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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and in

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Speaker 1: the studio today we have indeed got the Minister for Youth,

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Speaker 1: Seniors and Equality, Jensen Charles.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Good morning, good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 3: Lovely to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: We've also got the Independent Member for Johnson, Justine Davis.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Katie, Hey everyone.

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Speaker 3: Good to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: And on the line in Catherine, We've got the opposition

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Speaker 1: leader Selena Yubo.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Selena, Good morning Katie. Great to

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Speaker 3: have you all on the show.

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Speaker 1: Now, before we get into the issues of the week,

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Speaker 1: I do just want to mention the fact that the

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Speaker 1: defense yesterday finished its closing arguments in the Matt Wright

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Speaker 1: criminal trial.

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Speaker 3: After three weeks of evidence.

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Speaker 1: Barrister David Edwardson Casey told jurors his clients did not

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Speaker 1: intend to mislead the investigation into a fatal twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two chopper crash, nor did he intend to pervert the

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Speaker 1: course of justice. Now, as we know, jurors are going

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Speaker 1: to deliberate until the verdicts are reached on all three counts.

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Speaker 1: The judge has previously flagged that they could sit through

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Now, if there are any updates throughout the show,

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Speaker 1: we will certainly let everyone know. But I did just

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Speaker 1: want to let our listeners know that that is where

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Speaker 1: things are at at the moment. But for us here

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Speaker 1: in the studio and for you Selena in Catherine, there

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Speaker 1: is a lot to discuss when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: political movements and the current affairs. From the week and

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Speaker 1: this week, we've spent quite a bit of time really

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Speaker 1: reflecting on the colp's time in office as they reach.

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Speaker 3: Their one year milestone.

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Speaker 1: Now, the Chief Minister talked us through well what she

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Speaker 1: feels have been some of the highlights. She says legislative

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Speaker 1: changes and investment into police corrections and the courts are

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Speaker 1: having an impact on crime, with the Northern Territory recording

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Speaker 1: six hundred and five fewer victims of crime in the

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Speaker 1: first half of twenty twenty five. That's a four point

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Speaker 1: seven percent decrease compared to when Labor was in power. However,

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Speaker 1: the Opposition leader joined us on the show in the

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Speaker 1: week to say it is becoming increasingly clear that Leofanocchiiro

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Speaker 1: isn't capable of meeting the promises she made with the

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Speaker 1: numbers when it comes to well, well, adult and child

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Speaker 1: sexual assault, serious assault, assaults on frontline workers, and domestic

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Speaker 1: violence also increasing. Now, Selena, I might go to you first,

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Speaker 1: Why do you feel as though the government is failing

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie, and not to quote leofanochi Aro too much

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Speaker 5: in her own words, but I remember her saying, oh,

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Speaker 5: we'll know when we've made the community safe based on

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Speaker 5: what people say, and people are not saying that the

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Speaker 5: community is safer. That's right. Across the Northern Territory. There

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Speaker 5: needs to be the continued, sustained and long term efforts

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Speaker 5: We all know that. But I think it's quite disrespectful

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Speaker 5: for the Colp government, particularly the Chief Minister, to be

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Speaker 5: patting themselves on the back when there's a lot more

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Speaker 5: that's what they promised territory as they would do, is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is no doubt that there's still work to

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Speaker 1: the week. They did say to me that yes, there

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Speaker 3: Easy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, from what you hear in your electrode, are

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Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing from my electrot is about like

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Speaker 2: And even like I've been going through all the Facebook

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, we've got like so much

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Speaker 1: Justine, what do you make of it all? I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's always sort of I think the thing is with stats,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I think one of the things to say

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Speaker 4: so what we're comparing is not actually the same data.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of comparing apples and oranges. But even given that,

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Speaker 4: some things have gone down. Some things like serious assaults,

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Speaker 4: like how we feel. And he said, none of us

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Speaker 4: that feels to them less safe, more divided. They're afraid,

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Speaker 4: They don't feel like the issues that actually you know,

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Speaker 4: The community are not dumb. They know that's what needs

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Speaker 4: see a government boasting about that, and that doesn't make

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting because you know, I hear what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's really good that you've gone and

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Speaker 1: asked for that feedback from the community as well. That's

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Speaker 3: Finding out what they think.

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Speaker 1: I guess for us, you know, we have a lot

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Speaker 2: I think that's again, like that's what we are hearing

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Speaker 1: And one area where they're suffering is Tenant Creek. At

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Speaker 1: on the show that they need an increased police presence immediately.

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Speaker 3: They've got a real, real.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jensen, as a minister of the current government,

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Speaker 2: So I think over the last twelve months we were

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Speaker 1: You know they're saying they need more policy in that community.

