1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Sophie Torver and coming up on today's show, Trouble is 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: brewing for Tattle Life as the Snark site comes under threat. 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: But first, Tammy Hembro and Matt Szakowski have reportedly had 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: a very public spat whilst attending an influencer event at 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: the Australian Open. 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: So, Tammy and Matt were gifted VIP tickets by Chemist's 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: Warehouse and they saw alongside reality stars Callum Hole and 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: Cahn Ong. So, according to a source, Tammy and Matt's 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: argument was tense and apparently Tammy was overhear telling Matt 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: to get his stuff out of her house. That's pretty 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: next level. Something major must have gone down to say 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: that in public. Maybe they felt comfortable because they were 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: surrounded by other high profile people that they thought that 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: the argument wouldn't get out there. Well it has got now, 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: and it's gotten out to the Daily Mail of all places. 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: And they went as far to quote a source within 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: the VIP event who apparently said one thing is for sure. 21 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: The Australian Open won't be having them back next year. Well, 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: last week we were talking about how Tammy Henbury wasn't 23 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: even interested in the tennis. She said that she didn't 24 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: really want to watch it and it sounded like it 25 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: was quite boring for it. So maybe she was just 26 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: bored during the game and picked an argument. I mean, 27 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: sometimes when I have to watch the football with my husband, 28 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, what can I do to get this 29 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: off the screen or have an argument? Well, apparently this 30 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: fight was so bad that Tammy ended up flying home 31 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: to the Gold Coast without Matt and he extended his 32 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: trip in Melbourne partying with friends. Well that makes sense 33 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: because I was listening to his podcast the other day 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: and he was talking about, Oh, I'm going to this 35 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: Australian Open event and this one, and each time he 36 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: was saying he was bringing his sisters. So maybe Tammy 37 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: was meant to go. Those brands must have been so disappointed. Well, 38 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: these were nine hundred dollars tickets from Chemists warehouse and 39 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: all that they got from it was Tammy saying how 40 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: she doesn't like tennis. And also this huge archer was 41 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: Someone posted an interesting threat in our Facebook community about 42 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: how they've ACKed she'd been put off by the brands 43 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: that invited influencers who were rude and disrespectful to the 44 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: Australian Open. And it's a really fair point because it 45 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: doesn't look good on the brand if you are picking 46 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: these influencers who aren't even interested in being there and 47 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: act up. It sounds like this argument would have been 48 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: very awkward for everyone involved. Because Tammy Hembro shared a 49 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: photo of where she and Matt were sitting with Chemist Warehouse. 50 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: They literally looked like they were sitting on the court. 51 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: I wonder if things got so heated, maybe the tennis 52 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: players were. 53 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: Like, shun the fuck up, they're trying to play. 54 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: There was glass between them and the tennis players. 55 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: Hopefully it was soundproof. 56 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, since this report, we have seen Matt 57 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: and Tammy posting on social media as normal, so it 58 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: seems like it was just aspat. 59 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: I don't think this is marriage ending. 60 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: Do we think that the argument, I know there's a 61 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: bit of a speculation here, but was centered around the 62 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: fact that Matt probably wanted to go out and party 63 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: and be seen at all of these different tennis events, 64 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: and maybe Tammy just wanted to have a quiet. 65 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: Night with her husband. 66 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: I think it more comes down to the fact that 67 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: the honeymoon period is over in this relationship. Well, have 68 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: they ever had a honeymoon period? Because it's been so 69 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: hot and cold, following each other, unfollowing each other. There's 70 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: been so many rumors of arguments and spats. I kind 71 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: of get the vibe they're the sort of couple that 72 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: love having an argument because they just want to make 73 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: up after it. 74 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: I think I reckon, Yeah, because it's exciting. 75 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: And with Matt, I mean, we've already heard him speak 76 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: on his podcast about how his Christmas and New Years 77 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: was a little bit I don't want to say mundane, 78 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: but you know, just a lot of family time. Maybe 79 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: these arguments injective bit of excitement into their relationship. 80 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: Sounds so toxic. 81 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: Well, he did speak in a recent podcast about some 82 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: of his aims for twenty twenty five when one of 83 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: those was getting into reading. 