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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Susie Burrow and I'm leam Wood and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Nutrition Couch, a weekly podcast from two of

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Speaker 1: Australia's leading dieticians, bringing you everything that is new in

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Speaker 1: the world of nutrition, diets and good food from the

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Speaker 1: Nutrition Couch Today. Are we living in an obesagenic environment?

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Speaker 1: And the key steps we need to take control and

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Speaker 1: put an end to the gradual weight gain as we

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Speaker 1: get older that can be attributed to the way we live.

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Speaker 1: We share the evidence based tricks and tips that can

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Speaker 1: help you keep on top of weight gain over time

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Speaker 1: that is being caused by the environment in which we live.

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Speaker 1: Our client case study is one especially relevant to families

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Speaker 1: fussy eating. Why is it so common and how can

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Speaker 1: you best manage it at home so you are not

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Speaker 1: some more so to get us started. This week, Leanne,

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Speaker 1: you spotted a piece in the media about abesagenic environments

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Speaker 1: and having worked specifically in obesity in my younger years

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Speaker 1: at the Children's Hospital at Westmead, I thought it was

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Speaker 1: a really interesting chat, particularly as we come into the

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Speaker 1: festive season, and be really interesting to know from a

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Speaker 1: theoretical perspective, how does our environment basically control our food intake.

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Speaker 2: I think this is really interesting and for our listeners

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Speaker 2: at home, the term abesogenic environment is essentially used to

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Speaker 2: describe an environment that promotes obesity. So this is something

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Speaker 2: that you know, we didn't see, what's fifty years ago.

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Speaker 2: It's just something that probably our great great grandparents didn't

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Speaker 2: grow up with, but our generation and our kids generation

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Speaker 2: they absolutely are. And I guess it encompasses things like

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Speaker 2: schools and workplaces, homes, neighborhoods. It's the media's influence on us.

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Speaker 2: It's the availability of convenience and takeaway foods. It even

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Speaker 2: comes down to things like portion sizes. You know, when

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Speaker 2: you can upgrade your happy meal for like twenty or

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Speaker 2: fifty cents extra. This all has an influence on a

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Speaker 2: bisogenic environment, and this will all influence our own body

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Speaker 2: weight and our healthless well.

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Speaker 1: And I was just.

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Speaker 2: Trawling through some of the research this morning, Susie, and

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Speaker 2: it's really difficult because there aren't I guess, a lot

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Speaker 2: of papers that say, you know, exticles why like this

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Speaker 2: is why we've ended up with this. There are a

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Speaker 2: lot of things that encompass an absogenic environment. But even

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Speaker 2: in really high income countries such as Australia, when you

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Speaker 2: look at the interventions that we're doing to date, we've

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Speaker 2: largely employed what we call an individual level approach to

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Speaker 2: promote healthy choices and to prevent obesity. And a lot

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Speaker 2: of the research is saying that it's just not sufficient,

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Speaker 2: like it's not enough. And I was saying to you

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Speaker 2: before we jumped on this, Poddy, I actually started working

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Speaker 2: as a public health nutritionist. That was my first job

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Speaker 2: I swopped into a Master's of dietetics. But I just

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Speaker 2: think it's really sad that we're not putting more time

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Speaker 2: public health strategies because there's so many things that go

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Speaker 2: fact that in Australia we're encouraged to drive more than

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Speaker 2: we are to walk. And Susie, I've got clients in London.

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Speaker 2: Those girls easily, like so easily hit ten twenty thousand

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Speaker 2: many things that go into I guess shaping an obisagenic environment.

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Speaker 2: But I just wanted to give our listeners at home.

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Speaker 2: So as an example to use it, we put water

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you start to look at things slightly differently,

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Speaker 1: So straight away, the best example I can think of

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Speaker 1: You're much more encouraged to take the lift or the escalator,

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Speaker 1: So you're right, it's just that the default for people

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Speaker 1: give attention to that because remember small children, a lot

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Speaker 1: of it's about attention. You're reinforcing that behavior, and it's

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Speaker 1: making the fussy eating worse. Now I'm not saying this

436
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Speaker 1: is easy. I've got small children myself. I'm very familiar

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Speaker 1: with the fact that there's kids sometimes who don't eat.

