Speaker 1: Good Apeter Hally here, Welcome to you.
Speaker 2: A Seeing Nothing Yet the Movie podcast, where I chat
Speaker 2: to a movie lover about a classic, oh beloved movie
Speaker 2: they haven't quite got around to watching until now.
Speaker 1: And today's guest comedian Tony Martin.
Speaker 3: Oh Christmas isn't just today, It's a frame of mine.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, sounds like someone needs to singer Christmas Carol.
Speaker 1: Very Christmas.
Speaker 4: You're fealthy animals.
Speaker 1: They could happen any rife.
Speaker 5: Do you see nothing new?
Speaker 1: Quite simple?
Speaker 2: Tony Martin is one of the most revered comedians in Australia.
Speaker 2: There wouldn't be many of us who wouldn't consider Tony
Speaker 2: either an influence or an inspiration from the d Generation
Speaker 2: to the Late Show for Martin Maloy to get this.
Speaker 2: Tony is an author, a stand up comedian, a podcaster.
Speaker 2: His series Sizzletown is Magnificent. Tony also wrote and directed
Speaker 2: two thousand and three is Hilarious movie Bad Eggs. The
Speaker 2: amazing thing about Tony is how prolific he is, but
Speaker 2: how he keeps his bar always very high.
Speaker 3: Tony Martin, Hello everyone, I'm Tony Martin. Three of my
Speaker 3: favorite films would be This is Spinal Tax.
Speaker 5: It's a fine line between stupid and clever.
Speaker 3: Turn about singing in the rain.
Speaker 2: This California do is just a little heavier than usual.
Speaker 3: Tonight really and midnight run.
Speaker 2: These sunglasses they're really nice.
Speaker 1: Are the government issue that all you guys going like
Speaker 1: to this in stored again?
Speaker 3: But up until three nights ago, I had never seen
Speaker 3: Top Gun.
Speaker 2: It's noisy, it's bombastic, it's patriotic, and featuring Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1: Top Gun may just be the most American film of
Speaker 1: all time.
Speaker 2: The US Navy's Top Fighter pilots had the San Diego
Speaker 2: to play beach volleyball, hang out in their underwear, and
Speaker 2: played tonsil hockey with their teachers. Will Maverick and Goose
Speaker 2: take out the Top Gun title and live to tell
Speaker 2: the story. Let's find out if Tony Muttin felt the
Speaker 2: need the need for speed?
Speaker 3: Peter, can I just ask it? People have been coming
Speaker 3: on this podcast. Do they generally like the film they
Speaker 3: haven't seen?
Speaker 2: There's been a couple, there's been Rachel cor but did
Speaker 2: not necessarily love Castaway.
Speaker 1: Matt Preston had in a bit of an is some
Speaker 1: issues with Get Out?
Speaker 3: Oh good?
Speaker 2: So I'm sending I'm sending a vibe.
Speaker 3: Well, I went down the list of films that other
Speaker 3: people have done, and it's like, it's all my favorite films.
Speaker 3: It's Apocalypse, Now, The Godfather with Nila and I, Heat
Speaker 3: Star Wars, Jaws, and then I've realized I've seen all those.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: The idea is you have to see a film you
Speaker 3: haven't seen. And if I haven't seen a film, it's
Speaker 3: usually because I know I'm not gonna like it. And
Speaker 3: I was proved correct here and I'm sorry. I know
Speaker 3: this is a celebration of cinema and some people have
Speaker 3: maybe clicked on this and gone, it'll be an affectionate
Speaker 3: reminisce of one of my favorite films. And I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have to be the bad guy in this one.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid you are the villain. You are the Iceman, Oh.
Speaker 3: My god, the Iceman. Every time I saw Val Kilma,
Speaker 3: I kept thinking, I wish I was watching Top Secret
Speaker 3: and not Top Gun. I wish Nick Rivers would come
Speaker 3: out and do a number.
Speaker 2: Top Secret was his very debut film. I love Top
Speaker 2: Secrets such a good I prefer that over the Flying High.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm from New Zealand, we call it airplane.
Speaker 1: You got the airplane, which is the American.
Speaker 3: It was only in Australia it was called Flying High.
Speaker 2: I'm always curious as to why those decisions get made.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's often. I actually someone told me with Airplane
Speaker 3: it was because they were worried that Australians would confuse
Speaker 3: it with one of the airport movies that it was
Speaker 3: setting up. And you go, well, it wasn't a problem
Speaker 3: in America. They often do change the name, like I
Speaker 3: remember Harry and the Hendersons became Bigfoot and the Henderson's
Speaker 3: for Australia. Yes, Howard the Duck. I have a lot
Speaker 3: of these in my brain. Howard the Duck. Though it
Speaker 3: was such a disaster, they called it Howard dot dot
Speaker 3: Dot a new kind of Hero. And then he was
Speaker 3: only in silhouette, but it is clearly a duck, like
Speaker 3: it was a duck shaped silhouette. There was no disguising
Speaker 3: that Howard the New kind of Hero was a duck, sorry,
Speaker 3: a new breed of hero.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the other going the other way. Mad Max,
Speaker 2: of course was became road Warrior.
Speaker 3: The second one became Robot. Was that last one was
Speaker 3: mad still Mad Max?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: The second one was just called the Road Warrior. But
Speaker 3: with the first one, didn't they redouble the voices because
Speaker 3: no one could understand. I would love to hear that version.
Speaker 1: That would be amazing.
Speaker 2: Who I wonder who would play in the early eighties,
Speaker 2: who would play Max?
Speaker 3: Sorry, the planes going overhead? I think we under the
Speaker 3: fly recording this podcast. I didn't think so this could
Speaker 3: be we may have to interrupt the iceman buzz it's
Speaker 3: requested a fly by Derek.
Speaker 1: Did you get it?
Speaker 2: You didn't get it. There was no request made. My
Speaker 2: copy copies have lids on them, Thank god.
Speaker 3: Oh good exactly. I'm jumping all around here because I've
Speaker 3: had a couple of coffees. That bloke who kept spilling
Speaker 3: his coffee. That was my favorite part of the film
Speaker 3: because I kept thinking, if this was a Zucker Brothers
Speaker 3: airplane style parody, and there was one, wasn't thereto hot shots?
Speaker 3: They would just have that guy spilling his coffee in
Speaker 3: every seed. That was one of the few bits I enjoyed.
Speaker 2: Well, let's come back to Top Gun because obviously there's
Speaker 2: a lot, or maybe very little to discuss, but your
Speaker 2: three favorite films, some classic films.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Spinal Tap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Spiral Tap is. I mean, it's sort of
Speaker 3: maybe lost its power a little bit because everyone knows
Speaker 3: every bit of it. But I'm old enough to remember
Speaker 3: when it first came out, and there had never been
Speaker 3: a fake documentary. There had been. I think Woody Allen's
Speaker 3: Take the Money and Run is maybe the first movie
Speaker 3: that presents itself as a documentary as a fake documentary,
Speaker 3: but it's clearly a comedy sketch. But the acting in
Speaker 3: Spinal tapis because his improvise is so realistic. I remember people,
Speaker 3: and this has become a cliche to say this, but
Speaker 3: I saw it at Brisbane University in eighty five, I think,
Speaker 3: and I remember people coming out confused and I heard
Speaker 3: a woman go why would they make a film about
Speaker 3: such a mediocre band? And because the acting was so naturalistic,
Speaker 3: it wasn't like The Rattles where it's clearly scripted. Yes,
Speaker 3: people just hadn't seen a fake documentary that was realistic before.
Speaker 3: And then you're going, but the drummers were exploding. That's
Speaker 3: the one thing in that film that like Zucker Brothers style,
Speaker 3: but everything else is realistic.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Stumpy's replacement Peter James Barne. He also died in mysterious circumstances.
Speaker 5: We were playing a festival, jazz blues festival when that
Speaker 5: blues jazz really blues jazz festival.
Speaker 1: It was in the Isle of Lucy.
Speaker 5: And it was tragic, really.
Speaker 1: He exploded on stage.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that blew me. I mean it was. It's
Speaker 3: funny when you watch spinal Tap now, it's like you're
Speaker 3: watching the best of spinal Tap, because every bit of
Speaker 3: it is a classic bit.
Speaker 1: Have you listened to the DVD commentary.
