1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: Lola Berry, author, nutritionist, and yoga teacher join me as 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: we get to know these guests and learn about how 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: their failures have ultimately shaped their dreams. 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry. 6 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome today's podcast with incredible fashion and interior 7 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 2: designer Collette Dinningen. She's also got an incredible ceramics range. 8 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: I learned so. 9 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: Much about this hugely celebrated Australian. Collette has just written 10 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: her second children's book. I read it to Boss in bed. 11 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: It is awesome. It's called Santa Loves Australia. Now, Colet 12 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: has had such a colorful career. If you're watching Tally 13 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: at the moment, you'll know she's on Master Chef, but 14 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 2: she's also dressed so many stars, Halle Berry, Pink, Julia Roberts, 15 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 2: Carli Minot, Cameron Diaz. You'll hear us unpack a few 16 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: fun stories about Pink and Halle Berry. I was like, no, 17 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: that's amazing, So you'll hear me like goof out over 18 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: all the fashion, nerdy things. 19 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: Collette was kind enough to let us record it. 20 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: A beautiful home in Bowel and I just I found 21 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: this really inspiring. I love being around creative people, and 22 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: Collette is super, super creative, super inspiring. Please welcome the 23 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: wonderful collect Dinningen. 24 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: Collettenningen. 25 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: You have done so many things, my friend, that I've 26 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: had to make five pages of notes to figure out 27 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: what order we speaking. 28 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: Oh God, you can remind me. Then I want to start. 29 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: So I want to start with fashion because before the 30 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: age of thirty you had achieved so much in Paris 31 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: as well. And then I heard in a so before 32 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety five you were the first Australian. 33 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: To have ready to wear. 34 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: In Paris and then invited the next year to be 35 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: Paris Fashion Week. 36 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: Is that right? 37 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 3: Yes? 38 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: Yes, and you've since done thirty six shows in Paris. 39 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 3: Yes, in Paris. 40 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 2: That's mental exciting and phenomenal, but in incredible. And I've 41 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: done a stalk. I should have prefaced, I virgo. So 42 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: I really researched very heavily. But there's these amazing YouTube 43 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: videos of you and behind the scenes Paris Fashion Week, 44 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: and mate, it. 45 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: Looks fast, like really fast? 46 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: Is it? 47 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: Full on? 48 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? It is, and I think, especially as you know 49 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: after the first show was kind of like Master Sheffer 50 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 3: didn't know what I was getting myself in for. But 51 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: then second third, fourth that it sort of really builds up, 52 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 3: and the show has become bigger and they're more professional, 53 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: and the crews get bigger, and so the intensity is 54 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 3: also greater, and it all builds, I guess at the 55 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: same time, and also the pressure to deliver more because 56 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 3: it's sort of like they always want better. Yoh, the 57 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 3: audience always wants better. The press want better, they want 58 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: a story, they want something, and yet they want the 59 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: same brand, but it's got to be different to news. 60 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: So I think that's always the hardest stress for me 61 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 3: is having to deliver something even better than the last show. Totally. 62 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: So back like when fashion was your life, because now 63 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: you've done so many other things interior, I've just been 64 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: googling at your amazing ceramics. But when it was fashion, 65 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: your life is super super like you were all over 66 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: the world, traveling, very almost nomadic, and you had stores 67 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: all over the world. Right, Yeah, was that like a 68 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: day in the life. He was, like, I could be 69 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: in New York, I could be in. 70 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: La Yes, it was. It was interesting actually, because I 71 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: was often asked to do you know, a day in 72 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 3: the life of and I thought, well, what can I 73 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: say it and write it? People go that, of course 74 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: that's not true. She's just trying to make it sound 75 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: like more than it is. So I'd always pair it back. 76 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: But I would be up early. I'd be especially if 77 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: I was in Paris. I'd be on the phone to 78 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: Australia for five o'clock in the morning, and then i'd 79 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 3: try and go for a run before the day and 80 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: i'd just be a meetings, castings, pittings. Every single minute 81 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: of my day was taken until about ten eleven o'clock 82 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: at night, and then of course back on the phone 83 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: to Australia again. Or I would be in London, you know, 84 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: on the phone traveling to New York doing trunk shows. 85 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: Everything was on the run. 86 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: I love it, like I'm sorry, I'm a travel nerd, 87 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: so I love hearing this. And then with your daughter Estella, 88 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: you were bringing her around, weren't you when you were 89 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: a young mom likes taking her. 90 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: Everywhere, traveling with her. 91 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 3: I think before she had to sort of stay in school, 92 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: which would have been about six the age of six, 93 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: she had done about nineteen twenty trips to Paris with me. 94 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 3: She spent a lot of time in London with me. 95 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 3: She went to India a lot, to Asia, to China, 96 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 3: our Hong Kong. So she was always by my side 97 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 3: and it was great because I, you know, being a 98 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: single mom in those early days, I think was in 99 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 3: a way easier because I was in control of having 100 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: her by my side and what she was doing and 101 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 3: the entertainment and you know was and I couldn't have 102 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 3: worked so hard and left her behind. It would have 103 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 3: just not it wouldn't have worked for me. 104 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 1: I love. 105 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: I feel like you're someone the just marches to the 106 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 2: beat of their own drum. And I love the way 107 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: you're like, Yep, I'm gonna make it work. 108 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to be a super mom. I'm gonna And. 109 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 2: There are so many things I want to ask you about. 110 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: But there's going to be so many moments where you 111 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: would have been pinch yourself moments. And I know there 112 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: would have been so many, even like getting the Order 113 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 2: of Australia, getting your face on a postal stamp, but 114 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: there are. 115 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: So many crazy moments. But in the fashion. 116 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: World, were there moments where you were like, how did 117 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: this just have? Was it like when Cyndy Crawford bought 118 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: your first piece at was it Barna? You know, were 119 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 2: there those kind of moments where you were like, pinch me, 120 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: how is this happening? 