1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf for Darwin Mazda Beemer, your 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: home of top quality used cars. It is just on 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: twenty minutes after ten o'clock eight nine four one one 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: four nine, if you'd like to call through this morning. Now, 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: as I mentioned a short time ago, there's been a 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: lot of discussion about Alice Springs and certainly about the 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: issues that are being experienced in Alice Springs. We know 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: that Peter Dutton, the federal opposition leader, has been there the. 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: Last couple of days. 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: But one of the solutions that has indeed been put forward, 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: and we've spoken about it on a couple of occasions, 12 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: is yippering your school and boarding facility at the school. 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 2: And the impact that that may have. 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line right now is the 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: principal of yeppering your school and also a counselor for 16 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: Alice Springstown Council, Gavin Morris. 17 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Gavin. 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners. 19 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Thank you so much for coming 20 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: on the show this morning. 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: Gavin. 22 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: Mate, firstly, can I ask I know we caught up 23 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: with the mayor yesterday, so I guess that the counselors 24 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: had on Firstly, how have things been going from your 25 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: perspective the accounts that we've been getting that things have 26 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: flared up sort of over the Easter weekend. 27 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: What's your perspective at this point. 28 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very accurate, accurate assessment of where we're 29 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: at an Alice Springs. Certainly, in the last probably two 30 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 3: to four weeks, we've had a real escalation around anti 31 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: special behavior and a youth crime in Alice Springs, and 32 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 3: in particular in the last seventy two to ninety six hours. 33 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: Things are really starting to peak and this was expected. 34 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 3: We should be ready for more of it. And you know, 35 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: I guess what we're putting on the table in terms 36 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: of some of the stuff that we're doing on council 37 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: and the work at your prenier is solution based, string 38 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 3: based stuff that's going to BREAKFAE cycle. Yeah. 39 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: That's what I like every time that you and I 40 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: have spoken, is that that you do have some solutions 41 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: up your sleeve of things that you think should be happening. 42 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: Before I get to those, Gavin, can I just ask 43 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: you you'd said that there'd been a real peak in 44 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: the last sort of seventy two to ninety six hours, 45 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: what had happened, what sort of happened in that time frame. 46 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: In terms of sort of youth crime and any social behavior. Yeah, 47 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: I mean if you happen to go out sort of 48 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 3: you know, after dark and move through the Todd Mall 49 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 3: and you know, through some of the eating districts in 50 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: ow of Springs, I mean, it's it's pretty clear to see. 51 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: It's in front of you. It's young children, young people 52 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 3: stealing cars and driving cars around you know, the main 53 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: streets of our springs at a million miles an hour, 54 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: putting everyone at risk, including themselves. You know, last week 55 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: I was I witnessed some catastrophic violence in terms of 56 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: young people who are absolutely reckless, who had total life, 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 3: total control. And shopkeepers, shop fronts, local patrons, community members, 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: everyone's impacted. And it's just it's plain to see. You 59 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 3: don't need to be looking for it. You just have 60 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: to go down to your local movie or ye take 61 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: your family up for a meal and you'll see it. 62 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: And Gavin, you know, the hard part about this is 63 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: like I know that you're a real advocate for young 64 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: people and as the principle of you for in your school, 65 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: you're doing everything in your power to try to get 66 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: kids on the right track in that role as the principle. 67 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Katie and I think this is the important next step. Look, 68 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 3: it's easy to come to Alice Springs and point out 69 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: where the deficit lies and where the violence exists. The 70 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: second part, the more and the more important, more difficult work, 71 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 3: is well what are we going to do about it? 72 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: And you know, I can put forward some examples like 73 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: I've just done there in terms of where things are 74 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: going wrong, but the next important step is well, what 75 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: are the solutions? And yet burna Across the last twelve 76 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: to eighteen months, we've been able to demonstrate that if 77 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: you can get a few parts of the huzzle right, 78 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: and a part of that is listening to our original 79 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: community and then providing non indigenous support to wrap around 80 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: that in a way that's culturally sensitive, you can make sustainable, 81 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: long term change that's very measurable. I mean, you know, 82 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: I've spoken in the past of this program around our 83 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: increase of enrollment which is now well above three hundred 84 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: percent since those took over the range of your premia. 85 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 3: And that's not about me. That's just about a bunch 86 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: of principles which are common in Aboriginal communities, which if 87 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 3: you get right, can make change. And the next part 88 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: of that for us is around providing safe and stable 89 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: accommodation for our kids at your prena. 90 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: So, Gavin, you know, talk us through that situation right now, 91 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: because obviously, you know, the thing that's making national headlines 92 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: today is the comments that were made by Peter Dutton 93 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: yesterday about child sexual abuse. But I want to just 94 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: step away from that for a second and talk about 95 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: the fact that, again, like you and I have spoken 96 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: about before, there are kids that are out on the 97 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: street that we don't actually want out on the street, 98 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: but if they don't have somewhere safe to be. This 99 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: is where it seems as though the boarding facility at 100 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: y Barinya is a no brainer. 