Speaker 3: Oh with them as the band?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, and that's pointing out all the extopst who
Speaker 1: had been now.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly and claiming they were tricked. They've only used
Speaker 3: all the bad stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to imagine a comedy or think
Speaker 2: of a comedy that's had more of an influence. But
Speaker 2: if you think now, obviously Christopher Guests well sorry, I
Speaker 2: mean Christopher Guess was was you know, but he went
Speaker 2: under makee all these great films with Wading for Guffman
Speaker 2: and Best in Show. But obviously Ricky Gervais with the Office,
Speaker 2: which is the UK and the US version, maybe the
Speaker 2: biggest sitcoms of recent times wouldn't exist.
Speaker 1: I don't think without spinal tap.
Speaker 3: No, the fake docco sort of thing. The and the Office.
Speaker 3: The Office though had a new What I loved about
Speaker 3: the Office is remember they would have scenes where they
Speaker 3: didn't know they were being filmed and they would be
Speaker 3: slightly different. Yeah right, yeah, the acting was slightly yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: but spinal tap is yeah, there's another cliches every band,
Speaker 3: like when we were doing Martin Molloy, literally every musician
Speaker 3: who came in, we go, what do you think of
Speaker 3: spinal tap? And they their faces would fall. I remember
Speaker 3: Status Quo going, it's just a documentary about us, and
Speaker 3: every band didn't matter who it was, somehow thought that
Speaker 3: it was about them. And I remember we had Harry
Speaker 3: Sheer on the show we go who is it about?
Speaker 3: And he said that he in research for it, had
Speaker 3: gone on tour with a band called Saxon Heavy Metal Bed.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember Saxon, so there's an element of that.
Speaker 3: And Christopher Guest, I think, is clearly playing Jeff Beck,
Speaker 3: the guitarist. It's pretty much an impression of him.
Speaker 1: I have a similar story Tony. I played a character
Speaker 1: called Strawny for.
Speaker 2: And I was invited to play at the MCG for
Speaker 2: a charity cricket match actually for the Shane Warn Foundation,
Speaker 2: and I found and a few people came up to me,
Speaker 2: and because the cricket spent a lot of time overseas,
Speaker 2: so they went really some of them weren't as a
Speaker 2: cross drawing and some of the others. So a lot
Speaker 2: of them thought I was just taking a piece out
Speaker 2: of Warning, and then a few I came out here
Speaker 2: came up to me and it's just like you're taking
Speaker 2: a piece out of Warning, and Warning.
Speaker 3: To this moment, I never realized that it rhymed.
Speaker 1: It was it partly that it was a complete coincidence.
Speaker 2: So and I found out later that Warning had kind
Speaker 2: of like maybe had thought it was based on him,
Speaker 2: and it was just it was a coincidence.
Speaker 1: Somebody else came up with the name.
Speaker 2: Paul Collegia came up with the name, the initial idea
Speaker 2: of doing it, and and it was a complete coincidence.
Speaker 2: And it was more based on a Big Brother contestant,
Speaker 2: not a specific Big Brother contestant, but the idea if
Speaker 2: a Big Brother contestant, you know, got drafted into the AFL,
Speaker 2: he'd be more obsessed with the fame than he actually
Speaker 2: would be doing the work.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I know how Harry Sheier feels.
Speaker 3: I love the fact that no one can spell Strawny,
Speaker 3: and I've always felt that that was you taking the
Speaker 3: pins out of how no one can spell your name.
Speaker 3: To this day, still see Hellier spelled incorrectly.
Speaker 2: It is I've been to a venue where I'm performing
Speaker 2: to a thousand people and my name is misspelled at
Speaker 2: the front. Really yeah, wow, It's like just if I
Speaker 2: get an email requested me to do something now and
Speaker 2: my name is incorrectly, I don't, I don't do it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: We I talked about this many times, but I work
Speaker 3: with Sado Claro for years, and when you work in radio,
Speaker 3: you get sent invitations to things, and he had a
Speaker 3: wall of misspellings of his name over five years. It
Speaker 3: was just wallpaper. Our favorite was Snatto Goro. To this day,
Speaker 3: if I have to introduce him on a radio show,
Speaker 3: I'll bring him on as Snatto Goro.
Speaker 1: Singing in the Rain.
Speaker 3: I saw.
Speaker 2: I saw this when I was very young, and I
Speaker 2: don't have the you know, the muscle memory call back,
Speaker 2: particularly to their Singing in the Rain.
Speaker 1: But what does it mean to you?
Speaker 3: It's a musical and it's full of amazing dance numbers,
Speaker 3: tap dancing numbers with Gene Kelly and everyone knows make
Speaker 3: them laugh. But what makes it still work is it's
Speaker 3: the comedy in It works because it's about a weirdly
Speaker 3: specific thing, which is the transition from silent movies to
Speaker 3: sound movies. Like even then, it must have been a
Speaker 3: weirdly specific thing to do a big budget Hollywood film about.
Speaker 3: And so it's about how these I mean, if you
Speaker 3: know anything about that era, there were all these huge
Speaker 3: movie stars who when sound came in, suddenly we're out
Speaker 3: of work because they had terrible voices. And so that's
Speaker 3: what this is about. And for the first couple of
Speaker 3: years of sound cinema, they didn't have the boom microphone.
Speaker 3: They would have the microphone would be enormous and would
Speaker 3: be hidden inside a vase of flowers. Everyone would have
Speaker 3: to go and stand and sort of lean suspiciously towards
Speaker 3: a vase of flowers in order to be recorded. And
Speaker 3: all of these weird quirks of that are in the film.
Speaker 3: And so it's really modern. So the comedy of Singing
Speaker 3: in the Rain is still really modern. It's like a
Speaker 3: it's like a Larry Sanders show almost from nineteen fifty
Speaker 3: two or whenever.
Speaker 1: I'll have to read really great, I'll have to revisit that.
Speaker 3: The problem is people, I think, know, they just think, oh,
Speaker 3: it's a shitty old musical. And I remember they did
Speaker 3: a stage show of it a couple of years ago
Speaker 3: in Melbourne and we had the guy I was doing
Speaker 3: Nova Breakfast and we had the guy who was the
Speaker 3: lead who was who is he? The guy from Bootman
Speaker 3: and Coyote Ugly And so he comes on the show
Speaker 3: and I told him a story that Ross Noble had
Speaker 3: told me, Am, I getting too far off.
Speaker 1: The tow r No, this is what is part of
Speaker 1: the We've only got top gunder.
Speaker 3: This gus Well, there was this yeah, if we can
Speaker 3: stave that off as long as possible, Peter. But there
Speaker 3: was a stage musical of Singing in the Rain and
Speaker 3: it was done in the West End of London, and
Speaker 3: obviously it had to rain on stage, so they had
Speaker 3: a giant tank of water over the stage and then
Speaker 3: it would rain down and then it would drain away
Speaker 3: and then fill up again at the top. Ross Noble
Speaker 3: told me that the actor who was the lead in
Speaker 3: the West End was so hated by everyone in acting
Speaker 3: in London that every night actors from all over the
Speaker 3: West End would come to piss in the rain tank.
Speaker 3: Really famous nights would be climbing up into the top
Speaker 3: of the theater to take a piece in the rain tank.
Speaker 3: So it was Dan, Judy, Dan, she had a crack.
Speaker 3: And I was telling this to this guy, Adam Garcia,
Speaker 3: who was coming out in Melbourt, and you could just
Speaker 3: see his face going, who have I offended? And he
Speaker 3: was genuinely shaken.
Speaker 1: But I love the idea of that being in his
Speaker 1: head in every Norman.
Speaker 2: What a glorious feeling I'm carving in, What a wonderful
Speaker 2: and warm feeling.
Speaker 1: Midnight Run.
Speaker 2: For some reason, I I'm aware that you love Midnight Run,
Speaker 2: and I'm not surprised that It's the reason.
Speaker 3: I always bring it up is that back in the
Speaker 3: era of video shops, because I was known from the
Speaker 3: radio as being a film nerd if I was ever
Speaker 3: in a video shop, like on a Friday or Saturday night,
Speaker 3: I would every time be approached by people, what should
Speaker 3: we get? We can't find anything? All the new all
Speaker 3: the cards are in the new releases that they want,
Speaker 3: you know, not available, And my go to was always
Speaker 3: Midnight Run because it's a film, possibly just because of
Speaker 3: the blandness of its name, A lot of people haven't
Speaker 3: seen it. It wasn't a huge hit when it came out,
Speaker 3: but it is. It's my most fail safe film in
Speaker 3: that I've never met anyone who doesn't like it.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: It just works every time. It's de Niro and Charles
Speaker 2: g Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's funny, isn't it.
Speaker 2: And I've never thought of it like that? But maybe
Speaker 2: that the name just kind of got lost. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's got Robert de Niro in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people they're not sure if they've seen it or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder why if you get confused with Midnight Cowboy.
