WEBVTT - The Snark Site that Won't Die 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.400 Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:11.200 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.800 Sophie Torver and coming up on today's show, Trouble is 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:17.880 brewing for Tattle Life as the Snark site comes under threat. 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.239 But first, Tammy Hembro and Matt Szakowski have reportedly had 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:26.000 a very public spat whilst attending an influencer event at 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:27.120 the Australian Open. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:27.840 Yeah. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.040 So, Tammy and Matt were gifted VIP tickets by Chemist's 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.599 Warehouse and they saw alongside reality stars Callum Hole and 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:38.120 Cahn Ong. So, according to a source, Tammy and Matt's 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:42.280 argument was tense and apparently Tammy was overhear telling Matt 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.880 to get his stuff out of her house. That's pretty 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.520 next level. Something major must have gone down to say 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.279 that in public. Maybe they felt comfortable because they were 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.320 surrounded by other high profile people that they thought that 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.240 the argument wouldn't get out there. Well it has got now, 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.600 and it's gotten out to the Daily Mail of all places. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.400 And they went as far to quote a source within 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.679 the VIP event who apparently said one thing is for sure. 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.200 The Australian Open won't be having them back next year. Well, 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.920 last week we were talking about how Tammy Henbury wasn't 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.360 even interested in the tennis. She said that she didn't 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.600 really want to watch it and it sounded like it 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.840 was quite boring for it. So maybe she was just 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:20.000 bored during the game and picked an argument. I mean, 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.600 sometimes when I have to watch the football with my husband, 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.760 I'm like, fuck, what can I do to get this 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.080 off the screen or have an argument? Well, apparently this 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.920 fight was so bad that Tammy ended up flying home 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.320 to the Gold Coast without Matt and he extended his 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.559 trip in Melbourne partying with friends. Well that makes sense 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.880 because I was listening to his podcast the other day 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:40.520 and he was talking about, Oh, I'm going to this 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.240 Australian Open event and this one, and each time he 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.800 was saying he was bringing his sisters. So maybe Tammy 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.760 was meant to go. Those brands must have been so disappointed. Well, 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.360 these were nine hundred dollars tickets from Chemists warehouse and 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.240 all that they got from it was Tammy saying how 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.640 she doesn't like tennis. And also this huge archer was 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.480 Someone posted an interesting threat in our Facebook community about 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.320 how they've ACKed she'd been put off by the brands 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.720 that invited influencers who were rude and disrespectful to the 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.680 Australian Open. And it's a really fair point because it 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:09.920 doesn't look good on the brand if you are picking 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:13.040 these influencers who aren't even interested in being there and 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.680 act up. It sounds like this argument would have been 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.720 very awkward for everyone involved. Because Tammy Hembro shared a 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.480 photo of where she and Matt were sitting with Chemist Warehouse. 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.120 They literally looked like they were sitting on the court. 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.200 I wonder if things got so heated, maybe the tennis 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:27.880 players were. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:29.120 Like, shun the fuck up, they're trying to play. 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.639 There was glass between them and the tennis players. 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:33.240 Hopefully it was soundproof. 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.119 Well, I mean, since this report, we have seen Matt 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.040 and Tammy posting on social media as normal, so it 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:40.360 seems like it was just aspat. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.440 I don't think this is marriage ending. 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:44.359 Do we think that the argument, I know there's a 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.080 bit of a speculation here, but was centered around the 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.760 fact that Matt probably wanted to go out and party 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.720 and be seen at all of these different tennis events, 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:54.519 and maybe Tammy just wanted to have a quiet. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:55.079 Night with her husband. 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:56.680 I think it more comes down to the fact that 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.200 the honeymoon period is over in this relationship. Well, have 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.720 they ever had a honeymoon period? Because it's been so 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.240 hot and cold, following each other, unfollowing each other. There's 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.000 been so many rumors of arguments and spats. I kind 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:10.640 of get the vibe they're the sort of couple that 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.560 love having an argument because they just want to make 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:13.239 up after it. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.120 I think I reckon, Yeah, because it's exciting. 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.240 And with Matt, I mean, we've already heard him speak 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.320 on his podcast about how his Christmas and New Years 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.400 was a little bit I don't want to say mundane, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.880 but you know, just a lot of family time. Maybe 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:30.120 these arguments injective bit of excitement into their relationship. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:30.560 Sounds so toxic. 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.520 Well, he did speak in a recent podcast about some 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:35.800 of his aims for twenty twenty five when one of 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:37.440 those was getting into reading. 