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Speaker 1: So a few things to remember. Small children don't need

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Speaker 1: a lot of food. So often kids who have been

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Speaker 1: at daycare all day, who have had a meal are

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Speaker 1: not that hungry at dinner, so they're probably not going

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Speaker 1: to eat very much. So don't worry about it, because

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Speaker 1: if they've had a meal at school, they probably don't

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Speaker 1: need much at nighttime. But we as parents always overfeed

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Speaker 1: with stress. They're not eating, so we give them the

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Speaker 1: sweet food they want, the toast, the yogurt, the dessert.

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Speaker 1: Then they learn if they reject dinner and say I'm

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Speaker 1: not eating it, you'll give them something sweet. So don't

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Speaker 1: stress if they don't eat much, offer them a few

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Speaker 1: healthy things. If they say no, it's okay. They won't

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Speaker 1: starve if they go to bed with not much dinner,

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Speaker 1: if they've been at daycare and they've had a meal.

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Speaker 1: The next thing is that kids are often fussy about textures,

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Speaker 1: colors of food, the way it's served, So they probably

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Speaker 1: don't want your tune or morney. That's marinated with all

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Speaker 1: vegetables and a funny sauce. Whereas if you put a

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Speaker 1: piece of crumbed chicken, a few cut carrots, a few

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Speaker 1: chopped tomatoes, and some frozen peas and frozen they probably

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Speaker 1: eat it. Keep it simple. Little kids don't want complex food.

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Speaker 1: If they like to eat the same thing, they like

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Speaker 1: to eat the stuff they're familiar with. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: if it's boring to you. They don't care. They like

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Speaker 1: it like that. And the third thing to remember is

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Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter if your child doesn't eat every

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Speaker 1: color fruit and vegetable on the palate, as long as

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Speaker 1: they have two. If they have two different salad or vegetables,

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Speaker 1: whether it's raw carrot, frozen peas, cook spinach, raw broccoli,

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. If there's two, they'll eat. Just keep giving

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Speaker 1: it to them. It doesn't matter if they don't have

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Speaker 1: the whole range, because some kids, like us, are not

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Speaker 1: that interested in food. They don't care, and some kids

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Speaker 1: will eat too much and eat everything. So as long

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Speaker 1: as you're working on a small number of foods the

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Speaker 1: kids like, and there's a few healthy veggie options in there,

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Speaker 1: they're going to be okay. Whereas we stress, Oh, they're

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Speaker 1: not eating broccoli, but they're eating beans or frozen peas.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. So try not to focus on

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Speaker 1: the fussy eating. Rather identify the foods they will eat

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Speaker 1: that are healthy and just give them those. And on

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Speaker 1: the bell curve you'll have some kids who are really

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Speaker 1: finicky and some kids who eat too much. So if

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Speaker 1: you've got a kid roughly in the middle who eat

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Speaker 1: some things, you're going to be on the right track.

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Speaker 1: So I think the less attention and time you give

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Speaker 1: to the fussy eating, the better. But I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what leanne time and time again. My fussy eating families,

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Speaker 1: all they can do is talk about the food they

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Speaker 1: come in, what he won't eat, will you have this?

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Speaker 1: Will you try this? And all it's doing is reinforcing

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Speaker 1: the behavior the more you ignore it and say, I

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Speaker 1: don't care if you eat dinner or not. And there's

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Speaker 1: kind of a limited amount. So if you don't eat,

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Speaker 1: that's it, and they know that you don't make them

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Speaker 1: yogurt or something sweet, they'll learn pretty quick. So easier

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Speaker 1: said than done, I know, But that's a few little

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Speaker 1: tips of managing it for many years with different families,

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Speaker 1: and you know indeed there will be some kids who

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Speaker 1: are really finicky, but most you sit in the middle

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Speaker 1: and there's a few things they eat and not just

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Speaker 1: stick with those things.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, I'm not going to sit here and

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Speaker 2: pretend that I've got kids, because I don't know it.