Speaker 3: Or Midnight Express not expressed, that's dangerous. It's not a
Speaker 3: fun Saturday.
Speaker 1: Night Come on kids. Tony Martin recommended that.
Speaker 3: He says, it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Dear, What did what did growing up in New Zealand?
Speaker 1: What did the movies mean to you? Did you you know?
Speaker 1: Did you were you were you know? I imagine you
Speaker 1: went a lot.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was this. It was all about the
Speaker 3: Saturday matinee one thirty. You would just go every week,
Speaker 3: no matter what was on. And I was trying to
Speaker 3: remember recently what the first Do you remember what the
Speaker 3: first film you saw?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Pirate movie.
Speaker 3: Really the Australian par Christopher and Christy McNichol.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I saw at Greensboro twin and I remember
Speaker 2: mostly because I got they used to do the tie
Speaker 2: in at the candy store, the tie in, you know,
Speaker 2: promotions and the candy treasure treasure chest. I remember that
Speaker 2: as much as I remember the movie. I have seen
Speaker 2: it since it's not great.
Speaker 1: It's not great.
Speaker 2: Let NICKI Britain came in and highlighted it is one
Speaker 2: of her favorite films. O, pardon me, I think we wanted.
Speaker 3: I didn't see it, but I remember being excited by
Speaker 3: it coming out because Norman Gunston was in Norman he
Speaker 3: was in there. But the first film I saw was
Speaker 3: it was a compilation movie of Charlie Chaplin shorts. My
Speaker 3: grandmother took me to that, so it wasn't a proper film,
Speaker 3: but it was amazing because we didn't even have TV
Speaker 3: at that point. So it is weird to see a
Speaker 3: movie having never seen TV. Wow, Like it's just the
Speaker 3: first images. The cutting is confusing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: it's going to a different angle and I'm like four
Speaker 3: seeing that. But the first proper film I saw it,
Speaker 3: this is insane that we were taken to. This was
Speaker 3: Fantastic Voyage. Do you remember that. No. Fantastic Voyage is
Speaker 3: a science fiction movie from the mid sixties where a
Speaker 3: whole lot of scientists are shrunk down to microscopic level
Speaker 3: and put into a spaceship which is injected into the
Speaker 3: blood stream of diplomat who's about to die so they
Speaker 3: can destroy all the cancer cells that are going to
Speaker 3: kill him. So this is the plot of the film.
Speaker 3: People are shrunk down and injected into someone in a
Speaker 3: tiny spaceship and so they're battling red blood cells and
Speaker 3: antibodies and stuff like that. So that is like and
Speaker 3: it's kaleidoscopic and sixties good. It was amazing. I was
Speaker 3: terrified by it. I'm going on, what if we all
Speaker 3: got shrunk down, what would the cat do? But what
Speaker 3: I always remember is we would suit with my uncle
Speaker 3: and one of the people who's shrunk down is rack
Speaker 3: El Well you know who that is. It was the
Speaker 3: actress famous for having large breasts. I remember uncle Gay.
Speaker 3: Well she's been shucked down to microscopic size, but there's
Speaker 3: still bloody hues.
Speaker 1: That was.
Speaker 3: That was a big joke at our house for many years.
Speaker 3: But yeah, fantastic voyage. I got it recently on Blu Ray,
Speaker 3: and of course it's nowhere as impressive as it seemed
Speaker 3: what I was four.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I get the impression some movies are only released
Speaker 2: on Blue Ray. For Tony Martin, We're still there's still
Speaker 2: some of them saying you there. I still got to
Speaker 2: I realized recently I still have a VHS player I was.
Speaker 2: I'm told they're very hard to come by.
Speaker 1: I imagine it's probably worth quite a bit. It's weird.
Speaker 2: Now they'll come back into vogue. My kids have asked
Speaker 2: for record players for Christmas. In my eighteen and sixteen
Speaker 2: year old there as for a record players when we
Speaker 2: was buying them records, which I'm not sure if they
Speaker 2: know how annoying records are. Yeah, I mean I do
Speaker 2: love records, and I've come and gotten back back into them.
Speaker 2: But when you have to get up every sixteen minutes, yeah,
Speaker 2: change sides.
Speaker 3: You know, who thought we would live long enough to
Speaker 3: see the record section be larger than the CD section
Speaker 3: at JBHI five.
Speaker 1: That is incredible.
Speaker 2: Often in this podcast has come up where people's favorite
Speaker 2: films are often the films.
Speaker 1: They taped off.
Speaker 2: The TV I had on VHS was that like a
Speaker 2: large part, you know, a large thing.
Speaker 3: I think, so I remember, yeah, I remember VHS coming
Speaker 3: in And I actually worked at an army surplus store
Speaker 3: that had a what do you call it home appliance department,
Speaker 3: and they had the first VHS machines, and this is
Speaker 3: like nineteen eighty one, and what I would do is
Speaker 3: I would tape there was a sketch comedy show called
Speaker 3: Not the Nine o'clock News with Rowan Atkinson, and I
Speaker 3: would set the machine in the window of the shop
Speaker 3: to tape it, and then I would get in early
Speaker 3: the next morning, like at six in the morning and
Speaker 3: set up a second VHS player and record the sketches
Speaker 3: over onto a compilation tape. I was making over several
Speaker 3: months of just the good sketches from that show, and
Speaker 3: you'd have to pause, like, I don't know if anyone
Speaker 3: would even remember doing this making compilation tapes. So the
Speaker 3: VHS was like, yes, you have to. There was an
Speaker 3: art to it because depending on how far into the
Speaker 3: tape you were, you would have to hit pause earlier,
Speaker 3: yes or unpaused to make the edits seamless. This is
Speaker 3: such a nerdic diversion.
Speaker 1: Pardon me, my my.
Speaker 2: We went to a market, the bunder or Weather Market
Speaker 2: at near where I lived, and it was my brother's
Speaker 2: my brother's friend's birthday. My brother's four years older than me,
Speaker 2: and and my brother wasn't there. But mom said they
Speaker 2: had all these pirated tapes, cassette tapes, right, and one
Speaker 2: of them was Jimmy Barnes's freight Train hert and my
Speaker 2: mum saw.
Speaker 1: It and it was like like three bucks.
Speaker 2: Back then, you know, you probably suld have been twelve bucks,
Speaker 2: but it was like three or five bucks. So I said,
Speaker 2: iet gonna get that, and then so she got so
Speaker 2: she we bought it. But then she goes, it's Mark,
Speaker 2: my brother's birthday coming up. Why don't you tape it
Speaker 2: the freight train heart and we'll give it to Mark
Speaker 2: for his birthday as well. These are before the double deckings,
Speaker 2: so I bastually had to play like get two stereos
Speaker 2: in the room, like two ghetto blasters in the room,
Speaker 2: play Jimmy Barnes freight train hard on one and then
Speaker 2: we just record on another.
Speaker 1: On the atmosphere around it, Dad was mowing the lawns.
Speaker 3: An answer birthday for Wow, it would be great to
Speaker 3: hear that though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to have that.
Speaker 3: You should send it to Jimmy bark him.
Speaker 1: Where did you're telling that story? And you are very
Speaker 1: you are across that that.
Speaker 2: You know, you love compiling sketches and producing sketches and
Speaker 2: put them together and you and you work with the
Speaker 2: one for.
Speaker 1: Matt Down's like, where did that love come from?
Speaker 3: Sketch Well, I was just a mad It's funny because
Speaker 3: sketch comedy goes in and out of fashion. I mean,
Speaker 3: you were in Isshue what was the one you skihouse?
Speaker 3: And that was part of a remember there was like
Speaker 3: they were all chan.
Speaker 1: The sketch wars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for some reason, all the networks the started to
Speaker 2: do sketch comedy at the same time, which is a
Speaker 2: bit weird.
Speaker 1: That's Big Bite, Big Bite and Comedy inc.
Speaker 3: And then and then it goes away for ten years
Speaker 3: and then it comes back. It was Open Slaver and
Speaker 3: I don't know how successful that was, but that seems
Speaker 3: to have been the end except for black comedy. I
Speaker 3: guess there's just not a lot of straight up sketch
Speaker 3: comedy in It's right, yeah, and it goes out of fashion.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's.
Speaker 2: It's heading in a you know, in a new direction,
Speaker 2: which I think is a positive direction in the way
Speaker 2: like Arnie Donna is yeah exactly, you know, is just
Speaker 2: killing it and comedy bang bang and that stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's all good.