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:39.640 Let's have a listen to what Matt said. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.400 I've actually taken up reading you. Yeah, So I don't 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.000 know if I listened this on the Goals for twenty 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.240 twenty five, but I want to read. So he went 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.600 into a bookshop the other day. Yeah, the kids got 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.840 some books, and then I was standing around like their section, 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.960 looking at books with them, and I saw Goosebumps. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.760 And I was like, old, classic, old fave. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:02.720 Yeah, I used to read him when I was a kid, 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:04.400 And I just picked one up and I looked at 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.040 her and I was like, they'd already taken off. Actually 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:08.880 I was still reading the blurb and looking at it, 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.040 and they'd already paid and walked out, and I was like, 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:12.920 oh fuck, I'll get this. So I ran up to 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.200 the thing, got it. And then I caught up with 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:16.640 them and they're like, oh what we where were you? 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:17.960 And I was like, I've got a book I'm going 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.360 to read. So I've been reading. 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.400 That, so it's a kid's book essentially. 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:24.039 I mean, yeah, sure. 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:26.880 I couldn't believe when he said Goosebumps. 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:28.560 And I don't mean to shame him, because it's great 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:30.400 that he's getting back into reading. And he did make 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.120 a comment about how Willie now as well pick up 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.159 where he left off because that was the last time 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.360 he read when he was a teenager. In his defense, 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:38.800 I wonder if it is a way for him to 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.800 connect with his steps on Wolf, because that's the sort 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.680 of reading level that Goosebumps is at I mean in 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.159 saying that I loved reading Goosebumps back in the day, 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.880 that was some scary shit. All the best bit is 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.120 his mum was so excited that he was getting back 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.160 into reading that she went down to a thrift shop 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.159 and bought him like eight Goosebump books. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:58.200 Continued on page five. 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.719 I mean, I shall just rise above it that this 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:02.240 thing affects me and. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:08.680 Close. 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:23.880 Forty seven influencer snark site tatle Life shocked its users 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.400 by announcing it was closing down due to recent threats. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.440 The anonymous gossip forum, which has been touted as the 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.640 most toxic corner of the Internet, has become one of 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:37.280 the most visited websites in Australia and the UK, averaging 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.000 eighty four million visits a year. Its owner is set 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.920 to be hit hard by the website's demise, losing an 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.880 estimated one million dollars in annual ads revenue. Now, Sophie, 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.960 this story has had a few twists and turns. How 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.359 did things kick off last week? Well, last Wednesday, tato 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.520 Life sentence uses into a spin when they realized they 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.880 could no longer access the website. So the website was 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.960 down for several hours and when it returned, it was 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.720 operating under a new name. So the new name was 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.200 eight Cafe, and many of Tattle's long standing members were 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.320 panicking because they had been automatically logged out of their 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.159 accounts and they were struggling to access the forum because 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.920 they either couldn't remember their password or their email addresses 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:23.200 that they signed up with. And this is because in 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.200 the past, members were told not to link their personal 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.960 email addresses with their Tattle accounts, and that is so 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:32.200 that they could keep their identities concealed. And for four years, 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.640 the website hasn't been accepting new members. The only way 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.560 you can join is if some long standing member gives 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.640 you a code. I often see a lot of people 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.480 shopping around for the code because it's almost like you're 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:48.279 joining this exclusive membership. And in my opinion, this process 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.000 has been put in place to stop influencers from having 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.560 any sort of rite or apply or ruining the forum's fun, 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.680 and I think it's also made a lot of the 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.680 long term Tattle members feel very powerful now. When it 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.760 came to the rebrand, there wasn't much positive feedback, so 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.160 the owner tried to spin it and said that they 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.120 renamed it eight Cafe to be more of a generic 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.360 name because they thought that Tattle was too synonymous with 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.520 gossiping and it wasn't meant to be about gossiping. And 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:19.320 the general consensus was that the new name actually sounds 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.640 a lot like the Hate Cafe, which really contradicts the 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.920 message that the owner was putting out in the first place. 