101 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: It is in a lot of ways, and I know 102 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: that there's a lot of people calling for curfews, which 103 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 3: will get to which we'll get our young people off 104 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: the street, but you have to take them somewhere birthly 105 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: which is safe, and secondly where they want to go. 106 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: So if you round up our kids off the streets 107 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 3: tonight and take them back to unsafe housing, whether it 108 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: be in out the springs all beyond the kids are 109 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 3: going to flee again, and it's going to be a 110 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: constant doing and throwing. You're not going to break that cycle. 111 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: And what we've proposed and yet for any by listening 112 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: to our community is we've demonstrated that holistic support around 113 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: the student, and around the family and around the community 114 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: makes a huge difference. And the next part of that 115 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: is providing accommodation to ensure that Firstly, our kids are 116 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: off the street and they're safe. Secondly, they're getting into 117 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 3: a habit of of healthy living like we all would 118 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: expect in twenty twenty three, So they get to build 119 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 3: a pattern of habit and build a pattern of teaching 120 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 3: and learning because these are the next future leaders of 121 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: Alice Springer's community. And if we don't get it right 122 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: with the current ten and twelve and fourteen year old, 123 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 3: this is going to escalate. And while we witnessing now 124 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: in teny of your time, we'll look back and go, gee, 125 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 3: things are okay in twenty twenty three. 126 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: Kevin, where are things at right now with this proposal 127 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: for the boarding element of the school. 128 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 3: So I've had conversations with niAA, which are the major 129 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: funders across Aboriginal community, if you like, in the last 130 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: four to six weeks, and they've chased some nuanced information 131 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: around operational sort of costs and consideration, so that the 132 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: conversation has progressed somewhat. Okaatie, are you asking me whether 133 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 3: I've got in my back pocket a signed agreement in 134 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: terms of shoveling the ground date in terms of getting 135 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 3: how you bring your boarding facility up and running no 136 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 3: I day And you know it's any times where you've 137 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: got very seen you a very high profile of people 138 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,559 Speaker 3: like Senator Price and the Opposition leader Peter Dutton in town, 139 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: it can be you can become a political football pretty quickly. 140 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: And I just want to make a very clear for 141 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: your listeners that I'm not trying to play one side 142 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: of politics against the other. The NTGL were very closely 143 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: with Chief Minister files Evil or our Minister of Education 144 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: at NTG and at federal level. We've got support for 145 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: this from both sides of politics. At the moment, I 146 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: don't have a sign agreement around yes we're going to 147 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 3: go ahead, but I am confident Katie that we have 148 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: moved the conversation forwards until last time that we spoke. 149 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: But time is of the essence. Now, since the last 150 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: time that I was on your program, I've had absolutely 151 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: I can say to your listeners that I've had some 152 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: of us that Yephrenia is actually assaulted. I can absolutely 153 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: say that I've had some of our male and female 154 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: staff experience very serious domestic violence. I can say chargorically 155 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: that I've had a number of our eight, nine, and 156 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: ten and twelve year olds in contact with police, locked 157 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: up in detention in its incarceration. And while we weigh 158 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: more of this happens, and we know that once some 159 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: of it, we know that when this kids start the cycle, 160 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 3: it's very, very difficult to get. 161 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: Them off bloody hell. Gavin, note that brings tears to 162 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: my eyes. You saying that, so, I can't imagine how 163 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: tough it is for you as the principal of the school, 164 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: knowing that as time goes on, more of this happens. 165 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: It escalates the compounds in variety. In severity, it does 166 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 3: bring tea to your eyes. I'm in a very privileged 167 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 3: position at your Premia school. The stuff that we're talking 168 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: about today I identify as one part of our school. 169 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: The majority of what we do with Yaphrenia is we 170 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: are the most unique school in the country. Were the 171 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 3: only school that teaches them for Aboriginal languages. Our Aboriginal 172 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: stuff with hundreds and hundreds of years of teaching experience, 173 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: are absolutely brilliant. We have the answers to the solutions 174 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: that you're Prenia School. We just need a bit of 175 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 3: support and around the getting the funding for the next 176 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 3: piece of our puzzle, around holistic support, which is the 177 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: boarding facility. I'd be happy to walk from our springs 178 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: to Darwin Katie's years this meeting. I don't know what's 179 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 3: the impact that's going to make, but it's a very 180 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: privileged position that I'm in and I'm there to make 181 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: a sustainable change that takes Aboriginal people forward in a 182 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: two way world to ensure that we're Aboriginal leaders in 183 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 3: the future. Mate. 184 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Was that a challenge Davin, that. 185 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: You're going to walk there to get that publicity to 186 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: do it or is it just a metaphorical thing that 187 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: you'd absolutely be prepared to do that for those kids. 188 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 3: Well, o, Katie, I'm happy to do anything at the moment. 189 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 3: You know, some of the stuff that I'm willing to 190 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 3: do for your premial, which everything is on the table 191 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: day at night. Myself and our staff. We offer support 192 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 3: through the school day, weekends, public holidays, across the Christmas period. 