1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Time for the big issues Bradley brought to you by 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: real Estate Central Simon Watch. You can sell your home 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: in five weeks with Simon Watts from real Estate Central, 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: or he'll refund one hundred percent of all your marketing costs. 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: Go to whatsway dot net for details and joining us 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: in the studio. 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: Well, our good mate Dave Tolner, good morning. 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: Great to be with you, Catie, and he has finally returned. 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 3: Was excited the front he was. 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 4: Somebody said to me, they said that was I was 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 4: sitting in one of the shops around the corner. They 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 4: said that was highly just walking past you to go 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 4: outside of tackling, I said, tackle that book, I said, 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 4: have you seen? 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 5: I said, he's like a Sherman tank. 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: Too funny. Well, I'll tell you what. 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: It's good to have you back, match and were worried 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: you may not be able to get here. 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 5: He was going to wear the mask today. 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: He's been asking for you to wear a mask. 21 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 6: Which is a little bit a bit different than I 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 6: can't it's a PG show, this one, so you can't 23 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 6: talk about the give mask. But no, look we got 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 6: back on the Saturday. But do the right thing on 25 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 6: the Monday was pulp fiction. It was pg wasn't it? No, 26 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 6: it was it wasn't It was a good movie though 27 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 6: I'm sure I love that man On Monday when Michael 28 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 6: closed the declared the hot spot for South Australia. It's 29 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 6: the sort of thought, well, mom threw me under the 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 6: bus a bit with the community nurse and then I 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 6: made the phone call and followed up. And because I 32 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 6: work in the health sector and go to the communities 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 6: and just do the right thing and go and get 34 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 6: the test and came back negative. 35 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: So it's the right thing to do, and maybe Glad 36 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: it should have done the same. She's in a bit 37 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: of strife in New South Wales for apparently being tested 38 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: and then well not social distancing. 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 5: Shields sailed through it. 40 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 6: They love her down there, but she know she gets 41 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 6: away with blue murder happy bum but. 42 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 3: I'll call it happy bump. Well it's glad as or 43 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: happy bump. But yeah, she gets away with a bit. 44 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 6: But I think it just I suppose at the end 45 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 6: of the day it's a little bit inconvenient, but you 46 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 6: don't have to do much to get me to go 47 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 6: home from work. So when the when they on the 48 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 6: border mob brang me and said, we think you should 49 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 6: isolate and come in for a test tomorrow morning. 50 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: I say, no worries. I was in the ute before 51 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: they'd even hung up Control Happy. 52 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 4: That's interesting names, you know. I used to just going 53 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 4: off topic completely, used to think about Natasha Files. Tell people, 54 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 4: I said, you know what Natasha is? Spilt backwards? Won't 55 00:02:59,160 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 4: we tell you? 56 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 5: I've got no idea, Ah Satan. 57 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: I actually like to call her organized Files because organized 58 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: organism is very good. 59 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 5: You've got to give a credit for that. Just spell 60 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 5: her name backwards. 61 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 6: I think she copped a little bit of a whack 62 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 6: at the last election. I think she's only about eighty 63 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 6: nine to eleven preferred. 64 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: She's very safe about it. 65 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: Hey, let's talk about about Alan Joyce on the nine 66 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: network earlier in the week talking about this sort of 67 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: no jab no fly policy. I guess you'd call it 68 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: a little bit like like you're not getting vaccinated or 69 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: being able to go to child vaccinate your child. 70 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: Well, look, it hasn't been locked in. 71 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: But take a listen to what he had said a 72 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: little bit earlier in the week. 73 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: Just in case you missed it, take a listen. 74 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 5: Got a new therapy for you. 75 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: Well, found, let's just turn that down because now that's 76 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: playing when it wasn't supposed to before. So I'll just 77 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: see if I can quickly put a stop to that 78 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: and and get the right audio on for you. I'm 79 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure what is going on with 80 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: my system this morning, so we'll stop that one. 81 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: That would have been nice to have a set of 82 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,559 Speaker 4: headphones anyhow, that's all right, Harlie and I are sitting 83 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 4: there stair and in his space. 