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Speaker 2: Again, like totally agree, Like that shouldn't happen at all,

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Speaker 1: Activity, you can see why at the moment people are saying, well,

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Speaker 4: And I think that, I mean, and if you look,

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Speaker 4: So absolutely these things shouldn't happen, and the same for

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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone saying we don't need to take

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Speaker 4: Escaping Tenant Creek in Greek but not not assault, not

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Speaker 1: Sounds that we absolutely do. Like in Tenant Creek, it

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Speaker 1: sounds like they absolutely do. I mean, Selena, what is

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Speaker 1: By the sounds of it, they are you know, they're

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Speaker 5: And I think that really needs to be looked at.

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Speaker 5: If we're going to continue to grow the police, the

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Speaker 3: Look, before we go to.

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Speaker 1: You, it's twelve months since the election, obviously focusing very

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Speaker 4: It's been a massive learning curve, that's for sure. I mean,

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Speaker 4: And forty eight percent of the territory voted for the COLP.

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Speaker 1: Any big surprises for you, like, you know, on a

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Speaker 4: You're not allowed to have any food in the chamber,

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Speaker 4: And look, I think there's and people often comment on this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you, Jinson? What's it been like this

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Speaker 2: It's been a huge runing for me as being a

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Speaker 3: Outside, Selena.

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Speaker 1: Before I go to you, Jerry Woods just text through

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Speaker 1: Well, we are going to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O, four nines three sixty.

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Speaker 1: Now, I just want to quickly discuss the fact that

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Speaker 1: interesting campaign and we've spoken about this over the last

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Speaker 1: few weeks on the week that was. But the thing

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Speaker 1: that's been interesting, and I guess interesting might not even

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Speaker 1: be the right word. It's been pretty grubby, to put

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Speaker 1: it mildly. We spoke to the electoral Commissioner a little

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Speaker 1: bit earlier in the week after I'd been sent photos

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Speaker 1: of flyers at somebody had apparently, you know, doocted basically

446
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Speaker 1: to change that person's preferences from what their actual preferences

447
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Speaker 1: were in their how to vote cards. Like, I just

448
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Speaker 1: think we've got to we have to have a look

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Speaker 1: at the legislation here, so this kind of thing cannot fly.

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Speaker 3: It's like, it's it's terrible.

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Speaker 1: Why would anyone want to put their hand up to

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Speaker 1: be slanted and to have people making up outrageous things

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Speaker 1: about you online and then you know, not playing a

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Speaker 1: fair race.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and think, I mean a lot of people that

456
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Speaker 4: a lot of the talk around this election is exactly

457
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Speaker 4: as you said, that it's been really dirty, like people

458
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Speaker 4: have really which is not what we want. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think it's wonderful that we have so many people

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Speaker 4: putting up their hand. That's what democracy is A lot about.

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Speaker 4: Local government is so important, it's what affects everyone's daily lives.

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Speaker 4: So that's a great thing. And it's the other thing

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Speaker 4: I want to say is that it's been fantastic to

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Speaker 4: see some really wonderful young candidates putting up their hand

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Speaker 4: for this election, and I'm really hopeful that we'll see

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Speaker 4: a makeup in our local councils.

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Speaker 1: That gives you some hope in the next generation coming up.

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Speaker 1: I reckon when you see those young ones putting their

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Speaker 1: hands up.

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Speaker 4: I heard two young people talk, both of you from

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Speaker 4: Darwin in their early twenties saying, look, our friends are

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Speaker 4: all leaving. We want to make a day and where

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Speaker 4: young people want to stay. You know that that's what

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Speaker 4: we want to do. How wonderful. So I think there's

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Speaker 4: some there's some great things, but I think the level

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Speaker 4: of behavior and the attacks on people, the core flute attacks,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've talked about this on your shop for

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Speaker 4: I think cor flutes are ridiculous. They are an incredible

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Speaker 4: waste of resources and money and it's not something that

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Speaker 4: in general we should I don't think we should be

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Speaker 4: supporting or promoting. But what we saw around corforates in

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Speaker 4: this election was really shameful.

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Speaker 1: So the thing is, like, I because I totally get

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Speaker 1: what you're saying even about the core flutes and even

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Speaker 1: about sort of some of the advertising paraphernalia or not advertising,

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Speaker 1: but you know, the leaflets and things like that. But

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Speaker 1: then I go, what happens if you go to a

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Speaker 1: full online campaign and then we've seen some of what's

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Speaker 1: gone on online and it's been disgusting. You know, people

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Speaker 1: have just been writing absolute miss true it's about other

491
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Speaker 1: people and slandering other people and often not putting their

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Speaker 1: name to it either, which I think if you're going

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Speaker 1: to write something, at least put your name to it,

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Speaker 1: have the guts to put your name to it.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I just I find it really gross.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of young people like then I go, well,

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Speaker 1: what hope do our young ones have coming up to

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Speaker 1: be able to decipher what's real news, what's fake news,

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Speaker 1: what's absolute bs?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. The other thing that I think is really notable

501
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Speaker 4: in this election that everyone and probably said to you too,

502
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Speaker 4: is it was really hard to actually get information so

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Speaker 4: apart from seeing posters of people if you wanted to

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Speaker 4: know anything, and I think people expected more from the

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Speaker 4: Council and the Electoral Commission in terms of being able

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Speaker 4: to provide information. There was there was a case where

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Speaker 4: you know, they couldn't they couldn't hand out, and that

508
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Speaker 4: was you know, then reverse. But I think I think

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Speaker 4: there's something really serious to look at there for local

510
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Speaker 4: councils to look at. How do people find out about

511
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Speaker 4: who's running, get information all those kinds of things, because

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Speaker 4: it's really people need to know how things work and

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Speaker 4: who is putting out the hand to make that what

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Speaker 4: they stand for that right I might take on.