121 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's one of them. Was when I 122 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 3: got the cover of Women's Wear Daily, which is kind 123 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: of a fashion bible, I guess for the fashion world, 124 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 3: and it was always for appetizers, and they did a 125 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 3: double page story with a new It was with oh 126 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 3: I can't remember his name. He became the editor of 127 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 3: another magazine, but it was back in the early days, 128 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 3: and they were so excited because I think when I 129 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: first started, fashion was very androgynists. It was very much 130 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: about the Belgium designers who did an amazing job, and 131 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 3: so I came along with very you know, underwear as 132 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: outerwear really with lots of slips and layers and everything 133 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 3: was very feminine but young and edgy. So it was 134 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: I think, I mean, a breath of fresh air for 135 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: a lot of the fashionists out there with the journalists 136 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: because like lace especially traditionally was sort of more for 137 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 3: evening or lingerie, whereas I took it to an outerwear 138 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 3: level where it was kind of you know, wearing a 139 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 3: suit with a cool little lace. Camas Sola had that 140 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: retro kind of coolness to it rather than being all lace. 141 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 2: I love that because it was lingerie where you've begun 142 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: with your own designs. Yeah, and then moved into more 143 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: ready to wear, and then the bridal stuff. 144 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: There's what I know. I know there was like the 145 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 3: bridles of lingerie. The ready to wear. We did children's 146 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: on font label I did. Then I did a what's 147 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 3: it called diffusion label collect by Collete Denegan. So there 148 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: was so many end swimwear. There were so many different labels, 149 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: but it was our customer was the one who and 150 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: even shoes actually had it. Shoes I worked with a 151 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: factory in Italy, but it was our customer who asked, 152 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: why don't you do shoes. I'd love you to do 153 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 3: just a swimwear piece, just like that body suit, you know, 154 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 3: the one that's kind of full, you're not, oh okay, 155 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: And then the girls in the shop would get very excited, 156 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: come on, come please, just 's do a swimwear line. 157 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 3: You know, beat its side so you know how you 158 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: do that? And then here I am doing a swimwhear line. 159 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: So everything just kept on adding and was kind of 160 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,239 Speaker 3: growing at a very rapid rate. But it was fun 161 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: and I love that development stage of an idea and 162 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: making it, you know, realizing it. 163 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: I feel like you have. 164 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: This perfect combo of creativity but also business smarts. And 165 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: I have heard you say that you've been able to 166 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: read the market really well and being like, Okay, it's 167 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: time for Collect by Collet dinner again, because I need 168 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: to be able to hit the market and different like 169 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: you've got this beautiful which is quite rare because I 170 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: think a lot of designers, especially young designers, are like 171 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: I've got the creativity, you know, and I've got this passion, 172 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: but like to have the follow through for that, you 173 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: need your kind of brain. You need that business. Know 174 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: how has there been a moment where you've kind of 175 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: been like, Okay, you're reading the play, you're reading the market, 176 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: and you're like, it's time for me to focus on 177 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: Swim or it's time for me to focus on collect 178 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: by Collecting again. 179 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: You know. Well, I think collect by Collet Dinningen came 180 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: about especially was the time when the Layman Brothers and 181 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 3: that whole the stock market was collapsing in the banking world, 182 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: and you know, a lot of our customers were in 183 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: Nordstroms or Barneyese Burkedofs, and so they stopped buying evening 184 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 3: cocktail dresses and that's predominantly what those stores would buy 185 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: in America. And I also there was also a time 186 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 3: too because a lot of the mothers that were wearing 187 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 3: because at the stage, I guess I'm twenty years into 188 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: my career or fifteen, and a lot of them, my 189 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: original customers started having daughters, and the daughters were wearing 190 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: their clothes, but they kind of need to be a 191 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: bit shorter, or a bit younger, or not so expensive. 192 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: So I started, I guess, selling doing a collection for 193 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 3: the daughters of the mothers. So it was, you know, 194 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: and it it just felt organic and natural, and I 195 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: think things need to be because if you don't know 196 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: the territory and it's too contrived and you can't read it, 197 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: you can't work with instinct. So that's why I always believe, 198 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 3: you know, work with instinct. And it's true too because 199 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: you know, a lot of students did used to come 200 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 3: through the work experience once and all they wanted to 201 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: do was meet the celebrities and they're design design, design, 202 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: And I think true designers don't see themselves as designers. 203 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 3: I never thought I was that talented, to be honest. 204 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: It's more about detail and knowing proportion and seeing something 205 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: and the craft of it and understanding how to execute 206 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 3: it or how to paint or draw or what colors 207 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: work together. And it become a mental and a visual 208 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 3: sort of state and how you balance those together. It's 209 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 3: not about where you end up as a person or 210 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 3: how you get recognized for it. 211 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: I love that. 212 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 2: I love that you said about it's like building your craft. 213 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: I train in acting and everyone says, every teacher says, 214 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: you have to build the craft. Without the craft, you're 215 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: in it for the wrong reasons and you. 216 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 3: Need to be able to you know, if a machinists 217 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: con't to a proper French seam or work with the fabric, 218 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: you need to be able to get onto a sewing 219 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 3: machine and say this is how you do it when 220 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: they say, oh, it can't be done. Or when you're 221 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: draping in a pattern you want the perfect bias cut dress, 222 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: but you don't want to show you a little tiny 223 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 3: bit of your stomach. You have to know that you 224 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 3: put an inch of ease up through the side, so 225 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: the pattern's bigger on one side or a different part 226 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 3: of the grain of the fabric, And that comes down 227 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 3: to you experience working with like it's mature in a way. 228 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 3: And where I trained in New Zealand, we spend so 229 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: much time with the boring mass of pattern making. But 230 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: once you start to see what it can do, you 231 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: understand that experience in the layers is what's what makes 232 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: it great dress and at attention to detail. And it's 233 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 3: not mass market. And I think, as you said, it's 234 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: true of any craft, even gardeners. You know, you can 235 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 3: study horticulture as much as. 236 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: You want, like the gardener. 237 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 3: You know, I love garden, but gosh, look, could need 238 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 3: so much work with all the rain. 239 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, it's beautiful. 240 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: I also heard that you kind of had a starting 241 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: at ABC in the was it the costume. 242 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: Book, the costume department? It was? Now I started. I 243 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 3: worked in the ABC costume department for quite a few 244 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 3: years actually, and I started on a show called Wind 245 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 3: in the Stars. It was a period fun. Yeah, it 246 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: was great. So I learned how to make all those 247 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: amazing kind of buttonholes, handmade key holes and jetted little 248 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 3: welted pockets, and but the old way, so everything was 249 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: by hand because it had to be authentic. And we're 250 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,479 Speaker 3: back in the day where there were the great costume departments, 251 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 3: you know, whether it's Opera Australia or the ABC costume department, 252 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: and so we worked together on distressing clothes on. So 253 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: I learned so much there that I actually applied to fashion. 