Speaker 2: Now, all right, let's let's let's just compose ourselves, right
Speaker 2: we might we might take a word from our sponsor
Speaker 2: and come back and get into mav and goose.
Speaker 1: All right, Tony, what did you know of Top Gun
Speaker 1: going in?
Speaker 3: I knew about the soundtrack album. I remember that a
Speaker 3: lot of people seem to have that. I knew there
Speaker 3: would be planes and warfare, and I remember being confused
Speaker 3: about what war was taking place. And that's one of
Speaker 3: the I think one of the worst aspects of the film.
Speaker 3: And the enemy is just this ill defined. It's a
Speaker 3: very patriotic American film, but they don't have the guts
Speaker 3: to name the enemy they're taking on or even show them.
Speaker 3: So there's some meg fighters at the beginning, but then
Speaker 3: it's never said what country they're from.
Speaker 1: It was Cannaba.
Speaker 3: That you passed. And then at the end they're shooting
Speaker 3: them down like that, and then but you don't even
Speaker 3: see the pilots of the other play. It's very strange.
Speaker 2: It is extremely strange all of a sudden, and like
Speaker 2: just off the coast of San Diego.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're so he's America being invaded.
Speaker 2: Like it's even the fact that there's there's danger so
Speaker 2: close to the United States.
Speaker 1: They don't seem to even pumped that up as a
Speaker 1: like this is.
Speaker 3: No it's sort of plotless. It's strangely plotless for an
Speaker 3: action film.
Speaker 1: Well, apparently they went in with quite a skeletal script.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that they kind of were
Speaker 2: working out as they were going going along. They famously
Speaker 2: had to come back. They did the test audiences, and
Speaker 2: they wanted more sex and more more.
Speaker 1: I've seen the pecks.
Speaker 2: They came back and they re shot the sex scene,
Speaker 2: the silhouetted sex scene, and the reason and the and
Speaker 2: the scene in the elevator.
Speaker 3: Which where her here is a different color even though
Speaker 3: I was sort of under a baseball cat.
Speaker 2: That's because she was shooting a different movie and Tom
Speaker 2: Cruise's hair. He was shooting Color of Money, so his
Speaker 2: hair is longer in that scene, and then it's in
Speaker 2: silhouette because they were hiding those those things.
Speaker 3: Right, But you asked, what do I know of this
Speaker 3: film before I saw it? I have. I've just remembered
Speaker 3: I actually knew this film largely through that famous scene
Speaker 3: with Quentin Tarantino. Do you know this scene? It'll be
Speaker 3: on YouTube's in Sleep with Her, Yes, Sleep with Me,
Speaker 3: Sleep with Me with Eric Stoltz. No one remembers that. No,
Speaker 3: they just remember this scene that goes through about three
Speaker 3: minutes where a pretty kind of is it illegal for
Speaker 3: me to say? Coked up seeming Quentin Tarantino is at
Speaker 3: a party and he's too he's actually talking to the
Speaker 3: bloke who directed that film in the bedroom. There's a
Speaker 3: trivia nerd moment and he's just giving his theory of
Speaker 3: the film top Gun, which he claims is a homo
Speaker 3: erotic text. And I have to say, the film pretty
Speaker 3: much backs him up. I will say, all the volleyballs
Speaker 3: and how many scenes is Tom Cruise in his underpants?
Speaker 2: Well, the scene, the scene that really got me was
Speaker 2: when when Viper's telling Maverick that you know, like Goose's
Speaker 2: dad and consoling him.
Speaker 1: He's in his undies exactly. I think I've got that
Speaker 1: scene ready to go. Let's have let's listen to this.
Speaker 3: H I don't.
Speaker 4: All right, ghosts is dead, fly jets long enough something
Speaker 4: like this happens. Here's my real, my responsibility. My squad
Speaker 4: in Vietnam, we lost eight of eighteen aircraft.
Speaker 5: Ten men.
Speaker 4: First want to dies. You die too, but there will
Speaker 4: be others.
Speaker 1: You can count at it. You gotta let him go.
Speaker 4: You gotta let him go.
Speaker 1: Just to remind of Tom Craizers And he's underway for that,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 3: And he's there's very little chemistry between him and Viper
Speaker 3: and know and Kelly bgill my girlfriend was watching a
Speaker 3: bit of it. Mean, she just at one point said,
Speaker 3: it's like she's his mum. Yeah, he's so baby faced
Speaker 3: and young.
Speaker 1: Well interesting.
Speaker 2: On set, Kelly McGillis ended up hooking up with the
Speaker 2: pilot who played or the actor who played Wolfman R
Speaker 2: Tom Chugg or something his name is, and but were
Speaker 2: worried that because she was falling for this other guy,
Speaker 2: that the chemistry between him and her and Tom Cruise
Speaker 2: may suffer and maybe they're under something.
Speaker 3: Whether that scene in the lift Tom Cruise is so
Speaker 3: clearly standing on a box because she's quite tall.
Speaker 2: Well, she apparently did a lot of her scenes barefoot.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just and Goose as soon as Goose
Speaker 2: was a menu. I was great to Steve Bisley from
Speaker 2: Mad Max on board. But what are those names they have?
Speaker 2: He's Maverick? Was he named Maverick before or after? Was
Speaker 2: that just a coincidence that he.
Speaker 3: Is actually a Maverick?
Speaker 1: And what did I say about Goose?
Speaker 3: It's no very complimentary nickname. And then and and we're
Speaker 3: going all over the place, I know. But the thing
Speaker 3: about this film is I'm going, Okay, all of the
Speaker 3: scenes where people are talking are just rubbish. But I'll
Speaker 3: watch any film, an action film that's terrible. If there's
Speaker 3: just four good action movies in it action scenes, and
Speaker 3: this they're all flying scenes. I barely could understand what
Speaker 3: was going on during the flying scenes. The flying scenes
Speaker 3: are essentially just watching the actors sitting in chairs with
Speaker 3: masks over there. Mostly they're only their eyes are visible.
Speaker 3: I could not tell who was who most of the time. Oh,
Speaker 3: I've got their names on their bats thankfully, and then
Speaker 3: you're just cutting to I was never sure spatially where
Speaker 3: all the planes were in relation to each other.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of turning around, looking over shoulders and
Speaker 1: looking around.
Speaker 3: That did impress me. Is it all looked? There was
Speaker 3: no dodgy green screen work. No, it all it's very
Speaker 3: beautifully filmed. Yeah, there's not a single shot in the
Speaker 3: film that looks like a special effect.
Speaker 2: What Appendagon got involved and let approve the script, which
Speaker 2: is why Cougar was originally supposed to die, and they said, no,
Speaker 2: it's too anti military, so too interesting. It's too interesting.
Speaker 2: So Cougar that shit's the bed now and now he
Speaker 2: flies I think for Rex.
Speaker 3: But well that opening scene, okay, So the opening scene
Speaker 3: is they're just flying around and these MiGs are on them,
Speaker 3: and then they have lines like oh it's locked on,
Speaker 3: but no one gets shot, no one gets blown out
Speaker 3: of the sky. It's quite anticlimactic. It's an actionless action scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's because there's no enemy until that weird enemy
Speaker 2: at the end. It's like it's basically they're playing paintball exactly.
Speaker 3: All the scenes. There's no stakes in any of the scenes.
Speaker 3: They're all just training exercises really, and.
Speaker 2: It's not like like Raging Bull, like every bount tells
Speaker 2: a story like and he shoots it differently. And with
Speaker 2: this you don't get the feeling that thought has gone
Speaker 2: into the action sequences and.
Speaker 3: The story such that it is is this kind of
Speaker 3: it's like out of a screenwriting computer. The thing about oh,
Speaker 3: his dad, what did you know? His dad had a
Speaker 3: he was a disgrace, and then Tom Skiritt takes him
Speaker 3: beside Na he wasn't really, I mean.
Speaker 1: And Tom Cruise's reaction is like, ah, okay, Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3: That's That's the other thing. How much smiling does he do?
Speaker 3: I know he's famous for. There's so much smiling from
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise. There's one scene where he's telling Kelly McGinnis
Speaker 3: about sorry Kelly McGillis not Kelly McGinnis, telling her about
Speaker 3: how his parents died, and he's grinning like an idiot
Speaker 3: all the way through that scene as well.
Speaker 1: It is the birth of Tom Cruise. He'd done Risky Business.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I remember really liking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, risky business is great.