84 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to what Matt said. 85 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 3: I've actually taken up reading you. Yeah, So I don't 86 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: know if I listened this on the Goals for twenty 87 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: twenty five, but I want to read. So he went 88 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: into a bookshop the other day. Yeah, the kids got 89 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: some books, and then I was standing around like their section, 90 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: looking at books with them, and I saw Goosebumps. 91 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: And I was like, old, classic, old fave. 92 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I used to read him when I was a kid, 93 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 3: And I just picked one up and I looked at 94 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: her and I was like, they'd already taken off. Actually 95 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: I was still reading the blurb and looking at it, 96 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: and they'd already paid and walked out, and I was like, 97 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: oh fuck, I'll get this. So I ran up to 98 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: the thing, got it. And then I caught up with 99 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: them and they're like, oh what we where were you? 100 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: And I was like, I've got a book I'm going 101 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: to read. So I've been reading. 102 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: That, so it's a kid's book essentially. 103 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, sure. 104 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe when he said Goosebumps. 105 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: And I don't mean to shame him, because it's great 106 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: that he's getting back into reading. And he did make 107 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: a comment about how Willie now as well pick up 108 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: where he left off because that was the last time 109 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: he read when he was a teenager. In his defense, 110 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: I wonder if it is a way for him to 111 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: connect with his steps on Wolf, because that's the sort 112 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: of reading level that Goosebumps is at I mean in 113 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: saying that I loved reading Goosebumps back in the day, 114 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: that was some scary shit. All the best bit is 115 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: his mum was so excited that he was getting back 116 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: into reading that she went down to a thrift shop 117 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: and bought him like eight Goosebump books. 118 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: Continued on page five. 119 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I shall just rise above it that this 120 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: thing affects me and. 121 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: Close. 122 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: Forty seven influencer snark site tatle Life shocked its users 123 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: by announcing it was closing down due to recent threats. 124 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: The anonymous gossip forum, which has been touted as the 125 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: most toxic corner of the Internet, has become one of 126 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: the most visited websites in Australia and the UK, averaging 127 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: eighty four million visits a year. Its owner is set 128 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: to be hit hard by the website's demise, losing an 129 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: estimated one million dollars in annual ads revenue. Now, Sophie, 130 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: this story has had a few twists and turns. How 131 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: did things kick off last week? Well, last Wednesday, tato 132 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: Life sentence uses into a spin when they realized they 133 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: could no longer access the website. So the website was 134 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: down for several hours and when it returned, it was 135 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: operating under a new name. So the new name was 136 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: eight Cafe, and many of Tattle's long standing members were 137 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: panicking because they had been automatically logged out of their 138 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: accounts and they were struggling to access the forum because 139 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: they either couldn't remember their password or their email addresses 140 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: that they signed up with. And this is because in 141 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: the past, members were told not to link their personal 142 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: email addresses with their Tattle accounts, and that is so 143 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: that they could keep their identities concealed. And for four years, 144 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: the website hasn't been accepting new members. The only way 145 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: you can join is if some long standing member gives 146 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: you a code. I often see a lot of people 147 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: shopping around for the code because it's almost like you're 148 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: joining this exclusive membership. And in my opinion, this process 149 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: has been put in place to stop influencers from having 150 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: any sort of rite or apply or ruining the forum's fun, 151 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: and I think it's also made a lot of the 152 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: long term Tattle members feel very powerful now. When it 153 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: came to the rebrand, there wasn't much positive feedback, so 154 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: the owner tried to spin it and said that they 155 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: renamed it eight Cafe to be more of a generic 156 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: name because they thought that Tattle was too synonymous with 157 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: gossiping and it wasn't meant to be about gossiping. And 158 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: the general consensus was that the new name actually sounds 159 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: a lot like the Hate Cafe, which really contradicts the 160 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: message that the owner was putting out in the first place. 