193 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 3: We're at twenty four hour a day school and some 194 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: of the stuff that I'm doing now, Okatie's actually far 195 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: more difficult than walking to Darwin. Yeah, and some of 196 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: the some of some of the help that our families 197 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: are crying out for. It's far more difficult than that. 198 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 3: But you know, if someone had to say to me, 199 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: why don't you walk to Darwin and we'll sign a 200 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 3: deal for you, I get the running shoes on the marrow. 201 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: I know you would. 202 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: And Mate, this is what I love about every time 203 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: I speak to you, is that I can actually hear 204 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: the absolute care and passion in your voice that you 205 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: have got for the students, for the teaching staff, for 206 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: all you know, everybody involved in that school. And I 207 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: think what you do is by speaking to us and 208 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: by speaking to the audiences, you. 209 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: Make it really real. 210 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: You know what you said a little bit earlier about 211 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: you know the fact that the last time you're on 212 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: the show, since then, you know, there have been kids 213 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: that have been on the wrong side of the law. 214 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: There have been kids that have been sexually assaulted. You know, 215 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: like that's it's heartbreaking and it really hits to home. 216 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: I think for everybody listening, just how important it is 217 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: that there is action taken. 218 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is action. It's not you know, I'm 219 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: a proud not indigenous male that's in a very privileged position. 220 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 3: I'm not a fre anti panny throw I'm not here 221 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: to you know, pull on the heart strings of your 222 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 3: listeners around the Northern character and beyond. You know, I 223 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: work on the front line in a very complex space, 224 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 3: a very unique space. And you're pur in your school 225 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: is the true school of Alice Springs. It's an amazing 226 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 3: school with so much potential to change. It's demonstrated that 227 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 3: over forty years and now we're in a real youth 228 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 3: crisis youth. Is there absolutely future to Alice Springs in 229 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 3: terms of his lead. And it's not me throwing around 230 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 3: motherhood statements and what comments around what should happen and 231 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 3: what would happen in an imaginary world. I'm on the 232 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: front line. I've done you know, I'm very very privileged 233 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: to work with Aboriginal communities in the top end around 234 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 3: the pad work around truth telling and around building Aboriginal 235 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 3: leadership capacity in a way that makes a difference. And 236 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: this is another example of that. It's certainly not a 237 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: white filar standing up and speaking on behalf of Aboriginal 238 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: communities with motherhood statements. But me and nothing go nowhere. 239 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: We need action, and we. 240 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: Need it now, Kevin, how big a difference you know, 241 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: if the sporting school and this boarding element of the 242 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: school can get unlock, you know, can get up and running, 243 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: how big a difference do you believe it can make 244 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: to the lives of some of these young people? 245 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 3: At an extraordinary difference? I mean, you're pretty school at 246 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: the moment spends one million dollars a year on non 247 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: teaching staff in what we call our Happy Heart Hub, 248 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 3: which is where we where we deal with all of 249 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 3: behavior issues, with assessments and diagnoses, and kids come in 250 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: to school with trauma. We've got occupational therapists and un 251 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 3: carees of psychologists, social workers, youth workers, a blending of 252 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 3: a biomedical Western medical model and traditional healing practices that 253 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: blends those two wills together. We can offer that, and 254 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: we are spending that and resourcing that. That's the really 255 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 3: important piece of our puzzles. But at the end of 256 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 3: the school day, whether it's at three o'clock, at eight 257 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: pm or ten thirty pm, we can't then be dropping 258 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: our kids off at homes which aren't safe. Many of 259 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 3: our families are fantastic and doing amazing job raising their children, 260 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 3: but there's a growing number of our families that are 261 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: in crisis. They need support, and it's absolutely critical for 262 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: our students, for their families, for my staff, for our staff, 263 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: that we provide accommodation which is long term, which is safe, 264 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 3: and which is culturally appropriate. And we're putting that on 265 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: the table that you're bring your school well. 266 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: Gavin Morris there for in your school principle and also 267 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: counselor on the Alae Springs Council. I always appreciate your time, 268 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: and I appreciate the fact that you're prepared to have 269 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: the difficult conversations, but you're also stepping forward with some solutions. 270 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me on, Katie, and I'm 271 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 3: hoping for the next time that we speak, I've got 272 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 3: some great news. I'm sure that's the case. Yeah, and 273 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 3: it's not me to jumping on here on my high 274 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 3: horse sort of, you know, exaggerating how bad things are 275 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: in Alice Springs and talking in a deficit model that's 276 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: easy to do. It's been tasted to be able to 277 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 3: share some of the stuff that's happening in our springs, 278 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: but they're putting forward a solution which has come from 279 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: community where you know this is a real possibility for 280 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 3: sustainable change. 281 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Gavin Morris, mate, I really appreciate you having a 282 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: chat with me this morning. 283 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. 284 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: Thanks Katie, enjoying it Friday and have great weekend. 285 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: Yeah you too, Thank you. We'll talk to you soon.