254 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: And then I can remember doing another show there called 255 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 3: Oh it was a political satire with Oh my goodness 256 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,599 Speaker 3: you possibly may or may not remember, but it was 257 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 3: always it was about what happened in the news the 258 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: night before, and so we had like animal Parliament, you know, 259 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: and one of our leaders would be kind of the 260 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 3: cocktoo today, or somebody else would be the kangaroos sitting 261 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: at the table, and depending on what happened in the 262 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 3: news is what would happen. And I would have to 263 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: get the clothes together with no budget, so I'd be 264 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: running to garden centers. You know, you're either going to 265 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 3: be a leaf or a tree today in plastic ivy, 266 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: or you know, I need to find some bee and 267 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 3: put a lot of feathers on top. Or it's Marti 268 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 3: gra and we're looking for pink and Berkeley it was, 269 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: and that was another great show to work on too, 270 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: So it was you know, it was it was those 271 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: were the days where you could learn and you could 272 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: have assistance, and it was a lot of that's been 273 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 3: taken away with the digital world, I think. 274 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. 275 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: And well there's that fast, that real fast fashion feel 276 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: as well that you can sometimes get through the influencer 277 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 2: digital space. 278 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I know. 279 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: You're not into the celebrity. 280 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: Know we were saying about it's more about the craft 281 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: than the celebrity or the stardom. 282 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: But you have dressed, my friend. 283 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: I've got a massive list of all the people that 284 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: have worn your creations and we're talking royalty here, but 285 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: we've got Pink, Madonna, Julia Roberts, Angelina, Jolly, Beyonce, Cameron Diaz. 286 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: Do you want me to just keep going because we 287 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: could go all day. 288 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: But I listened to the incredible Halle Berry's story on 289 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 2: Sam's podcast and I was like, oh my goodness. But 290 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 2: our mutual friend Jane said, do you have a wonderful 291 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: story about Pink? 292 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: Oh? Okay, Roger yes, her man of her managers Australian, 293 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: and I was stressing her because we had different right 294 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 3: in those early days I'd started with PR companies, I guess, 295 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 3: but because we weren't advertising brands, we didn't have that 296 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 3: kind of thing. It was the early days of when 297 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: stylists would come and to borrow clothes and they would 298 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: dress them and they'd return them. And I was with 299 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: Purple PR I think in London, their first client, and 300 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 3: Bianko Jagger myself. Actually she did a jewelry collection. I 301 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 3: did my now fantastic and they had lent some dresses 302 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: to Pink I think for the New York MTV Awards 303 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: or something similar. I'm not very good in all of that. 304 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 3: And she wore a long beaded dress and she had 305 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 3: a short hair, and she got Best Dressed and she said, 306 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: I have never been on a best dress list. I've 307 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 3: always been on the worst dressed. She said, I have 308 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: to go and see Collect Dinningan and get her to 309 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 3: make some clothes for me for my tour. So she 310 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 3: flew to Australia and we made a whole lot of 311 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 3: clothes from her from the collection, and she went on 312 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: tour wearing Collect Dinnigan. 313 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: What a perfect thing, because I feel like Pink has 314 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: such an affinity for Australia, like loves her tour, but 315 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: there's this love for Australia, you know, I have to 316 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: ask you to share the halle Berry. So that was 317 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: too good, like just a wonderful story. 318 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: Oh gosh. That was when I can remember first moving 319 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: into I'll make it the shortened first moving to a 320 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: house with the sella's father, Richard, and we had you know, 321 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: it was that kind of thing where everything's in bags 322 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: and you're unpacking suitcases and boxes and you're trying to 323 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 3: kind of get your house ready so at least you 324 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: can cook that first night, you'll get takeaways and get 325 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: a glass of wine or something. And we went to 326 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: the supermarket. We're doing the shop and I can remember 327 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: the phone constantly ringing. It was one of those big, heavy, 328 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: old Knockio mobiles and I we're in the toilet paper 329 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 3: section and we're talking about what toilet and he's going 330 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: choosing the toilet the shells or something, and I'm like, 331 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: I don't like playing on and I kept from thinking 332 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: I should know then you know, you come to those 333 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know if that's right. I 334 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 3: can't remember. But anyway, the stylist Philip Block, who's a 335 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: gorgeous guy, and Ali was like, please, Cally Berry wants 336 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: to stress for her premiere Die another day. I know 337 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 3: it's going to be perfect for her. I'm like, Philip, 338 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 3: you know, I love you. I'll try anything. It's Sunday. 339 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 3: I can't get this dress to you. I really can't 340 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: because I've just moved. I'm like just filthy dirty. I'm 341 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: just trying to get my house set up. And he's like, 342 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 3: oh please, I just please please, And I said, look, 343 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: she's probably not going to wear it. She always wears 344 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: beautiful long dresses, whether it's an Oscar de Laurenta or 345 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 3: and she's an elegant woman. She will not wear this 346 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: really sexy, gorgeous, spangled, you know, started dress. And he's like, 347 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: she will I know, I said please Okay, So I said, okay, 348 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: I'll go to the airport, go to the airport, take 349 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 3: the dress out to DHL or FedEx. He gets in 350 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: an La and he rings me. Sense said, I'm so sorry. 351 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: You're right, it's not going to work. But next time, 352 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: And I was Philip, I know anyway, so don't worry. 353 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: It's fine. You know, I'm not that kind of a person. 354 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: I won't hold it against you. And then then I 355 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: got calls all the next day from CNN, BBC, all 356 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 3: these different tea and I'm like, it's not my dress. 357 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: I know, it's not my dress. I was told I 358 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: even have it in writing, it's not my dress. And 359 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 3: they said, but we've been told by everybody it's your dress. 360 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I'll find out, and like, because 361 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 3: of course you could facts those days, but not there's 362 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: no emails or photos coming through or photos on phones. 363 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 3: And he said, no, it is your dress. She had 364 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 3: was dressed in long dress and just as she's running 365 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 3: out the door, she decided to change. Amazing. And then 366 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 3: all everybody all they wanted to know was did she 367 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: wear any underwear underneath it? Because the skin color the 368 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 3: lining of the dress was perfectly matched to her skin color, 369 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 3: her skin tone, and funny that that's the hole, and 370 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: so went around the world. I should have probably played 371 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: on it a bit longer and said, well, I don't 372 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 3: know why, we'll find out, shall we. That it was 373 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: kind of it was an amazing thing, and I guess 374 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 3: was so great for the brand because it was, you know, 375 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 3: it was a big choice for such a big film 376 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 3: and a big outing and it was front page of 377 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 3: a lot of newspapers. 