161 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone has been buying this narrative that 162 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: the owner has been putting out there. And when she 163 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: was addressing the rebrand and the reason for registration remaining closed, 164 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: she said, we didn't really have much choice, as we've 165 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: never allowed any content that gets into the gray areas 166 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: of harassment and abuse. She continued, where reorganizing things and 167 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: will shortly be allowing new members to post on the 168 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: non problematic threads. I'd like to know what threads they are. 169 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: This is just textbook gas lighting. This website has earned 170 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: itself the title of the most toxic corner of the Internet, 171 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: and then to claim that Tattle doesn't allow users to 172 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: go into the gray areas of harassment abuse, it's just laughable. Literally, 173 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: nothing on this forum is off limits. I have never 174 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: seen any moderators step in to address any of these 175 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: posts that are crossing a line. Well, they also claim 176 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: that you can report posts, and I have done that 177 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,559 Speaker 1: in the past. I've reported something, I've sent them an email, 178 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: I've demanded people take something down. 179 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: Never a response. 180 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: Harassment is literally encouraged on this website. There's a lot 181 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: of delight taken in scrutinizing women's appearances and their parenting 182 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: and relationships and mental health. And what makes Taddle particularly 183 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: dangerous is that its users are completely anonymous, well just 184 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: like the owner, so she goes under the name Helen, 185 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: it's clearly not her own name. And if you're so 186 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: confident in what you're doing, why do you have to 187 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: be anonymous? Shouldn't you be screaming from the rooftops that 188 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: this is your website. It's pretty obvious why she's anonymous, 189 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: because there would be so many influencers out there who 190 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: would want to serve this woman with cease and assist 191 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: or defamation legal letters, but they are unable to because 192 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: of this anonymity of the website. It's quite clear that 193 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: this rebrand didn't just come about because the name Tattle 194 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: was no longer reflective of the content on the website. 195 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: Like the owner claimed, this has come about due to 196 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: legal threats. And interestingly, when Tattle returned under the new name, 197 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: a disclaimer had been added on the bottom of each 198 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: page and it read all posts are user's opinions and 199 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: does not necessarily reflect the opinion of eight cafe. Now. 200 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: This clearly was an attempt to avoid being sued for defamation, 201 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: and it's very clear that more was happening behind the 202 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: scenes because a day later a farewell message from the 203 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: owner appeared. It read farewell. We believe it's important for 204 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: the public to have an opinion on social media influences, 205 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: as they occupy a unique and largely unregulated space between 206 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: celebrities and everyday individuals wilding significant power. In January twenty 207 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: twenty three, we closed registrations after too many users violated 208 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: our rules and thought they could ignore them and create 209 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: a new account. As we said back in twenty nineteen, 210 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: our hope had always been that this site would become 211 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: unnecessary as governments introduced proper regulations. Unfortunately, recent threats directed 212 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: at members of one of our families have left us 213 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: with no choice but to shut down the site. It 214 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: is simply unfair for them to be impacted by something 215 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: they have zero involvement in. It's quite ironic that the 216 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: owner of this site, which literally encourages hate on a 217 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: daily basis, is trying to take the moral high ground 218 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: with this. Now they're outraged that they're receiving threats. 219 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: There have been influencers that have. 220 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: Been discussed on this forum that have received multiple threats 221 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: and continual harassment. Yeah, and also to act like you're 222 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: some sort of crusader who's merely been holding influences to 223 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: account and fighting for better regulation is just laughable. It 224 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: has always been an unregulated snark site and it has 225 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: been designed to bully and harass people. I think originally 226 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: it might have been set up with the best intention 227 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: to actually hold people to account, but the lack of 228 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: moderation has really injured the credibility of this website. Lack 229 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: of moderation. There's zero moderation, and I mean, as I said, 230 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: I have tried to get defamatory information taken off that 231 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: site down before, and there is no one monitoring it. Well, 232 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't understand how it has lasted 233 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: for the last seven years. And I would love for 234 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: Helen or whoever she is to be publicly named and changed. Well, 235 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: reading between the lines, it sounds like a lawyer or 236 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: some kind of representative of one of the influencers has 237 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: tracked down Helen or Whoever's family members and they've made 238 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: legal threats to these people. The timing is pretty interesting 239 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: because only a few weeks ago we were talking about 240 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: how Zoe Haig was crying on her YouTube video about 241 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: the commentary that she gets on sites like Tattle, and 242 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: she said that she would pay all the money she 243 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: had for a lot of the people who write on 244 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: Tattle to be unmasked. 