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Speaker 2: I've got one on the way, but she's nowhere. You're

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Speaker 2: eating at the moment. So I'm not going to sit

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Speaker 2: here and say, you know, just do this or just

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Speaker 2: do this, because I don't know the reality of what

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Speaker 2: goes on in most people's houses. But I will share

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Speaker 2: a little example about how I grew up and my

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Speaker 2: siblings and I base eat everything like there's no fussy

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Speaker 2: eating at all. And the household that we grow up

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Speaker 2: and it was very much Mum cook one meal and

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Speaker 2: that was it for the whole family. If we didn't

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Speaker 2: eat it, we basically went to bed hungry. And even

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Speaker 2: if we woke up during the night and went knocked

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Speaker 2: a mom's door and said, Mom, I'm hungry, she would

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Speaker 2: pull out that meal that we refused and be like,

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Speaker 2: this is your only option. If you're hungry, eat it.

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Speaker 2: If not, go back to bed kind of thing. And

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Speaker 2: so by the next morning we'd absolutely eat whatever healthy

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Speaker 2: sort of breakfast options she put in front of us,

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Speaker 2: and occasionally, if my dad was in a bad mood,

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Speaker 2: he'd bring out the plate from last night and be like,

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Speaker 2: that's your breaky. So we learnt very quickly that there

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Speaker 2: was no other options available. If we're going to eat,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna eat. And I think that that's something that

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Speaker 2: I do. Hear a lot for my clients as well,

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Speaker 2: as they're making different meals for hubby, different meals for

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Speaker 2: themselves because they're trying to lose weight and hobbies on

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Speaker 2: his own thing and the kids want something different. So

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Speaker 2: I think very much those family friendly meals. But as

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Speaker 2: you said, a tip that I've learned from one of

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Speaker 2: my friends who's got a couple of young children. She's

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Speaker 2: a dietician as well. She very much does deconstructed meals.

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Speaker 2: So as she said, with three four five year olds,

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Speaker 2: don't want the tunea more n a. But if you

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Speaker 2: just put a little bit of tuna on the plate,

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Speaker 2: a little bit of pasta on the plate, a little

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Speaker 2: bit of sources side and separate veggies, they'll eat that.

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Speaker 2: And so she very much will do, you know, instead

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Speaker 2: of nacho. She deconstructs it in the middle of the table,

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Speaker 2: and everything's in separate portions on the toddler's plates or

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Speaker 2: instead of you know, a chicken stir fry, there's a

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Speaker 2: little bit of noodle separately, there's a little bit of

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Speaker 2: chicken separately, there's a bit of veggie separately. So that

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Speaker 2: seems to work really really well for her and her family,

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Speaker 2: and her kids are great eaters because everything's about those

547
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Speaker 2: sort of deconstructed meals, and then she pulls out her

548
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Speaker 2: own portions for herself. Then hubby pulls out their own

549
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Speaker 2: portions for him, and it seems to work really well

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Speaker 2: for the family. So I think that those deconstructed meals

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Speaker 2: can work quite well for fussy eaters as well, because

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Speaker 2: then there's a lot of different options available. It's not

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Speaker 2: just like here's your sturfry. If you don't like the sturfray,

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Speaker 2: you're in trouble. It's like, here's multiple components of the

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Speaker 2: meal for the kids to try and.

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Speaker 1: Just include some they like. I couldn't say it better,

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Speaker 1: but I think the other thing is I observe all

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Speaker 1: the time is that we're a snacking culture. So what

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Speaker 1: we do with little kids is that they often have

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Speaker 1: had breakfast, and then they'll have a snack as soon

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Speaker 1: as they get to the park, and they have and

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Speaker 1: you'll see when you start to go to the park

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Speaker 1: with your baby, they have these boxes of all these

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Speaker 1: snacks in it, and there'll be some rice crackers, and

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Speaker 1: there'll be some cut up fruit, and there'll be some

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Speaker 1: kids snack food that you buy in packets, and they'll

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Speaker 1: basically be a smalls board of snacks for this child

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Speaker 1: to eat through the morning. And then of course they

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Speaker 1: get home at eleven or twelve, and guess what, they're

570
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Speaker 1: not hungry for lunch, so they don't want their sandwich

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Speaker 1: because they've grazed or morning, and the same in the afternoon,

572
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Speaker 1: they pick up someone from school or they get a

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Speaker 1: baby chino, and then they have some banana bread or