378 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: And what stunning human to here in your cla. 379 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: Perfect figure, womanly beautiful. 380 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: So can you talk me through your top of your 381 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 2: game traveling the world? You've just had Hunter and you're traveling, 382 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: and how does not there Well, he's not the world's. 383 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: Best traveling bub Is that right? 384 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 3: No, not at all. He was the kind of the 385 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 3: difference between Hunter and Estella. He'd see me when I 386 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 3: was breastfeeding across the room and scream more milk, and 387 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my goodness, this is getting really hard. 388 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 3: And he just didn't really like flying so much as 389 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 3: a baby or as a Stelle. I could sort of 390 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: time it and she would get into you know, would 391 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 3: take the five o'clock Quanta's flight to London and by 392 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 3: seven and eight she was asleep and then I, you know, 393 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: wo'd stop off in Singapore or Hong Kong and she'd 394 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 3: be waking up after eight hours, and you know, there 395 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 3: was was very I guess as well, perhaps having two 396 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 3: children is so much harder than one, because you know, 397 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 3: two humans, yeah, very different personalities, but you know, so 398 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 3: got really difficult. And I also, you know, i'd met 399 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: b and were married, and I didn't. He said, you 400 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: can spend your life working, and it was true. You know, 401 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 3: we want to be together as a family, and I 402 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 3: want my children to be brought up with my values 403 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: and my sense of discipline, not somebody else's idea of 404 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 3: what discipline should be, because I mean, let's face it, 405 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 3: we all like we all think we're pretty organized. We're 406 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 3: not usually, you know. So it's how you want to 407 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: live under the roof together, and so you know, I 408 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 3: had to make a decision to close the business, and 409 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 3: that was my decision, not discussed by anybody, because I 410 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 3: didn't want it to be anybody who influenced me and 411 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 3: to turn around saying, well I could if I should have, 412 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 3: I didn't. You know, all of those and. 413 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 2: You had like one hundred and fifty staff at this stage, 414 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 2: stores all over like it would have been so hard 415 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: because in a sense, your business as a baby as well. 416 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, it was difficult and very costly too, 417 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 3: I think, because we had so much in production. And 418 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 3: what I did is I had to draw the line 419 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 3: straight away and go, okay, stop the production, stop the cutting, 420 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 3: stop the making. Shops are closing in six weeks, like 421 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: I really, really, you know, had a roll out, and 422 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: I think, you know, I had a lot of not 423 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 3: a lot. I had a little bit of I guess 424 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 3: question as to whether my business was in trouble. But 425 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: I think all the financial papers and everybody did their 426 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 3: background checks and realized it very much was. And people 427 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: could not believe such a successful business would change and stop, 428 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 3: but it was. You know. I didn't want to sell it, 429 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 3: and I didn't want to lose my name. Yeah, and 430 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 3: I didn't know what I wanted to do, and I 431 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 3: thought there will be at some stage in my career 432 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 3: at least I can go back. I have a small 433 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 3: archive still of you know, my favorite bits of lace 434 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: and fabrics, and in fact, I've been making some things 435 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: for the self store. I've been making these long taffer 436 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 3: to skirls. 437 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: O its beautiful. I went past this morning, and your 438 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: ceramics in. 439 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 3: There too, so you know, a little bits and pieces. 440 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 3: I don't stop. Really, no, I can feel that. 441 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: I can totally feel that. 442 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: So before I cannot wait to talk to you about Italy, 443 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: because I'm now following the Instagram page for your incredible 444 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 2: home in. 445 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: Cast Oh yeah, it's beautiful. We spent the whole of 446 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 3: lockdown there. 447 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: I said to my boyfriend whose parents his mum's from Pulia. 448 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: I said, I feel like this should be our dream 449 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: as well. 450 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 2: Now I feel like we should think about there's got 451 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: to be a little We've got to spend a pocket 452 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: of time in Pulia, where his family is from. And 453 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: looking at the incredible space you've created, this hits on. 454 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 2: I imagine you would have had so much ado with 455 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: the whole. 456 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: Interior design of everything it was. 457 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: I mean it had no water or electricity and the 458 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: builders couldn't speak a word of English. My talent was 459 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: never that good, so I was just drawing everything, drawing 460 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: pictures in the sand, walking things out. But I think 461 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 3: it's you know a lot of people say, how did 462 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 3: you do it? I never be able to do that. 463 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 3: You know, it's like no one you could always say 464 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 3: that about everything in life. You've got to give it 465 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: a go. What was the worst thing? Even before we left, 466 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: Bradley would say, I don't know if we can do this. 467 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: This is the right thing. I said, what's the worst thing? 468 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 3: What do you think the worst possible thing is we 469 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 3: pack up and we come back home and we look 470 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 3: for job. I don't know, but it's going to be okay, 471 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 3: and it's going to be an experience and we'll have 472 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 3: stories that our children will know, will be ingrained and 473 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 3: for the rest of their lives this experience and it 474 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 3: will be part of us or it won't be, but 475 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 3: it will be a memory. And if we fail, we'll 476 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 3: learn something. 477 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: I love that. 478 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 2: And I've heard you talk about the importance of light 479 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: when you're in spaces. Did that play an impact into 480 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 2: when you were working on well, I guess it plays 481 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 2: an impact on everything. 482 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 3: Oh everything, I think you know, I don't mind dark 483 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: as well. I think it's about the contrast and where 484 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 3: it's used, like for instance, in Pullia, the light and 485 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 3: Pullia with the reflection of all the olive trees and 486 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 3: that silver kind of dusky movie lilac key sunsets, there's 487 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 3: something that's so magical and you don't get that here 488 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 3: at all, that misty night light of silver and lilac, 489 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 3: whereas here it's stronger, it's brighter, it's bounces, and it's 490 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 3: got that viv you know, it's living. But I think 491 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: in the Highlands here too, it's different again because you 492 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 3: get the seasonal light, which I love. 493 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: Because it gets really cold here a winter, doesn't it. 494 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 3: So you have that stark gray greenness. There's not a 495 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 3: leaf on any tree, and all you know, the grass 496 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 3: is termed brown and all the gray and the white 497 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 3: timbers instead of in the donkeys and the fields, everything's 498 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 3: very gray, kind of way, a bit Irish or Scottish, 499 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 3: all the stone walls. 