245 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: Well, a lot of the. 246 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: Members in Tattle started freaking out because they thought that 247 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: maybe the reason it was closing down was due to 248 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: a data breach and that they're in maybe was going 249 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: to be released to the media or just on a 250 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: public speae I saw with Ashley Madison the Daily website. 251 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: So it would actually be such a coup for the 252 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: influences and people discussed on this from the unfortunate thing 253 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: is there are a lot of people that do lurk 254 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: on the site that aren't necessarily active on it. Well, 255 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: this actually happened back in twenty twenty one, so there 256 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: was an anonymous Instagram account called the Detectives, and they 257 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: began revealing suspected Tattle users' identities. So it was this 258 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: collection of volunteers who created the page, and they said 259 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: it was the first time anyone had stood up to 260 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: the Tattle trolls and people were able to submit details 261 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: of suspected bullies for analysis. Wow. It was pretty crazy though, 262 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: because Helen kept having to reassure Tattle Life that people 263 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: on Instagram can't use an app to find your home addresses, 264 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the Detective's page just disappeared 265 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: one day and Calen claimed it was down to her, 266 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: so she wrote on tattle Life this morning we sent 267 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: an email that was written under careful advice, and shortly 268 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: after the aunt disappeared. So she does seem to wield 269 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: a lot of power. I think a lot of people 270 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: would be shocked if some of the members of Tattle 271 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: were unveiled, because a lot of them would be nurses, teachers, doctors. 272 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: Well that was a bit like that hate page Salty's Day. 273 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: So probably back in twenty twenty there was a snark 274 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: Instagram set up purely targeting Sarah's Day, and somehow the 275 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: woman's identity got unveiled and she was a teacher and 276 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: her boyfriend didn't even know about this account and found out, 277 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: which shows you how much a lot of these people 278 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: have to lose because these are professional people. But it's 279 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: quite interesting because a lot of tattle users don't mind 280 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: going after influencers, workplaces, or sponsorships, like that's something that 281 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: they do. They take it to the next level and 282 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: go outside of the forum and start attacking people's real lives. 283 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 284 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: Well, this announcement rocked many Tuttle Life users and they 285 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: were told the site would remain open for users to 286 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: say they're goodbyes, and this seemed really important for many 287 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: of the Tattlers, who over the years have built very 288 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: strong online friendships by bonding over their mutual hate for 289 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: a lot of influencers. One long standing user vout to 290 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: make a tattle Life two point zero and urged users 291 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: to join them there. There was a very mixed response 292 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: in our Facebook community. Majority of the people were like me, 293 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: and they were overjoyed and very relieved that this site 294 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: was finally going to be removed. One listener wrote, to 295 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: be honest, I think this is for the best. There 296 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: was little to no moderation on there, and some of 297 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: it was truly unhinged. It wasn't uncommon for them to 298 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: take aim at the appearance and behavior of influencers, children 299 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: and families who weren't online, and basically docks influences by 300 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: providing hints to real estate listings, whilst another listener said 301 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: words hold so much power. People hiding behind user names 302 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: writing hideous things about strangers is seriously unhinged. No one 303 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: deserves to be bullied. Look at the rate of suicide 304 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: and the impact of mental health and bullying. I'm stoked 305 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: it's gone. It was really interesting for some influencers in 306 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: our Facebook community to also weigh in, so Britney Saunders 307 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: shared her reaction to the closure, saying this may be 308 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: a completely unpopular opinion, but honestly, thank fuck. I've been 309 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: publicly on social media for over ten years and it 310 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: is astonishing the amount of anonymous bullying that I have 311 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: witnessed and how widely accepted it is even in twenty 312 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: twenty five. She continued, end anonymous bulling. If people want 313 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: to talk shit about influencers creators, whoever, do it amongst 314 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: your friends, or even better yet, post a video of 315 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: you talking about it to your public social media accounts. 