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Speaker 1: a baby muffin or a cookie, and then they're not

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Speaker 1: hungry for dinner. So you've got to also make sure

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Speaker 1: kids are hungry at meal times. And if they're indulging

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Speaker 1: in foods like baby chinos and mini muffins and banana

578
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Speaker 1: breads which are packed full of glories, they're not going

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Speaker 1: to be hungry for dinner when they're having their meat

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Speaker 1: and vege. Another trick is with small children, feed them

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Speaker 1: their main meal at lunchtime because they're more hungry. Then

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Speaker 1: they're more likely to eat the chicken or the meat

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Speaker 1: with the veggies, whereas at dinner they're often quite tired

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Speaker 1: and don't need a lot. That's another trick. If you

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Speaker 1: don't want certain foods in the house, if you don't

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Speaker 1: want them to eat it, stop buying it. So things

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Speaker 1: like rice, crackers, white bread. If you want them to

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Speaker 1: stop eating it and you've got it at home, you've

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Speaker 1: got to stop buying the food you don't want them

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Speaker 1: to have and make sure that treats are isolated to

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Speaker 1: that time. And as I said, make things taste good.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll give it an example of my own kids.

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Speaker 1: They're pretty good because I don't make a fast you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm busy. I say that's the dinner. Before they have dinner,

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Speaker 1: I give them cut up cucumber frozen peas. So by

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Speaker 1: the time they sit down to dinner, they've already eaten

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Speaker 1: most of their veggies because they're eating it while they're

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Speaker 1: watching a bit of TV before dinner. But they would

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Speaker 1: never eat tomatoes my boys. But I didn't care because

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Speaker 1: they ate everything else. But my husband one time gave

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Speaker 1: them tomatoes with salt on them. Now I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: salt on tomatoes is good. I'm saying that he said

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Speaker 1: to them, try this tomato with salt, and now leanne

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Speaker 1: I have to buy like punnets of tomatoes are wheat.

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Speaker 1: Now they say with salt, and I just do a

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Speaker 1: little tiny drizzle and they eat punnets a tomatoes. So

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Speaker 1: it's not always about the food. It's sometimes the way

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Speaker 1: it served. And then my dad makes coliflower mash. He

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Speaker 1: uses one potato, coliflour and pumpkin. My kids don't even

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Speaker 1: know it's couliflower the whole lot. So it's a lot

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Speaker 1: the way you frame it. If I said to them,

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Speaker 1: please eat your cauliflower, they're going to say, get stuffed.

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Speaker 1: But we don't even tell them it's cauliflower. It's mash

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Speaker 1: and they eat it. So you know, you got to

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Speaker 1: outsmart them. And remember, they don't know what they need.

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Speaker 1: They don't even know what they like, so you have

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Speaker 1: to create the environment and sure make the food taste good,

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Speaker 1: but don't know if the're complicated. My meals have always

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Speaker 1: been deconstructed. I like playing basic food and that's absolutely

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Speaker 1: what kids like. So don't be scared you're not making

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Speaker 1: elaborate meals for small children. Keep it as simple as

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Speaker 1: you can and stick to a few things they know

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Speaker 1: and love, and you'll be on the right track. It

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Speaker 1: was a bit of a homnologue, there was, and I

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Speaker 1: was a bit ranty. I hope it's helpful, definitely.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it will be to resonate with a lot

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Speaker 2: of our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Well, look forward to the feedback and if you like

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Speaker 1: tried to along the way. I think we've focused more

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Speaker 1: because we'll include that a little bit more. But moving

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Speaker 1: refreshing drink and perhaps don't want to have the slurpy

645
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: from seven to eleven when we're thirsty. So the one

646
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: I've chosen is the Mount Franklin lightly sparkling lime flavored drink. Now,

647
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: myself leanne I'm a big sparkling or soda water person.

648
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: I drink gleases of it. I've got a zip tap.

649
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: I've had it for many years. I really like bubbly water.

650
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: I never had it as a child, and then now

651
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm really big fan. But I quite like this. It's

652
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: not I don't drink the flavored one. I like plain,

653
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: but actually my kids like it, and so I'm much

654
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: happier they're having this than warning juice or soft drink

655
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: when we're out.