Speaker 2: I think this is the he said, this is the
Speaker 2: first character he just played, which was larger than life,
Speaker 2: and I think he's obviously taken that and really run
Speaker 2: with it for the rest of his career, because, yeah,
Speaker 2: when you think of Tom Cruise, you do kind of
Speaker 2: think of these kind of bigger characters that he plays,
Speaker 2: But this is this.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably still the most famous Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Jerey maguire, Mike Mike Amazaying is the best,
Speaker 2: but it's I think it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Is great.
Speaker 3: People have sort of gone off it because of the
Speaker 3: overuse of the catchphrases from it, but it's a pretty
Speaker 3: good film.
Speaker 1: Jere McGuire.
Speaker 2: I think is a perfect date movie because you get
Speaker 2: you get all the sports staff, and you've got the
Speaker 2: romance and it's funny.
Speaker 3: It's funny too. And also is that the first one?
Speaker 3: I guess because Tom Cruise as soon as we put
Speaker 3: this on, a girlfriend goes, gee, do you think he's
Speaker 3: going to be cocky and arrogant throughout the film? And
Speaker 3: then that was sort of used for a long time
Speaker 3: as the Tom Cruise character, and then he's got interesting
Speaker 3: when he started to play failures and flawed characters like Magnolia. Well,
Speaker 3: Magnolia is a fascinating use of Yeah, his strange persona
Speaker 3: well it's.
Speaker 1: Taking that cockiness and arrogance and making it interesting.
Speaker 3: And also it's one of the few times, well he
Speaker 3: plays a really horrible person, Yeah, in a really interesting way.
Speaker 3: I think it was he Oscar nominated for the last thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and now he's sort of I don't know, he seems
Speaker 3: in very good shape for someone who's in his fifties. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I do enjoy those mission impossible films, but he's
Speaker 3: he's kind of more interesting as he's older, isn't he Like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's very uninteresting in this film I found.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and it is the birth of Tom Cruise,
Speaker 1: you know he is.
Speaker 2: He arrives and you're right, he just smiles his way
Speaker 2: and you can imagine how excited they were, and they
Speaker 2: had to convince him. He said no a few times,
Speaker 2: and then they kind of took him up into it,
Speaker 2: you know, a megane flear around. He came down and said, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm doing the film, which is a great reason to
Speaker 2: do it because of a joy ride. But I reckon,
Speaker 2: just to go back.
Speaker 1: I reckon.
Speaker 2: One of the one of the things that maybe you
Speaker 2: didn't like, either on a conscious or subconscious level, is
Speaker 2: this is this is an ad this, this, this whole
Speaker 2: This is an AD for the military, and the enrollments
Speaker 2: into the navy skyrocketed after they was setting they were
Speaker 2: setting up recruiting booths outside cinemas and it was it
Speaker 2: was crazy and Tony Scott directed this.
Speaker 1: Yes, who was an AD man exactly.
Speaker 2: And you know, if you think of that first sequence
Speaker 2: with the you know, the the the sun, the planes,
Speaker 2: the megs or back lip by the sun.
Speaker 1: Ye, and it's an AD, it's danger zonly's playing and.
Speaker 3: The sex scene is like a sort of Chanel number
Speaker 3: five commercial. Is the Scott brothers. Yeah, they were from
Speaker 3: There was that generation of directors in England like Alan
Speaker 3: Parker who all came out of making ads in the seventies.
Speaker 3: Adrian Line, Yeah, Ridley Scott, Tony Scott, and Tony Scott
Speaker 3: I think had done The Hunger, which is all shot
Speaker 3: like an AD.
Speaker 2: Which was a massive, massive failure. He said he couldn't
Speaker 2: get worked for four years and this was the first one.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting consider he couldn't get work. What was
Speaker 2: it that Jerry Bruckheimer and Don Simpson saw in him?
Speaker 2: And it must have been that he knows how to
Speaker 2: shoot it and we want somebody who can ad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I've forgotten Don Simpson. Now what was his
Speaker 3: He had a horrible indig.
Speaker 2: Don Simpson was apparently knee deeping coke and books. Halfway
Speaker 2: through filming, he enrolls himself in rehab, but then takes
Speaker 2: himself out of rehab, as someone who's knee deeping coken
Speaker 2: hookers sometimes tend to do. And then he goes back
Speaker 2: to set, stacks his car in the car park, and
Speaker 2: then storms into a production meeting, says, starts screaming, we're
Speaker 2: not shooting that scene, and this immediately starts jumps on
Speaker 2: a typewriter a computer, and starts rewriting the scene.
Speaker 3: Oh right, so he's so he's one of the screenwriters.
Speaker 3: Who is the screen right? I know someone's just called cat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gus Cash or something.
Speaker 2: Apparently Tom Cruise takes a bit of credit, apparently for
Speaker 2: getting involved in the scripting stage. I think it feels
Speaker 2: like a movie where a few people had a bit
Speaker 2: of a crack out of but Don Don passed away
Speaker 2: with an overdose.
Speaker 3: I think ten years after, Oh goodness, I saw his
Speaker 3: name and the other name that really took me back
Speaker 3: to the eighties. In the opening credits was music by
Speaker 3: Harold Foaltermeyer, who of course did the music for another
Speaker 3: Brookheimer Beverly Hills cop Yes, the Axel f you know,
Speaker 3: oh well bit of music Fletch, the music for Fletch
Speaker 3: and Flash Dance as well, because that was another that
Speaker 3: was a Simpson brook because one of the interest things
Speaker 3: about the soundtrack, because this was they kind of I
Speaker 3: think created this kind of idea of having these you know,
Speaker 3: soundtracks as opposed to score and like really investing in
Speaker 3: the idea.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Rocky had you know, probably there
Speaker 1: Eida Tiger, but.
Speaker 2: They would they would get They got will in basically
Speaker 2: to audition and to submit songs for they said I've
Speaker 2: written specifically, I mean you got Sitting on the Dock
Speaker 2: of the Bay and Great Balls of Fire obviously, you know.
Speaker 2: But they got people in to basically pitch songs, and
Speaker 2: they had somebody else wrote danger Zone and they pitched
Speaker 2: at first to Toto and they knocked it back, and
Speaker 2: then Speedwagon knocked.
Speaker 3: It back, Sick Journey. How far down the list did
Speaker 3: they go?
Speaker 1: Rat Cat.
Speaker 2: And then and then at landed with Kenny Loggins who
Speaker 2: had written the film the song for the Beach volleyball.
Speaker 1: Scene playing with the boys.
Speaker 2: I think it's called and he just thought, everyone's going
Speaker 2: to try to write the song for the opening. I'm
Speaker 2: going to concentrate on this little beach ball beach volleyball
Speaker 2: scene that nobody's going to worry about.
Speaker 1: And yeah, score score it.
Speaker 3: There halfway, I mean it starts, sorry, halfway, what is it?
Speaker 3: Highway to the and and then we immediately go into
Speaker 3: a scene with very little danger whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Let's play paintball.
Speaker 3: I know I keep quoting my girlfriend, but here's something else.
Speaker 3: She said, Well, we're watching this film. She goes, this
Speaker 3: is the sort of film that Mac from Sonny would
Speaker 3: really like, you know, from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: This is such a Mac film.
Speaker 2: It was a huge film, which I should point out
Speaker 2: it was the highest grossing film of ninet eighty six.
Speaker 2: Second only, sorry, first second was Crocodile Dundee. Really yeah wow,
Speaker 2: which reminder how big Crocodile Dundee was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here's something people forget about Crocodile Dundee. It
Speaker 3: was nominated for an Oscar for screenplay. Yes, and it
Speaker 3: was written by Paul Hogan and someone I'm fascinated by
Speaker 3: a man called Ken Shady. Isn't that such a great name?
Speaker 1: Is fantastic?
Speaker 3: He was a writer who I think wrote on Paul
Speaker 3: Hogan's TV shows. Got an Oscar nomination for Crocodile Dundee.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's ever been heard of since.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I love that. I'm fascinating. Where is Ken Shady? There's
Speaker 3: a podcast that there's a serial style series. Okay, so
Speaker 3: I wrote down, So you're talking eighty six? So what
Speaker 3: was the number one? So Crocodile that and Platoon was
Speaker 3: through Platoon I wrote down. These were the films I
Speaker 3: liked in that year. There was This is How out
Speaker 3: of Touch I Am with the general public? Lost in
Speaker 3: America was one of my favorite films from that year
Speaker 3: with Albert Brooks.
Speaker 1: Albert Brooks, Ok, Yeah, Repo Man.
Speaker 3: I think that might have been from a couple of
Speaker 3: years before, but I saw that. Then Aliens came out
Speaker 3: that year.
Speaker 1: That was a beauty, which is the sequel, isn't it? Alien?