84 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 5: What Alan just said. 85 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: I was going to actually put a put the audio 86 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: up for you so you could hear it, but then 87 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: I realized the wrong thing was playing. But essentially international 88 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: air travelers will in future need to prove that they've 89 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: been vaccinated against COVID nineteen in order to board a 90 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: Quantus flight. That's what the airline says. So the Australian 91 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: flag carries Boss Alan Joyce has obviously said the move 92 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: would be unnecessity when vaccines are available, and he went 93 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: on to say, I think that it's going to be 94 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: a comm thing. Talking to my colleagues in other airlines 95 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: around the globe. We know that Australia obviously shut down 96 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: its international borders early in the pandemic and those required 97 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: and those required those returning to quarantine. So the situation 98 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: we've got at the moment is people have to quarantine 99 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: if they've been overseas. 100 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: But it could be that you've got to actually get vaccinated. 101 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 4: Really interesting, Well, it's going to be a while before 102 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 4: we have another Bali holiday, I reckon, you know, because 103 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 4: the all the news is a course that Indonesia can't 104 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 4: get vaccines because they're too poor a country, and they're not. 105 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 5: Then we're getting the. 106 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 6: Marshall today, the Premier of South Australia calling on everyone 107 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 6: to be tested before they actually bought an international flight 108 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 6: from overseas to test negative to COVID nineteen before they 109 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 6: even come. 110 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, well over here, because I mean we're. 111 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 5: So how does that work. 112 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 4: You've got to test, then go into quarantine, then board 113 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 4: the plane, so you've got to be in quarantined for 114 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 4: a couple of weeks. 115 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 5: How long does it you. 116 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: You it was over twenty four hours to get the 117 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: results back, and I think they're sort of working on 118 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: that to make sure you can get a more rapid one, 119 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: is my understanding. 120 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 5: But wonder if that's the same in Indonesia. 121 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: Oh, I think this stuff. 122 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 6: Wif in my opinion, I think that people have the 123 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 6: right to refuse a vaccine, and quanits have a right 124 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 6: to refuse you on their planes. So similar to the 125 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 6: vaccines around schools and immunization where some schools and daycare 126 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 6: centers won't take kids that you haven't been given vaccines. 127 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 6: So yeah, I think that I reckon what's happened here, 128 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 6: they would have sat down as an industry, just there's 129 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 6: a few industries that were hit as hard as aviation 130 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 6: across the world. They're a carrier, they link people, they 131 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 6: link people to countries, so you can certainly spread diseases 132 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 6: we've seen from the linkage from China into northern Italy 133 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 6: where a lot of that started the COVID nineteen. So 134 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 6: I think they would have sat down and did a 135 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 6: risk in all or how can we mitigate what can 136 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 6: we do as an industry to mitigate against us being 137 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 6: shut down again next time there's a pandemic. So they'd 138 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 6: be looking at it from purely from a point of 139 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 6: view of taking responsibility for what they are as aviators, 140 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 6: and they basically do link the world. So even if 141 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 6: you have five hundred people on a flight. Four hundred 142 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 6: and eighty five of them have had a vaccine. Fifteen haven't. 143 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 6: You've still got the risk of fifteen people coming to 144 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 6: another country that could possibly spread COVID nineteen. 145 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 5: Ninety seven percent of who won't even know that they've 146 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 5: got it. 147 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 6: Well, look for me, some people do know that they've 148 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 6: got it, and some people get taken out pretty quickly. 149 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 5: It's just sad that I think. It's sort of sad. 150 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 4: You know, like thirty million people die every year from 151 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 4: poverty starvation. No one really cares about them. You know, 152 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: we're not talking about well they don't. I mean, you know, 153 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 4: this is nonsense. The thing is these countries are going 154 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 4: further into poverty as trade reduces because of these sort 155 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: of things. 156 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: We just open up and let everybody get crooked and 157 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: then it's a huge strain on the health system everybody. 158 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 4: When you say everybody, at ninety seven percent of them, 159 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 4: it's not going to affect. 160 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: But with COVID in a remote community, you tell me 161 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: that that's not going to have an impact. 