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.720 I don't think anyone has been buying this narrative that 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.920 the owner has been putting out there. And when she 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:34.080 was addressing the rebrand and the reason for registration remaining closed, 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.800 she said, we didn't really have much choice, as we've 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.920 never allowed any content that gets into the gray areas 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:43.960 of harassment and abuse. She continued, where reorganizing things and 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.840 will shortly be allowing new members to post on the 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.760 non problematic threads. I'd like to know what threads they are. 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.480 This is just textbook gas lighting. This website has earned 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.520 itself the title of the most toxic corner of the Internet, 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.560 and then to claim that Tattle doesn't allow users to 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:03.880 go into the gray areas of harassment abuse, it's just laughable. Literally, 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.560 nothing on this forum is off limits. I have never 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:10.320 seen any moderators step in to address any of these 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.360 posts that are crossing a line. Well, they also claim 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.960 that you can report posts, and I have done that 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.559 in the past. I've reported something, I've sent them an email, 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.560 I've demanded people take something down. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:21.760 Never a response. 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.240 Harassment is literally encouraged on this website. There's a lot 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:29.880 of delight taken in scrutinizing women's appearances and their parenting 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.240 and relationships and mental health. And what makes Taddle particularly 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.680 dangerous is that its users are completely anonymous, well just 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.000 like the owner, so she goes under the name Helen, 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.560 it's clearly not her own name. And if you're so 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.680 confident in what you're doing, why do you have to 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.040 be anonymous? Shouldn't you be screaming from the rooftops that 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.920 this is your website. It's pretty obvious why she's anonymous, 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.679 because there would be so many influencers out there who 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.160 would want to serve this woman with cease and assist 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.760 or defamation legal letters, but they are unable to because 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:01.000 of this anonymity of the website. It's quite clear that 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.360 this rebrand didn't just come about because the name Tattle 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.520 was no longer reflective of the content on the website. 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:11.080 Like the owner claimed, this has come about due to 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:15.200 legal threats. And interestingly, when Tattle returned under the new name, 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.960 a disclaimer had been added on the bottom of each 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.160 page and it read all posts are user's opinions and 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.480 does not necessarily reflect the opinion of eight cafe. Now. 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.720 This clearly was an attempt to avoid being sued for defamation, 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:29.880 and it's very clear that more was happening behind the 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.440 scenes because a day later a farewell message from the 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.240 owner appeared. It read farewell. We believe it's important for 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.439 the public to have an opinion on social media influences, 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.680 as they occupy a unique and largely unregulated space between 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:49.679 celebrities and everyday individuals wilding significant power. In January twenty 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.520 twenty three, we closed registrations after too many users violated 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.320 our rules and thought they could ignore them and create 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.360 a new account. As we said back in twenty nineteen, 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.320 our hope had always been that this site would become 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:08.360 unnecessary as governments introduced proper regulations. Unfortunately, recent threats directed 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.880 at members of one of our families have left us 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.319 with no choice but to shut down the site. It 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.240 is simply unfair for them to be impacted by something 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:20.200 they have zero involvement in. It's quite ironic that the 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.720 owner of this site, which literally encourages hate on a 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.400 daily basis, is trying to take the moral high ground 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.000 with this. Now they're outraged that they're receiving threats. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:32.520 There have been influencers that have. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:36.480 Been discussed on this forum that have received multiple threats 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.360 and continual harassment. Yeah, and also to act like you're 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.960 some sort of crusader who's merely been holding influences to 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:47.960 account and fighting for better regulation is just laughable. It 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.920 has always been an unregulated snark site and it has 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.240 been designed to bully and harass people. I think originally 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.240 it might have been set up with the best intention 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.000 to actually hold people to account, but the lack of 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:03.400 moderation has really injured the credibility of this website. Lack 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:07.360 of moderation. There's zero moderation, and I mean, as I said, 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.240 I have tried to get defamatory information taken off that 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.920 site down before, and there is no one monitoring it. Well, 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.280 I mean, I just don't understand how it has lasted 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.840 for the last seven years. And I would love for 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.200 Helen or whoever she is to be publicly named and changed. Well, 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.000 reading between the lines, it sounds like a lawyer or 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.760 some kind of representative of one of the influencers has 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.320 tracked down Helen or Whoever's family members and they've made 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.440 legal threats to these people. The timing is pretty interesting 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.960 because only a few weeks ago we were talking about 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.360 how Zoe Haig was crying on her YouTube video about 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.000 the commentary that she gets on sites like Tattle, and 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.240 she said that she would pay all the money she 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.320 had for a lot of the people who write on 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.319 Tattle to be unmasked. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:53.120 Well, a lot of the. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.760 Members in Tattle started freaking out because they thought that 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.280 maybe the reason it was closing down was due to 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.960 a data breach and that they're in maybe was going 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.320 to be released to the media or just on a 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.840 public speae I saw with Ashley Madison the Daily website. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.840 So it would actually be such a coup for the 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.679 influences and people discussed on this from the unfortunate thing 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:14.640 is there are a lot of people that do lurk 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.679 on the site that aren't necessarily active on it. Well, 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.199 this actually happened back in twenty twenty one, so there 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.920 was an anonymous Instagram account called the Detectives, and they 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.960 began revealing suspected Tattle users' identities. So it was this 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.000 collection of volunteers who created the page, and they said 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.560 it was the first time anyone had stood up to 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.360 the Tattle trolls and people were able to submit details 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:41.000 of suspected bullies for analysis. Wow. It was pretty crazy though, 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:45.280 because Helen kept having to reassure Tattle Life that people 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.320 on Instagram can't use an app to find your home addresses, 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.440 and all of a sudden, the Detective's page just disappeared 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.760 one day and Calen claimed it was down to her, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.320 so she wrote on tattle Life this morning we sent 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.360 an email that was written under careful advice, and shortly 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.440 after the aunt disappeared. So she does seem to wield 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.800 a lot of power. I think a lot of people 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.920 would be shocked if some of the members of Tattle 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.560 were unveiled, because a lot of them would be nurses, teachers, doctors. 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.680 Well that was a bit like that hate page Salty's Day. 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.800 So probably back in twenty twenty there was a snark 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:21.720 Instagram set up purely targeting Sarah's Day, and somehow the 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.000 woman's identity got unveiled and she was a teacher and 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.760 her boyfriend didn't even know about this account and found out, 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:30.880 which shows you how much a lot of these people 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.920 have to lose because these are professional people. But it's 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.920 quite interesting because a lot of tattle users don't mind 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:41.600 going after influencers, workplaces, or sponsorships, like that's something that 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.440 they do. They take it to the next level and 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:47.400 go outside of the forum and start attacking people's real lives. 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:48.000 Yeah. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.280 Well, this announcement rocked many Tuttle Life users and they 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.960 were told the site would remain open for users to 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.840 say they're goodbyes, and this seemed really important for many 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.199 of the Tattlers, who over the years have built very 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:04.200 strong online friendships by bonding over their mutual hate for 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.040 a lot of influencers. One long standing user vout to 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.959 make a tattle Life two point zero and urged users 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.240 to join them there. There was a very mixed response 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.120 in our Facebook community. Majority of the people were like me, 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.920 and they were overjoyed and very relieved that this site 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:23.080 was finally going to be removed. One listener wrote, to 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.120 be honest, I think this is for the best. There 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.640 was little to no moderation on there, and some of 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.640 it was truly unhinged. It wasn't uncommon for them to 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.840 take aim at the appearance and behavior of influencers, children 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.720 and families who weren't online, and basically docks influences by 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.360 providing hints to real estate listings, whilst another listener said 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.120 words hold so much power. People hiding behind user names 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:49.440 writing hideous things about strangers is seriously unhinged. No one 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.120 deserves to be bullied. Look at the rate of suicide 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.920 and the impact of mental health and bullying. I'm stoked 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.080 it's gone. It was really interesting for some influencers in 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.400 our Facebook community to also weigh in, so Britney Saunders 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.400 shared her reaction to the closure, saying this may be 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.120 a completely unpopular opinion, but honestly, thank fuck. I've been 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.720 publicly on social media for over ten years and it 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.240 is astonishing the amount of anonymous bullying that I have 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.600 witnessed and how widely accepted it is even in twenty 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.960 twenty five. She continued, end anonymous bulling. If people want 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.080 to talk shit about influencers creators, whoever, do it amongst 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.560 your friends, or even better yet, post a video of 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.600 you talking about it to your public social media accounts. 