316 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: Food influencer Leaestinis also shared her personal experience with Taddle, 317 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: explaining she received her own thread just before she gave 318 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: birth to her daughter. She wrote the vile commentary when 319 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: I was having a hard time, literally gave me postnatal depression, 320 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: and the words that those people wrote stuck with me 321 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: for almost two years. It hurt so bad that it 322 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: got to the point where I thought my child was 323 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: better off without me because I couldn't keep her from 324 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: vomiting on my clothes or I didn't look well kept 325 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: The last I read on there was someone calling at 326 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: the time my three month old not that cute. I 327 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: felt sick to my stomach. It wasn't just hatred of me, 328 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: it was talking about my daughter's appearance as a baby. 329 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: It killed me inside and I have worked for over 330 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: a year now in therapy because of it. I actually 331 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: had she was going down my spine as you were 332 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: reading that our amy. That was my rerection when I 333 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: first read Lea's comment, because we actually spoke to Leah 334 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: at the end of last year on our Christmas series 335 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: and tatle life got brought up and at the time 336 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: she spoke about it, she didn't sound ultra affected by it, 337 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: because I think she's been doing a lot of work 338 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: in therapy, But just hearing her go into what she 339 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: went through, particularly when she only just had her baby, 340 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: it makes me so sad, and I think it is 341 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: a really good example of why that place needs to 342 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: be shut down and why it is so dangerous. 343 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: The thing that. 344 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: Irritates me is so many members of TAT will say, oh, well, 345 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: the influencers shouldn't read the pages about them, We're just 346 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: holding them accountable. It's like, how is commenting on a 347 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: baby's appearance keeping an influence about it? 348 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: Was disgusting. I'd also like. 349 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: To say to some of them, Okay, so if there 350 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: was a whole four that was public, and as you mentioned, 351 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 1: it gets millions of hits a year, would you not 352 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: be tempted to go on there and see what people 353 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: were saying about you? 354 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 2: And that's the thing. 355 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: In our Facebook community, we did have people on the 356 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 1: other side of things who were quite upset that the 357 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: forum was being taken down, and that was a reason 358 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: that someone gave. They said, isn't it better the snark 359 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: is on a different page, not in the influencers comments 360 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: or dms, and they said the influencer doesn't have to 361 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: go and look at what's being said about them, But 362 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: I would challenge anyone to not go and look up 363 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: what is being said about them on a massive forum. 364 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: But also, just because you have a thread on title 365 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: Life dedicated to you doesn't mean you don't get trolled 366 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: in your dms and comments either. And I actually think 367 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: it's worse to have a dedicated spot because, as we 368 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: have touched on, when the Tatlers heard that the website 369 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: was shutting down, they were fully grieving, like they are 370 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: losing friendships they have bonded over their hate for influencers, 371 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: and it gets to a point where they're egging each 372 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: other on who can make a funnier joke and put 373 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: someone down. 374 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 3: Yeah. 375 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: There was also a listener who said that she was 376 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: disappointed that the site was going because she said, personally, 377 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: I valued reading Tattle. It shed light on issues that 378 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: might otherwives have gone unnoticed. For instance, they exposed the 379 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: TikTok family poisoning their baby long before it was in 380 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: the public arena. They also held certain influences accountable for 381 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: repeated racist comments, and I do think that They've got 382 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: a point in that it has shone a light on 383 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: some important issues that may have gone unnoticed, But in 384 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: saying that, the nasty, heinous, hideous comments outshadow. 