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Speaker 2: This is about like every candidate needs to be respect

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Speaker 2: for each other, and again, like the focus should be

517
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Speaker 2: about like what you can offer and what you can do,

518
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Speaker 2: not about like what others are doing. So I think

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Speaker 2: that's what I always believe in. You just need to

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Speaker 2: communicate with your constituents about like what your plan is.

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Speaker 2: And I tried to stay away from any conversation about,

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Speaker 2: like even my last election, about the opposition position. It's

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Speaker 2: not my business. It's about like I can attack their

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Speaker 2: policies or anything, but.

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Speaker 1: Not totally agree with you. I mean, Selena, what you've

526
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Speaker 1: been involved in several you know, elections over the year,

527
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Speaker 1: over the years, not council elections, but if you've ever

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Speaker 1: seen anything quite like it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie, this has been such an interesting and not

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Speaker 5: always for a good reason election to see with our

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Speaker 5: local government, because local government is so important, and I

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Speaker 5: absolutely agree with some of the comments made by b

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Speaker 5: part Metroc colleagues just a moment ago that you know,

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Speaker 5: it takes a lot of guts, takes a lot of

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Speaker 5: bravery for someone to put their hand up to say

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Speaker 5: they want to serve their community, which are a tier

537
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Speaker 5: of government that is local, territory or federal, and people

538
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Speaker 5: put their hand up because they want to make a difference. Ultimately,

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Speaker 5: I truly still believe that sometimes I may disagree with

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Speaker 5: the way that they're doing that, but I truly believe

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Speaker 5: that people are putting their hand up it's to make

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Speaker 5: a difference to their community and to make sure that

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Speaker 5: they can be a strong voice for their community where

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Speaker 5: sometimes you know, people don't necessarily feel like they have

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Speaker 5: the strong voice. So to see what's happened in the

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Speaker 5: local government elections across the territory, but particularly highlighting unfortunately

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Speaker 5: what we know has been happening in Darwin and Palmerston

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Speaker 5: with councilors or candidates for council positions. It's been quite confronting,

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Speaker 5: I think, and I agree with your comments to Katie

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Speaker 5: around how do we support not just the current generation

551
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Speaker 5: but the future generation of elected members to be resilient

552
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Speaker 5: when they are putting their hand up to make a

553
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Speaker 5: difference in their community, but they or hearing or feeling

554
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Speaker 5: personal abuse, and particularly when it's been these accusations mistruths,

555
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Speaker 5: but for many people, blatant lies and why would anyone

556
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Speaker 5: want to put their hand up for any tier of

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Speaker 5: government if that's what they're going to expect. And just

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Speaker 5: also around the online as well. I think there's huge

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Speaker 5: campaigns right across Australia about online and cyber bullying and

560
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Speaker 5: to reduce that. And we're always focused on our kids

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Speaker 5: and our young people, which is really really critical to

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Speaker 5: ensure that they have resilience and that they can deal

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Speaker 5: with online bullying and that we can stamp out online bullying.

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Speaker 5: But unfortunately, through the process that we've seen highlighted in

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Speaker 5: the terriach around local government election, we're seeing all of

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Speaker 5: this from adults. So how do adults model positive behavior

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Speaker 5: when it comes to online engagement. Yes, you can have disagreements,

568
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Speaker 5: but how do you maintain respect and how do you

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Speaker 5: make sure I agree with you Katie that your name

570
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Speaker 5: is on something that you're going to say about someone

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Speaker 5: and that you take accountability, whether it's online or if

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Speaker 5: it's verbally to somebody. And I think what we've seen

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Speaker 5: is people like to hide behind the keyboard. They're not

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Speaker 5: keyboard worries, they're keyboard coward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree with you. I think that's one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent spot on. You know, we've got to get

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Speaker 1: better with this stuff. And you know, we're trying to

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Speaker 1: educate children on what they should and shouldn't do online,

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Speaker 1: and then you've got people that are adults acting like

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Speaker 1: I can't even say a word that is probably appropriate

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Speaker 1: for on air, you know, and you just think, honestly, why,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Like I was raised, I was always

583
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Speaker 1: raised that you know, if you're trying to put down

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Speaker 1: your opposition, well you're not really you know, good enough yourself.

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Speaker 3: You need to be. You've got to actually.

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Speaker 1: Be putting forward your own you know, your own reasons,

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Speaker 1: your own agenda, your own policies. I believe as a politician,

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Speaker 1: if you your whole agenda is putting down somebody else

589
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Speaker 1: and the individual rather than their policies, then you obviously

590
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Speaker 1: don't have a lot to stand for. But also you know,

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Speaker 1: the making sure that your name's actually to it as well.