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:33.240 Food influencer Leaestinis also shared her personal experience with Taddle, 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.440 explaining she received her own thread just before she gave 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.600 birth to her daughter. She wrote the vile commentary when 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.960 I was having a hard time, literally gave me postnatal depression, 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.400 and the words that those people wrote stuck with me 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.240 for almost two years. It hurt so bad that it 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.200 got to the point where I thought my child was 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.040 better off without me because I couldn't keep her from 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.760 vomiting on my clothes or I didn't look well kept 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.280 The last I read on there was someone calling at 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.920 the time my three month old not that cute. I 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.600 felt sick to my stomach. It wasn't just hatred of me, 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.560 it was talking about my daughter's appearance as a baby. 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.040 It killed me inside and I have worked for over 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.760 a year now in therapy because of it. I actually 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:13.960 had she was going down my spine as you were 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:15.840 reading that our amy. That was my rerection when I 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.600 first read Lea's comment, because we actually spoke to Leah 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.120 at the end of last year on our Christmas series 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.400 and tatle life got brought up and at the time 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.680 she spoke about it, she didn't sound ultra affected by it, 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.400 because I think she's been doing a lot of work 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.960 in therapy, But just hearing her go into what she 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.880 went through, particularly when she only just had her baby, 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.480 it makes me so sad, and I think it is 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.240 a really good example of why that place needs to 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.760 be shut down and why it is so dangerous. 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:44.480 The thing that. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.280 Irritates me is so many members of TAT will say, oh, well, 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.160 the influencers shouldn't read the pages about them, We're just 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.840 holding them accountable. It's like, how is commenting on a 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.320 baby's appearance keeping an influence about it? 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:56.800 Was disgusting. I'd also like. 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.000 To say to some of them, Okay, so if there 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.440 was a whole four that was public, and as you mentioned, 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.239 it gets millions of hits a year, would you not 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:06.920 be tempted to go on there and see what people 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:07.800 were saying about you? 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:08.640 And that's the thing. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.080 In our Facebook community, we did have people on the 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.719 other side of things who were quite upset that the 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.240 forum was being taken down, and that was a reason 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.080 that someone gave. They said, isn't it better the snark 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.800 is on a different page, not in the influencers comments 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.840 or dms, and they said the influencer doesn't have to 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.119 go and look at what's being said about them, But 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.360 I would challenge anyone to not go and look up 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.800 what is being said about them on a massive forum. 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.719 But also, just because you have a thread on title 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.080 Life dedicated to you doesn't mean you don't get trolled 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.880 in your dms and comments either. And I actually think 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:45.159 it's worse to have a dedicated spot because, as we 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.520 have touched on, when the Tatlers heard that the website 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.440 was shutting down, they were fully grieving, like they are 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.960 losing friendships they have bonded over their hate for influencers, 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.000 and it gets to a point where they're egging each 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:00.119 other on who can make a funnier joke and put 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:00.840 someone down. 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:01.439 Yeah. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.520 There was also a listener who said that she was 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:07.000 disappointed that the site was going because she said, personally, 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.720 I valued reading Tattle. It shed light on issues that 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.359 might otherwives have gone unnoticed. For instance, they exposed the 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.480 TikTok family poisoning their baby long before it was in 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.399 the public arena. They also held certain influences accountable for 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.600 repeated racist comments, and I do think that They've got 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.800 a point in that it has shone a light on 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.439 some important issues that may have gone unnoticed, But in 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:36.359 saying that, the nasty, heinous, hideous comments outshadow. 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:36.199 All of that. 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.400 Yeah, and tattle Life isn't the only place where people 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.720 comment on influencers. There are a lot of subreddit threads 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:47.120 where people hold influences to account. I mean again, they 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.640 also involve a lot of bullying, but I think they're 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.920 much better regulated and moderated. Again, I'm not across every 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.640 single Reddit sub thread, but I think that a lot 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.080 of people are like, oh, I have to go on 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.879 Reddit and they moderate everything now. Unfortunately, the farewell was 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.720 short lived. Twenty four hours later, the owner of tattle 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.680 Life changed her mind. She shared a post saying, after 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.919 further discussions yet late into the night for some and 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.679 all afternoon for others, we have decided to deal with 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.720 the threats with legal action. As you will appreciate, we 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.080 won't be discussing the situation as it concerns family members 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.040 with no connection to tattle. All matters are with our 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.359