500 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: And oh, I love the way your brain looks at colors. 501 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: Oh there's something I heard you say. I'm not sure 502 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: what interview was in, but I loved this. 503 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: So you view each interior project as a storytelling transformation 504 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: of space. 505 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: I love that that's on your website. Actually I was 506 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: not really nerdy. 507 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so do you look at space and I imagine 508 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: you would look at creating a piece of clothing in 509 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: the same way, Like, is it about creating a story? 510 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 3: Yeah it is, but it's also about proportion, and it's 511 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 3: about light and dark, and it's about color how it's used. 512 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 3: And for instance, this room that we're sitting in now, 513 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 3: this used to be the court yard. 514 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 515 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: So when I was here, I was like, we need 516 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 3: an entrance to this house with different wings. I've always 517 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 3: wanted a house with wings, one for the children, want 518 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 3: for guests and one for us and then the family 519 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,239 Speaker 3: meets in the middle. And you know, so no one 520 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 3: could understand having to have that entrance, move the door, 521 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: take away the court yard. They're like, why do you 522 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 3: want to make the courtyard smaller? And I'm like, because 523 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: it needs to have an entrance and it needs to 524 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 3: have a room that catches the light. 525 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 2: And I have to ask about Order of Australia what 526 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: an honor? 527 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: Is there a part? Do you know that you're up 528 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: for it or is it a total surprise? 529 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 3: No, I was asked before. I guess they've organized it 530 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: if I would accept it? Yeah, And I said yes, 531 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 3: And I can remember because there's a whole Do you 532 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 3: know all the different ones what they are? 533 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 2: I don't know them off by heart, but I've had 534 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 2: a few people on that are Orders of Australia and 535 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 2: they'd be very different categories to. 536 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 3: You, because well there's om's ams, all of those things. 537 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 3: So when I got the Order of Australia, I didn't 538 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 3: realize it was like the number one award. And I 539 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 3: can remember going down to Melbourne with a very good 540 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: friend and I said to him, you know, we'll do 541 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 3: it together because it's very formal as a government house. 542 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 3: And you know, there's a lot of people who are 543 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 3: recognized in the communities and I don't know if the 544 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: ams or oms or I'm not quite sure how it works, 545 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 3: and pretty ignorant, but it's just a memory thing because 546 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 3: I know everyone's recognized. But and then they put me 547 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: first up in line, and I said, they said, just 548 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: follow the first person will be so easy. You'll know 549 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 3: what to do, when to about, what to say. And 550 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 3: I said, okay, that's no problem. And then I'll collect 551 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 3: you number one. I'm like, what do you mean number one? 552 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 3: I'm with my friend. They said, well, no, no, no, 553 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 3: you're getting the Order of Australia, not the such and 554 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 3: such and are we all getting that? I said, no, 555 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 3: that's You're the only one today getting the Order of Australia. 556 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: So that was quite a big, you know thing, and 557 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 3: it's in a way, I think I was very honored 558 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 3: to be recognized anyway, but it wasn't so much about me. 559 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 3: It was about the industries I worked for, you know, 560 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 3: the wool industry, and how I kind of constantly harped 561 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 3: on about what we should do more with our wool 562 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 3: and try to fly the flag, and you know, just 563 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: with a lot of other things and helping women and 564 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: listens a lot of different areas. I guess it's not 565 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: and I think it's about appealing to the community or 566 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 3: women out there were showing that it's possible. So for 567 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: me that to be recognized what i'd done was great, 568 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 3: but just not just for me but for the community. 569 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 3: But it was yeah, and it was a huge honor, 570 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: and I didn't realize exactly what it was. And I 571 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 3: think it's similar to you know, what I was saying 572 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 3: before about designing. You don't focus on getting somewhere. It's 573 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 3: the journey. It's about the craft. It's how you do it, 574 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 3: and it's about how you handle yourself and situations, and 575 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 3: it's about what you do for others and how you 576 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 3: are inclusive not exclusive. And that's been sort of my 577 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 3: mantress through everything. It's Exclusivity isn't a great thing. It 578 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 3: really isn't. But sometimes things become exclusive because they are 579 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: a one off. So it's not a mentality, it's a 580 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 3: physical fact. And I think we sometimes use it in 581 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: a very kind of ambiguous way. 582 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 2: Totally, Oh your brain, I love You're very inspiring. I 583 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 2: love it so okay, I have to ask also the 584 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: postal stamp, how did that come about? Because that was 585 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 2: the same year, wasn't it. 586 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 3: Oh Michael's dates. No, Stella had just been born. I 587 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 3: had that photo taken five days after she was born, 588 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 3: so that was seventeen years ago. Oh okay, I've got 589 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: my I remember that because I can remember feeling so 590 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 3: I bloated and terrible, thinking why. 591 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: Or have to my photo taken? 592 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: Just given bird? But it was, yeah, it was. That 593 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 3: was another honor, you know, And at that time, I 594 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: think I was the youngest person to be on a stamp. 595 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 3: Now it's kind of immortalized it sort of. I'll never 596 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: change on the stamp. I love that. But it was, 597 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 3: you know, an honor to sit amongst the other people 598 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: too in the industry, and you know Carlo's and Patty 599 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 3: and oh yeah, so in particular who wasn't here anymore. 600 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 3: But it was, I guess, another huge achievement in my 601 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 3: life that I think my children should be proud of 602 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 3: more than me. 603 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: No, it's your kid's going to be like Mom's on 604 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 2: a stamp, Like it's pretty amazing. 605 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 3: It's very cool. Hunt It probably doesn't even know I 606 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: don't even know for Stella know is actually because she 607 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 3: was born. I love it. I love it. 608 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: Okay, you were celebrating in so many different ways. 609 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: But I was so excited to hear about you being 610 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: on Master Chef and it makes sense with Italy and 611 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: produce and your passion for I feel like I've seen 612 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: beautiful photos of you, like in the garden getting you 613 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: to own tomatoes, and I can see from I think 614 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 2: you did curated like travel was it kind of like 615 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: travel experiences both in Italy. 616 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 3: And both you know, we did them. We were going 617 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: to do them in Italy, but because of COVID we 618 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 3: came back and then we did the whole you know, 619 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 3: we curated them with Oyster. Yes, I saw it on 620 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 3: YouTube everything, and then of course Covid everyone had to cancel. 