust there

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<v Speaker 4>to let me pick flowers or decorations, colors, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Right like that, But it's not something you would discuss together. Go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the bridesmaids, maybe they can wear green? What color all

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing? What colors are you referring to?

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<v Speaker 2>Like the decor in the venue.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, whatever decorations.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you choose the venue together?

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<v Speaker 5>Ye? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And what about all the other plans that you have

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<v Speaker 2>in your life, buying a car, buying a house, did

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<v Speaker 2>you do all those things together together?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? We just we designed and built our house together.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay? So what do you want Matt to do?

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<v Speaker 6>Support me?

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<v Speaker 5>Have done?

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<v Speaker 2>And I wanted to organize it, organize what?

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<v Speaker 5>There's nothing to organize as you lock.

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<v Speaker 6>Them in, like you know when I like doing the research,

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<v Speaker 6>but then as for actually like making a decision, a

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<v Speaker 6>final decision and then have like having the back and

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<v Speaker 6>forth email. Can you get me a quote? Can you

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<v Speaker 6>get this? How much do you call?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you sharing this information with Matt?

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? And Matt, do you feel like you've been left

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<v Speaker 2>out of the loop at all in relation to these decisions?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I feel like we've been doing it pretty well

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<v Speaker 4>and then and then all of a sudden, Oh, there's

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<v Speaker 4>a third party we have to pay to do the

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<v Speaker 4>two percenters?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thanks Matt. So I'm not convinced that you equally

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<v Speaker 2>sharing the responsibility of this wedding planning. So, Nicole, what

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing have you done so far? And what

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing has Matt contributed so far. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to know a breakdown, all.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, So I've done the budget plan. So I've done

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<v Speaker 6>a detailed budget.

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<v Speaker 2>I contacted vendor caterers. Yeah, okay, not a vendor like

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<v Speaker 2>zin you're going to have a caravan out the front

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone can queue up and get a sevlaki. Not

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of vendor. We're kind of going to do

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<v Speaker 2>wood five semi okay. So this is a casual kickup

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<v Speaker 2>with heels affair.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a casual cocktails.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a casual, well planned out wedding. It's very detailed,

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<v Speaker 6>but casual.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what's the dress code. Let's get the vibe here.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the dress code?

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<v Speaker 6>The dress code is like a little bit beach here,

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<v Speaker 6>a little bit cocktailly, but like have a good.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, like bikinis with a high heel. No, is that

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of thing?

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely not cover up?

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<v Speaker 2>What's a beach in a cocktail? I have been to

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<v Speaker 2>the beach in High Hills, by the way, just for

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<v Speaker 2>the record.

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<v Speaker 6>It's cut. It's like in this estate where there's the

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<v Speaker 6>beach down the road and it's a little bit rustick

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<v Speaker 6>and a bit edgy, and it's got like a Byrony

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<v Speaker 6>Bay kind of vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>And will the ceremony happen at the venue or do

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<v Speaker 2>guests have to move?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, there's an open air chapel at the venue where

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<v Speaker 6>we will be getting having a ceremony.

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<v Speaker 2>So you'll have this ceremony there and then everybody kicks

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<v Speaker 2>on and has pizzas on the beach with high heels

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<v Speaker 2>and a cocktail dress.

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<v Speaker 6>On at the venue and not in a bikini. Absolutely

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<v Speaker 6>not right?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you've got musicians, photographers of your organized music music.

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<v Speaker 6>I've been doing mood board after mood board, getting colors, designs,

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<v Speaker 6>making sure everything matches in what's and.

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<v Speaker 2>You're enjoying that? Is that something that you in your element?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel that you're in your element doing this?

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<v Speaker 6>I enjoy the creative side and I love doing colors

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<v Speaker 6>and pitying and this and that.

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<v Speaker 2>So, you know, I think in most situations there's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be a driver. Would you agree with that? Someone's

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<v Speaker 2>got to sort of, you know, manage it. So even

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<v Speaker 2>if you did get a wedding plan, someone would have

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<v Speaker 2>to instruct her or him. Yes, would you agree with that? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Who would do that? Would you do that? Naturally?

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<v Speaker 8>Nicole I'm happy to instruct, but as for like actually

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<v Speaker 8>like making the decision, having that support someone that is necessary.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So if you were to instruct a wedding planner,

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<v Speaker 2>you would tell them who the vendors were, the florist,

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<v Speaker 2>the flowers, you like, what music, the type of photographer.

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<v Speaker 2>So you would be actually giving them the information.

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<v Speaker 6>Giving them the vibe and the tone.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds a little bit like the horse might have bolted.

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<v Speaker 8>Here, no, no, because she feels in the gaps.

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<v Speaker 6>And then she's going to say no, that's a stupid idea,

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<v Speaker 6>or that's a good idea, or you're missing this, or

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<v Speaker 6>that's not going to work, or that's not going to gel.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you want some professional feedback.