385 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 2: All of that. 386 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and tattle Life isn't the only place where people 387 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: comment on influencers. There are a lot of subreddit threads 388 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: where people hold influences to account. I mean again, they 389 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: also involve a lot of bullying, but I think they're 390 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: much better regulated and moderated. Again, I'm not across every 391 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: single Reddit sub thread, but I think that a lot 392 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: of people are like, oh, I have to go on 393 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: Reddit and they moderate everything now. Unfortunately, the farewell was 394 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: short lived. Twenty four hours later, the owner of tattle 395 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: Life changed her mind. She shared a post saying, after 396 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: further discussions yet late into the night for some and 397 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: all afternoon for others, we have decided to deal with 398 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: the threats with legal action. As you will appreciate, we 399 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: won't be discussing the situation as it concerns family members 400 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: with no connection to tattle. All matters are with our 401 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: legal team, it continued. Once again, we apologize for the 402 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: stress of the last couple of days and hope to 403 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: see you all back on your favorite threads. Please post 404 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: on topic on the threads and ignore the whole situation 405 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: while it's being dealt with as to not jeopardize it. 406 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: The owner clearly didn't like that users were trying to 407 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: start up their own forums, as she warned, promoting groups 408 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: elsewhere will get a ban or posting to announce your 409 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: leaving will as it also helps no one. If we 410 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: ever do close the site for good, it will be 411 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: left live to let. 412 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: People say their goodbyers. 413 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: It really rubbed me up the wrong way how she 414 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: said we won't be discussing the situation as it concerns 415 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: family members with no connection to tattle. Now, that has 416 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: never stopped you from allowing hate towards family members of 417 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: influencers or public figures who have nothing to do with 418 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: being in the. 419 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 2: Public eye being discussed. 420 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: I just hate how she's on her high horse about 421 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: it all, and I really don't understand how you can 422 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: actually seek legal action when you're an anonymous owner and 423 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: you don't want your identity exposed. Because the founder of 424 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: taddle Life goes by the pseudonym Helen McDougall. Now, disturbingly, 425 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: when you look into it, Helen McDougall is the name 426 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: of a Scottish mistress from the eighteen hundreds whose partner 427 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: was charged with grave Robbins and Helen also ended up 428 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: being charged with the crimes. Now, over the years, there 429 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: has been a lot of speculation around who Helen actually is, 430 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: and one widely held belief that I have to say 431 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: is unfounded is that Helen is the best friend of 432 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: one of the most discussed influencers on the site. Some 433 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: other top guesses as to who she is is that 434 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: she either has her own beauty business, works for the 435 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: Prime Minister, has friends in influential places, lives in France, 436 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: has a toy boy husband or a tech with husble, 437 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: or is just an absolute miserable individual that is living 438 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: in the basement of a parent's ha been go. But 439 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: I think that Helen's identity is not far away from 440 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: being exposed. Clearly someone has got her in real name. Well. 441 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: She has only ever given one interview during the forum's 442 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: seven year reign, and that was to lime Goss, which 443 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: is a gossip site affiliated with Tattle Life, and Helen 444 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: described Tattle as a space for reasonable critique of public figures. 445 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: She said it isn't trolling as it gives people some 446 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: way to comment about people that choose to become a 447 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: public figure and broadcast their private life to make money. 448 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: She also explained that she launched Tattle because she said 449 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: so many people were just brazenly breaking the guidelines for adverts. Now, 450 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: the reason that Helen is not backing down and is 451 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: choosing to fight against these threats is because she stands 452 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: to lose a significant salary if Tattle is forced to 453 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: shut up shops. So, this site has been running since 454 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: twenty eight and in that time it has become one 455 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: of the most visited sites in Australia and the UK, 456 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: and starts show that they rack up forty two point 457 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: three million visits in the space of just six months. 458 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: And they use Google ad Sends to place ads on 459 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: the site. Oh the ads are so bad as well, 460 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: Like they're not small ads. They literally like if you're 461 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: scrolling on the site, it takes up the whole window. 462 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: That's why I don't understand how no one's been able 463 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: to serve them with legal letters, because clearly their Google 464 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: ad Sense account would have to be attached linked to someone. 