Speaker 3: And After Hours? Martin Scorsese's After Hours and the Australian
Speaker 3: film Malcolm Malcolm's Great with a Car that splits some
Speaker 3: hard which really needs Highway to the danger zone playing.
Speaker 1: Underneath that deserves it more than Top Gun dos.
Speaker 3: There is more action and excitement in Malcolm or suspense
Speaker 3: at least Top Gun. I'm sorry. I know those a
Speaker 3: lot of people who love Top Gun and probably furious
Speaker 3: at me right now. I apologize.
Speaker 2: I think there are films because I saw Top Gun
Speaker 2: in the cinema, I was like, Wow, this is pretty aweso.
Speaker 3: Somebody would work better in the cinema. I'm guessing those
Speaker 3: playing scenes, it.
Speaker 2: Would absolutely And also I'm eleven years old. I'm not
Speaker 2: kind of seeing all the issues with the movie. But
Speaker 2: I think even if you love Top Gun, you are
Speaker 2: you are used to people taking the piss Yes, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you're in safe territory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, there are.
Speaker 1: I'm trying.
Speaker 3: I can't think of there's films I love that people
Speaker 3: just take the piss out of constantly you and you
Speaker 3: have to defend your own films. I live with someone
Speaker 3: who who has said she will never see a Star
Speaker 3: Wars film, so that's constantly and it's very hard to
Speaker 3: get through a day without a Star Wars reference.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the thing.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 2: I think what surprised me most that you hadn't seen
Speaker 2: Top Gun because it feels like such a pop cultural
Speaker 2: kind of you know my because you know, yeah, and
Speaker 2: like sales and ray Bands kind of went through to
Speaker 2: roof arth.
Speaker 1: This you know is going to like impact. It's been
Speaker 1: parodied so many times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it when you know a film better from
Speaker 3: the parody from Hot Shots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you know the line you know, I could
Speaker 2: tell you, but I would have to kill you came
Speaker 2: from top of it.
Speaker 3: From there. It's interesting because that is a line you
Speaker 3: hear in everything now. Yeah, and there's another one too,
Speaker 3: something about that. I've heard a few people say about you.
Speaker 3: Something you're writing.
Speaker 1: A your egos, writing checks, your body can't can't. That's right.
Speaker 3: And he's the guy, and I love that guy, James Tolkien,
Speaker 3: who I always remember is playing Napoleon in Woody Allen's
Speaker 3: Love and Death. But he gets the classic the sort
Speaker 3: of boss of the cops, you know, bawling them out,
Speaker 3: going exactly it's that role. But then they go to
Speaker 3: another base and someone else has that role. Three different
Speaker 3: characters throughout the film get to play.
Speaker 2: The I'm taking you off this case Maverick character, and
Speaker 2: then the guy with the coffee who's this mad running
Speaker 2: through scenes right.
Speaker 1: The other lines were take me to bed and lose
Speaker 1: me forever.
Speaker 2: Kind of became a bit of a thing and I
Speaker 2: feel the need, the need for speed, which when when
Speaker 2: he watching it back last night, I was really disappointed
Speaker 2: at the high five.
Speaker 1: I remember being really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but watching it like it's really like Tom
Speaker 2: Cruise is really like they know these high fives coming,
Speaker 2: really concentrating on landing that high five.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow, great movie high five. There's a category. The other
Speaker 3: song you mentioned, the songs that you've lost that loving feeling?
Speaker 3: Is that a Where is that from? Is that? That's
Speaker 3: obviously an old song even when this, yeah.
Speaker 2: I when that came out, I feel like even as
Speaker 2: an eleven year old, I knew that song. But that
Speaker 2: became a famous, very famous scene in the movie. It
Speaker 2: was one of Meg Ryan's first She.
Speaker 3: Has very little to do, and Tim robbins as well.
Speaker 3: Is it a small role? And I was a mu
Speaker 3: is by seeing him, a famous lefty actor having to
Speaker 3: sort of take part in all the high five patriotism
Speaker 3: at the final scene.
Speaker 2: I wonder if if he was back then, Yeah, he done.
Speaker 2: He'd done a movie Anthony Edwards. The movie called the
Speaker 2: sure Thing.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good. That's a that's a good one. Rob
Speaker 3: Ryan has follow up to spital Town. That's right, yes,
Speaker 3: John Cusack, Yeah, that's that's a really good film.
Speaker 1: That one.
Speaker 3: I knew him probably from Bull Durham as the first
Speaker 3: time I noticed him, although he was the lead in
Speaker 3: Howard the Duck or Howard Dot Dot, a new breed
Speaker 3: of hero for Australians.
Speaker 1: Did you notice there's a lot of perspiration, Yes, like
Speaker 1: almost distractingly.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's part of the advertising lighting of the
Speaker 3: whole thing, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Bell Kilma just took it back to the valcom. He
Speaker 2: was contractually a blind, so he didn't want to be
Speaker 2: in this film. He didn't want to be in it,
Speaker 2: so it was he had he he done top Secret.
Speaker 1: It's weird that he.
Speaker 2: Had that attitude because he'd done top Secret one or
Speaker 2: two other movies that I hadn't Real Genius.
Speaker 1: I think he done, Yes, he's done.
Speaker 2: Really, I think maybe he was this top secret and
Speaker 2: real Genius and TV appearances and then he's saying, I
Speaker 2: don't want to be in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, big action movie, which is kind of would this
Speaker 3: be the film he's most not I think so.
Speaker 2: I think his most iconic role, he's probably had better performances,
Speaker 2: although I think ice Man he's actually I think he's
Speaker 2: really good in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he's sort of when you first see him,
Speaker 3: he's menacingly flipping a ball point about sort of casting
Speaker 3: shade on Tom Cruise. Yeah, and you think they're going
Speaker 3: to be, you know, clearly the antagonists, but he sort
Speaker 3: of they sort of come together quite quickly and then
Speaker 3: it's a full blown romance by the by the end credits,
Speaker 3: when at the very end of the film, the very
Speaker 3: final scene where Tom Cruise is in that bar and
Speaker 3: he puts on the song of the jukebox and then
Speaker 3: out of focus in the background you see a female
Speaker 3: figure which turns out to be Kelly Bigillier's I so
Speaker 3: wanted that to be val Killer and Drag just the
Speaker 3: iceman coming in singing you've lost that loving feeling there was.
Speaker 2: Obviously they knew to get the female audience, and because
Speaker 2: a lot of it's you know, in jet planes, you know,
Speaker 2: with their faces you know, and often in their eyes covered,
Speaker 2: they needed to see some flesh on earth. So that's
Speaker 2: the only reason why the beach volleyball scene is there
Speaker 2: and why they hang out in towels and their underwear
Speaker 2: around base I mean, have you ever hung out with
Speaker 2: that many men in towels?
Speaker 3: You know, I've never. I've been being very thin and
Speaker 3: oft bullied young man, I was. I spent my entire
Speaker 3: life avoiding situations like that, like batman. Like even at
Speaker 3: school when we had to get into swimming togs, I
Speaker 3: would somehow manage to get in. I'd probably warn them
Speaker 3: under my school uniform.
Speaker 2: I was the same with you know, the opposite reason
Speaker 2: of being a man of girth, right, okay, And I
Speaker 2: remember actually felling playing a charity game as Strawny over
Speaker 2: in the South.
Speaker 1: Of Straight with rather footballers.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: And afterwards everyone's in the shower and like I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm just sat in the corner, like you know, no
Speaker 2: one's in the feet position show And the confidence of
Speaker 2: those footballs is the walk around naked, that's right, there's extraordinary.
Speaker 3: I never had any of that. And because I'm growing
Speaker 3: up in New Zealand two where the enormous Polynesian gentleman
Speaker 3: and gentlemen, I'm talking about a nine year old who's
Speaker 3: already at six foot. It was very intimidating for a
Speaker 3: young man.
Speaker 1: Did you expect Goose to die? Did that come as
Speaker 1: a surprise at all?
Speaker 3: I sort of was. I was feeling that coming, but
Speaker 3: it was I didn't feel like the relationship was developed
Speaker 3: to the point where I was moved when it happened.
Speaker 3: I felt all of the melodramatic plot developments, that the
Speaker 3: thing about his dad felt very tact on. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: very I mean, I'd love to speak to someone who
Speaker 3: loves this film. I'm assuming this is sacrilege what I'm
Speaker 3: saying now.
Speaker 2: No, I mean I remember as an eleven year old
Speaker 2: feeling the Goose moment. Okay, watching a back, I can
Speaker 2: understand exactly what you're what you're saying. It did occur
Speaker 2: to me that Tom Cruise knows that Goose is dead
Speaker 2: as soon as he gets in the water, like you know,
Speaker 2: for some reason her out.