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<v Speaker 6>I want the professional. I can't hear I'm a professional

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<v Speaker 6>at that, and someone comes to me because I'm the professional.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what I'm there for. I'm planning an event, or

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<v Speaker 6>we're planning an event for eighty two hundred people. I

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<v Speaker 6>need the professional to lead the way because I've never

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<v Speaker 6>done it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're about a third of the way, though it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like to me when you're planning already.

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<v Speaker 5>Two thirds No. On the day stuff is probably what

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<v Speaker 5>you're concerned about.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's also too on the day, Like she comes

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<v Speaker 8>and runs the day and sets up and does everything.

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<v Speaker 6>So I can just relax and I don't have to

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<v Speaker 6>chase up the people.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't you have isn't there someone at the venue

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<v Speaker 2>who does that?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? No, I'll be there.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're not going to do that, Matt. So you're

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<v Speaker 2>the groom. You've got to be part of the wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there not someone? Is there not a matre d

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<v Speaker 2>or a manager at the venue. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you know this, but I am actually a marriage celebrant

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<v Speaker 2>and I do many weddings. I've done about eighty weddings

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<v Speaker 2>since twenty eighteen, and so I know how these things work.

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<v Speaker 2>So usually we would have someone at a venue who

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<v Speaker 2>coordinates things so that they don't need to worry about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not getting that support from the venue.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think we are, because I emailed and there's

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<v Speaker 6>she was very blasse, and I was like, she's not,

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<v Speaker 6>Like she's not the profession here, Like at least if

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<v Speaker 6>I get the wedding planner, I know that she's going

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<v Speaker 6>to set it up. She's going to be down at

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<v Speaker 6>the Sarah money and she's going to know what I

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<v Speaker 6>actually want or we want, or I shouldn't say I

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<v Speaker 6>what we want, and she's going to make sure it

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<v Speaker 6>goes to a planned The wedding people there just for themselves.

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<v Speaker 6>They're getting their money for their venue, and they're like.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA, all right? So currently your claim is that you've

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<v Speaker 2>spent on one hundred and thirty three hours ye preparing

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<v Speaker 2>this absolutely? Yeah today over what period of time? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it like eight hour days or.

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<v Speaker 5>A bit excess in October?

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<v Speaker 2>Hang on, Matt, I'll get to you, Nicole. I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to hear, and then I'm going to get Matt's feedback.

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<v Speaker 6>Been October since we got engaged. The next day, I

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<v Speaker 6>was on the laptop looking at a venue.

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<v Speaker 2>And so have you been sort of keeping a running

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<v Speaker 2>tally here of how many hours? How did you work

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<v Speaker 2>that out?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm averaging at least an hour a day on wedding stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>One hour a day, yep, whether it's a.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, actually pretty much is my lunch Breakay.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't you spend an hour a day talking to a

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<v Speaker 2>wedding plan or I mean, she's not just going to

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<v Speaker 2>miraculously come up with these or the flowers or you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to talk to it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I have to chat to it obviously. Yeah, we'd

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<v Speaker 6>have to have a conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to come over to you, Matt now, So

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<v Speaker 2>what do you say about the cost? Why have you

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<v Speaker 2>said no? Why are you leaving all this work up

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<v Speaker 2>to Nicole?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, half the value in a wedding planner has we've

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<v Speaker 5>done ourselves. That's why I think we've done three quarters

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<v Speaker 5>of the work.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's because you said no in the first place.

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<v Speaker 5>No, it this was an afterthought, right, this was down the.

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<v Speaker 2>Journey, right that you've talked about getting a wedding planner.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe that. Somehow, I can't imagine that it

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<v Speaker 2>would just be a revelation. Nichole's woken up one morning gone,

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<v Speaker 2>oh bloody hell, this is too hard. I should have

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<v Speaker 2>had a wedding plan And Matt, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>And you said no.

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<v Speaker 4>She had a breakdown after a couple of months of

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<v Speaker 4>doing this, right after booking a venue.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see her laughing. Somehow, I don't think it

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<v Speaker 2>was a breakdown, but go on, oh.

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<v Speaker 6>No, it was absolutely breaking. I said, there's no walking

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<v Speaker 6>down this eye if I don't get a wedding planner.

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<v Speaker 6>I need one.

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<v Speaker 2>So you say it was halfway through Nichole's had a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a break down, so she's thought, okay, we

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<v Speaker 2>should get a wedding planner, and you said, well, you've

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<v Speaker 2>done half or three quarters of the work. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>point now we're trying to keep the costs down. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that would that be fair to say?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? So I want to know out of the photographer,

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<v Speaker 2>the music, the flowers, the venue, what have you done?

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<v Speaker 5>I picked and spoke to the photographer. Yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 5>I did.

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<v Speaker 6>That's a videographer.

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<v Speaker 5>Videographer? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>Will you have a DJ or someone playing music?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we have a we have a two piece band,

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<v Speaker 5>who does a DJ set?

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<v Speaker 2>Who organized that?

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<v Speaker 5>We both did?

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<v Speaker 2>You both did?

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<v Speaker 5>I'll come on, we both picked it.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay. When you say pick, I do all the research

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<v Speaker 6>and come to you with things and then you just go, yep,

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<v Speaker 6>book it after I've done a Will.