621 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 3: And it was just so heartbreaking because so much and 622 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 3: in a way a lot more effort went into it 623 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 3: in Australia, even though it's our home country, because you 624 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 3: have to kind of really curate, pull people together. The 625 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 3: travel is a problem, whereas in Italy, you know, food's 626 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 3: on your doorstep, the chef's always around the corner, everyone 627 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 3: has a pizza rub and you go to the local 628 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 3: fish market. You know, the mafia, they're controlling it, but 629 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 3: you get whatever you need and you're cooking and eating, 630 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 3: and it's always about art and music and it's always 631 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 3: on your doorstep. Oh Australia. Yes, but in a different way. 632 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 3: To do an experience, to pull it all together, you 633 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 3: really have to single out what tells the story. Yeah, totally. 634 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 3: It's not the Italian story. It's your story, and it's 635 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 3: for me. It's about you know, sustainability and food and 636 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 3: art and music and photography, capturing light, bringing people together, 637 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 3: telling stories. Campsite and Italy. I don't think that happens. 638 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 3: There's just a banter of chatter. 639 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: And they feel quite different as you explain them. Was 640 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: your passion for And I know you're. 641 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: Really conscious of your health as well, like you like 642 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 2: to do yoga and I've heard you say yoga, pilates 643 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 2: and running. I like your three being your three things. 644 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: But as a nutritionist that's my background, I mean yoga teas. 645 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 2: I loved hearing that, but just seeing the way you 646 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: spoke about very real, whole seasonal produce and then bringing 647 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: that into Master Chef because I heard you say you 648 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: don't like baking that much. 649 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: Is that right. 650 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 3: I'm not a baker. I'm not, you know. That's what 651 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 3: I'm saying. You need to trust your instincts, Yeah, everything 652 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 3: you do. And I think when it comes to quantities 653 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 3: and dates and numbers, I can kind of add up 654 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 3: dollars and cents in my heads and sort of work 655 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: it out in a very generalized way, and my instinct 656 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 3: will tell me, oh, gosh, that's very expensive, or that's 657 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 3: not that's very reasonable. But you know, when it comes 658 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: to two grams of this and how many mills or 659 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 3: you know, imperial versus metric or I was like, oh 660 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 3: my god, if I get this wrong. It's the science, 661 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 3: you know. I can't just add a bit more salt, 662 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 3: add some tomato paste, a bit more stock. Well, let's 663 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 3: add some pepper or a bit of spice or a 664 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: bit of lemon juice, you know. And that's I'm so 665 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 3: used to cooking by taste rather than by precision, even 666 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 3: though pattern making precise, I guess, but it's still, you know, 667 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 3: my food has flavored some good, wholesome ingredients, and I 668 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: hope usually you know, try to get them from our garden. 669 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: Is it true that you said no to Master Chief 670 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: the first time they asked you. 671 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean reality TV and me are 672 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 3: just not It's not where I'm going. You know, I'm 673 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 3: too busy for a start. Yeah, I know everyone thinks 674 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 3: they don't know what I'm doing, but I am busy. 675 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: Oh you are. I read your new book last night. 676 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 2: But at first of all, so you said no, and 677 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: then the producer was really cheeky and convinced you. 678 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: It was like, you're going to have mates on the show. 679 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: There's certain people that. 680 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 2: Won't sign on unless you sign on, so put a 681 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: bit of pressure on you. 682 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 3: Really Yeah, but oh, I thought they you know, it's TV. 683 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 3: It's like they always use some kind of thing to 684 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 3: do it. But what got me was like it's like, 685 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 3: you know what, Okay, let me do something so different. 686 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 3: I went to Italy. Take me out of my comfort zone. 687 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 3: I'm too old probably to ever do this again in 688 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 3: my life. Teck myself out of my comfort zone. So 689 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 3: I thought I've got to do that, just to challenge myself. 690 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 3: If anything, and worst thing that could happen, as I'm 691 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 3: the first one to go out and I'll kind of 692 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 3: come home with a dog like atween going I'm so sorry. Family, 693 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 3: but yeah, there was the you know, I kind of 694 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: thought about the worst that possibly could happen. I think 695 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: sometimes when you start with that rather than the best, 696 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 3: you kind of always, you know, as disappointed. You know 697 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 3: how you're going to handle the worst case scenario, and 698 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 3: it lessens. 699 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: The fear a little bit too, if you're like, hey, 700 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: this is worst case scenario and I know I'll be fine. 701 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 3: And it was interesting because when I got there and 702 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 3: Rebecca give me thought for everyone's. 703 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: Like the worst, oh that we don't want to be 704 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: the first out. 705 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 3: We were all the same, Oh, it. 706 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: Sounds like you've got a nice little friendship with Rebecca giveney. 707 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: I saw you also post like you've made some really 708 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: lovely mates. 709 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, Tillie Ramsey's fantastic and Nick reeworld amazing. An't every 710 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 3: single person honestly generous, good people who were all scared 711 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 3: to be eliminated. But we laughed and we sang became 712 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 3: we're like naughty teenagers again in the rooms while we 713 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 3: had to wait. You know, it was very much a team, 714 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 3: and I don't think anybody was competitive. We're competitive in 715 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 3: our own way that we want to do the best 716 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 3: possible thing this. We could cook but we weren't mean 717 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 3: or you know, hungry to lose or to win. It 718 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 3: was fun and it was genuinely you were very upset 719 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 3: when excuse me when someone left. 720 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like you get a little troop, a 721 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: little gang, don't You's like, yeah, I love that. 722 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: So I read your newest children's book last night to 723 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 2: my boyfriend as we were going to bed. It is 724 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 2: a beautiful book and so wonderfully written. So it's called 725 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: Santa Love's Australia, right, yes, and oh my goodness, it 726 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 2: made me it feels I don't know, I love Christmas 727 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 2: first of all, so I was like, Christmas season has 728 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 2: already begun and the book is officially available now, is 729 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 2: that correct? 730 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: How did the idea come about? 731 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: Because you've got a beautiful illustrator that's worked with you 732 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 2: on this. 733 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 3: Is that Rbscaberis he's like Australia's great artist. Paints amazing 734 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 3: landscape which. 