656
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: Now.

657
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: It's made by the same group as Coca Cola. It's

658
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: the Mount Franklin brand. There's a few different ones. There's

659
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: passion fruit, there's raspberry. You can get it in a

660
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: large bottle or the individual cans, but there's basically nothing

661
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: in it. It's carbonated spring water and natural flavor. There's

662
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: no calories, there's no people ask about sodium in these drinks.

663
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: Very minimal in the big scheme of things. I think

664
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: it's five milligrams, which is nothing. So I actually am

665
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: a big fan of it, and I think if you're

666
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: someone who needs that bubbly effect or a soft drink feeling,

667
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: these are a really very good choice. And I'd say

668
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: even for kids, you know, there's nothing really wrong, it's

669
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: not going to damage their teeth. It's a million times

670
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: better than fruit juice or soft drink or cordial. So yeah,

671
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: coming into summer, if you struggle with plain water, don't

672
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: feel guilty about sparkling or soda waters and these lightly

673
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: flavored ones. Mind you, they don't miss your price wise,

674
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: they're incredibly expensive for some bubbly water, But in terms

675
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: of picking something up rather than soft drink, I think

676
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: it's a great choice.

677
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. I love them umble fan and

678
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: I've got my clients taking these things to get a

679
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: little cans of these to barbecues and that sort of

680
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: thing where we're actively trying to cut down on their

681
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: alcohol intake. And I'm someone who's always loved water. I

682
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: refer to myself as a camel. You know, I'll easily

683
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: drink three four five liters a day obviously, you know,

684
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: for people who are new to the podcast, I'm six

685
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: foot one, I'm not a tiny human, so I drink

686
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: a lot of water. I previously have done a lot

687
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: of exercise as well. And I live in Brisbane, so

688
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: it's very hot here. So you know, saying that I

689
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: drink three four five liters a day, don't you might

690
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: not need to go and do that as well. But

691
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: I find drinking water comes very easily and naturally to me, Susie.

692
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: But being pregnant, I'm like, okay, well I can't enjoy

693
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: a glass of wine and a Friday I've really cut

694
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: right back on my caffeine intake. I'm kind of like,

695
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: you know what, water is really boring these days. So

696
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: I have been indulging in a little bit of extra

697
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: bubbly water. I've had the occasional, you know, a little

698
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: bit of coconut water, that sort of thing. I made

699
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: myself a little mock tail on a Friday night. I

700
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: think that these things get they can go a long way,

701
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: and you know, as we get into the summer, the

702
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: hotter weather things are starting to open back up again,

703
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: lockdown sort of. You know, restrictions are easy. There's a

704
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 2: lot of barbecues, there's a lot of parties that we're

705
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: heading into the festive season. I really do think that

706
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: if your goal is to have a healthy diet and

707
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: control your way to not blow out this festive season,

708
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: taking things like these two parties and barbecues with you

709
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: are really really great options. So I know that they're

710
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: not cheap price wise, but they're cheaper than alcohol. They're

711
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: probably very similar price to some soft drinks as well.

712
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: So I really like the little cans of them because

713
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: it can feel like you're having a little bit of

714
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: a treat when you're at a party or you're at

715
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: a backyard barbecue. But it is nicer than, you know,

716
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: just taking a plan of water bottle, which I admit

717
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: can get a little bit boring over time. So of

718
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 2: course we're going to recommend water being your number one fluid,

719
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: but I really do love these bubbly waters as well.

720
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: And I'm very jealous of your zip tap, Susie. I

721
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: really David and I are saying, if we have any

722
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: money left in the budget after we build, we're absolutely

723
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: putting in a zip tape. I can't wait. I'm really excited.

724
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: So I if you're listening, you know, you could sponsor

725
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726
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Speaker 2: I'll be wonderful because they're.

727
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: A great addition for by Way water. The kids love them.

728
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: But I was going to say about this Way. It's

729
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: quite a good mixer for vodka.

730
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, low color mixer, Yeah like it.

731
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: Or gin, Yeah, because people are asking about low calorie drinks,

732
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: or gin there's passion fruit raspberry.

733
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: You know.