162 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 4: Well, I mean the fact was all of the remote 163 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 4: communities were completely shut down. I mean they're isolated anyhow, 164 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 4: and then they were completely shut down when this COVID 165 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 4: outbreak happened. You know, if they're deemed to be more 166 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 4: at risk than other people, I'm not certain that they are. 167 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 4: There's just this view that are because they're Aboriginal, they're more. 168 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: At risk because there's different situations where there's chronic illness 169 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: in some of those. 170 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 4: Sure you know which people have chronic illnesses and which 171 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 4: ways don't. 172 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: So they can't leave, they've got to stay insight. 173 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 5: Well, you'd protect them. 174 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 3: But now the communities are open verable. 175 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 4: That's what we do as a community. You protect the vulnerable. 176 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 4: Why the hell does everybody else have to pay the price? 177 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 5: Say that's so. 178 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: What to protecting the vulnerable? What would you say is 179 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: a way that you protect the vulnerable? 180 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 4: Well, in some cases where they're really vulnerable, you've got 181 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 4: to quarantine them, don't you. 182 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: So if you're old, you just get quarantined. Well, whether you're. 183 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 4: Sick or not, everybody else is getting quarantined. What's the 184 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 4: problem with someone who's very vulnerable being quarantined or being 185 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 4: at least you know, people who go to see them 186 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 4: have to be tested and all of that sort of stuff. 187 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: If you're vulnerable to diseases, you shouldn't be hanging around 188 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,479 Speaker 4: people who've got diseases. 189 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: Well, the whole point sometimes you don't actually know if 190 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: someone's got. 191 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 4: So you test them, so you make sure that they 192 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 4: don't get in contact with the vulnerable. But the point 193 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 4: is you can't be just shutting down a whole entire 194 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 4: economy because three percent of them are at risk. 195 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: I take Look, I take what you're saying on board. 196 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 6: Some people a consistent message, consistent position throughout the last 197 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 6: eight months of a pandemic. Dave is not deviated, and 198 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 6: that's why we love him. He's not like He's not 199 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 6: like the Prime minister or Nick Xanaphon where they test 200 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 6: the or the former Prime Minister Turble where they test 201 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 6: the breeze and then which way they're kicking it. Certainly 202 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 6: doesn't mind walking into the head breeze. 203 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: Sweden. Sweden still going badly, but the color and the 204 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: herd survival of the Sweden. Swedish minister's wrung me again. 205 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 3: They've told her to stop defending what we did. 206 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 4: We don't. 207 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: Themselves. 208 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: Look, I mean, we can all have a laugh, but 209 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's pretty bloody terrible. 210 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: In some of these countries, there is no doubt about that, 211 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody really knows what is the 212 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: best way to manage it. But here in Australia we've 213 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: flattened that curve, whereas some of those other countries the 214 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: curve is like you know, it is up high and 215 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: it's not going well. So then for me, I think 216 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: as a country, what do we do open up to 217 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: those to those other nation. 218 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 4: To look at Victorias Now, Victoria have just had what 219 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 4: eight months, nine months of the of serious lockdowns. Now, 220 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 4: despite eight nine months of serious lockdown, so the government's 221 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 4: basically killed on eight hundred people. And you sit there, 222 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 4: you go, well, hasn't that worked out well for your dead? 223 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 5: You know? 224 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 4: Now you've got inquiries going on left, right and center. 225 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 4: Their economy is absolutely stuffed. It's cost in Australians billions 226 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 4: and billions of dollars every year for the actions of 227 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 4: what they did in Victoria. And yet eight hundred people 228 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 4: have died in Victoria, you know, and everybody says and 229 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 4: he doing a great job of keeping everyone safe. Well, hello, 230 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 4: I don't think so. 231 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 6: I think that I was just looking thinking about something 232 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 6: else while Dave was talking that often happens. But I 233 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 6: think I think it costs Trump or Trump an election, 234 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 6: I really do. I think that there's a lot out 235 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 6: of doubt. The pandemic certainly not. 236 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: Well, it's difficult. It's difficult to well. 237 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 6: One of the legacies of Trump not only will be 238 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 6: the fact that they've lost half a million people, but 239 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 6: the fact that he actually got one hundred and fifty 240 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 6: million people to vote. So he's that sort of figure 241 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 6: that brought people out to vote. But I think at 242 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 6: the end of the day, their economy was going okay. 243 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 6: The economy's actually spiked today over there. So now that 244 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 6: there's a little bit more certainty around him actually handing 245 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 6: over power to Biden, so I think, you know, the 246 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 6: economy will keep rolling on. He's taken China on in 247 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 6: regards to trade. He's trying to get manufacturing happening again. 