735 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: Is a beautiful. Do you have a favorite image from 736 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: a book? 737 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 3: I love Lunar Park? Oh yeah, and I love you 738 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 3: know that. Yeah, he goes through the mouth of Lunar Park. 739 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 3: It's all I don't know, it's I mean, it's a 740 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 3: bit of a crazy story really, and I think I've 741 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 3: written one children's book when I was in Italy and 742 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 3: that was They're kind of meant to be a bit 743 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 3: for adults too, and a learning, kind of fun game 744 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 3: where you know, I can remember my first book, Louis 745 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 3: and Snippy Save the Sea. It was, you know, it 746 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 3: was saying saying they were having a whale of a 747 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 3: time having which is an adults phrase really in a 748 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 3: child's book, which is swimming having a you know, with 749 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 3: the whales. But they were having fun. And I think, 750 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 3: you know, I try to apply the same sort of 751 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 3: thing to this book. And it's a bit crazy, and 752 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 3: it's a bit it's about Australia, but it's it's a 753 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 3: fantasy in a way. It's magically. It's about sprinkles of 754 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 3: fairy dust, you know, it's everything a child. Excuse me, hunter, 755 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 3: where you're going, darling? You're right, honestly, okay, okay, so yes, 756 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 3: it's really it's about I guess it's this fairy dust 757 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 3: or the center dust or anything that's magical. It's about 758 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 3: not necessary the presents that are delivered. It's about the 759 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 3: places you go and the things that are so Australian 760 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 3: and Luke's illustrations honestly are incredible and just the way 761 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 3: he draws the cockatoos or the kooka bars, he gets 762 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 3: their personality totally. And we forget how many native species 763 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 3: we have and birds and animals and fish that are 764 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 3: intrinsic to our culture and also just the environment and 765 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 3: how important they are. And I think we need to 766 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 3: see more of it. Definitely. 767 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: My favorite page is with the little baby emuse. 768 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh, I just love it, and like that's 769 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 2: when he said the magic felt very magical. 770 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 3: There's an Emu constellation. I don't know if you know, 771 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 3: but it's very important to the Aboriginal people and it's 772 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 3: part of their dream time and that's why you know, 773 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 3: around Ularu often you will see we think of the 774 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 3: Milky Way, but it's it's part of it there. And 775 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 3: I think there are so many different constellations. I'd love 776 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 3: to you know, you know, when you lie and watch 777 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 3: clouds on your back when you're a kid, and you 778 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 3: can kind of see the dinosaur head and you see 779 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 3: the sheep and then you see something else as the 780 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 3: wind moves them on. It's kind of like stars if 781 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 3: you look and close an eye and go blurry. You 782 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 3: can kind of see a tractor or a truck. I'd 783 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 3: love to do a book like that. 784 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: You need to. 785 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 2: I was just thinking I could see a cloud one 786 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,720 Speaker 2: and one of the constellations at all the stars. 787 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: Do it, my friends, You're unstoppable. 788 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 2: And speaking of being unstopable, can we talk about collecting 789 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,760 Speaker 2: the collectinging and ceramic. 790 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 3: Car it's called Italian Yeah, it's oh yeah, of course. 791 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: If there's such a love for Italy, can you talk 792 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: to me about it? Because I'm looking at it's stunning. 793 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 3: So I've done two collections. This one here that you're 794 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 3: looking at now, the green and white splatter works. It's 795 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 3: from Basilicata and it's they're double glazed, double painted, and 796 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 3: double dips, so they then put the splatter on them, 797 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 3: they turn them upside down, they drip, and then they 798 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 3: do it again in double blaze. So they're all handmade. 799 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 3: And so that's my green and white because green is 800 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 3: my favorite color? 801 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: Is it? 802 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 4: And then I've done another collection you see the red 803 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 4: the burgundy that I done blue and kind of gray 804 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 4: and red, and that's by the all handmade as well 805 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,399 Speaker 4: by another potter ceramicist in is he in Basilicata. 806 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 3: No, he's in. Oh sorry, those are Calibrazy. The green 807 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 3: ones are Calibrazi, and the other ones and Basilicata's. So 808 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,919 Speaker 3: we'd go to the top of the hill. And the 809 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 3: one way I could get Bradley to go with me, 810 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 3: because it was like a two hour drive up this 811 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 3: very winding Italian little road it was falling off the 812 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 3: side of the cliff, was that when we got there 813 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 3: there was this specialty bakery dish they made like with 814 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 3: a fold of bread and lots of cheese and things inside. 815 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 3: It was hot out of the oven. I love that 816 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 3: he would dream of that. But on the side of 817 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 3: the road there was a man who sold this chili, 818 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 3: Calibrazy chili and oil because it's very close to Calabria, 819 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 3: and so he was so addicted to that he couldn't 820 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 3: buy it anywhere else. He would go for the drive 821 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 3: to get that hot, savory, cheesy bread at the end 822 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 3: and the chili oil on the way, And then we 823 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,439 Speaker 3: go there, and of course I'd be doing my little 824 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 3: drawings and sizes, and Braddy sitting there going when are 825 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,720 Speaker 3: we leaving? Are we leaving? 826 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 2: I love that you knew that the treats to tempt 827 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,919 Speaker 2: along the way as well. Little and with the book 828 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 2: as well. We just spoke about that. That's an all 829 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 2: good bookstores. Now if peop want to get their hands 830 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 2: on it, book Toopia, they can order it. I'm sure 831 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 2: I'll put links in all of the show notes because 832 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 2: it's a beautiful boy I. 833 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 3: Wanted to sell. You know, Luke's works so hard on 834 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 3: it too, So I think. 835 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: It's perfect timing as well. 836 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 2: We're coming into the festive season it and I think 837 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,879 Speaker 2: you're right, it's something that adults ankidos. 838 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: Would love, like, I's. 839 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 3: Great to post to Australians overseas with children. I think 840 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 3: that's the thing. It makes you you feel homesick? 841 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my goodness, you know exactly. Okay, my friend. Final, fine, 842 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: I've kept you long enough to day. But final question is. 843 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 2: For anybody that's listening that's a creative them, have a 844 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 2: dream or hear your story and be like, oh, I 845 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 2: think I want to do that. 846 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: I think I want to do that. 847 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 2: What advice would you give them? 848 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, for a start, they're probably going to be 849 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 3: younger than me and me, so they're going to have 850 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 3: a digital history. Technology won't be a problem which is 851 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 3: where I fall down so much because everything I do 852 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 3: is by hand. So start your ideas, start spreadsheet, start 853 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 3: that backhand costings. Everything. Work really hard. When someone says no, 854 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 3: work harder, But don't just keep on doing it because 855 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,919 Speaker 3: you don't want to fail. It's okay to fail too, 856 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 3: but just change course. And I think the most important 857 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 3: thing is to be so passionate about it that working 858 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 3: hard makes it better and better and better. You know, 859 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 3: it's not about being able to say I'm so tired. 860 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,320 Speaker 3: It's about being crazed from the adrenaline of seeing something 861 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 3: develop and that becomes your life and your idea. And 862 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 3: it's not work anymore in my life really, even though 863 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 3: I had a lot of you know, potholes that I 864 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 3: had to get out of. And you know, it's it's 865 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 3: your passion, it's your family, it's everything, and so the 866 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 3: hours you spend aren't accountable for. It's just part of 867 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 3: your life, you know. So I think that's the most 868 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 3: important thing, is a passion. 