734
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: This isn't a paid plug. I just think it's quite

735
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: a good product. But yeah, they're actually a really good

736
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: locale mixer for spirits as well, coming in because we

737
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: get ours out a lot too, and much lower in

738
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: sugar than tonic water in particular, So have a look.

739
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: You know, As I said, I don't buy them all

740
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: the time. It's more if I'm out at the shop

741
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: and my kids want something, I don't mind getting them

742
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: that because there's nothing damaging, there's no sugar. They think

743
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: it's great.

744
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: They think it's a.

745
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: Soft drink, and it just gives us those options. And

746
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: I think it's all about options, and yeah, a good mixer,

747
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: low mix they're coming into Christmas when we're looking for

748
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: a bit more indulgence with our partying. So check about

749
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: there and Willies, and I said, you can get the

750
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: big bottles too, which is a bit more cost effective.

751
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: I love it. And then they're flavoring in them is

752
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: natural as well. It's not like we're jumping in a

753
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: whole heat of artificial sweetener, which I think is important

754
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: for a lot of our listeners. And then Susie moving

755
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: on to our final segment, this is going to be

756
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: very popular. Let's chat sushi. I mean, we get asked. Oh,

757
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: I can't even I've rune out of fingers to count

758
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: how many times we get asked, is sushi healthy? Is

759
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: sushi a good lunch choice? So if I had to

760
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: give you a black and white answer, my answer would

761
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: probably be no. If your goal is weight loss, I

762
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: fight it's very carb heavy. A lot of the you know,

763
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: it's like fried chicken insided, or it's crum tempure prawn,

764
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: and it's like lathered in that Japanese mayor, which is

765
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: oh so delicious, but really not great for us health

766
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: wise either. And there's quite a lot of sodium as well,

767
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: if you're ordering things like misso or the the ettamamie

768
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: which is covered in salt. So I don't think it's

769
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: a healthier takeaway option, but there's definitely healthier options within.

770
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: If we're going out to have, you know, sushi for

771
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: lunch or something, isn't there.

772
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: Well, I think when people say it's sushi healthy, I say, well,

773
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: are you talking about sushi rolls like California rolls, because

774
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: it's different. Of course, you know, sushimi and and a

775
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: marmae and seaweed, all described as Japanese cuisine is all

776
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: very very.

777
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: Healthy Japanese yeah.

778
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 1: Food, Yeah, But the most common default that people are

779
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: asking when they're saying sushi is all of the rolls

780
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: and you're wetting sushie in the larger ones. Yes, Western

781
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: iied sushi or the big packets of them, which is

782
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: basically laden with huge amounts of white rice, and you

783
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: can get brown rice absolutely, but they're still incredibly high

784
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: in carbohydrates. So, for example, a brown rice tuna roll

785
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: will still be sort of close to at least twenty

786
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: grams of carbohydrate per role, which is almost the amount

787
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: in two slices of bread, without that full factor that

788
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: you're going to have from whole grains or salad, and

789
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: then if you look at the you get the seaweed,

790
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: which is great for an id in content, but they

791
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: often have put a lot of the sweet sauces with

792
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: that rice. And then on top of that, you're getting

793
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: a very low protein addition because you're not getting very

794
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: much of that tuna. And as you describe land, it's

795
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: often fried feelings or mayo that people are erring towards.

796
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: So my feedback to clients is, if you want Japanese

797
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: for lunch, sure, but you've got to go for the sashimi,

798
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: which is obviously a lot more expensive, and then add

799
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: to it you seeweed salad, or you add a marmae

800
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: from some extra protein or semiso for some probiotics and

801
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: fermented food. But I would never suggest more than one

802
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: role if you were having it, and if so, looking

803
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: for a black rice or a brown rice roll because

804
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: you're getting more fiber and a higher nutrient content in that,

805
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: but roles in general, no, there's much better choices. So

806
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: I quite like all of the Vietnamese low carb rice

807
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: paper rolls because you don't get that heavy carbohydrate load,

808
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: you get a lot more protein, a lot more veggies.

809
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: And if you're looking for a role variety, that would

810
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: be my choice every time. But no is sushi the

811
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: way most of us consume it, which as you've described,

812
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: Western I are sushi no because it's basically rice. And

813
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: that's important to remember for our kids because all of

814
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: that process, sticky white rice is not healthy for them either.

815
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: So even though you may think it's a good choice

816
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: for the kids to have sushi when you're out, if

817
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: they're not having sushimi, again, they're just getting process carbohydrates.

818
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: So steer them to the broader range if you can,

819
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: and get them to eat the actual fish rather than

820
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: all that rice.

821
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: And it's just the amount of soy sauce that people

822
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: dump on top of it. So maybe an adult could

823
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 2: hand a little bit of extra salt, but we should

824
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: not be giving that amount of sodium to our children.

825
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. And I really do think that, as you said,

826
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: like for most people, one to two sushi rolls would

827
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: sort of be their maximum carb intake and a meal,

828
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: but most of us are ordering three or four because

829
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: let's be honest, it's just like a whole heap of

830
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: carbs and a little bit of protein that there's nothing

831
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: really in terms of that fullness factor, we're really missing

832
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: that vegetable factor that we really talk about for lunch.

833
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 2: So I would definitely call sushi more of a soul

834
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: food kind of meal, more an occasional treat based meal.

835
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: But we do know a lot of our clients and

836
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: a lot of our listeners are having it, you know,

837
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: once or twice a week because it's a really convenient

838
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: option because there's like a sushi shop down the road

839
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: from work. So I agree with you. There are a

840
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: lot better quissines, you know, even Mexican I think, is

841
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: a lot better than traditional Western sushi. And as you mentioned, Vietnamese,

842
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: it's wonderful additions. The rice paper rolls, Vietnamese salad bowls

843
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: really really good options. Or even going for something like

844
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: a poke bowl, like a deconstructed sort of sushi roll.

845
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: Put it into a pope bowl, out a ton of

846
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: your veggies, half the rice portion, get some leaner protein

847
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: or some sushimi, and really control the additions that you're

848
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: putting on there in terms of sauces and dressings. I

849
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: think that we can do a lot in terms of

850
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: making better choices than just the general sushi rolls, which

851
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: I know, for convenience. Then they're cheap as well, but

852
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: they're just not a great option if you're going to

853
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: have them regularly.

854
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: I've just wanted to check in that little fish of

855
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: soy sauce. Correct me if I'm wrong. It's like six

856
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: hundred milligrams of sodium in that isn't it. It's really high.

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Speaker 2: I've never even looked at up, but I think it's

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Speaker 2: at least a table sort of like nearly a tablespoon

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Speaker 2: of soy sauce, and a lot of people use one

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Speaker 2: little fish per role. If you're having three four sushi rolls,

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Speaker 2: you're having two three four sachets of soy sauce. It's

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Speaker 2: a lot of sodium. So if you're feeling quite thirsty

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Speaker 2: after you have sushi, probably why.

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Speaker 1: Well, a tablespoon of soy sauce has got more than

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Speaker 1: two thousand milligrams of sodium. So that is the upper

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Speaker 1: recommended daily limit for salt.

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Speaker 2: It's a daily limit that's huge.

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Speaker 1: Which means that if you measured out how many in

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Speaker 1: those fishes, which I suspect is at least a third,

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Speaker 1: if not half, if you're having two or three of those,

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Speaker 1: you are having more than you'll recommended daily intake of sodium.

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Speaker 1: And that's without any other food.

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Speaker 2: And that's for an adult as well, not for children.

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Speaker 2: That's an adult.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that's for an adult. That's why you feel thirsty,

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Speaker 1: that's why you're retaining fluid, you feel bloated, So be

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Speaker 1: very mindful. Soy sauce doesn't have many calories in it,

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Speaker 1: but it is so high in sodium that you always

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Speaker 1: must buy the reduce sodium one in supermarkets, and be

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Speaker 1: very mindful. Every little fishy that you're adding with that

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Speaker 1: sushi is is adding in a lot, So just be

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Speaker 1: really mindful of that, particularly with children, because of course

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Speaker 1: the more salt we have, the more we want, and

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Speaker 1: it is that programming effect over time. So that's another

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Speaker 1: reason to be a bit careful when you're ordering Japanese.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's another rant today.

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Speaker 2: That's helpful.

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