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Speaker 1: If you want to have a cracket's body, will be

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Speaker 1: prepared to say it to their face if you see

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Speaker 1: them too, not just online.

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Speaker 4: Now, I think, okay, I just want to say about that,

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Speaker 4: going back to what you were saying before about parliament,

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Speaker 4: I think that sometimes what we see from our elected

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Speaker 4: representatives is modeling behavior that we would not want to

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Speaker 4: see anywhere in the community. It is attacking individuals, it

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Speaker 4: is it is in ways that are totally inappropriate with language,

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Speaker 4: it's totally inappropriate, and people see that and it kind

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Speaker 4: of cracks this enabling environment. If it's okay to behave

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Speaker 4: like that in there, you know, why can't we do

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Speaker 4: it out here? And so I think, you know I

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Speaker 4: said before that guy, I always feel hopeful, but I

606
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Speaker 4: think that the community has a right to say to

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Speaker 4: their elected representatives, hey guys, behave better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah we expect better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, we're going to take a quick break. You

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Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one oh four ninees three sixty.

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Speaker 3: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four ninees three sixty.

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Speaker 3: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: In the studio this morning Jins and Charles and Justine Davis,

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Speaker 1: and we have also got Selena you both on the line. Now,

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about the OC spray rollout.

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Speaker 1: We know it's happening on Monday, and we've got a

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Speaker 1: group of twenty one organizations who've signed an open letter

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Speaker 1: condemning the anti government's law and order policies, including the

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Speaker 1: OC spray rollout. Now, victims of crime, Bishop Charles Gouci,

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Speaker 1: indigenous activists and others are among the are among those

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Speaker 1: signatories calling for the COLP to implement evidence based and

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Speaker 1: indigenous letter approaches to community safety.

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Speaker 3: Now it is understood, well, I've read the letter.

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Speaker 1: It does raise concerns about police public safety officers patrolling

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Speaker 1: public housing and transport, as you know, and being armed

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Speaker 1: obviously doing that. Now, look, there's a lot of discussion

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Speaker 1: about this, there has been about the rollout of OC spray.

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Speaker 1: We've spoken quite a bit about it on the show.

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Speaker 1: I guess, well, first of you know, what is everybody's

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Speaker 1: take on the open letter and on the roll out.

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Speaker 1: It's coming on Monday, It's going to be happening. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Jens and obviously are the cop feels that it is

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Speaker 1: a necessary step for people to feel safe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think again, like I can say about like

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Speaker 2: my experience with during my campaign and afterwards as well,

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of people ask to me about

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Speaker 2: and I think I am someone who advocated for this

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Speaker 2: as well. Again, this is for the people who feel

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Speaker 2: they wanted to have an additional tool. It's not like

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Speaker 2: a mandatory that anyone can have it. And there are

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Speaker 2: clear guidelines and restrictions in place who can buy, who

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Speaker 2: can keep, and under what circumstances they can use as well.

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Speaker 2: And again, like when it comes to any problem, if

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Speaker 2: you're trying to make it against a race or anything else,

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Speaker 2: it's not a good way that we are trying to

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Speaker 2: open a discussion at all because we are not talking

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Speaker 2: about the problem or the topic. We are trying to

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Speaker 2: divert to something else. And this is nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with any race, This is nothing to do with anyone.

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Speaker 2: This is about like a tool that giving to individuals

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Speaker 2: who feel like a thing, they want something additional for

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Speaker 2: them to go out and then have their normal life.

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Speaker 2: And I got like an example of like an older

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Speaker 2: person probably in her seventies, working properly for the last

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Speaker 2: few years every day through Ulagi with an airhorn with her,

657
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Speaker 2: and I think she is someone who asked me during

658
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Speaker 2: the camera as well, is it something that you would consider?

659
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: Because she thinks like, I think that's something. It's kind

660
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: of like giving that additional confidence to her. And again

661
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: like there are many individuals. It's again like it's not

662
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Speaker 2: about like it's going to be misused by anyone. And

663
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Speaker 2: again like there are a lot of things in place,

664
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Speaker 2: and another thing is around like a thing. If someone

665
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: wants to do something, they've got like more gravity things

666
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: out there as well. It's alsis pray is kind of

667
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: like a very small tool, but it is.

668
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Speaker 1: It is effectively still regarded as a prohibited or an

669
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Speaker 1: offensive weapon.

670
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Speaker 3: I can't all have to go and double check that.

671
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: But no matter what, if you use it, there will

672
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Speaker 1: be questions to answer obviously in terms of how you

673
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: use it, why you've used it.

674
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Speaker 3: If you're legitimately.

675
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Speaker 1: Being attacked, then you know fair enough you'd have the

676
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Speaker 1: grounds to be able to use it.

677
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Speaker 3: I mean, Justine, what do you think?