248 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 6: But I think the single biggest issue and it's difficult 249 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 6: there because they don't have the same sort of federal 250 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 6: control that we have here. So right from the start, 251 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 6: I thought Scott Morrison showed great leadership got the National 252 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 6: cabinet happening, so everyone was on the same page. Sure, 253 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 6: you're going to have a bit of argie bargie between 254 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 6: premiers from different colors. 255 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 3: That will happen, and it has happened. 256 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 6: But it was all kept pretty sick, whereas over there 257 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 6: you don't have that national control. And so Trump really 258 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 6: wasn't in a position to show the leadership which he 259 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 6: probably should have in the end of taking more control 260 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 6: and maybe put in some legislation around bringing states into line, 261 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 6: particularly Republican states that had a view that you know, 262 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 6: the pandemic wasn't as serious as what the Democrats states 263 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 6: were doing. So I really think in the end, the 264 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 6: battle of hearts and minds, I think that the pro 265 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 6: pandemic people won the day, and I think it did 266 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 6: probably cost him an election. 267 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: Look, plenty of messages coming through on the text sign 268 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: this morning. There's one here just because you're vaccinated doesn't 269 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: mean you're not carrying the virus and can possibly pass 270 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: it on Sare's gazarin palmeiston. Another one here said no 271 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: vaccine for me, not until it's been proven safe. You'd 272 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: never trust a manufacturer to vouch for their product, especially 273 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: if all liability has been taken from them. These pharmaceutical 274 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: companies have killed, nimed, and injured plenty of people more 275 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: than COVID nineteen has says that textus. So some on 276 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: the same path there as you, Dave. 277 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 5: I'm not advocating not taking a. 278 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: Muccine, but some some thinking you know that. 279 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: Dave, having the argument we had in April. 280 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 5: I mean I got a flu shot once a few 281 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 5: years ago in canber One. 282 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: Thing was actually I think it cost me two underboxing 283 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 4: at a flu shot else in the building was free. 284 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 5: You would have been the same. 285 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 6: I lined up thinking it was free as well and 286 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 6: got a bill. 287 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have just suffered through another winter. 288 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 6: With a cold three sixty with Katie Wolf Joyce Maine, 289 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 6: Darwin Electrical, a computer superstore will not be beaten on price. 290 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: The big issues this morning with Dave Tolner and Damian 291 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: Hale in the studio with me, and. 292 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,119 Speaker 2: We might just talk quickly about about. 293 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: The situation that we've seen unfold within the Defense Force. 294 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: We know that the Australian War Memorial is going to 295 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: acknowledge the Brereton Inquiry into alleged war crimes by Australia's 296 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: Special Forces, with its curators and historians to be given 297 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: free reign to address the dark chapter. Well, it's being 298 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: reported in those exhibitions. So the Memorial director Matt Anderson said, 299 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: the institution is a place of truth and while the 300 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of the thirty thousand Australians who've served in 301 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: the Afghanistan War did so honorably and courageously, visitors to 302 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: the memorial would be or would expect the darker parts 303 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: of Australia's history to also be acknowledged. Now we know 304 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: that there was, of course the four year investigation. A 305 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: lot of people are quite surprised by what has come 306 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: out of that investigation. But I think, as I've actually 307 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: just said, you know, we know that the overwhelming majority 308 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: of the thirty thousand Aussies who did actually serve in 309 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: Afghanistan have done so honorably and courageously. 310 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: Absolutely, It's just in a lot of ways, I'm pretty 311 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 4: disgusted by these stories that are coming out. You know, 312 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 4: there's there's very little acknowledgment of the role that Australia's 313 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: military plays and the way they you know that the 314 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 4: good work that they do and the vast majority, the vast, 315 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 4: vast majority of servicemen that we're proud of. But I 316 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 4: have to say, you know, there's elements in this community 317 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 4: that are just salivating over this. You know, the Guardian, 318 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 4: they're ABC. You know they can't help themselves, but you 319 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 4: know they want to always paint Australians in the worst 320 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 4: possible light. Obviously we need these sort of inquiries, but 321 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 4: I don't think there needs to be such a media 322 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 4: beat up on it, and I certainly don't think, you know, 323 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 4: we should be disrespecting our tricks. 