Speaker 3: When you look at the way that's edited, he gets
Speaker 3: over to him very quickly. Oh yeah, they landed the
Speaker 3: water miles apart, and then there's a cut and he's
Speaker 3: almost there.
Speaker 2: Well, in that scene when we played early when Viper
Speaker 2: kind of comes in and like the idea that you
Speaker 2: have to get over this, it's like, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 2: just happened.
Speaker 3: He's right. And also when it happens, like, explain to
Speaker 3: me what happens? So they release the canopy. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then he hits his ejectacy too quickly, so he goes
Speaker 3: up and hits the canopy. What's happening?
Speaker 2: I mean, Meg Ryan should be suing. I think that's
Speaker 2: what Top Gun two, which is coming out soon, is
Speaker 2: that true, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: It was supposed to come out in June this year,
Speaker 2: but Corona has sent it back to July twenty one.
Speaker 2: It may be one of the gifts coronavirus has given us.
Speaker 3: Okay, but what is Top Gun?
Speaker 2: To what I've seen the trailer, it's maverickknn of coming
Speaker 2: back to Top Gun.
Speaker 3: Is he a training because he was training he is, Yeah,
Speaker 3: So it's.
Speaker 1: Unclear to me. I think he stopped training for a while.
Speaker 1: I'm sure something happened.
Speaker 3: Is he going to mentor like the how the older
Speaker 3: Indiana Jones had it? It's not going to be one
Speaker 3: of those, is it.
Speaker 1: I can only assume it will be.
Speaker 3: Timothy Challo may will be the new young Maverick. I
Speaker 3: was just like you spills his coffee.
Speaker 1: I was always going to say, actually, Timothy shall mate
Speaker 1: is in it?
Speaker 3: Oh is he really?
Speaker 2: No, he's not, because I watched the Top Gun trailer
Speaker 2: to trailer last night, and then I watched the French
Speaker 2: Dispatch trailer after which is Where's Anderson movie?
Speaker 1: Timothy shallow mate, I.
Speaker 3: Would love to see Wes Anderson doing the sequel to
Speaker 3: Top Gun, shot entirely in front on wide shots with
Speaker 3: harpsichord music, play Bill Murray. That would be great, I know.
Speaker 3: That's and then the planes, even the planes exploding, looked good.
Speaker 3: I thought, I'm going these are models, clearly, these are models. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but they must be huge models.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they're there. It's that is one of that.
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, it's one of the impressive things they did.
Speaker 2: They were allowed to use one missile yea, so they
Speaker 2: were given one missile to actually shoot and film, and
Speaker 2: so they they got it from different angles and either
Speaker 2: looped it or reversed it and and flipped it.
Speaker 3: And because even that look there was no like, it
Speaker 3: has not dated at all in how it looks. No
Speaker 3: whereas remember Twister, how amazing that it was. I remember
Speaker 3: going a second time because it was so amazing watched
Speaker 3: it for a while. I saw it about a year
Speaker 3: and a half after it came out and just WoT, oh, no,
Speaker 3: already looks terrible. The other my lifetime has been full
Speaker 3: of films that looked amazing when they came out, and
Speaker 3: then you go, is this like Tron? I remember seeing
Speaker 3: Tron and wherever it was ninety eighty two and this
Speaker 3: is amazing, and then seeing it in the nineties and
Speaker 3: going is this is this actually the film or is
Speaker 3: this like a pilot for the film? Is this like
Speaker 3: an animatic of the effect?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: Star Wars is you know, almost the best example of
Speaker 2: like you know, you're almost I mean, we did an
Speaker 2: episode with Wyalid who hadn't seen Star Wars and you
Speaker 2: really have to put yourself to really completely understand it,
Speaker 2: and he enjoyed it, but to really understand and get
Speaker 2: why this that's a phenomenon. You've really got to put
Speaker 2: yourself into the nineteen seventy seven and do you imagine
Speaker 2: seeing this for the first time?
Speaker 3: That's right and one of the great The only thing
Speaker 3: I think that impressed me about those prequels that came
Speaker 3: out is that obviously they've they've had a meeting and gone.
Speaker 3: This is to be very strange in the future when
Speaker 3: people watch them in order, when they watched one, two, three,
Speaker 3: and then they go to four and they go, hang,
Speaker 3: why does it suddenly look like Doctor Who from the
Speaker 3: nineteen to sixties.
Speaker 1: It's like going from VHS to That's.
Speaker 3: Right, but they've obviously anticipated that, and if you look
Speaker 3: at the last ten minutes of the third prequel, they
Speaker 3: take it back to try and smooth over the joint.
Speaker 3: They take it back to the look of that of
Speaker 3: the fourth or the first one, part four because the
Speaker 3: first scene, remember the first scene in Star Wars is
Speaker 3: in the corridor on a spaceship and it's quite cheap,
Speaker 3: like Star Wars was only made for I think nine
Speaker 3: and a half million dollars, which was quite cheap even then.
Speaker 3: And the walls of that corridor don't quite touch the floor,
Speaker 3: and they've recreated that in the final scene of the
Speaker 3: third prequel. O im't be remembering this wrong, but I've
Speaker 3: been quite impressed by that.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go and look at that again.
Speaker 2: Were you surprised from a story point of from Top
Speaker 2: Gun that they sent Maverick back up to say, there's
Speaker 2: this this dangers looming or or not even looming. It's
Speaker 2: on the on the doorstep unspecified enemy. Maverick hasn't got
Speaker 2: his confidence, has got his mojo back yet no people
Speaker 2: are losing faith in him, So why not put him
Speaker 2: up in the sky as Iceman's wingman.
Speaker 1: I think ice Man had a good point, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Is he the right part to send up?
Speaker 3: I know, because the problem I had with a lot
Speaker 3: of this, and you always feel bad siding with the
Speaker 3: bad guy in a film. But whenever the iceman started
Speaker 3: doing his rant about how undisciplined and not a team player,
Speaker 3: I was just on his side. I was Man's completely
Speaker 3: making sense. Tom Cruise is a dangerous person to be
Speaker 3: out there. And then at the end, don't they mirror
Speaker 3: that line where he goes, yeah you are dangerous.
Speaker 1: You can be my wing man anytime? Bullshit, Yeah you
Speaker 1: can be mine.
Speaker 3: But I'm assuming because as you've mentioned that the Navy
Speaker 3: in allder to let them film all this. They had
Speaker 3: to approve the script. So part of me is going,
Speaker 3: this seems very unlikely. But then I'm going, but this
Speaker 3: has been approved by the news. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: assuming it's possible, but it didn't seem believable.
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all. Do anything else.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to. I'm searching through my notes to
Speaker 3: see if I've got anything positive written down. I love
Speaker 3: how when this was a great line that's aged well.
Speaker 3: When the very near the start of the film, when
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise and Goose walk into a bar full of
Speaker 3: hot women, and Tom Cruise says, and I've written it down,
Speaker 3: this is what I call it target rich environment.
Speaker 4: This is what I call it, target rich environment. You
Speaker 4: live your life between your legs, ma'am Goose, even you
Speaker 4: can get lead into place like this, Dhania, I'd be
Speaker 4: happy to find a girl who talk dirty killing. You
Speaker 4: want to know who the best is, that's him icemet' sole.
Speaker 4: He flies ice, call no mistakes, just wears you down.
Speaker 4: To get pored, frustrated, do something stupid. He's got you.
Speaker 3: That's aged very well. I've just written down. I've written
Speaker 3: down several times zero chemistry. Yeah, no, I think I
Speaker 3: think we've covered everything.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know you have mentioned you were impressed
Speaker 2: by at least the shooting of the action sequences.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's one of those films that hasn't
Speaker 3: dated in its look and there's not many films in
Speaker 3: that kind of special effects action era that.
Speaker 2: And because they're often wearing just the uniform. Even from
Speaker 2: a fashion point.
Speaker 3: None of that, there's no It's funny when that happens
Speaker 3: because one of my very favorite films from the eighties
Speaker 3: is David Lynch's Blue Velvet, and he's so particular about
Speaker 3: the look of everything that it's kind of timeless. You're
Speaker 3: not even sure when it's happening. But there is a
Speaker 3: scene even in that film, there's a scene towards the
Speaker 3: end where they go to an eighties party and it
Speaker 3: almost becomes you know, weird science for a few minutes.