678
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Speaker 4: Look, I think that And once again what I've heard

679
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 4: from people is that it's not They're not worried about

680
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Speaker 4: people who want to choose to go and buy it,

681
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 4: you know, as protecting themselves. They're worried about people misusing it.

682
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Speaker 4: They don't feel like it's going to make them more safe.

683
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 4: I know there's been lots and lots of talk about women.

684
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Speaker 4: I'm a woman who walks around at night and feels unsafe.

685
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 4: I would never have pepper spray, and many many women would.

686
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Speaker 1: I'd have it if I was out early in the

687
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Speaker 1: morning or late at night.

688
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: Just in case.

689
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Speaker 4: But do you know how to use it?

690
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Speaker 1: Well, I'd make sure I educated myself on how to.

691
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 4: Use How would you find it?

692
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: I'd probably go online and watch like a you know,

693
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Speaker 1: see if there's like an online safety sort of way

694
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Speaker 1: to use it.

695
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: Or I would also.

696
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Speaker 1: When purchasing, I would ask the you know, the people

697
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Speaker 1: that I purchased it from as well.

698
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, that's a really that's a really great

699
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: point because when we ask them, are you going to

700
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Speaker 4: be able to explain to people how to use it?

701
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: They're not. And we've heard, you know from the police union,

702
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: concerns about how people are going to actually use it,

703
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 4: the idea of other people having it, you know, and women.

704
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 4: I mean, one thing I want to say is that

705
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 4: this government has talked a lot about this is something

706
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Speaker 4: to help women feel safe. If they really cared about

707
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Speaker 4: women being safe, they would have implemented all the recommendations

708
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 4: of the coroner on DV. The idea that people can

709
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Speaker 4: get it, that they are a sort of these checks

710
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Speaker 4: in place about prohibited persons not being able to get it,

711
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 4: but they're not. They're in real time kind of.

712
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Speaker 1: So do you find it interesting though, that you can

713
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Speaker 1: actually you require least checks to buy a crossbow or

714
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: a machete.

715
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

716
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 4: That's pretty Nazi, isn't it.

717
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So for me, I think to myself, if I'm

718
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: worried about things getting into the wrong hand, so I'm

719
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: actually more worried about.

720
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Speaker 4: That, I don't want any more weapons in our community.

721
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Speaker 4: I can't see that making us safer. Ever, I think,

722
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Speaker 4: as I said earlier, I think there are alternative approaches

723
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 4: to dealing with community safety that we know will work better,

724
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 4: and we know we'll actually bring community together rather than

725
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 4: dividing it. I don't think that this is an issue.

726
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 4: I don't think we as Jenson just said, this is

727
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 4: an issue about race. And the other thing I want

728
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 4: to say is this letter, which is from you know,

729
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 4: a wide range of civil society organizations, from religious organizations,

730
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 4: health organizations, legal organizations like anglic Care, Catholic Care. These

731
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 4: are people that this government should be listening to. And

732
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Speaker 4: I heard you say earlier Jinsen, that you know we

733
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 4: can't make everyone happy. I've heard the government say over

734
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 4: and over again, we're not apologizing. I don't think anyone

735
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: wants the government to apologize. I don't think they want.

736
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 4: You know that your job is to make people happy,

737
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: your job is to make the community safe. I don't

738
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Speaker 4: think it's happening. I don't think this is going to

739
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Speaker 4: do it. I don't think that all these people have

740
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 4: signed on to this again. And I think I just

741
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 4: and I just want to say that the government's response

742
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 4: shouldn't be we don't want to listen to you, which

743
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 4: I have heard your government say over and over again

744
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 4: when people raise these issues. They should it should be okay,

745
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 4: what can we do better? Like why wouldn't you be

746
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 4: listening to experts in the community.

747
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Speaker 2: This is a trial for twelve months, and I think

748
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 2: that are clear instructions on a board, like I think

749
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Speaker 2: what are going to be done? And there is noten

750
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Speaker 2: territory or the prayer, public information available for the people. Leave.

751
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Speaker 2: It's a copy oldest information there.

752
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Speaker 1: Yep, Selena, I'll head across to Selena. I mean, how

753
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: are you feeling about the OC spray rollout? I guess

754
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: you and I have spoken on so many occasions, Selena,

755
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: we know, like you know, you and I have had

756
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: a bit of argi bargie as well over the last

757
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: twelve months about the government's plans and their changes when

758
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: it comes to dealing with some of the issues of

759
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Speaker 1: public safety and crime. I guess you know what I've

760
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: heard for a number of years is that people really

761
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: fed up with the way that labor was doing things.

762
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Speaker 1: Do we all feel that the way that the COLP

763
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: is doing things are entirely correct? Look, I don't know,

764
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: and time will tell, But what is your take, Selena?