324 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: Well, it does sound as though the appropriate you know, 325 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: the appropriate sort of protocols are going to be gone 326 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: through if indeed people have done the wrong thing, which 327 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: it does sound as though has happened industry. 328 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 4: Where you find bad eggs and you know they should 329 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 4: be punished, get on with it. 330 00:16:55,280 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: Well, I haven't read the Brereton Review and probably not 331 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 3: likely to read it. 332 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 6: I think there's still an ongoing now police investigation into 333 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 6: war crimes and the likes. 334 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 7: This was a review, so that now the investigations investigations, 335 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 7: so exactly, we're still a presumption of innocence in Australia, 336 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 7: not that you think it doesn't stop people from shooting 337 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 7: from the hip. 338 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 3: But I think that there's a long way to go. 339 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 6: In this and even the war memorial I think they've 340 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 6: come out a little bit early to say that they're 341 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 6: going to, you know, have an exhibit about this and 342 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 6: talk about it. 343 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: Sure, it's a dark from what we've heard. 344 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 6: I've only been listening to the media on it. But 345 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 6: you know, Dave's right, there's a lot of you know, 346 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 6: ninety nine percent of the ADF people are doing great work. 347 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 6: The sad thing about Afghanistan though, is that now after 348 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 6: twenty years we've had thirty thousand people involved in that conflict, 349 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 6: the US is sitting down with the talibank some sort 350 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 6: of peace deal. 351 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: So you sort of sort of think to yourself. 352 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 5: I thought that was a sad thing. 353 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 6: It's sure, but didn't Wasn't it all about getting rid 354 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 6: of the Taliban? And you know, you look at some 355 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 6: of these conflicts in the Middle East, and you know, 356 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 6: the Russians spent ten years in Afghanistan, cost them a 357 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 6: lot of money, a lot of lives, and then. 358 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 3: History repeats itself. 359 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 6: So you know, it's a sad chapter and hopefully you know, 360 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 6: hopefully the truth. I think as Australians, we want to 361 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 6: know the truth about this stuff, and we want transparency 362 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 6: and we want people held to account. But also you 363 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 6: need to understand that, you know, warfare from the Second 364 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 6: World War, in the First World War is certainly different 365 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 6: to what the Vietnam vets encountered and what people encountered 366 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 6: in Afghanistan. And when you've got urban warfare and you've 367 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 6: got people that you don't you know, you don't know 368 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 6: what the enemy's got in store for you, that's when 369 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 6: people make mistakes. And certainly these guys have made some 370 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 6: horrific mistakes if you can believe what's been said and 371 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 6: if the evidence proves that, but they's still got the 372 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 6: right to innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. 373 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: Now, I want to bring things a little bit closer 374 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: to home again because we did learn late yesterday that 375 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: one of the territory's greatest champions, former Deputy Chief Minister 376 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: and long serving Katherine MLA Mike Reid, has died. He 377 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: was seventy five years old. He was first elected in 378 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: March nineteen eighty seven, and Mike was a visionary Territorian 379 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: and an integral figure during the colp governments of the 380 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties. He served as a Country 381 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: Liberal Party Member for Catherine in the Legislative Assembly for 382 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: sixteen years. It's an awful long time to dedicate your 383 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: life to, you know, to the territory. 384 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, Katie, I got to say, I only heard 385 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 4: about this this morning, and I'm a bit cut up 386 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 4: by it. Actually, Mike Reid was a good friend of mine, 387 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 4: and it was a strange thing. You know, when I've 388 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 4: before I got into politics, I would never have believed 389 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 4: that I would be friendly with Mike Reed. All I'd 390 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 4: ever heard was he sort of public persona watching hear 391 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 4: on the radio and see on the television, and you know, 392 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 4: I think it's fair to say Mike Reid was a 393 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 4: bit of a pugilist and he gave as good as 394 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 4: he got. You know, his political career wasn't without controversy. 