869 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: I just realized I forgot to talk about your candles. 870 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 2: I got to smell one right before this, So can 871 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 2: you tell us when they're going to be available? I 872 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 2: know there've always been something you've done always, haven't they 873 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,439 Speaker 2: You've done that the long. 874 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 3: Termest time i've had. I normally make them in France 875 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 3: and I've taken me a year, but I've found a 876 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 3: great person to handpour them here in Australia. I've developed 877 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 3: the fragrances myself on a lot of Italian notes, so 878 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 3: it's got that little theme of you know, the Lemonne desigilia, 879 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 3: so everything is a bit Italian in those summary sort 880 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 3: of smoky tones as well. But it's all made in 881 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 3: Australia now. So I'm very proud of that actually, because 882 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 3: I didn't think I'd ever be able to get to 883 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 3: that with the fragrance particularly and the ingredients and pouring them. 884 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 3: But Christmas, I hope and hopefully I'll get it up 885 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 3: and running on my website. I'm working on that, but 886 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 3: as I said, technology is a bit of a string. 887 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: Website's great, but I. 888 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 3: Need the store side of it and I need the commers. 889 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 3: What I really need is a great techy kind of 890 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 3: pr PA person, not pr I've got je PA person 891 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 3: who can help me just do all the things I 892 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 3: can't do. So I can just draw and you know, 893 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 3: they can file, they can organize things. 894 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: And you're probably going to get people listening to this going. 895 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 3: Okay, I can one down here, down here, or someone 896 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,959 Speaker 3: down who can come down for three days a week. 897 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. 898 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 3: That's when I you know, I struggle. 899 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you struggle, but I just think 900 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 2: it's it's you've got a beautiful following and you've got 901 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 2: beautiful Instagram page, Like why not. 902 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: You know you can link a shop to Instagram? Now, 903 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: why not link? 904 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 3: You know? 905 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 2: It makes sense, But it's hard work. Like you saw 906 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 2: me with all my stuff. That's it's hard. And did 907 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 2: you say it's the same illustrator for the coffee the 908 00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 2: candle packaging. 909 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 3: Yes, looked at all the outside of the box and 910 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,399 Speaker 3: the writing and everything. So that's fantastic. Yes, to have 911 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 3: him help me with that, and you know that's been 912 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 3: amazing actually. But and he can just do it in 913 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,839 Speaker 3: a heartbeat, oh beautiful. You know, it takes a lot 914 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 3: of time to the rest of it, the crest and 915 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 3: everything to develop that the different fragrances, because I kind 916 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 3: of I didn't want them to be four seasons and 917 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 3: I didn't want them to be my memories. I wanted 918 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 3: them to be you know, like the Sicilian lemon. Everyone 919 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 3: who goes to Positan was Sicily that smell of the lemon, 920 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 3: or you know the fi Fiki depulias where we were from. 921 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 3: In our fig trees are like dripping in figs. And 922 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,399 Speaker 3: in June, July and August you have two comings of figs. 923 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,879 Speaker 3: The first ones are the big plump, juicy ones. We're 924 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 3: having baked figs with bolsamic, making fig ice cream. We're 925 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 3: putting figs with rocket salad. We're having figs fresh from 926 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,399 Speaker 3: the tree, figs with yogurt. You can just and then 927 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 3: you get to a point you I can't see another 928 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 3: fig and you then you understand why the figs are 929 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 3: all being dried on rooms and pullia, or why they're 930 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 3: just rotting around the base of the trees and that 931 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 3: smell and all the bees and wasps are coming. But 932 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 3: so there's that big smell which in summer nights you 933 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 3: can you know, it's so it's so particular. 934 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite scent? 935 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 2: I feel like you would have a very specific scent 936 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 2: that you would love. 937 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 3: Well, the one that I love is the one I've done, 938 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 3: which is in Cenzo, the incense of the South which 939 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 3: is slightly woody with a bit of I don't like 940 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 3: vanilla or sweet, but I like the citrus notes. I 941 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 3: guess which would and that's my favorite. And also the 942 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 3: wood flowers. Oh beautiful high Hunter. Oh do you give 943 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:45,760 Speaker 3: me a coffee? 944 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 2: Oh? 945 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 3: That's oh Stella did. 946 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: Thanks if they? 947 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 3: Did you know something? Did you know? I was on 948 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 3: a stamp? You did? 949 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: Oh? 950 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 3: That same when you post in the post office. Oh, yeah, 951 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,240 Speaker 3: that's a stamp. How cool? 952 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: Your mom is on her own stamp. That's so cool? 953 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 3: Did you know that? Any girl? What a legend? 954 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 2: Okay, you are phenomenal. 955 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 1: You are a supermom. 956 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,240 Speaker 2: You've got all these creative passions and you don't stop. 957 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 2: And I cannot thank you enough for sharing your time 958 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 2: with me. You've got so much coming up in the 959 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 2: lead of Chrissy book, candles, ceramics, and I will just put 960 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 2: all the links to everything in the show notes because 961 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 2: I just think you're awesome and I can't wait to Yeah, I'm. 962 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: Going to keep supporting you because I think you're unreal. 963 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 3: But maybe two for the ceramics and the books and 964 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 3: the candles self store. If I don't get a website 965 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 3: up there on the South store all at the South 966 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 3: Store and she just does it through Instagram, going Sophie's 967 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 3: not there today. I wish she was. You could have 968 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:53,359 Speaker 3: met her, you'd love her. 969 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: She's oh, the store. 970 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 2: Looks beautiful and all you're green and is in the 971 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 2: front window. 972 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 3: And then I do have the pink and blue which 973 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 3: will come towards Chris journey gone on a container though, 974 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 3: trying to deal with a ceramicist and the freight company 975 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 3: and then the cargo people and the container loading people 976 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 3: for people in Italy at six o'clock when everyone's kind 977 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,800 Speaker 3: of wanting dinner and I'm like, oh, I'll do it tomorrow. Tomorrow, 978 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 3: That's what I mean. I need someone you can just 979 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,800 Speaker 3: get on bank bank bang and coordinated teammate. 980 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Gleet Dinning and you are wonderful. 981 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 3: You have really inspired me. So thank you, Oh thank you, 982 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 3: and thank you for coming big trip. So wrapped mind 983 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,280 Speaker 3: you do Byron to Sydney. 984 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:38,800 Speaker 2: Yes, that's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. 985 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 2: As always, thank you to our guests and let's continue 986 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,799 Speaker 2: the conversation on Instagram. 987 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm at Yamo lollaberry. 988 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 2: This potty my word for podcast is available on all 989 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 2: streaming platforms. I'd love it if you could subscribe, rate 990 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 2: and comment, and of course spread the love 991 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 4: Of a