765
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie, and that's definitely a fair assessment over the

766
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Speaker 5: last twelve months when things have come up from the

767
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Speaker 5: government and of course what the community sentiment is. And

768
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 5: ultimately our job as opposition is to hold the government

769
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 5: to account, to ask those questions they're still unanswered, questions,

770
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Speaker 5: particularly around the point that Justine raised around what happens

771
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Speaker 5: if someone misuses OC spray, And I think that's the

772
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Speaker 5: big missing piece at the moment. You know, before this

773
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Speaker 5: rollout occurs just on Monday, as we all know that's

774
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Speaker 5: going to start on the first of September. So I

775
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 5: think the government just really needs to put together so

776
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 5: frequently ask questions and answers to try and give a

777
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 5: little bit of peace of mind to people who are

778
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 5: asking the same questions since the announcement of the trial.

779
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Speaker 5: And I think it speaks really big volumes to Katie

780
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Speaker 5: the twenty one organizations who have written this open letter.

781
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Speaker 5: A lot of the things that are in that letter

782
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 5: are think that we've said as a labor team, but

783
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Speaker 5: I think it gives a huge amount of weight and

784
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 5: volume when it comes from those different organizations who represent

785
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 5: a very diverse section of the Northern Territory community. And

786
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 5: I think the government does need to do its job

787
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 5: and respect those issues and concerns that have been rais

788
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 5: and provide some of those answers and provide some of

789
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: the forward planning that they're going to focus on around

790
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 5: community safety. And I think that's a really big frustration

791
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 5: at the moment, is that information and that click clarity

792
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 5: around the forward planning is really missing from the colp.

793
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Speaker 1: Just on the misuse, because I do think it's a

794
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: really valid question. But what I what I am just

795
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm keen to find out and I do need to

796
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Speaker 1: double check this whether OC spray is regarded as an

797
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: offensive weapon or whether it's I'm just trying to check

798
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: with Crystal. But what I did check, or what I

799
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Speaker 1: did see or I noted this morning as well in

800
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Speaker 1: the NT news, is that the ant police arrested a

801
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: forty two year old man who allegedly tasered another man

802
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: during an altercation in Catherine.

803
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Speaker 3: Now, obviously they're different types of you know.

804
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Speaker 1: I don't know whether you'd use it, like whether a

805
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: taser is regarded as a weapon or what it's regarded as.

806
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: But essentially then the police have attended the victim, also

807
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: aged in his forties, had suffered a minor injury to

808
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: his chin and was known to the alleged defender. But

809
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: police arrested that person and charges are expected to be

810
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Speaker 1: laid for the use of that taser. So for me,

811
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Speaker 1: I read that and I thought, Okay, well, if we've

812
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Speaker 1: got a situation here where then somebody uses their OC

813
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: spray inappropriately, I would imagine it'll be a similar situation

814
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Speaker 1: or if they use it in a way that it's

815
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Speaker 1: it's not intended.

816
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Speaker 2: It's katy for to make it clarity. So I'll just

817
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: inform a board, like I think, under what circumstances you

818
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: can use so defend themselves or another person, prevent unlawful

819
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: imprisonment imprisonment, protect property from unlawful damage or theft, prevent

820
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: or stop criminal trespass, remove a trespasser from land or premises.

821
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Speaker 2: And again, like it's using any kind of force as well,

822
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Speaker 2: so you need to use it like a reasonable force.

823
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Speaker 2: And that's if you're walking outside, if someone is attacking,

824
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Speaker 2: there is like a limit that you can you can

825
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: use exercise that force and the police will determine whether

826
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Speaker 2: it was an exercise excessive force or not. And it's

827
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Speaker 2: the judgment of the individual at that point if they

828
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Speaker 2: feel safe and if they feel targeted. And I think

829
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Speaker 2: that's so it used and I think the TISA, from

830
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Speaker 2: my understanding, I don't think it's illegal. That's way most

831
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Speaker 2: likely the is vegan charges.

832
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Speaker 6: Well, look we will move along because there's quite a

833
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Speaker 6: one big thing about that that this lack of clarity

834
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Speaker 6: is exactly why Queensland, who is not known at the

835
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Speaker 6: moment for being they're certainly tough on crime.

836
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Speaker 4: Said, we're not going to go ahead with OC spray

837
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Speaker 4: because we're concerned about exactly these issues, about the lack

838
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Speaker 4: of clarity about what might happen if it's misused, and

839
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Speaker 4: we don't have book for many years. Yeah, but.

840
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Speaker 1: Look, we'll take a really quick break when we come back.

841
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Speaker 1: There's still a couple of things to discuss this morning.

842
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Speaker 1: We always run out of time. There's always no shortage

843
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: of things to discuss right here, I mix one O

844
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Speaker 1: four nine Before we wrap up this morning, though, I

845
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Speaker 1: do want to discuss the situation with our pharmacists. Now

846
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Speaker 1: we know that our pharmacists across the Northern Territory that

847
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: work within our public health system at our hospitals. They

848
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: were scheduled to commence industrial action last Friday. That action

849
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Speaker 1: was temporarily paused due to a last minute application made

850
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Speaker 1: by the Northern Territory government seeking to stop that action

851
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: through the Fair Work Commission. They did eventually take that

852
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: industrial action. Throughout this week, they are calling, you know, for.

853
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Speaker 3: Better pay.