395 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 4: But you know, at the end of it all, I 396 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 4: think Mike Reid held himself, you know, upright, and he 397 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 4: was a person that I found an incredible mentor and 398 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 4: a great bloke and a really decent guy, and I 399 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 4: was proud to know him. I'm terribly sad and devastated 400 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 4: that to hear that he's passed his wife, Anne, I 401 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 4: imagine will be hard to console at the moment. You know, 402 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 4: there were such a wonderful couple and uh, you know, 403 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 4: well known to everybody across the territory, most particularly in Catherine. 404 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 5: Hailey tells me that he was quite friendly with Mike. Read. 405 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, we lived in Catherine from seventy five to 406 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 6: nineteen eighty and Mum and Dad were very good friends 407 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 6: with Mike and Anne and he was the local ranger 408 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 6: down at the low level, so he had the house elevator. 409 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 6: Still remember going to his house as a kid, and 410 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 6: so Mum and Dad have remained friends with them right through. 411 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 6: And Mom didn't know actually when I told her yesterday, 412 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 6: so she was quite upset about it because her and 413 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 6: Anne and still communicate today. 414 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: And Mike and. 415 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 6: Even though he landed on the other side of politics, 416 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 6: you know, Dad and him had a great relationship, and 417 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 6: you know, it is a sad day. And Catherine have 418 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 6: had some great members over the time. You know, Fay 419 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 6: Miller's another one who comes to mind, and you know 420 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 6: FA's the mayor there now and she was a member 421 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 6: and down in that area as well. 422 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 3: So you know, rest in peace, Mike reed. He was 423 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 3: a good. 424 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 6: Territory and you know, seventy five isn't that old nowadays? 425 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 6: So apparently he had a short illness and has passed away. 426 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 6: But you know, certainly condolences to Anne and and the 427 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 6: rest of the family. 428 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of love to his whole family. I didn't 429 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: know Mike, but certainly from what you two have told 430 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: me this morning and what I've read and heard, he 431 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: was a great general. 432 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 4: I know, he was a great guys out about that 433 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 4: could be the life of the party, and a mad ornithologist. 434 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 4: Love these birds, complete mad bird watchers. 435 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: Oh, good morning. Well we are going to have to 436 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: leave it there for this morning. Dave Tolmer and Damian Hale. 437 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: Great to have you by particular. 438 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 5: I got to say, great to see the big boy back. 439 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 5: You know what I mean. This character Staff has caused 440 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 5: him so much trouble. 441 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: It's caused him so. 442 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 5: Much trouble to. 443 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: See my mom and mad and Greta. 444 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 5: It's one of the things that I envy you for. 445 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 4: You know, as you know, with politics, it's not always 446 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 4: easy to get around the territory, but you seem to 447 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 4: be giving a good crack now and some of those places, 448 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 4: you know, they're great to get out to, and even 449 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 4: better if you can find a bit of time to 450 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 4: cast a line or yeah that's peg or yeah, a 451 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 4: little bit of hunting or something like that. 452 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 5: You know, really good, that's a good job. 453 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 3: I enjoyed. Going to the Aboriginal communities is great fun. 454 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 6: And you know, going to warm me younger tomorrow. 455 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: So oh well, we'll have fun, mate and we'll get 456 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: to both hopefully. 457 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 2: Or you might not be here next week, Kaylee, but 458 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 2: you'll be back. Dave, he's my most reliable guest. He's always. 459 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 4: But it's always been the case, not just in the. 460 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: Last fifteen seconds. 461 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 6: He hasn't had a go at Michael Gunner today and 462 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 6: that is the best thing about me turning up because 463 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 6: all these people have been ringing me gun You've got 464 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 6: to get back in there. Tolly's just having a free 465 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 6: shot at everyone. He's just flicking mud and it's some 466 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 6: sticking some. 467 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 5: I think I have a crack at just because I've 468 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 5: had a lot. These politics we got we can get 469 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 5: close to get to the news. 470 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: Quick talk to you both very soon. You are listening 471 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: to Mix one O four point nine is three p. 472 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: Sixty That was the big issues. And of course you 473 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: can sell your home in five weeks with Simon Watt's 474 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: Real Estate Central, or he'll refund one hundred one hundred percent. 475 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: Of all your marketing costs. 476 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: Go the Wattsway dot NEM for details. 477 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 6: Silent