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<v Speaker 5>You do all this when I'm at work?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Is this usual for you to to not see

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<v Speaker 2>eye to eye or is this an unusual thing?

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<v Speaker 6>Depends on the topic.

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<v Speaker 4>When it's cost saving stuff, yeah, I push it pretty.

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<v Speaker 6>Hard, and I think just pay the professional and get

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<v Speaker 6>it done.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't want a wedding planet to organize at

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<v Speaker 2>least the day, who's going to make sure everything runs

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<v Speaker 2>smoothly so that you two can focus on your wedding,

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<v Speaker 2>on exchanging vals and having fun.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, if I thought maybe the job of an MC

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<v Speaker 5>could do that as well. All they're going to do

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<v Speaker 5>is point the food truck in the right direction and

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<v Speaker 5>the band and.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds to me like you've taken control of the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing. Would that be fair to say, Matt, that

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole's actually the driver here her ideas? I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>not unusual. There's usually one person who's doing it, and

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's a shared load, someone will take on

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<v Speaker 2>the mental load. Would that be u, Nicole?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes? I think so the mental loads yet, because I

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<v Speaker 6>care about lots of details and things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Matt, do you agree with that?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'd agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the purpose of the wedding planner would be

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<v Speaker 2>to share that load, would that be right?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>I just have that support person that has that professional

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<v Speaker 7>advice so that I know that I'm speaking with someone

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<v Speaker 7>that's going to give me real, honest advice and has

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<v Speaker 7>been through it before, so I know that the day's

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<v Speaker 7>going to be less stressed for both of us, because

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<v Speaker 7>I know how stressed I get in sitch like certain situations.

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<v Speaker 6>So on the day, I just want to enjoy it

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<v Speaker 6>with Matthe you'll not have to stress about anything and

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<v Speaker 6>know that if anything does go wrong or anything, someone's

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<v Speaker 6>taking care of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're saying in your claim you want three and

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<v Speaker 2>a half weeks off prior to the wedding yep, and

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<v Speaker 2>you want a total of three hundred and thirty three dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did you come up with that?

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<v Speaker 6>I just thought it's hard for both of us at

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<v Speaker 6>the moment, like we're both trying and work ours off

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<v Speaker 6>to have the best day we can have. So if

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<v Speaker 6>I can get a week or two weeks off before

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<v Speaker 6>the wedding and that covers my expenses, I'm a happy chat.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I'm going to make my decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Gina is deliberating and will soon hand down her verdict.

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<v Speaker 1>Please do not leave the.

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<v Speaker 2>Courtroom, Okay. So I've had to think about it and

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<v Speaker 2>I've made my decision. So Nicole and Matt, you both

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<v Speaker 2>met at high school and you've been together ever since.

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<v Speaker 2>You both engage and you're getting married January of next year.

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<v Speaker 2>Your budget for your wedding is forty thousand dollars? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that right?

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<v Speaker 6>Which it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye and Nicole, you've brought Matt to me today because

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<v Speaker 2>you believe you need a wedding planner, and Matt you

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<v Speaker 2>believe that you don't and you can do it yourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>I've made a decision, and what I say is that

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<v Speaker 2>you're about I would say two thirds already planned into

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<v Speaker 2>the wedding. Two thirds, and you've got a quote for

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<v Speaker 2>three thousand dollars. So I would suggest you go back

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<v Speaker 2>to the wedding planner, ask her to do the final

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<v Speaker 2>third of your wedding planning, and I will award you

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand dollars towards the wedding planner for that final

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<v Speaker 2>part of your wedding planning. And that's my decision.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the outcome today has been awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so excited now that we can actually like get

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<v Speaker 3>a wedding planner. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's a fair outcome.

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<v Speaker 3>To being that we sort of asked two thirds of

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<v Speaker 3>the way and this is really going to us this

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<v Speaker 3>stuff in.

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<v Speaker 6>Like getting us across the line and knowing that someone's going.

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<v Speaker 3>To be there on the day so we can have

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<v Speaker 3>a good time.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Gina gave us, or myself in particular, what

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<v Speaker 4>I think we needed, and the outcome we got is

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<v Speaker 4>probably what we were after.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel Gina was very fair, straight to the point,

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<v Speaker 3>beck to the fact.

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<v Speaker 5>She was great. I feel like I did get a

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<v Speaker 5>fair trial today.

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<v Speaker 4>She was fair, She did hear us out, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>good for both of us.

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<v Speaker 3>I definitely think the wedding plan will have a really positive.

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<v Speaker 6>Impact on our relationship moving forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Knowing that Nicole is not going to be stressed anymore

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<v Speaker 3>and we can just enjoy the process.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it'll be a good positive thing for us.

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<v Speaker 4>It sounds like Nicole needed that mental rest from planning

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<v Speaker 4>a wedding, and I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>Glad she got at least a part of that. I

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<v Speaker 5>feel as though this is settled and we shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 5>to talk about it anymore.

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