854
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Speaker 1: Essentially, with staffing levels now reaching what they've described as

855
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: crisis point. Alice Springs Hospital pharmacy running at a fifty

856
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: percent vacancy rate, Royal Darwin and Palmerston regional thirty percent

857
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Speaker 1: vacancy rate. Catherine Hospital's pharmacy department is at a one

858
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Speaker 1: hundred percent vacancy rate. I mean, we spoke to the

859
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Speaker 1: Commissioner for Public Employment yesterday on the show. She said

860
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Speaker 1: that she feels a generous offer has been placed on

861
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Speaker 1: the table. Look, I don't know whether the offer is

862
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Speaker 1: going to be acceptable in the eyes of pharmacists, but

863
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Speaker 1: what I do know is we need pharmacists to be

864
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Speaker 1: there at our hospital, ready to help patients when.

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Speaker 4: Required, absolutely, and I think they play an incredibly vital role.

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Speaker 4: We can't be going backwards in our health care provision

867
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Speaker 4: here in the Northern Territory. We know that there is,

868
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Speaker 4: you know, a national shortage of health care professionals, and

869
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Speaker 4: here in the NT for pharmacists, they're paid less than

870
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Speaker 4: they would be anywhere else, So why would people come

871
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Speaker 4: here and stay here? We need to be actually focusing

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Speaker 4: on that. And the other thing I just want to

873
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,479
Speaker 4: say is that in terms of the industrial action they've taken,

874
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 4: they're taking action that absolutely still protects patients and still

875
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Speaker 4: provides patient care. But the impact of it on them

876
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Speaker 4: is that at the moment they're being docked paid. So

877
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Speaker 4: our pharmacists are working two hours every day for free,

878
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Speaker 4: and I just want to say to them, thank you

879
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Speaker 4: very much on behalf of the whole community that you're

880
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Speaker 4: continuing to work for free to make sure that people

881
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Speaker 4: get the medication they need.

882
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I think you know, if they're prepared

883
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Speaker 1: to do that, they are fighting for their rights. They've

884
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 1: they said to me on the show, They've actually never

885
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Speaker 1: done this.

886
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Speaker 3: Before in their history.

887
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Speaker 1: They've never done this in the Northern Territory before, so

888
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Speaker 1: it is obviously something that they feel really very passionately about.

889
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Speaker 1: I mean, so does the government just need to get

890
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Speaker 1: back to the table here with them.

891
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Speaker 2: So we value the pharmacists and the pharmacist technician the

892
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Speaker 2: thing we want to work with them, and the OCP

893
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Speaker 2: Commissionary is working with them, and also the Minister for

894
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Speaker 2: Public Service as well. But what I need to say

895
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Speaker 2: is about like what led to this problem. So I'm

896
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Speaker 2: sure like I think you may be recalling about like

897
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Speaker 2: there was like a pay priest back in twenty twenty.

898
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Speaker 2: I believed for almost three years and all the professional

899
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Speaker 2: stream and the technical stream staff members across a public service.

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Speaker 2: They had like a pay brief for three years which

901
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Speaker 2: was done by the previous government and that led to

902
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Speaker 2: this problem. And I think that led the Northern Territory

903
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Speaker 2: is one of the least page jurisdictions.

904
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Speaker 3: Look, I get that, but it's up to you guys

905
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Speaker 3: now to fix it.

906
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Speaker 2: Absolutely no, I got it. So I think then when

907
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Speaker 2: the issues about like a think when the budget is

908
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Speaker 2: not repaired through almost four years and five years, and

909
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Speaker 2: I think if you want to go straight and increase,

910
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Speaker 2: and that's where the negotiation happens. And the thing we

911
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: know that there was issues with other negotiations and we

912
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Speaker 2: were able to get to a good outcome and we

913
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Speaker 2: are hoping that we will be able to resolve this

914
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Speaker 2: as well. But when it comes to negotiations, always back

915
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Speaker 2: and forth and the or c if he Commissioner is

916
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Speaker 2: taking the lead on.

917
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Speaker 1: I mean, does it worry you though, Does it concern

918
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Speaker 1: you that in the Northern Territory at the moment, and

919
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Speaker 1: across a few different areas of health, it does feel

920
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Speaker 1: like we're going backwards. It does feel like we're in

921
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Speaker 1: a situation in a capital city of Australia in Darwin,

922
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Speaker 1: Like there are services that are being cut, that are

923
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Speaker 1: being changed that people do.

924
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Speaker 3: Not want those changes.

925
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Speaker 1: And you know, you can look back at those last

926
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Speaker 1: few years, but the fact is you guys are in now,

927
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Speaker 1: you've been in for a year, and people are saying,

928
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Speaker 1: hang on a sec we don't want these changes. We

929
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Speaker 1: want to make sure that we are operating like we're

930
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Speaker 1: a genuine capital city.