Speaker 2: It was like Crocodile Dundee almost has a Yeah. The
Speaker 2: first half when they're in Australia has a lot of
Speaker 2: timeless feel because there's all half back, so you except that.
Speaker 2: But when he goes to New York and he goes
Speaker 2: you know that the parties where they're playing mentals and anything,
Speaker 2: you know, live it up and you know you got
Speaker 2: the shoulder pads and that's where you know it starts feeling.
Speaker 3: I've forgotten that. And then the second one, this is
Speaker 3: like Tough Streak Gangs, isn't there. Yeah, yeah, the second one.
Speaker 3: And here's a question for you. We were talking about
Speaker 3: this on radio recently. Who is the most eighties person,
Speaker 3: the most eighties looking person in an eighties movie? Ah,
Speaker 3: I know it's a tough one to just spring on you.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, we're My mind went straight away
Speaker 2: was Anthony McCarthy, Anthony manequin.
Speaker 3: And oh yes, Andrew mccas Andrew McCarthy from Pretty and
Speaker 3: Pink almost some reason.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's my absolute answer, but that's
Speaker 1: where my mind went to. First.
Speaker 3: Here's the one I thought of, Robert Downey Junior in
Speaker 3: Back to School with Rodney Dangerfield.
Speaker 2: Take a hate you elitist fraternity scumbag.
Speaker 3: Now you might not be getting a picture of that
Speaker 3: right now, but if you google that, if you google,
Speaker 3: it's the most eighties outfit here, sort of mascara everything.
Speaker 3: That's that's my favorite eighties looking character.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 2: Hey, before we let you go, we direct again. Bad
Speaker 2: Eggs was a wonderful movie. Go check it out if
Speaker 2: you haven't already. There was such a great, great thing.
Speaker 2: I remember thinking for many years later afterwards, like when's
Speaker 2: only going to make another one?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: And yeah, I've written a few. I've written for the
Speaker 3: last three or four years, I've been trying to get
Speaker 3: and this is in saying, don't do this everyone. I've
Speaker 3: been trying to get a stop motion animation film made,
Speaker 3: but very few people are aside from the people who
Speaker 3: do Wallace and Grommet, and where's very few people set
Speaker 3: up for stop motion. Trying to get one made is
Speaker 3: as slow and painstaking as making a stop motion film.
Speaker 3: I'm hopefully directing a web series, so that's that's the
Speaker 3: how I've lowered my site. But I've got some friend
Speaker 3: of mine's written some great scripts that we're hoping to
Speaker 3: make a web series early in twenty twenty one, assuming
Speaker 3: that we'll be able to what was current goings on?
Speaker 1: What was your experience with bad Aggs? What do you
Speaker 1: what did you learn?
Speaker 2: Because I remember, like I even asking you, like in
Speaker 2: probably like five years out the Bad Eggs, are you
Speaker 2: going to do another one? And and I made we
Speaker 2: made I Love You Too. I didn't direct I Love
Speaker 2: You Too, but we made it that in twenty ten. Yes,
Speaker 2: And I remember I asked, was you know? And even
Speaker 2: the years since then, I've kind of gone They're really
Speaker 2: hard to make.
Speaker 3: It's such a massive undertaking. I mean that was even
Speaker 3: though it came together quite quickly. It's probably two or
Speaker 3: three years work for something goes ninety eight minutes. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And it's such a huge amount of work. And it
Speaker 3: wasn't a huge hit when it came out. It did
Speaker 3: all right, but it had come out after Crackerjack, which
Speaker 3: was a massive success, so it was seen as not
Speaker 3: being right, you know. It was seen as a disappointment.
Speaker 3: But it's funny. It just kept selling overseas and money
Speaker 3: just kept coming in to the point where eventually broke
Speaker 3: even and then it started to go into profit. I
Speaker 3: couldn't believe it, and it was I going, what's happening.
Speaker 3: It's not out, it's not even on. You can't even
Speaker 3: get DVDs, and they go, oh, Portugal have gone man
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's really funny. I Love You, I Love You Too.
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of weird because you kind of put
Speaker 2: this film out and then the goods goes that you
Speaker 2: almost hand it over, yes, and the distribit is kind
Speaker 2: to take it over, and it has this weird life
Speaker 2: like I Love You Too. It was like number two
Speaker 2: for quite a while in Russia. Wow, you know, and
Speaker 2: then it did quite well at the Israeli Film Festival.
Speaker 3: You've got in that film, You've got Peter Dinklin. Is
Speaker 3: there anyone else?
Speaker 1: Instowski?
Speaker 3: There you go? So we didn't. The biggest name we
Speaker 3: had internationally speaking was Bill Hunter, and even Bill Hunter
Speaker 3: wasn't a house So it's always amazing to me. Where
Speaker 3: it's like, we heard Bad Eggs was doing really well
Speaker 3: in Germany, making me the comedy version of David Hasselhoff.
Speaker 3: In Germany, it's called mits volum ainsartz, which apparently means
Speaker 3: with extreme force or something to that effect.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you did. You mentioned this earlier when
Speaker 2: we were talking about retitling.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, because I just go, what does Bob Franklin's
Speaker 3: voice sound like in German? Although it's funny. Have you
Speaker 3: seen your film dubbed into another? That's always a very
Speaker 3: odd experience.
Speaker 1: Don't think I have.
Speaker 2: Actually, I've seen posters for it in foreign languages, which
Speaker 2: is which unfortunately I wasn't able to get my hands
Speaker 2: on any of them. That's the one post. If I'm
Speaker 2: a post it would have been the one in Russian.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about the jokes that you're going, what are
Speaker 2: they well, and Germans particular one too, because they Eddie
Speaker 2: Isar talks about it. The way they the syntax and
Speaker 2: the way they sent they structure their sentences is kind
Speaker 2: of almost the opposite the way we do it. So
Speaker 2: comedy has got to German. Germans have a wed a
Speaker 2: weird relationship with English comedy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a very and in my film it's
Speaker 3: a very dry sort of those Bob Franklin lines. I
Speaker 3: can't imagine what I really I would love to hear,
Speaker 3: and as well exactly, Oh yeah, I must get the
Speaker 3: German version at some point.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, you can be my wingman anytime.
Speaker 3: I'll each of them. I'll get the jukebox fired up.
Speaker 3: We can do a little dance number.
Speaker 1: That was so much fun.
Speaker 2: Tony Martin was one of the first people I dreamed
Speaker 2: about getting when I thought of this podcast, and I
Speaker 2: even had emails from people saying, please get Tony Martin,
Speaker 2: and people were fascinated with what movie he made choose.
Speaker 2: I know somebody had emailed me saying, I'm sure he's
Speaker 2: seen everything. He'd probably be impossible for him to nominate
Speaker 2: a movie. Well, it wasn't Top Gun there it is.
Speaker 2: Tony was a bit nervous. He told me afterwards about
Speaker 2: coming in and knowing he didn't particularly enjoy the film.
Speaker 1: But you know, that's what this is.
Speaker 2: It's yes, it's you know, I hope this is a
Speaker 2: celebration of film, but not everyone who's gonna love every film.
Speaker 1: They watch him.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I had a bit of a hunch
Speaker 2: that Tony Martin may not love Top Gun the way
Speaker 2: many people have before him.
Speaker 1: So fantastic.
Speaker 2: Tony is an absolute genius and sizzletown check that out
Speaker 2: his podcast. It is one hell of a ride and
Speaker 2: in Bad Eggs. Go check out and find Bad Eggs
Speaker 2: to watch from two thousand and three, starring mc malloy,
Speaker 2: Bob Franklin, and Judith Lucy, directed and written by Tone
Speaker 2: So thanks again, Tony. Thanks to Derek Mas my podcast
Speaker 2: manager at Casaway Studios. If you want to send me
Speaker 2: an email, yasny podcast at gmail dot com. Thank you
Speaker 2: for all the emails coming through. I have loved them,
Speaker 2: so I hope you did enjoy this Christmas episode. If
Speaker 2: you ain't seen nothing yet, next week on the show,
Speaker 2: we have a great comedian tearing it up. He has
Speaker 2: a Netflix special out now check it out. It is
Speaker 2: Rehys Nicholson. He is brilliant and loves his cinema. And
Speaker 2: he'll be checking out Rosemary's Baby, and I'll be watching
Speaker 2: also for the first time. I look forward to that,
Speaker 2: Rees Nicholson. And you ain't seen nothing yet with Rosemary's
Speaker 2: Baby until then.
Speaker 1: Bye.
Speaker 2: And so we leave all Pete save man sal and
Speaker 2: to our friends of the radio audience, we've been a
Speaker 2: pleasant good name.