465 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: But it's probably just like, well, Google's not going to 466 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: provide that information. I'm more thinking of the address they 467 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: give to get the ad sense mail sent to you, 468 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: because normally Google will send you an actual letter to say, oh, 469 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: this is how much you made. Well, it'll shock you 470 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: even more because in twenty twenty one it was estimated 471 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: that those terrible ads actually generate Tattle more than half 472 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: a million Australian dollars in ADS revenue over a six 473 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: month period. So Helen is making approximately one million Australian 474 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: dollars a year from the forum. Well, probably more because 475 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: of three years ago, So surely it's only gone up. 476 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: I love in the interview how she said it's a 477 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: place to discuss people who have put themselves in the 478 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: public eye to make money. It's like, well, you're making 479 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: money off this website, so why can't we hold you 480 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: accountable for the views that you have on your website 481 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: that you make money off. 482 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 3: Well. 483 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 1: I also find it ironic that she supposedly set up 484 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: this website to call out influencers who weren't disclosing their 485 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: ads and the work that they do. Yet she is 486 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: not transparent with the Tattlers about her finances. A she 487 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: clearly has her own financial interest at stake here, and 488 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: she is making a significant amount of money for dragging 489 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: people's names through you that they don't have the money 490 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: to pay proper moderators. Apparently, that's the thing that I 491 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: find most shocking. If you're making over a million dollars 492 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: a year off a website, do you not have the 493 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: responsibility to hire staff to ensure that posts don't cross 494 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: the line legally and ethically. I have never seen one 495 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: post be moderated or shut down. The size of that 496 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: audience also makes me feel very uncomfortable for Helen because 497 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: if her identity is exposed and people are able to 498 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: sue her for defamation, a lot of the time the 499 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: figure that they come up for reputational damage is based 500 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: on how many people viewed it. So if you're getting 501 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: forty three million viewers to your website a year, that's 502 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of a paper. It also 503 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: makes sense as to why she's been able to shut 504 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: down attempts because in twenty twenty one, an influencer called 505 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: em Sheldon gave evidence before a parliamentary committee calling for 506 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: the site to be taken down, and this seemed to 507 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: ruffle feathers at tatle life in twenty twenty, there was 508 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: also a petition to close Tuttle, which was signed by 509 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: sixty three thousand people, and there have been a lot 510 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: of questions over whether users' identities were safe as well. 511 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: So she's had a few headaches, but she's always been 512 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 1: able to use the money that she's made off the 513 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: website to defend herself legally. Well, you can see that 514 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: she's rattled because the quick name changed is something bizarre 515 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: like eight CAAF. I mean that highlighted how panicked she 516 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: actually was, the backflip and saying we're closing down now 517 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: we're not. I think Tattle's days are numbered well in 518 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: terms of this name change, do we think that she 519 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: was trying to quickly delete the old website? In terms 520 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: of she's been sued for defamation? Fuck, I better get 521 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: rid of it all. Let me try and get everyone 522 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: across to this new website while I delete all of 523 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: the files from the old one. Potentially screenshots exist though well. 524 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,479 Speaker 1: In Australia, there are new rules that state that people 525 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: who have forums or Facebook communities they are responsible for 526 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: what people post on there. So if someone writes something defamatory, 527 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: as the owner, you have the responsibility to either moderate 528 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: the comment or you could get sued because you are 529 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: responsible for that comment being up there. It's the same 530 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: for this site. There is clearly a lot going on 531 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: behind the scenes that we're not privy too. One thing 532 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: that I really hope to see out of this is 533 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: Tattle Life's owner's identity revealed, because I think that that 534 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: will open up a whole new kettle of fish for her. Legally, 535 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: I think if this ship is going down, a lot 536 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: of people are going down with it, and there are 537 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,479 Speaker 1: going to be members who are exposed potentially via what 538 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: could have been a data breach, and this is going 539 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: to have huge ramifications. Well, that is all we've got 540 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: time for today. Thank you for listening to another episode 541 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: of Outspoken. 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