931
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Speaker 2: I totally agree anything. We want to support the health

932
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Speaker 2: workers and again, like that's always takes us back to

933
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Speaker 2: our second pillar, which is the rebuilding the economy, and

934
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Speaker 2: that's what exactly we want to make sure like we

935
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Speaker 2: are in a better position and we got like better

936
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Speaker 2: revenue streams for the Northern Territory government, so that means

937
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Speaker 2: like we can support the public servants, we can provide

938
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Speaker 2: more support for police, South and everyone.

939
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Speaker 4: It's all about priorities, isn't it, Jenson, Like you can

940
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Speaker 4: have one and a half million dollars to put into

941
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Speaker 4: the prison system, two million dollars for pharmacists to be

942
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Speaker 4: able to provide services to the whole territory. Like how

943
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Speaker 4: come that money is not there?

944
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Speaker 2: Again? Like if you if you know about the it's

945
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Speaker 2: about like not the pharmacists. It's aboard like the professional stream,

946
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Speaker 2: which is not just a pharmacist.

947
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Speaker 4: And I think we're going to have issues.

948
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Speaker 2: We are working through a negotiation process. I can't preempt

949
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Speaker 2: any of those. And I think those.

950
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Speaker 4: Question is priorities in government spending, like why is health

951
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Speaker 4: not a number one priority in government spending when locking

952
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Speaker 4: people up is.

953
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Speaker 2: Again like reducing crime is the number one pillar. And

954
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Speaker 2: I think that's effectation.

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Speaker 3: Health absolutely linked.

956
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Speaker 2: I totally agree health profession and ameters states as well.

957
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Speaker 2: I completely agree what you're saying. But at the same time,

958
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Speaker 2: there are restrictions on what government can do, and we

959
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Speaker 2: are walking through a process and I think I'm hopeful

960
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Speaker 2: that we will be able to reach to that.

961
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Speaker 1: I hope we're able to sooner rather than latest. Selena,

962
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Speaker 1: or'll let you have your say on these pharmacists before

963
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Speaker 1: we get ready to wrap up.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what do we need to do here?

965
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Speaker 5: Thanks Katie. I wish we had long to talk about this,

966
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Speaker 5: and I agree with Justine that health has to be

967
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Speaker 5: a huge priority, and we're unfortunately seeing that this is

968
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Speaker 5: not even on the CLP government's radar. And if we're

969
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Speaker 5: seeing our frontline health staff take extreme measures like industrial

970
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Speaker 5: action and particularly for our pharmacists. I didn't realize that

971
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Speaker 5: vacancy rate here in Catherine was one hundred percent. I

972
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Speaker 5: knew unfortunately it was high, Katie, but I've just heard

973
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Speaker 5: through you that it's one hundred percent. So I'll be

974
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Speaker 5: asking questions around that. My team will also. But in

975
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Speaker 5: terms of being able to make our community strong and

976
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Speaker 5: resilient and thrive, health has to be a priority for

977
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Speaker 5: any government, doesn't matter what politics you are. We are

978
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Speaker 5: seeing the government drop the ball on health. It took

979
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Speaker 5: Steve Endington, the Health Minister, seven months to contact the

980
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Speaker 5: federal government around health scope and the maternity services closing

981
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Speaker 5: at the Darwin private hospital. That is not good enough

982
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Speaker 5: in anyone's book, and the cop has to answer for that.

983
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Speaker 5: But when it comes to industrial action and paying our

984
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Speaker 5: pharmacists who deliver a quit service, particularly in a place

985
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Speaker 5: like Catherine, which is the hub of the Big Rivers region,

986
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Speaker 5: we need to see that ongoing work and respect for

987
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Speaker 5: those professionals. The cost of living is rising, sociould their pay.

988
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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to wrap up for

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Speaker 1: the morning. It has been another busy morning. Before we

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Speaker 1: do though, justin just really quickly the voluntary assistant die.

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Speaker 1: Today's the final day, isn't that people can put their

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Speaker 1: submissions in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. So by close of business today if

994
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Speaker 4: you've got a submission, just go to the website put

995
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Speaker 4: it in. I encourage everyone to let the committee who

996
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Speaker 4: are doing that inquiry know what you think about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, that is it for us this morning.

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Speaker 1: It is wonderful to have you all in the studio

999
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Speaker 1: of course. Minister for Youth, Seniors and Equality, Jins and Charles,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you getting one of last things. So we've got

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Speaker 2: like AIRFLW tonight at the Area Stadium and tomorrow's as well.

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Speaker 3: It's all happening. It's going to be a busy weekend.

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Speaker 1: Justine Davis, Independent Member for Johnston, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Katie, and I just want to say it is

1007
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Speaker 4: one year. We've got three years to go. I really

1008
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Speaker 4: hope that this government into the future becomes a government

1009
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Speaker 4: of inclusion and listening to all the voices and making

1010
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Speaker 4: sure that we can actually build a territory that represents

1011
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Speaker 4: and belongs to everyone.

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Speaker 1: Selena you bo In Catherine the Opposition leader, thank you

1013
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Speaker 1: for your time this morning.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Katie and Go the Mighty Bombers for that good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Good on you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine.