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Speaker 1: We know that the first sittings of the year here

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Speaker 1: from Canberra is a Member for Solomon Luke Gosling. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie Luke.

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Speaker 1: Quite a bit of discussion this morning about the Voice

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Speaker 1: after the Northern Territory Parliament moved a motion for the

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, So has that gone to both yet, Katie,

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Speaker 2: I'm not.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent sure. I don't know if they've put

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Speaker 1: the colp have sent a statement out. They say that

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Speaker 1: they've been clear on their position and they want the

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Speaker 1: it's going to make our lives better. They also, though

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Speaker 1: they reckon that today's motions clearly come from the direction

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Speaker 2: Luke, No, not all. It's a bit cheeky, but you know,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought that had come from here at all.

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Speaker 2: But from what I've heard, and I've only just recently

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Speaker 2: the country. And obviously some people have been there in

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Speaker 2: the Parliament, the Federal Parliament right now talking to all

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Speaker 2: because it's going to be going to inform policy, not

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Speaker 1: Luke, I know, look, I'm supportive of the Voice, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope. So, Hey, Luke, let me take you across.

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Speaker 1: Is that something that is on the Prime Minister's agenda

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's definitely on the agenda. And sorry, Katie,

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Speaker 1: Mae, I know that you are rushing back into the chamber.

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Speaker 2: he'd want to. You know, it's an independent body, obviously,

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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank, and you know there's some smart people there,

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Speaker 2: but there's also a lot of people hurting and they

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Speaker 2: would want to be defending whatever rag wises they still

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Speaker 2: think are required to bring inflation under control. But meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: we're doing everything we can in this place, and we've

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Speaker 2: past legislation today on our housing Australia fun to build

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Speaker 2: more affordable housing for example, but also the cheaper childcare

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Speaker 2: comes in on the first of July and seeing people

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Speaker 2: get real wage risers. There are some of the ways

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Speaker 2: that we're attacking the cost of living. The Northern Territory's

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Speaker 2: done pretty well out of the October budget and I'm

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Speaker 2: expecting the same in the May budget and we'll get together.

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Speaker 2: We'll all go forward together if we can just make

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Speaker 2: sure we keep on looking after people that on the

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Speaker 2: bottom run, that we can also realize that people who

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Speaker 2: are aspirational that have got those big mortgages, they need

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Speaker 2: support as well, and that's what we're committed to doing.

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Speaker 1: Well, Louke Gosling or we'll let you go and grab

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Speaker 1: the treasurer and we'd be keen to have a chat

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Speaker 1: to him at some point as well. Always good to

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Speaker 1: catch up with you. Thanks so much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Good on your kadie, and I'll let him know that.

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Speaker 2: But we've also got the Veterans Affairs Minister and the

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Speaker 2: Assistant Defense Minister in town this weekend so people can

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Speaker 2: grab them with any questions go as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff, and I know that there is plenty

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Speaker 1: on for the bombing of Gallowa and commemorations.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks like