WEBVTT - Sam Taunton and Kramer Vs Kramer 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:01.080 Good. It's Peter. 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:02.960 Hell ay you here, Welcome to You ain't seen nothing 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:05.040 yet in the Movie Podcast, where our chat to a 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:08.240 movie lover about a classic or be loved movie they 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:12.120 haven't quite got around to watching until now. In today's 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:19.200 guest comedian Sam Towton, the. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.840 First rule of Fike Club is you do not talk 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:22.680 about Fike Club. 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.080 No, it was you afraid of you broke my heart. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:48.400 I admire your luck, mister Bond, James Bond. 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:48.519 Haven An right now. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:50.279 You don't see nothing here. 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.560 Sam Taughton has been slaying them on the Aussie comedy 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.800 scene for half a decade now, building his audience through 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.759 appearances on the Project Just for Last and Comedy Next Gen. 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.679 He also hosted the show about Jordie Shaw, which I 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:17.360 was asked not to mention. Sam. 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.399 He's a bloody good golfer too, who seriously considered the 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.880 option of heading to US colleges with a view of 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.679 turning pro but made the financially wobbly. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.600 Choice to tackle comedy instead. His accountant needed have worried. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.039 The Herald Sun said, he's on the express elevator to 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:33.320 stardom and it's. 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.520 Hard to argue not that I would want to argue. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.679 Sam is brilliant to watch and fun to hang out with, 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:40.760 so much so that I asked him to support my 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:44.200 life shows in Sydney in twenty twenty. Sam's later show, 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.800 Yo Yo Diablou has been killing it at the Melbourne 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.240 International Comedy Festival and may just be passing through your city. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.240 Now check it out. You can thank me later. Sam's 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.200 hits the Front. Hide's a genuinely lovely bloke from Naara. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.840 His comedy is urban, sharp seri and always relatable, and 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:12.680 I'm bloody stoked to be hanging with him today. 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.440 My name is Sam Taunton and my three favorite movies 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:25.640 are The Wedding Singer, The Big Chill Deep and this 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.160 is quite a hacked choice for a man that departed. 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.800 It's a matter of smart ash you any fucking Shakespeare, 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.160 But up until yesterday I had not seen the nineteen 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.600 seventy nine classic Kramer versus Kramer. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.040 Yes, I did remembered to bring the truck to as 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.080 cream home. And you're not going to have any of 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.000 it until you eat all your dinner and then meet 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:42.959 your meat and your corn. 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.080 Where are you going? You get factor? Right now? 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.000 Did you hear me? You better not do that. You 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:54.959 better stop right there, Falla. I'm warning you, hey, did. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:59.120 You hear me? Now you listen to me. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.560 Don't be smart. Now you go bight back and put 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:07.679 that back until you finish your dinner. I'm warning you 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:09.600 take one bite out of that. You're in big trouble. 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.760 Don't hey, don't you dare. Don't you dare do that? 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:15.520 Did you hear me? 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:17.000 Stop? Hold it right there? 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.560 You put that ice cream in your mouth, and you 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:23.119 are in very, very, very big trouble. Don't you dare 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.960 go anywhere beyond that? Put it down right now. I 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.560 Am not going to say it again. I Am not 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:30.120 going to say it again. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:35.040 I am wow. 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.640 Don't you kill me. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.160 You're not barking now. You are a spoiled, rotten little practice. 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.120 I'll tell you right now and hang you and I 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:44.840 hate you back. 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:45.320 Your little shit. 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.080 This divorce has never captured the imagination of the movie 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:53.440 going public quiet like nineteen seventy nine's Kramer Versus Kramer. No, 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.200 it's not a sign felt episode set in the multiverse. 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.880 It's a Robert Benton directed drama starring white Hot Does 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.960 Hoffman as Ted and the breakout performance by the acting 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.960 goat herself. Meryl Streep as Joanna, who leaves both Ted 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.119 and their young boy Billy to find herself and get 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.000 her head straight and because she has fallen out of 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:15.040 love with Ted. 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.880 Justin Henry by the way, Peo play Billy Garner's an. 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.680 Oscar nomination, which remains the youngest Oscar nominated actor to 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:22.520 this day. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:23.599 He was aged eight. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.200 Kramer Versus Cremer is never saccarin or mawkish, yet it's 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.600 never grimm. It's authentic, intimate, and it struck a chord. 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.720 Kramer Versus Cremer was incredibly the highest grossing movie of 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:39.320 nineteen seventy nine, winning five Oscars, nominated for ten. Kramer 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.400 Versus Cramer is well written, but it is the performances 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:46.000 by generational talents in Hoffman and Streep that elevate this 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:50.240 film into classic status. Sam Tordon, how many times did 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:51.920 you have to be told to put the ice cream back? 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.080 That actually wasn't a recording for the movie. That was 0:04:55.120 --> 0:05:00.640 me my girlfriend, he was, I mean even plenty of 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.880 opportunities exactly, he should have just done what he had 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.320 to do. But that is like the indicative of the 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.520 entire movie. Like there's so much dialogue where you're like, 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.120 I feel like the plot isn't advancing, It's just I'm 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.640 just seeing an insight into like you know, like a 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.880 household that's on the brink of like falling apart. 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.000 At any point, we'll get to like the fact that 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.840 it's the highest grossing film of nine and seventy nine, 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:22.920 Like I mentioned an intro. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:27.120 That is astonished, it's crazy that this is a talking film, 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.719 Like this is just talking people talking on couches, people 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.080 talking in parks, on benches, people talking in rooms. 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:33.240 You know. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:37.960 It is other films released that year, the first Star Trek. 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:43.040 Film, like Moonraker, James Bond, Apocalypse Man. 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:44.839 Like these are huge, These are big, big film. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:46.360 There's a big movie film. 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:51.320 Big big movie films, and this film about divorce hits 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.760 a chord and becomes the highest grossing film, you know, 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:55.760 of that year. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:57.960 I looked at it did something like one hundred and 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.400 seventy million off for thirty million dollar budget or something, 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.680 which is like insane like return. But also it's like 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.320 I doubt that could happen now, Like you know, like 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.680 now movies are like people go franchises or their reboots, 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.360 and that seems to be the way to get generation 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.320 or like to get interest, to get people into the cinema, 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.159 so to have this talking movie. Maybe it was already 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.360 hard to do it then, but now it seems inconceivable 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.600 that you could release a movie like this and then 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.760 everyone would flock to the cinema to see it. We 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:28.000 have one marriage story, I think, so when I was 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.520 watching this, I was like, oh, this is marriage story. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.719 Should be called out for just ripping off cram verse Grame. 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.120 I think Crame Versus Creamate like inspires this kind of 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.200 the wave of divorce movies. I think Ordinary People came 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.080 the year after, which would have been in production and 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.000 maybe even film, but by the time Crame Versus Crement 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:48.240 came out, but like, uh, shoot the Moon I think 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.000 comes out a few years later. There's a whole bunch 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:50.480 of them that came. 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.240 We've seen Blue Valentine in a similar vein it's kind 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.240 of more of the relationship breaking down, but in a 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.680 similar way that it just pulls on your heartstrings just 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.760 watching this thing that was once beautiful collapse, And maybe 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.120 people are drawn to that kind of I don't know, sadness, 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.479 or maybe it's more relatable than anything else you could 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:09.400 put on its screen. 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:09.880 It's so weird. 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.200 I was thinking that in nineteen seventy nine, for some reason, 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.400 divorce was in the zeitgeist, Like you don't think we 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:21.840 were trying to pick the zeitgeist to so funny and 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.480 probably I'd love to know what you know what divorce 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.240 rates kind of were happening around that, right, because that's 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.320 when people first it would have become popular, being like, 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:30.080 this is an option. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.360 We don't have to be together, we can separate. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.840 Women worked it out. They thought we can actually leave blokes. 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.160 Well, there is a line in COVID Craber where it's 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.640 like this women's live business. It's like off it so hard, 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.239 but it's probably like totally like men were getting left 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:45.640 and being like women are in powered now. They were 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:46.680 hating it obviously. 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.640 Yeah, so why did you choose? I know you came 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:51.560 back with two choices. 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.480 Yeah, I know, the two choices. I can't believe you 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:55.280 chose this one. 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.400 Well yeah, well what was the other one? 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:00.480 The other one was Basic? 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:02.440 Now I haven't. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:05.920 I haven't seen well, I've seen one scene in Basic 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.840 many times? Yeah, many times. Well, no, as a young man, 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.800 you do it just it's in your life. That one 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.960 scene in Basic instinct growing up. But no, I hadn't 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:15.520 seen it, and I thought for sure you were going 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.920 to go with that, and instead you went with. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:19.760 Well because Kramer versus Kramer. 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.560 I saw it when I was younger, like ten or eleven, 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.000 and it didn't and I was on TV. 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.400 Yeah, and it had no hook in for me. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.880 Well be hard as a kid to really it's just 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:31.400 people talking. 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.080 It's people talking. It's a drama. Put ads in that 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:34.560 as well. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:36.840 You know, i't where do you even put the ads 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.560 because there's no like big like crescendo at the end 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:40.080 of each scene. 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:41.600 That's true. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.520 So I don't think I ever finished watching it, So 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.840 I had like a vague memories of, you know, watching it, 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.160 and and so I was keen to going to revisit it, 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.520 and I was Goinda, glad I did, we will get 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.199 the basic instinct. Somebody else put forward basic instinct, And 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:57.160 I chose. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:58.840 Another film we might have do it like a live 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.439 and a few people based. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.160 Against because I always I feel I haven't seen Based 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:04.760 Against hik. But I was talking to my friend about 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:06.160 it and I'm like, oh, he gave me these two 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.800 options to watch, and he was like, oh, yeah, you 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.440 don't want to just have two dudes, straight men sitting 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.440 around talking about like deconstructing based against him. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:17.640 We may have to get some ladies in. Yeah, I 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.880 think Let'speaks of Love a bit. Yeah, exactly. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:25.080 Yeah, So we'll get to we'll come back. And I'm 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.400 really fascinated with your thoughts on comesus, Cramer, But your 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:31.560 three favorite films, we had Cameron James and recently hittd 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:35.040 Parenthood as a fun episode if you haven't heard that one. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:39.400 But he also nominated The Wedding Singer. Did you know that? Well, 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:40.760 you guys bonded over there. 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:42.600 We have spoken. Cameron and I are quite good friends 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:44.280 with it down the road from each other in Sydney, 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.520 and we love we love the Wedding Singer. 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:47.760 I don't know why. 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:49.920 And I feel like all my three choices are quite 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.720 like I listened to Lloyd's episode and he's like naming 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.200 movies I've never liked these. 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.199 Art house I've never heard of, and I'm like the Wedding. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:58.760 Singer, which is But I feel like all the things 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.200 I've picked a drench did in stunger for me, like 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.320 they're the things that i've movies that I've just gone 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.640 back to and the Wedding Singer for some reason, is 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.000 just a movie I've seen so many times in my life, 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.840 and like, I feel like it was a pivotal role 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.160 in my teens, especially my late teens, when I would 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.320 like be smoking weed with my friends, we would put 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.040 The Weddings Singer on and like laugh a lot, and like, 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.240 I think it's easily Adam Sandler's probably best film. The 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.520 plot is nothing amazing, but it's like him and Drew 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.360 Barrymore hold the film in like such an incredible way, 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.280 and it's funny. That's the other thing, Like it is 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.400 actually funny, And there's lines in that that I still 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.559 There's a line in it where Robbie, which is Adam 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.680 sandler Zerman brother, Yeah, he he hates Glenn, who's the 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.920 guy that Drew Barrymore is dating, and so he says, 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:42.520 why don't you have a few drinks and drive home? 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.560 And it's just like a stupid line, But that was 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.840 like one of the first like real jokes that I 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.080 ever like be like, you can just be mean to people. 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.400 And I've said that in crowd work, Like I've stolen 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.760 that doing stand up and been like someone's annoying me 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:56.520 I'm like, you should have a few drinks and drive home, 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.120 like so, I think the movie is great, even to 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.400 the point I went to the new musical earlier this 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.960 year in Sydney. It must have been Stokes well Pete. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:05.640 It took. 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.440 I don't like musicals at all, like they're not for me. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.280 I know some people love them. And then I was like, 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.120 but who cares, Like it's the wedding singer. 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:13.520 I'll go. 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:15.840 And then I sat down and within the first like 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.560 four minutes, I realized Adam Sandler's not in this musical, 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.400 or so is the character in there? No, the character is, 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.600 but in my head it was going to be. I 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.720 thought maybe Adam Sander would have something to do. And 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.199 then all that they only did the two songs they 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:34.240 did obviously the end song, you know, the grow old 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.360 with You, and then they did the other song that 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.800 you know when he's like, were your kill me? I 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.600 want to do that? And then the rest were like 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.400 shitty musicals, like you know, they're just like I'm not 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.320 playing blah blah blah, she's getting married and just all 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.080 this and it just sucked it, Like I didn't suck 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:52.480 if anyone's a thing that was in it. You were 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.600 terrific and your performances were incredible, but the. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.160 Idea, yeah you're saying, the idea behind it was on 0:11:58.280 --> 0:11:59.480 shaky ground. Yeah. 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.080 I just think they were using the good name of 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.280 a movie that a lot of people love with music 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.040 in it, because I would have loved to have go 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:08.880 and seen all the songs from the word, but I 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.800 don't think they can license all the songs. 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:12.520 To their musical. 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.600 But it was still it still was entertaining, but it 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.000 wasn't I think when you have so much love for 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.160 one thing and then it gets redone in kind of 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.920 another genre, it can be interesting to see my wife. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.240 I like the wedding singer. My wife really likes this. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:32.520 And I think watching Adam Sam Landrew Barrymore in any 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:37.439 movie is fun. My fifty first dates I really enjoy. 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.120 Yeah, you know, and it's all guilt free watching the 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:40.480 other thing. 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:41.079 Absolutely. 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:43.560 But when I was invited to the wedding singer and 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.880 I said to the bridge, do you want to go? 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:46.480 Like you know? 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:52.000 And I couldn't quite and we didn't go, And I 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:53.440 think it was a timing thing in the end. But 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.960 I couldn't quite get my head around how why or 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.560 how they were doing this. Yeah, totally, And I think 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.679 sometimes you know, and I'm always I give something a chance, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.240 so you know, like it was more of a time 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.439 issue from us not getting there. My wife went and 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.760 saw Jagie Little Pill and she had no idea you 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.160 know what that was going to be. Like I was 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.560 blown away by it, like this said, this is one 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:16.560 of the like unlike any other things she's seen. She 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.839 was maybe outside Hamilton, she was, and she loved it. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.000 A week later, still talking about Jague Little Pill. So 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:23.880 so everyone else in that one, well done. 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.400 Yeah I wasn't talking a week later about the wedding. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:28.520 Well the problem was it was years. 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.760 Later you're talking about it. You won't shut up about it. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:33.839 They just like extended out I will stop talking about it. 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:35.440 But this is my last point. It's like they just 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.440 extended out scenes that weren't even big in the movie 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.559 and became like these ten minute songs. And it's just 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:42.920 like I don't know if you remember the scene, but 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.079 there's a scene where he's he's in the bin after 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.960 he like ruins a gig he's doing above MITSV or something, 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:49.840 and then like Drew Barrymoll has to come and get 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:51.599 get him, and it's like a two minute scene she's like, 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.360 get out of the bin. But in the musical that 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.640 was like a fifteen minute epic sing along where they're like, 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.280 get out of the bin. You shouldn't be in the bin, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.840 and it's going for ever and ever and ever. So Yeah, Anyway, 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:04.360 it also feels. 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.760 That it's refusing to acknowledge that one of the best 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.839 thing about the Wedding Sing is Adam Sandler and Drew 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.280 Barry totally. 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.040 That's actually where what it comes down to, like the 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.520 script is that's the other thing. Watching the musical, I'm 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.360 just like, oh, the plot of this is every other 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.560 thing I've seen ever before. But the thing that makes 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.720 it good is the dynamic and the chemistry between those two. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.960 Yeah, school of Rock got away with it. We saw 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:28.080 a School of Rock in New York and with the kids, 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.480 and that was fun. But you got I saw that. 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.520 As I say, I hate musicals, but I did see that. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.360 Yeah, did you enjoy that? I liked it? Yeah? Yeah, 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:35.880 because but you got the kids as well. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.000 Kids are great, and you know, it's not necessarily like 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.480 the wedding sing is based on the chemistry between these two. 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:45.440 You know, wonderful actors where where Jack Black gives an 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.440 unbelievable performance, but it's not like he needs to build 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.480 this chemistry with with you know, another actor. 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:55.200 But I really enjoyed score of Rock, both movie and 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:55.720 the musical. 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.320 Yeah, Big Chill, Now do you know have you seen 0:14:58.360 --> 0:14:58.800 the Big Chill? 0:14:58.880 --> 0:14:59.040 I have? 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.440 Yeah, Big Chill? I think is like the most nostalgic 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.720 choice here for me because when I was growing up, 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.920 not only did my parents have the movie on VHS 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:11.800 and would make me watch it a lot, not make 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:13.920 me watch it, but like I loved it, but then 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.880 we would also we also had the soundtrack on vinyl, 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.960 and the soundtrack is umble. It's all these old motown 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:20.440 hits and. 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:22.080 One of the first big soundtracks. 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.360 Oh yes, like Aretha Franklin and like the band and 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.600 like all these great acts, and it's like I still 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.000 listen to it now, and like the opening scene has 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.520 got like the rolling stones that you can't always get 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.760 where you were, Like it's like iconic. And so this movie, 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:37.960 like when I someone says the Big Chill, I think 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.640 about the soundtrack playing and like the smell of like 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.240 my mum having coffee, like brown coffee. So it's like, 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.800 it's very vivid to me, this movie. But it wasn't 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.600 until I probably got to like my early twenties that 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.920 I then rewatched it and then realized how much I 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.600 loved the movie as well. And it's probably because I 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.640 think I watched it so much growing up in the soundtrack, 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.920 but also just like, you know the concept of like 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.520 friends going away, living different lives and then coming back 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.520 together and stuff, and it's so applicable, especially in your 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.640 early twenties or when you move into like a more 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:09.240 serious point of adulthood. 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:10.440 Yeah, it's like. 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.400 You know, it's a bit more bang on. 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.400 I haven't watched it for a while, but it was 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.400 in my mind. It was one of those movies that 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.760 was like one of the first based on the idea 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.960 of like adults getting together a you know, like a 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.400 beachside you know, or you know, a retreat, yeah, and 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.280 hanging out and things coming up. 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.880 Well, now it feels like every person's weekend ever they 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:35.040 hire an airbnb and a. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:35.600 Bunch of friends. 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:37.960 But like, yeah, I'm sure back then because it's like 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.760 early eighties, I think the film might be yeah, or 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.880 maybe late eighties, but then it does seem like they're 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.920 there for a funeral for their friend. Yes, but it's 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.920 like it ends up becoming this whole separate thing and 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:49.040 they all hang. 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:50.080 Around, but it is. 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:54.120 Yeah, it's totally like an interesting not a coming of 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.440 age thing, but it's it's not Dowur, but it's kind 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.000 of quite uplifting in itself. 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:04.960 Yeah, Kasten actually wrote and directed that, which I yeah, 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:09.399 lines Casten obviously involved with Indiana Jones and and Star Wars, 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:10.720 and I strikes back. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:17.600 Very different angle, very really, I'm not sure. 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.560 I'm not sure which film you were watching didn't star 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:22.479 warst with a funeral an. 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.320 I've also shown this film to like every girl I've 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.399 ever dated. It's been like real, it's like because you know, 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.280 it's one of my things to be like if this 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.560 is if you want to be nor like this is 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.679 a thing that's important to me. None of them have 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.680 ever like liked it as much as everyone's feel like, yeah, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.600 it's fine, like I don't see the and I'm like it, 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.840 but the soundtrack's good as well, and they're like, yeah, 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.920 so I know there's only one Rose Matafao who's now 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.080 a superstar, like you know, the biggest whatever going around. 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:48.920 She's one of the only people that I've ever met 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:50.800 that loves this movie as much as I do and 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.840 has a get We've talked about it for hours, just 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.040 like different aspects about this movie. But everyone else is like, yeah, 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:57.640 I mean it's a good film, but I wouldn't watch 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:57.920 it again. 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.080 Oh, people, I'm sure it has come up. I'll have 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:02.600 to try to track it down. I've got we have 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.440 to come up with a list, I think a spreadsheet 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.639 everybody's favorite films, so I can have access to it 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.119 straight away, because I it certainly come up in people's 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.240 favorite films before on this podcast. I watched it when 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.159 I was about fourteen or fifteen, so it'd be interesting 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.040 that if I go back and watch it do it 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.960 again as an adult, and maybe I've seen bits of 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.240 it like on TV, but they never sat down and 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:28.640 watched the whole thing since the rip, William hurt and 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:29.359 it departed. 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.199 Yes, now, surely someone supports this. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:32.600 This has come up. This has come up. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:37.879 I love Scorsese. For some reason, I didn't love the 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:39.240 part of as much as I thought I was going. 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.280 So many elements to it that should absolutely works. It's 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.000 set in Boston, It's. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.200 Got great act years and I liked it. 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.800 I hated the last shot of the movie. Oh really, yeah, 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:53.800 the rat. I didn't like the rat now well on 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:54.160 the nose. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.520 I mean it's really like, you know when there's like 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:58.440 subtext in you know, when you see a comedy show 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.240 and you're like, there's a subtext and the and they 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:00.720 just say. 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.440 So that show was about my man's there. 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're like, oh, well, yeah, we picked 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.119 up on that. You didn't have to say that at 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:08.439 the end. 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.160 Yeah, it's been I thought it was a bit heavy headed. 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.760 But I mean I and I watched it. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.160 Not that long ago again and I enjoyed, Like I'm 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.719 not and I'm not surprised it comes up as people's 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.359 favorite films. I was so excited. It might have been 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.679 an expectation thing. Yeah, I look at all these magical 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.159 pieces in this one film. I was looking forward to 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:28.080 seeing it. I liked it. I just didn't love it 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:29.200 as much as I thought. 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.720 Yeah, well that's interesting. I watched it probably once a year. 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.360 I'll rewatch it. And I just remember the first time 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.640 I watched it, I was probably I don't know, seventeen 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:42.000 or and just like my mind was like I'd never 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.159 had been like that hooked and then been like like 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.520 felt like the plot had just turned on its head 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.000 at the end and we're like all that stuffs happened. 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.920 That's crazy. And it was like all these cool men 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:54.960 and I was like a young man and they're just 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.119 like shooting guns or whatever and like tricking people. I 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:00.479 was like, this is unbelievable. There was so much in 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:02.760 it for me just to feast on. And so now 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:04.680 I think it's another trip down memory late but also 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:06.760 I think it but there's a few scenes that don't 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.560 hold hold up. Jack Nicholson's trying to get I think 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:12.560 their Koreans or Chinese, and they're bringing in microprocess It 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.240 keeps saying we're going to get the microprocesses, and you're like, 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.280 that doesn't hold it. We don't know what you're doing about, 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.360 what the fuck is a microprocess. 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.600 I really love films where like the detail, you know, whatever, 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.919 they's just whatever they're shipping in. They keep it simple. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.040 I can keep it simple, Yeah, exactly. 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.000 Don't now people need to make things knowing that it 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:33.399 will date so quickly. 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:35.200 I remember in the eighties on bombs were always a 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.480 big thing, like yeah, yeah, I haven't no idea what bombs. 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.480 I still don't know what they are. I have a 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.480 friend that works in like finance, and I had to 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.080 get her to explain them to me, and it still 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:47.640 didn't really Nah, check out. But there's a lot going 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:50.320 on and it's kind of dated, but it is like, man, 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.080 there's some great performances in there. Mark Wahlberg, who I 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.440 think sucks as an actor, he was great in it, 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:57.639 and like, you know, Jack Nicholson. 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:57.960 Is crazy in it. 0:20:58.000 --> 0:20:59.480 But yeah, I mean it is probably a bit heavy 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.159 handed by think that's what I love about it. 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.439 Oh, I mean it's you know, I mean those scenes 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.199 when everything goes pair shape and everyone's getting you know, 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.119 you know killed. 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:12.480 Yeah, it's crazy. It is crazy. 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:14.520 And I can never have never been able to quite 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.840 put my finger on why I don't think. 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:19.440 This is a classic. 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:22.080 Well I'm hapy to accept it as a classic, but 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.520 in my head that it hasn't reached that status. 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:26.720 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.439 Well, not to go back to the girlfriend test, but 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:33.600 my current girlfriend the part of on the first date, Oh, 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:35.520 I know, but I probably six months in I was 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.360 like do you want watch this? And she's like, yeah, 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.440 and she grew up in Argentina, so she's like there's 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.760 a lot of like pop culture gaps that she has, 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:44.760 Like she came to Australa when she was twelve, that 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:46.480 I have that. I like try to show her. She 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.040 falls asleep like ten minutes into the department and she's like, 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.840 this sucks. And then I was talking to my friend, 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:55.359 a mutual friend of ours, Tom Cashman. He tried to 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:58.560 show his girlfriend that Departed. She falls asleep within ten minutes, 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.000 and we're both like, but this movie is so good. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:01.879 This is crazy. These women are for all your sleep? 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:04.359 What's wrong with them? And then he found out I 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.120 think there's a Japanese remake of The Departed. 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:09.840 No, it's actually the part is based on the jet 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:12.840 it's actually Chinese. I think it's Infernal Affairs. 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:14.760 Oh okay, so it's Chinese. 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:15.800 Yeah, I think so. 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.200 Well, so then he went so he showed his girlfriend 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.399 the Chinese version and then she's like, well this is 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:24.720 very cultured and nix so we're watching a foreign film. 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:26.920 Watched it and loved it. So then in his head 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:28.640 he never told her that, but in his head, he's 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:29.199 like that was a win. 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:34.280 She did like that could end up that could end 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:39.800 up in divorce. It could be cash Mean versus Kash Cashman. Well, 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:40.919 let's tat it about. 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:44.000 Kramer versus kram In nineteen seventy nine, directed and written 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:48.080 by Robert Benton from a novel from Avery Corman, starring 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:51.800 of course, Dustin Hoffman and Meryl Street Sam Tauton. 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:54.200 Who did you like it? I loved it? 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.240 I thought it was great. Can I say so? We're 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:58.679 recording this at the last weekend of comedy festival. 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:00.920 I'm not sure your timeline. But what a time? 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:02.960 This What a time to watch this one. 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:05.520 I didnt actually think, fuck, I hope this film hasn't 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:06.800 ruined the end of your festival. 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:10.600 Like I'm like at the end, I'm like, my body 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.040 is breaking down. I'm so tired, I'm so emotional. People 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:16.959 like anything gets me. I haven't seen my girlfriend for weeks. 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:19.080 And then we put this and I was just like 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:21.320 watching it, just like having a can. I was like, 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:24.000 this is the heaviest movie. It felt like the heaviest 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:25.679 thing I've ever watched in my life. Like I was 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:28.359 crying in the in the court scene when they're like 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.159 going back and forth like talking about how bad the 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:32.840 other person was, but they don't really mean it and 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:34.639 they're like, I was like, why are you doing this? 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:37.080 You should love each other. So I loved it, but 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:39.320 my god, it was a heavy film to. 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:43.280 Watch because you have history of divorce in your family. Well, 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:44.680 my parents got divorced really young. 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:47.399 Yeah, right, But I don't feel like that that really 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:49.400 because I mean I was too young really to even 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:52.240 know what was going on. Right, But like, I mean, 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:56.480 I've been through breakups, you know, I know the pain. 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:57.280 You know. 0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.760 I didn't feel for the kid who cares. I was 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:02.080 more like I was like Dustin and Merril, you're good 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:03.880 to get. Like they're so hot as well, like they're 0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:07.480 young at their peak, they're so attractive. I'm like, you 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:08.560 guys can make this work. 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:10.280 Come on, it's it's it's it's. 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.080 Well, let's have a listen to the opening scene because 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:17.240 it really sets up a lot well, obviously the plot 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:19.440 of the movie, but and what we're about to be watching, 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:21.639 but it sets up so many things that are so 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.800 good about this movie. So this is where Meryl Streep's 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:28.520 Joeba is announcers to Ted He's come home and you've 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:30.760 got a promotion. He's pretty happy, he's making a quick 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:35.400 phone call as she's telling him that she's leaving him. 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:38.040 Please, I'm sorry. 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:40.200 Now, don't don't make me go in there. 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:41.800 Please, please don't make me go in there. 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:43.000 Don't make me go in there. 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:44.160 If you do, I. 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.919 Swear one day, next week, maybe next year, I don't know. 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:51.280 I go right out the window. What am I doing? 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:56.320 I'm not taking in with me. 0:24:57.359 --> 0:25:00.119 I'm not good for him. I'm terrible with you. 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:01.840 I have no patience. 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:05.040 He's better off without me. 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:15.960 Trump please, and I don't love you anymore. 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:18.280 That's a kicker. 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:21.640 Oh, because that's early in the movie. 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:25.240 That's what have you done to me? Yeah, it's really 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:29.359 it's basically the second scene we see the opening scenes. 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:32.000 It's a lovely shot of Meryl Street saying goodbye to her. 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.640 Somebody that really know exactly what's going on in the context. 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:34.920 Yet. 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:38.680 Then we go to Ted's office and he's talking about 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:41.760 buying a jacket or something or whatever, and he's being 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:43.200 you know, feed up on the desk, kind of do 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:48.080 she kind of advertising exec you know, corporate world gets 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:49.800 the promotion, goes out with his bus and then and 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.159 then comes home to that. So there's some stuff that 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.400 goes on in the apartment, then it goes out into 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:57.440 the corridor, so the hall way. I assume you've seen 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:01.560 the movie obviously if you're listening to this, But when 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:02.920 she says, don't make me go back, and she's talking 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:05.720 about the apartment, but yes, but what is when when? 0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:10.760 So when she says I'm leaving you, did you have thoughts? 0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:14.280 Because my head certainly went to, oh, he's had an 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:18.840 affair or like, there's you know, there's you know, there's 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.720 a real reason he's fucked up this marriage and she's 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.120 leaving him. That was like, I think that's where Hollywood 0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:26.359 has kind of a year made my mind think and 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:29.280 it becomes way more interesting as his scene players out. 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:32.400 But did you have a feeling of what was going 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:35.199 on early in that scene that maybe a misdirect or. 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:38.280 Well, look, I think they had given us enough information 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.919 with him being at work and being like, you know, 0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:44.080 busy at work or whatever. But also that's such a 0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:48.360 like you know, just like almost like a corny easy 0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:50.760 plot line to be like, oh he works too much 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:53.000 and yeah, you know it doesn't you know, give his 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:56.200 family enough attention or whatever. But I felt like as 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.119 soon as you saw I think it's like mertle Street's 0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:01.199 performance in this scene especially, that is the thing that 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.959 really it's like you just see a woman tortured with 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:06.199 the decisions of where her life's ended up, you know, 0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.800 like and being like she needs to get out. So 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.199 I didn't know, you don't know exactly what's happened, but 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:13.600 I figured, you know, this woman's not happy in her 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.200 like it doesn't really matter to be what's happened, yeah, 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.040 because it's like it's not working out. You can see 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.359 how distress she is. And like that scene when she 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:24.560 tells him she's leaving is like one of the most relatable, 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.960 like I feel like break ups because like everyone's broken 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:29.480 up with someone before and it's like just one of 0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:31.240 the most gut wretched or you've been broken up with. 0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:34.719 And like seeing her she's like chainsmoking Ciggi's like on 0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:36.800 the couch before he comes in and you see him 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.560 come in and just I just it was just brilliant 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:41.040 because it's like that might be one of the most 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:42.960 relatable kind of break up things I've ever seen, because 0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:44.840 that's what it's like, You've got to get yourself into 0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.000 a place to do it, and then it's gut wretching 0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:48.439 and then the person doesn't want you to do it 0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:50.760 and you've got to got to stay strong. But your 0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:53.600 words they're like it's hard to speak and speak like, 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:55.240 I just think it's a really good it's a strong 0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:56.080 start to the film. 0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:57.240 Oh, it's such a strong start. 0:27:57.240 --> 0:28:00.320 And at the time and also break up time, like 0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:04.600 like it doesn't often says Ted says, way, you really 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:07.040 know how to pick your moments. And what I love 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:10.840 about this scene is is you can understand. 0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:12.000 Both points of view totally. 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:13.639 Like you can understand that he's going, hey, I just 0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:16.359 I've been working really hard and before the you know, 0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:21.640 for the family, and like like it can come off, 0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:23.840 you know, you can come off as a bit asshole, 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.639 you know, but if you actually put it in his 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.480 frame of mind, it's like he's come home to celebrate 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:33.479 with you. Promotion, whatever we're aiming for the next thing 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:36.000 of life is probably gonna happen now, you know. And 0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:37.960 I'm about to tell you and this is this is 0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:41.120 what you're telling me. So in his headspace, I understand that. 0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:44.960 But when when she kind of says this is like 0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:46.840 she takes ownership of it. This is me, This is 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.680 actually not about you. That's when a big scene becomes 0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:52.120 so much more interesting if it was about him having 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:54.080 an affair, all that he said, working too hard, it 0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.040 feels like it's hacky. And in Meryl Streep's character Joan 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.880 and never blames that you know it's about her. And 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:05.240 this is in nineteen seventy nine. The idea I imagine, 0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:10.720 like a woman leaving well her husband and leaving the child. 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.360 Well, that's what I because like that whole thing of 0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.360 like you're not really feeling sorry. I feel like the 0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:19.680 whole you're not even though I would say Dustin Hoffman's 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.040 character is probably more the protagonist, like he's probably the 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.840 central character. It's not like you are siding with him 0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:28.080 at any point, Like you completely understand both sides of 0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:29.800 the thing, and you totally right that when it came 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.840 out in seventy nine, she's leaving, it feels like it's 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.480 like maybe quite a progressive film for the time, Like 0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:38.800 I was trying to kind of because like now you 0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:40.840 would be like it's kind of a very common kind 0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:42.719 of this is how relationships do break down. But in 0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.520 seventy nine, just to leave your kid because you're unhappy 0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:48.200 in the relationship, It's like yeah, but also not be 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:52.479 painted a complete villain by the film. So yeah, it 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:54.640 feels it felt quite a progressive kind of. 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.360 I completely agree. I write it down that it's a 0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:00.320 weirdly progressive film, which is really progressive moment. 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.760 So he's that it's Christmas. Even he just kisses a 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:03.400 random woman. 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:09.080 Well, that's way fair. We'll get to that. Hears of 0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:12.160 kissing on the way out. He gets the job and 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.840 he ends up kissing. It seems like a random just 0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.960 a random girl who happens to be in real life, 0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:22.960 a form of Miss Norway had a playboy pet. I'm 0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.760 not sure if it doesn't often just grabbed an extra 0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:26.520 on the way out. 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:32.920 That's so funny, that's amazing. Definitely his idea, Yeah, yeah. 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.680 Yeah, okay, well when you're Dustin you can but his decision. 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:37.640 Probably not happening on the set in twenty twenty ten. 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:43.840 But also like, yeah, what you say is absolutely true 0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:47.200 as far as he's nine seventy nine, and where how 0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:49.880 this would have been viewed, and also the term I'm 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:51.800 not sure if the term mental health had been coined. 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:54.760 And now we look through it and kind of go, yeah, 0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:56.880 I understand it, like go, I can. 0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:00.400 See your struggle, you know, play out in front of 0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:02.760 me now. But you do need to go and find 0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:05.920 help and whatever you need and this is what's best 0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:06.920 for you. Go do that. 0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:09.840 Yeah, But watching in nineteen seventy nine, there would have 0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:12.160 been men in the cinema just fucking furious. 0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.240 You're like, well, it's like they couldn't like now, like 0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.120 footy players take a week off because they've. 0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:17.920 Got mental health issues. 0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:20.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's how far we're come, 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:22.440 do you know what I mean? Like back then, the 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:24.200 idea of a man being like I need to talk 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:27.000 to someone, or even like I feel like ladies in 0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.560 that situation needing to talk to like it just wouldn't 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:31.360 You wouldn't speak about these things. You get married to 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:34.080 stay together. That's why you're totally right in your initial 0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.320 point about divorce being in the zeitgards because it is 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:40.360 really captured this moment where you can relationships can break 0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:42.680 down and it's okay, like you just have to get 0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:43.320 on with life. 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:43.600 Yeah. 0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:48.440 And this this film never over dramatizer, considering its drama. 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:52.600 Like the details and it's the ordinariness of what they 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.560 go through and the impact divorce will have on the 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.640 friends and work. Yeah, like the fact that we never 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.840 know when Dustin Hoffman brings home a woman, you know, 0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:06.440 and very funny scene, you know, when she's naked like 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:09.080 that doesn't get played out to be like traumatic for 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:10.080 the kid, not at all. 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.680 And I thought that was such a nice choice as well, 0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:14.680 because there was not the big scene where he had 0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:16.480 to sit down and be like, well, you know, she's 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:17.960 a friend. 0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:19.680 Ye yeah, yeah, it was great. 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.000 They just had like a nice moment of realness and 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.200 then moved on, which is probably the reality of what 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.360 would happen when your kid is seven years old or whatever. 0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:28.440 They would be like, oh, there's a lady in my house. Yeah, 0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:29.520 and then you'd move on with it. 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:31.560 Before we move on, I just want to point out 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.480 the breakup scene. There's something else had happened kind of 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:38.400 in the production. And Dustn't Hoffan apparently not a great. 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:43.320 Dude during the making of this film and a bit notorious, 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.280 a bit notoriously difficult on sets. 0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:49.000 So when he makes TUTSI after a couple of years 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:51.120 after this, and it was almost an in joke that 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:52.480 he was playing this difficult actor. 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:57.040 So and he he would. 0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:59.520 Do things like with Meryl Streep This is Meryl Streep's 0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:04.040 first film, so first all the clues were there that 0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:06.800 she was going to be in the go and in fact, 0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:10.520 that scene was the first scene she shot. Oh my god, 0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:14.280 and in the first scene of the first movie she's 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:19.080 ever shot. In the first take Dustin Hoffman slapshirt, which 0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:21.360 is not in the script, oh my god, and that 0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:25.440 became like that was a fucking oh yeah, what what 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.800 the was that? So they got to a weird start. 0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:33.120 But what's interesting to me is I don't think Dustin 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:38.320 Hoffman with me say this understood the fucking scene if 0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:40.480 that's what he was doing, because what's. 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:44.200 Great about his character for him to do that exactly. 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:46.160 That's what's so great about that scene. 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:48.000 And I think what makes this film so timeless, and 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.960 I think it's actually dates really well outside of a 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:55.080 couple of things we'll get to, is that both I 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.920 think both characters act with dignity. 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.920 Yes, one hundred percent, and they both hold themselves. And 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:03.320 that kind of goes back to my point is that 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:06.120 you're never like it's not like you're being like, I 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:08.200 hope this side wins or I hope this side's wins. 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.839 It's more just like an incredible. You're just watching a 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:15.040 marriage or a relationship dissolve basically, and it's just sad, 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:17.080 is what it is. Because they do for him to 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.839 stop her. It's like that completely misrepresents what his cut, 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:23.040 which is a man who is grappling, working hard, trying 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:25.279 to do the right thing. Maybe he was misguided in 0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.000 his approach initially, but he wants to be a good 0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:29.959 parent and a good family man, like yeah, yeah. 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.279 And also that comes up in the corporate seedings later on, 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.040 but they told that when they outline everything. 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.080 Does he drink? Does he has he ever been abusive? 0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.320 You know? He sent me in seeing one. 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:46.120 Yeah, so and then and then it's nice. I like, 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.080 you know, he wakes up in the morning, he said 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:52.120 his son Billy one of the all time great child 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:56.120 performances mentioned in the intro. Youngest acted to be nominated 0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.879 for an oscar you can win it, but incredible, still 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.640 the youngest to this day. He doesn't flush. Did you 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:03.040 know what to say? 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:07.160 Oh, it doesn't flush, which may have been the reason 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.560 Joanah left. I think this underlying you put the trauma 0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:12.520 on the kid. I think maybe you flushed the toilet. 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:14.040 You would have stayed around. I think you may have 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:20.239 started COVID to be honest, but the French host scene 0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:23.480 is I think it's it seems like, you know, it'd 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:26.399 be easy to write this off as an easy scene 0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:28.279 to write and having there and it's a bit of 0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:32.320 you know, possible high jinks, but it's a really important 0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:36.480 scene because it shows well, it shows that he's he's 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:39.320 going to try to keep things positive. You know, he's 0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:42.560 going to try to adopt you know, the more paternal 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:44.920 role because he's been maybe a little bit absent with 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:45.799 through work. 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.160 But it shows that the biggest thing, it shows that 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:52.040 he's trying. And we've spoken about this podcast. It's so important. 0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:54.560 We love characters who try. 0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.560 Yes, as soon as a character stops trying, it's like, 0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.040 oh fuck, I can't be bother man. I tried. I 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:01.319 made him to get to the cinema to worry. 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:04.720 Yeah, yeah, I put on I hit the button on Netflix. 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:07.759 I don't mind. You need to try to try. Well. 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:10.200 I think it's a great scene as well also because 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.920 it kind of looked like nothing really I've seen before, 0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:15.839 like a real fumbling of like him trying to make 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.239 French toast, to make breakfast through his kid, and it 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:20.680 kind of was like it felt like, yeah, he's going 0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:22.200 to try it, which is great, like I want to 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:25.399 see him try, but also he doesn't really know what 0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:27.080 to do, do you know what I mean? And it's 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:28.719 kind of like my friend just had a baby two 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:30.640 days ago and I was talking to him on the 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:32.440 phone and he's like, it's crazy, man, they just I 0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:34.120 just had to bring it home from the hospital, and 0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:36.640 now they expect us to know what to do. And 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:38.799 it's kind of similar to what he was got, like, yeah, 0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:41.920 they wake up, Meryl Street's gone and he's in charge, 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:45.040 and he's like, well, i've heard she makes breakfast. I'll 0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:46.480 just have a go at breakfast. And you see him 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:48.560 trying to do it and he's fucking around in the kitchen. 0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:52.160 Everything's going everywhere, but he's positive and he's trying, but 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:53.399 he's alone. Yeah. 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:57.239 Yeah, and the frustration bursts, you know obviously when he 0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:00.360 burns the French toast and you should have realized probably 0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:05.160 sooner than smell on the sizzle, But it bubbles over 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:09.040 and it's it's a lovely see because yeah, he's trying, 0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:12.000 and he is like his wife's left him and he 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:14.800 doesn't I think at that stage though he still believes 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:16.960 it's not over and she'll be coming back, so he. 0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:19.440 Should because like, yeah, I mean all we've seen at 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:21.200 this point was they had a fight and she left, 0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.240 So you wouldn't think it's over forever. 0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:26.120 Yeah, and they do let out the detail I think. 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.000 I think when he talks to his boss, who will 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:30.600 get the boss in the second. 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:32.040 I'm not sure if he gets through the pandemic, to 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:36.279 be honest, Yeah, I mean some choices he's made. I'm 0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:39.600 not sure if yeah, you're aloud at the sack people 0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:40.480 because they. 0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:44.120 Yeah, I reckon, that's not on. 0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:46.360 I'm not sure if he's allowing people to work at 0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:47.280 home during the pandemic. 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:49.680 He's not going to set up a home office. 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.440 But he does mention that this has come up before, 0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:57.800 like this this idea that she'll come back, and you 0:37:57.880 --> 0:37:59.880 know that you know she's had these things, but you 0:37:59.920 --> 0:38:00.320 know we've. 0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:00.839 Gone through this before. 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:05.080 But it'll be fine. But yeah, he does get that 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:09.840 letter though, and it's a strange choice when he decides 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:12.040 to read it blindly out loud to the kidder. 0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:13.520 I don't think I've ever done that before. 0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:15.480 Yeah, I mean, I guess they needed to do it 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:16.840 to advance plot. 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.560 Cinematically, of course it makes. 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:19.960 Sense because he needs to you're not going to read 0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:22.239 it out loud to yourself, So of course he just 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:25.879 traumatizes the poor cher Like I mean we're talking about, 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.359 you know, like inherent childhood trauma. That think as if 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:32.560 your dad reading out the letter of why she left, 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:34.600 like at the moment, you wouldn't realize anything when you're 0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:35.600 twenty five year in. 0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:38.160 Therapy for sure. And then he just posted on the wall. 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:40.680 Every thought you go to sleep, I want you to 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:42.480 read this and remember why she left. 0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:44.160 And then. 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:48.600 There was one scene, actually it was a very quick 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:51.000 scene where he goes and picks him up from a party. 0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.840 This is like just starting the show that you know, 0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:57.680 he the compromises he has to make for work. And 0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:00.319 what was interesting for me is Billy when he said, 0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.000 Billy's are sitting on a seat near the door. It's 0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:05.160 obviously the birthday boy is completely given up on him. 0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:09.000 It's this kid. Do you remember going to parties ever 0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:09.880 where even. 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:12.759 A sleepover where either you were going to sleep or 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:14.879 you had people over where you just got completely over 0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:15.319 each other. 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:16.719 By the time, I. 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:19.080 Remember going to sleepovers, and I'd get to like you 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.279 know'd get to eight pm and I'd be like, you know, 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.040 I'm ready to go to sleep, and I'd be like, no, 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:24.960 call my parents. I'm going to get him to come 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:26.560 and pick me up. I don't want to be here anymore, 0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.040 Like I remember, Yeah, I used to, and I still 0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:30.960 get it sometimes, Like I'll be at the pub and 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:32.400 I'll be having the best time and then it just 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.480 hits eleven pm or something and everyone's still having fun 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:36.040 and I'm like, I'm going I just need to leave 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:37.920 so I can't be around you people. 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:39.320 So you call my parents. 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:43.040 You call my mum, please preferably on her landline, if 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:43.640 that's possible. 0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:48.239 I do. Yeah, that that that will make a lot 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:56.200 of memories to me. The sorry and then Joanna, So 0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.279 did you expect I assume you expected Joanna to return. 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:00.120 I assume you knew. 0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:04.160 Well if she was going to. I mean, if it's one, 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:06.879 I mean all I've probably because all I've heard about 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:08.680 the film. Because that's the other thing with this film, 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:11.239 pet is that, like I reference this film in conversation 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:13.319 a lot to people, Like people will be like, oh, 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.920 divorce are like yeah, like creamer, that's cream Like, because 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:19.120 I've heard movie buffs talk about it quite a lot. 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:21.120 So it's like, I'm like, oh, I did I did 0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:23.160 know some stuff that it's so I knew she was 0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:23.600 coming back. 0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:25.360 Did you do that with soviets choice as well? A 0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:28.839 lot people do it with CERVI Choice, Real choice Choice. 0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:31.040 I'm not sure I do it with like music, I 0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:33.120 do it with so much stuff that I haven't consumed, 0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:36.399 but I've consumed that the talking points around that thing, 0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:38.719 I just spit it back out to people. Well, it 0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:40.279 makes me sound more interesting, I do. 0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:40.879 I do think. 0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:43.279 And we've speke about divorce being the Zegast and the film, 0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:45.880 so I feel like, feel free to correct me if 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:49.040 I'm wrong, if anyone listening knows, but at Yasney podcast 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:53.480 at gmail dot com. But this feels like the first 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:58.240 film that like really centered on divorce and took divorce seriously. 0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:00.680 I wasn't going to get distracted by other things going on. 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.959 There's no real violence in this film. There's no there's 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:05.280 no sex, there's nothing. 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:08.040 There's so little in it. I can't says how little. 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:12.280 It's just like domestic duties and like some heated arguments. 0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:15.440 That's all this is film like to make it spring 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.759 to Life from the Page is incredible. 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:22.560 Yeah, the highest grossing film. So Joanna, it turns in 0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.200 the window like it's like in a horror movie. 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:26.759 It's staring at her kid. 0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:28.480 That was one part where I'm like, I don't know, 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:30.680 Like I mean, I guess you would do I mean, 0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:32.480 you would do that if you wanted to see your 0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:35.000 son then you've been estranged or whatever. But yeah, it's 0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:37.120 just like she's there, just in the window, just staring 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:37.440 at all. 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:40.080 I felt like it made like a horror sting, some 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.279 kind of you know, accordion. 0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:44.560 Or and then the movie takes a real weird Yeah. 0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:47.640 Well it could have easily gone that way. Billy falls in. 0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:52.600 The in the park and and this is it's important 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:56.640 because Ted when they when he meets and we'll get 0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:59.920 to the meeting with him and Joanna soon, he kind 0:41:59.920 --> 0:42:02.560 of blames himself, yes, you know, and that comes up 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.200 in the Corpors sedings later on. But the stunts was 0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:07.960 interesting because Billy seems. 0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:08.560 To fall. 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.920 And land on his right cheek. And I didn't watch 0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:14.879 it back. I meant to watch it back to kind of. 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.040 You know, I mean, it looks like the most seventies 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:19.960 thing I've ever seen. In a field like you don't 0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:22.440 really know what's going on. It's like the camera's moving 0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:23.799 like yeah. 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:26.759 And it's and it it feels like maybe this is 0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:28.880 why the rest of the film is a bit talky 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:31.640 and a kind of because maybe Robert Bend know how 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:34.680 to shoot action. Because he lands is a rock. I 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:37.880 think he lands on lands something like that. But he 0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:40.560 seems to land on his right cheek, but the blood 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:43.000 straight away is on his left. 0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:47.200 And if you watch the wells he falls to, I 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.680 want to say, he falls to his right, is that correct? 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.320 And then lands yes, down and then you're right, and 0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:55.520 then doesn't off carrying him like running down the street 0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:57.840 and there's blood streaming down the as. 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:01.200 As soon as he lands' on the on the side 0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:04.880 facing up, yeah, which seems to me unless he's hit 0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:06.040 something else going down there was. 0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:08.440 Like maybe someone threw a rock at him as his 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:11.960 mid fall or something, and maybe Joe, yeah, maybe Joan 0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:13.960 from the window broke. 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:19.799 And then said you fell, you fall, Yeah, you're a 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:21.759 bad far. I think they've cracked on the open. This 0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:22.440 is a sequel. 0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:26.480 Johanna's a Bitch's. 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:30.680 A horror film. There's a horror film. Some good running. 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:34.720 Great running because like, what's the child's characters name, Billy Billy, 0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:36.360 Billy is not that small. 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:37.560 No, he's eight years old. 0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:39.640 He's eight years old and doesn't Hoffman, who's not a 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.160 big man either. He's got him under his arm, just 0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:45.440 sprinting through New York traffic in like at full belt, 0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:46.280 full full belt. 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:49.080 Gibson and crews get a lot of kudos for their 0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:52.920 running and they slide over cars or there's no sliding 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.880 over cars here. I granted that it wouldn't great to 0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:56.319 see that. 0:43:56.480 --> 0:44:02.040 It's going not missing a beat, But. 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.279 I think Be said that last time took everything out 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:05.879 of me. I'm I'm not shooting another one. 0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:08.640 He's like, we don't have the budget. 0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:13.479 So and he's running. Use a dollars. It's actually the act. 0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:18.080 It's him. Yeah, and he's running and he's big. He's big. 0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:18.959 It looks big. 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:19.879 It's uncomfortable. 0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:24.040 Yeah, and I assume I assumed there's a dolly shot 0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:27.799 like the cameras. It's pretty steady sometimes back in the 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:29.560 seventies there with this jump in the car. 0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:33.040 And just hold yeah, but I think you'll see a 0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:36.440 bit more wobble than you Actually, it's pretty steady, pretty steady. 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.719 They probably popped it on a dolly, But I mean 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:41.480 he did run for a while. It's a lot like 0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:43.280 he would have have to been like maybe one hundred 0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:44.200 metes long or something. 0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:46.160 He does good running. He doesn't get the credit. He's 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:47.560 a good running He runs at a wedding in the 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:48.319 graduate as well. 0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.479 Yeah, right, I mean he is in good I always 0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:52.279 think he's in good shape. He's got a physique which 0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:55.239 I quite like Dustin Hoffman. It's like short but like 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.919 but like built but not muscly. Does that make sense? 0:44:59.000 --> 0:44:59.200 Yeah? 0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:04.319 Absolutely, he doesn't like he's such a good actor, and 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:07.480 this is him that he's probably the peak of his powers. 0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:09.880 You know, it's disappointing to hear the stories that he 0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:12.560 wasn't great. The Meryl strip he was going through. He 0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:14.239 almost didn't do this film because he was going through 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:15.200 a messy divorce. 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:17.719 Can you imagine then doing it, Yes, like that would 0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:18.240 be terrible. 0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:20.319 But he said that it was actually quite therapeutic because 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:21.680 he could get a lot of it out and he 0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:25.520 actually helped, like this, tweak the script to make. 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:26.439 It feel more real. 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:28.480 That's so funny. Here I was thinking he was a 0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:30.239 great actor. He's just actually. 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:33.720 Just turn the camera on, It'll come out, don't worry. 0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:41.319 And then Meryl Streep, she dated John Gazal who missed 0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:43.960 it one. I'm going to start calling him because he's 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:46.879 potentially the only actor in the world. You know, he's 0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:49.040 made more than one or two films that has a 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.279 one hundred percent strike rate with his films. Yeah, so 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:55.320 he makes five films and they are the Godfather films 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:59.560 one and two plays Fredo, the Conversation, Dear Hunter and 0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:00.440 Dog They afternoon. 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:04.279 That's crazy, that's insane. Yeah, he dies after he makes 0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:06.560 a Deer Hunter. He was dating mill Street was also 0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:08.959 in a Deer Hunter. Yeah. Yeah, so she was still 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:12.479 grieving him. She was in a weird space as well. 0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:16.280 So this is what you do. People die around. 0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:20.680 Yeah, bring the bring your trauma to work kids. But 0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:24.920 what one thing Hoffman will do to elicit emotion out 0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:25.480 of Meryl. 0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:27.480 Street besides slapping her. 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:31.000 Besides slapping her, Hopefully the director took him a son 0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:32.600 and maybe less slapping. 0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:36.640 I know it's you can't do that, and you. 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:38.880 Know, and you know it doesn't happen. Doesn't realize that 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:41.840 it's Meryl Streep he's dealing with. Yet, Yes, of course. 0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:43.640 That's the other thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like but what 0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:45.319 he would do with someone that's go up to her 0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:46.839 and whispered John Gazel's name. 0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:53.479 Yeah, that's crazy. That's worse than the slap, that's what. Yeah, 0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:55.920 that's like psychological warfare. 0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:56.560 It's full on. 0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:59.279 But I guess his argument that that would get her, I. 0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:02.040 Know, and we've spoken a bit about this on the podcast. 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:06.239 The Shining is an example where they would you know, 0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:11.759 Kubrick could mess with Shelley del you know, like and 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:14.239 to the point where it's like fun, this is what 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:19.520 it's like, And it's like just hide the actors who 0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:20.320 can do the job. 0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:23.719 Well actors and directors. I think they hide behind the 0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:27.040 thing that they're like crazy artistic and they need to 0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:29.360 do this stuff to get the best performances out of 0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:32.879 people or themselves or whatever. But it's also like you're 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.680 still at work, you know what I mean. Maybe it's okay, 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:38.520 I don't know, but like whispering your dead the dead 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:40.440 partner's name in someone's ear. 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:42.200 Is like horrible. 0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:44.759 Although she did win an Academy Award. 0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:46.759 Wins they both they both say they both win the 0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:50.840 Oscars for Best Actor Hoffman and Best supporting actress Meryl 0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.160 Street when he gets to the hospital. This is something 0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:55.279 that has an age terribly. But it was a bit 0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:57.520 weird when the doctor says, you can't be in the room. 0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:01.520 What been doctor? Are you a pedophile? 0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:05.200 Just tell me that I'll get another doctor, because why 0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:06.120 can't I be in the room. 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:07.440 We might himches. 0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:10.319 It's not like I thought the like birth was the 0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:12.080 only thing that they used to be, like, you can't 0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:12.880 come in stitches. 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:14.400 It's like, what do you care if he sees the 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:16.399 stitches opening him up? 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:19.160 Yeah, you could do the stitches yourself. Probably let him 0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:23.080 be I guess again they wanted to see Hoffman get 0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:25.479 angry and be like he's my son him or whatever. 0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.440 But surely in the seventies you could still watch someone 0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:30.920 get stitches, like that's they used to just I mean, 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:33.520 that's the seventies. But like before they used to just 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:35.680 make you eat some wood, have a shot of whiskey, 0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:37.400 and they would saw your leg off if you like 0:48:37.440 --> 0:48:40.000 how to cut anyone was allowed to watch that. Yeah, 0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:41.759 and then what they moved into not being able to 0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:44.200 see stitch. It's like, come on, crazy, we need to 0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:50.480 be better. They meet, They meet finally Joanna calls and this, 0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:53.239 this feels like the scene we were waiting for. We 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.040 knew it was going to happen. What did you What 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:56.360 did you like about it? What didn't you like? 0:48:57.520 --> 0:48:57.719 When? 0:48:57.960 --> 0:48:59.880 So they at the rest of the restaurant get the restaurant. 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:00.560 I liked it. 0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:03.160 I liked I liked how it started. They were very friendly, 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:06.480 and I thought that is that is true of how 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:08.200 you would kind of be if you hadn't seen someone 0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:09.880 for fifteen months that you were very close with and 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.279 you shared a child like and they were both kind 0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:15.719 of unexpected. They were kind of like not sure of 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:18.279 what was going to happen. At least Hoffman especially. I 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:19.560 feel like he was more excited. 0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:21.440 I feel like his mind was open to what could 0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:25.120 potentially hold to the point where it's just her coming back, yes, 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:28.520 And the way she was like quite excited and felt 0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:30.520 open as well. When she sat in that You're like, oh, 0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:34.040 maybe it's going to be a reconciliation. But then her, 0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:37.399 I mean, she's so brilliant in this sea and she's like, oh, 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:40.040 I had some I had stuff planned I wanted to say, 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:43.640 And it slowly becomes apparent that she is there to 0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:46.279 say the worst thing possible like that he could ever 0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:48.800 hear like truly, She's like, I'm here to take Billy. 0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:52.440 I want custody, And it's like the exact It's like 0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:53.759 a dagger in his heart. 0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:57.440 He's finally reconciled with becoming a parent and like doing, 0:49:57.600 --> 0:50:00.560 and he's okay with the domestic duties, and he's it's 0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:03.120 his life. And then this is just the biggest curve 0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:03.759 bull you could throw. 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:06.000 It's like it's like a coming of age film in 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:08.399 a way, but it doesn't halfman coming of age. He's 0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:11.720 learning how to parent. They are such they're so tight. 0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:15.840 It's like when Meryl Streek comes back. This isn't a 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:19.799 basketball analogy. It'd be like if Kyrie Irving said next year, 0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:23.279 I'm going back to Boston and Boston be like, no, 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:27.080 but we're good now. Actually know Fingerscus we won the championship. 0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:28.600 What he do? 0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:30.919 We don't know what? Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Let's 0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:34.080 have a listen to that. See Meryl Streep doesn't Hoffman. 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:35.640 Don't try to bully me. 0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:38.920 I'm not getting defensive. Who will gone to the house fifteen? 0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:39.879 I don't care. 0:50:39.960 --> 0:50:41.520 I am still his mother. 0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:41.919 Yes. 0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:44.080 From three thousand miles away, and just because you've sent 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:46.359 a few pulse codes, it gives you the right to. 0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:46.960 Come back here. 0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:48.520 Never stop wanting him. 0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:50.200 What makes you so sure he wants you? 0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:52.600 What makes you so sure he doesn't want me? 0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:56.000 Okay, look we're going to sit here in Bactis, back 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:57.920 and forth like it worst for eight years. Makes it's 0:50:57.960 --> 0:50:58.960 like all times. 0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:00.960 Well, you can't deny met, tell me about what I 0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:03.480 can or cannot do. 0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:06.360 Don't talk to me that way. I don't want to 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:06.640 get out. 0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:08.160 You're going to have to do it. You're going to 0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:09.200 have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. 0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:10.359 I'm very sorry about this. 0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:12.120 You can just do what you have to do. 0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:19.560 So another fun fact that glass smash was improvised and 0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:22.240 Meryl Strep had no idea it was going to happen. 0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:23.920 It was a good it caught my eye the glass 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:27.640 because from it was the quickest backhand like glass smack 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:29.719 I've ever seen. I was like, it did seem like 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:30.600 it was instinctive. 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:33.799 Yeah, And so he told the cinematographer I think maybe 0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:36.360 the director you as well, So that he was he 0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.320 was at the table and the cinematographer was like this, 0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:40.919 like course, this like moving his hand lettle be close 0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:42.840 a little bit, so he's telling you where to place 0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:46.799 it so you wouldn't hit Meryl Streep. What I've noticed, 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:48.959 which i've actually and I've watched a few people talk about, 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:51.959 including Meryl Streep and and and Dustin Hoffman talk about 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:56.080 this scene. But one thing that nobody's mentioned. I'm surprised 0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:58.359 Hoffman doesn't mention it because he moves to glass at 0:51:58.360 --> 0:52:00.719 one point, like when he got decides I'm not here that. 0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:03.120 Yeah, he's all of a sudden not a celebratory. 0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:05.719 He's quite shaky though as well in the whole thing 0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:06.960 with his hands moving around. 0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:09.560 Yeah, So he moves a glass away almost towards towards 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:11.440 meew Street with the center of the table, and then 0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:13.840 he kind of about a beat later, he takes it 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:17.000 back and places it closer to him, closer to the edge. 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:20.240 And I can only assume it's actually it's actually Dustin 0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:23.120 Hoffmann as opposed to Ted realizing either glass needs actually 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:23.480 be over here. 0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:25.319 Oh totally, yeah, it's I'm about to do. 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:27.320 It's like when you're doing stand up and you're forgotten 0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:29.000 the next bit, and then you're doing the bit and 0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:30.680 you're like trying to think about how you can link 0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:33.520 to whatever. Yeah, he would have been doing the scene 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:35.320 and being like, oh shit, I need to smash that glass. 0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:41.120 Yeah back, So like I do, remains in character. And 0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:46.400 she has been so generous with talking about this, Like 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:49.080 she doesn't deny there was some stuff that she did 0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:49.759 not appreciate. 0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:52.759 Yeah, right, so I haven't seen anything about this extra 0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:53.680 stuff about the film. 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.880 But what she says is, I've got no interest in 0:52:56.960 --> 0:53:01.040 shaming somebody who's matured the has gone on their own 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:06.520 journey totally, you know, and like you know, it's Mel Streep, 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.680 you know, if you if you know, without going down 0:53:09.680 --> 0:53:11.520 to cancel culture of the route, but Mel show is 0:53:11.560 --> 0:53:16.920 a very mature outlook on you think, yeah. 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:19.120 Because you know, it was quite shocking. It's it's a 0:53:19.200 --> 0:53:19.799 violent act. 0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:22.160 It really is, like you know, if you don't know 0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:25.120 they have glass shatter in a war right next to 0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:25.440 you and. 0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:28.279 Not like have I mean, you can see in his 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:30.800 psycho brain how it would have been, Like that's that'll 0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:33.280 create the realism that we need. Like her being shocked 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:35.760 about the guys shattering it's like, I'm. 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:36.759 Surprised that didn't come up. 0:53:37.440 --> 0:53:39.759 And maybe because it was who knows, Who knows how 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.560 they if they shot it chronologically or but I wonder 0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:43.720 you hope. 0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:47.399 It wasn't the best the slap then he doesn't. 0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:48.640 It's just gonna happen in every scene. 0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:51.359 Get a break, it hit something, because it's. 0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:55.840 The only time we see him really act down from memory, 0:53:57.239 --> 0:53:59.799 you know, in that kind of close environment kind of way. 0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:01.880 But I'm surprised in the way he didn't come up 0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:02.719 in court proceedings. 0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:06.120 Well, no, he does lose or that the glass. Yea, yeah, 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:09.560 you're totally right. He does get angry in the court proceedings, 0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:11.640 but that's it. Like when he smashed the glass. It 0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:13.919 did come It's like so out of character for him, 0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:16.719 because he does get angry a few times, but he 0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:18.840 seems so mature and hold it then for him to 0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:22.480 smash the glass, I guess it is actually quite you know, 0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:24.399 it helps his scene because I feel like it really 0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:26.439 just shows how height and the emotions are when people 0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:28.879 are talking about their kids and custody battles, Like how 0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:32.120 angry you can get and how devastating a blow what 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:32.880 she said. 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:33.239 Was to him. 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:35.640 But yeah, it is interesting, especially considering the other stuff 0:54:35.640 --> 0:54:37.600 that gets brought back up in the corp proceeding that 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:40.279 she wasn't like he smashed the glass in front like. 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:44.319 I would have been. Yeah, absolutely, And that's because it 0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:45.040 was improvised. 0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:49.439 Maybe when they you think they film the corp proceedings before, Yeah, 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.760 it explains why it wasn't if that's a scripted moment, 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:55.360 you know. Yeah, Ted smashes glass, you know, and walks out. 0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:57.839 Then I think when you're writing that, you're kind of thinking, well, 0:54:57.920 --> 0:55:00.280 this should actually yeah, yeah, yeah, it should pay a. 0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:01.880 Oh that's so interesting. 0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:01.959 To the point. 0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:05.319 And this is to the point where also like that's 0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:06.520 what a slap doesn't. 0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:08.920 It doesn't make sense, you know, like I think the 0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:10.560 glass does. 0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:13.240 Because I think the glass really works smashing. 0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:16.520 I think it's a month of feeling of being abandoned 0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:20.160 in a way, yeah, you know, and and then getting 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:20.719 the phone call. 0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:25.560 He's he's clearly there in a good mood. Everyone will 0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:26.400 have their own interpretation. 0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:30.160 My interpretation is that he thinks this is the potentially 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:31.799 getting the family back to I. 0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:33.960 Feel like it is as well. The way he comes 0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:36.560 in and like he's almost like talking like a little schoolboy, 0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:38.759 like he's very excited. He's like, good, does it hell? 0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:41.359 You know, and they're like both giggling. It feels that way, 0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:43.239 and it's really set up so for it to end 0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:47.120 that way with the glass smashing. It's like just zeroed 0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:48.919 a hundred, like just bottoming out. 0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:51.680 Yeah, and it's it's you know, comes up in this 0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:54.919 podcast a bit like in every scene really, I think 0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:58.960 McKeith talks about you should have, like if you have 0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:02.200 like a positive emotion going into a scene. So everyone's 0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:05.440 like if looking at it doesn't Hoffin's perspective, He's feeling 0:56:05.440 --> 0:56:07.239 positive at the end of this scene. By the end 0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:09.600 of that scene. It should always happen in every scene. 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:12.440 You want a negative you want a negative emotion, yeah, 0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:15.040 emotional energy, and this is like a prime example of that. 0:56:15.160 --> 0:56:17.160 Oh exactly. Yeah, it's so good. 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:22.080 Then we get to the court case we know it's coming, 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:23.919 or he goes to all the job stuff. 0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:25.200 He gets fired. 0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:26.960 It's so weird when he gets fired. 0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:33.560 Yeah, let's have a listen a ted getting fired. You 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:34.840 don't know how badly I feel. 0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:37.200 I've been getting a lot of pressure from the guys 0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:38.920 upstairs and there wasn't anything else I could do. 0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:41.640 Listen. I thought about this a lot, and it's really better. 0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:42.040 This way. 0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:43.760 I mean, if I was to take away your stripes, 0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:45.640 if I was to put you on some schlock account, 0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:46.279 you'd hate it. 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:48.320 You'd hate me for doing it to you. 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:51.120 This way, it's a clean break. And believe me, that's 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:51.640 the best thing. 0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:54.480 You know that my wife is just finding me from custody. 0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:57.680 You know that we're going to court. Do you know 0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:00.239 what my chances are? I'm not if I one of 0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:01.560 a job. Now. 0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:03.200 Look, I understand that you're said. 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:05.000 I mean, I'm God sakes, I don't want to beg 0:57:05.080 --> 0:57:06.320 I'm asking you please. 0:57:06.080 --> 0:57:06.680 As a friend. 0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:10.320 Huh, ted I'm asking you. 0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:13.279 You're an extremely bright guy. You really are. You gonna 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:15.200 hell up a talent. You're gonna be okay, You're gonna 0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:18.720 land on your feet. You're gonna survive, Teddy. 0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:23.080 Look, I mean, maybe a little shorter cash, no. 0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:25.160 Big worry about paying us back. 0:57:26.640 --> 0:57:30.520 Shame on you. 0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:33.000 Again, handling himself with dignity. 0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:38.240 He did, yeah, smastically. And there's a lot of glasses 0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:40.400 on the table and that Yeah, they're all drink red wine. 0:57:40.400 --> 0:57:42.320 There's water glasses. He had the opportunity. 0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:45.440 It's also like he storms out at the end of 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:47.560 that scene, and I was thinking about it because I've 0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:51.520 never been fired like face to face, which would be 0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:53.600 I'm sure it's a hell of an experience. But he 0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:55.400 doesn't offer to pick up the tab or in any 0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:58.400 way be like, so should we split this? He gets 0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:01.320 stormed out, which would kind of feel so powerful to do. 0:58:01.360 --> 0:58:03.560 It would be a great comedic moment though if the 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:06.240 boss said as doesn't Hoffe was walking out ted. It 0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:07.920 turns around, should we split this? 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:11.240 Do you want to try? I can pick it up 0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:14.680 if you transfer me, we'll just item you had to. 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:21.920 Because the scene starts with him saying about this funny 0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:24.120 moment and how cute is and he said, if you 0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:26.640 put on weight, that's gone to your noose, and and 0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:28.360 the boss is not is this not. 0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:30.680 Well, I think that's it's the previous scene. It just 0:58:30.800 --> 0:58:33.480 is like and we're just going down, just ending in 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:34.479 another low point. 0:58:34.560 --> 0:58:38.640 Absolutely, and yeah, the boss, this idea of the boss 0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:38.960 is going. 0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:39.880 You hate it. 0:58:40.000 --> 0:58:41.400 You know I'm doing you a favor. You hate it 0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:44.160 so well, No, because I'm getting a divorce, I need 0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:46.400 a job. So if you need to put me into 0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:49.280 it into another area, I'm happy to do that. Yeah, 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:52.360 that was one of the things, and it works. It 0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:54.280 doesn't disrupt the movie. But that was one of the 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:57.560 things if when I think about it, it's like, this 0:58:57.600 --> 0:58:59.520 could have been worked out potentially. 0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:01.280 I think think now it would have been worked out. 0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:02.760 I mean, it's hard, a lot hard to de fire 0:59:02.800 --> 0:59:05.280 someone in twenty twenty two, especially in a big organization. 0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:08.600 You get repositioned and you know there's mediation and there's 0:59:08.640 --> 0:59:11.120 an HR. You don't just get taken the lunch and 0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:13.920 they're like, I'm not enjoying you spending more time with 0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:18.640 your sons. So you're like, it's crazy just to fire 0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:21.880 him without any reason except being like, I'm not liking 0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:26.520 your current vibe. Really, but anyway, Yeah, it did it 0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:28.280 kind of I guess needed to happen for the film. 0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:30.280 It was like, yeah, and then it does help. It 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:31.840 does come back because he had to take a lower 0:59:31.880 --> 0:59:32.400 paying job. 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:35.040 Yes, so it helps the court. And there's that courtroom 0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:39.000 line where he says, you're the only person taking a 0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:44.080 climbing the ladder, climbing the ladder taking a pay cut cut. Yeah, yeah, 0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:47.919 let's go to the court case. There's some fine work 0:59:47.960 --> 0:59:52.800 going on. So Meryl Streep stood in just the best. 0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:54.840 She's the best, she's great. Do you think she's the 0:59:54.880 --> 0:59:57.840 greatest actor about like you know, of our lifetime. 0:59:57.920 --> 0:59:59.920 Well, not having seen her in this, like obviously I 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:01.080 I thought it was great, but then I was like 1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:04.280 blown away by that because she's not in it as 1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:06.240 much as Dustin Hoffmann. He's kind of the same, and 1:00:06.280 --> 1:00:09.560 he's brilliant in this as well, but it's like every 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:12.280 scene she is in, even with him, she dominates that. 1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:15.280 It's like you can't look away, and it's like the 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:20.080 range she can show emotion is like maybe unlike anyone else, 1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:23.320 it's like you feel it, you feel it more. It's 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:27.240 like cutting the way she can kind of display something 1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:29.560 that you've somehow felt that didn't even you didn't even 1:00:29.560 --> 1:00:30.760 know you'd like felt. 1:00:30.880 --> 1:00:35.840 Yeah, And the way she releases words in it from 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:38.360 her mouth, she the pausing. 1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:40.800 That's a great way to describe it, the release, because 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:43.040 that's what it is. Like I've done a bit of acting, 1:00:43.080 --> 1:00:44.960 not as much as you, and I'm horrific at it. 1:00:45.000 --> 1:00:48.600 But it's like the decisions you have to make about 1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:51.160 how you want to save something. You think you just 1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:53.280 say it, you'd be like, oh, I'm leaving you, but 1:00:53.600 --> 1:00:56.440 there's like so much you have to kind of consider 1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:59.240 and yeah, you're right. The release of the words is 1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:01.640 is and the way she other is beautiful and on 1:01:01.800 --> 1:01:02.640 point every time. 1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:06.280 Well, that restaurant scene when she doesn't have and he's waiting, yeah, 1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:08.520 you know, it's probably the best example of he's waiting 1:01:08.560 --> 1:01:11.640 for her to say I'm coming back and she said 1:01:11.720 --> 1:01:17.120 I want my son back. Yeah, you know, like, oh, 1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:20.520 it wasn't the words, it was the fucking gaps between 1:01:20.560 --> 1:01:21.000 the words. 1:01:22.520 --> 1:01:26.720 So she she believed, so take any mind. 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:30.640 Kramer Versus Kramer is directed by a man, written by 1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:34.480 a man, based on a novel by a man. Fella 1:01:34.880 --> 1:01:39.440 male producers, a male. 1:01:38.160 --> 1:01:40.080 And two men discussing it right now and two men 1:01:40.120 --> 1:01:40.600 discussing it. 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:44.560 We cannot get away from it. So Meryl Street believed 1:01:44.680 --> 1:01:48.040 that Joanna was the villain in this piece of the 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:52.360 weight was written. So she she kind of stepped and 1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:55.080 in particular in this court scene, she stepped in and said, 1:01:55.480 --> 1:02:00.840 I her thing was, the audience doesn't really get to 1:02:00.960 --> 1:02:05.200 hear from Joanna in her own words, why she why 1:02:05.280 --> 1:02:10.240 she left. She's just kind of villainized and so and 1:02:10.240 --> 1:02:14.360 they all had a meeting, her Benton and Dustin Hoffman, 1:02:14.760 --> 1:02:16.960 and she put her case forward and Robert Benton said 1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:18.600 it doesn't oft't had a slightly different kind of. 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:18.960 Take on it. 1:02:19.040 --> 1:02:19.720 I can't imagine. 1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:25.160 Yeah, thankfully there's no glass and there's not another person 1:02:25.200 --> 1:02:28.640 in the room. So they all went off and wrote 1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:30.760 their own monologue for this song. 1:02:31.160 --> 1:02:32.720 Really that's great. 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:34.040 And Street thankfully won. 1:02:34.480 --> 1:02:36.800 So what we hear and let's have a listen to 1:02:36.840 --> 1:02:44.320 her Meryl Streep's court room in the in the in the. 1:02:43.680 --> 1:02:45.920 I guess the witness box. She's on the stairs, on 1:02:45.920 --> 1:02:47.240 the stand's whatever. 1:02:48.160 --> 1:02:49.200 That's probably not the stair. 1:02:49.240 --> 1:02:51.200 That's probably the stand. I think. I think the stand. 1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:52.000 We'll call it a stand. 1:02:52.040 --> 1:02:57.120 Well, the stand. And then this was written by Meryl Street. 1:02:57.880 --> 1:03:02.120 I'm not saying he doesn't need his father, but I 1:03:02.200 --> 1:03:07.400 really believe he needs me more. I was his mummy 1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:13.560 for five and a half years, and Ted took over 1:03:13.640 --> 1:03:21.840 that role for eighteen months. But I don't know how 1:03:21.840 --> 1:03:24.240 anybody can possibly believe that I have less of a 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:28.960 steak in mothering that little boy than mister Kramer does. 1:03:33.360 --> 1:03:34.040 I'm his mother. 1:03:37.400 --> 1:03:40.680 I'm his mother so good. 1:03:40.960 --> 1:03:42.880 So yeah, and it's not flowery like she could have 1:03:42.920 --> 1:03:45.320 gone away. Well, I would love to kind of read 1:03:45.440 --> 1:03:48.880 what happened, came up with it could have been so flowering, 1:03:48.960 --> 1:03:52.000 over the top, hawkish, but she just keeps it. 1:03:52.000 --> 1:03:52.920 It's so real. 1:03:53.360 --> 1:03:56.480 It's so real. It's just actually the emotion coming out 1:03:56.560 --> 1:03:58.000 being like whatever you want to say. 1:03:58.000 --> 1:03:59.080 It's like, this is my case. 1:03:59.160 --> 1:04:00.680 I'm his mother of this kid. 1:04:01.320 --> 1:04:03.400 And what's so good about the whole film And we've 1:04:03.400 --> 1:04:05.720 mentioned a couple of times, but it's worth repeating during 1:04:05.760 --> 1:04:11.280 this court case is that they're both you feel for 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:13.680 both of them. It's a horrible situation. I've never been 1:04:13.680 --> 1:04:15.240 through a divorce. My parents are still together. 1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:22.880 Must be nice. Oh earlier you were like, I got 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:23.640 over rolls. 1:04:24.400 --> 1:04:28.720 For forty five minutes, you're gonna whisper my dad's name 1:04:28.720 --> 1:04:29.120 in my ear? 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:43.240 But yeah, so it I I I lost my train 1:04:43.280 --> 1:04:43.600 of thought. 1:04:45.000 --> 1:04:46.600 You've never been through a divorce, but to see it 1:04:46.640 --> 1:04:47.240 play out. 1:04:47.240 --> 1:04:50.600 Yeah, the sat play out like it's it's painful. I remember, 1:04:50.760 --> 1:04:53.520 you know, I'm sure he won't mind me saying, like 1:04:53.560 --> 1:04:56.040 a friend, you know, Lawrence Mooney, he said to me 1:04:56.280 --> 1:04:59.400 he'd been through it, and he said ours was pretty, 1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:00.600 you know, pretty amicable. 1:05:00.840 --> 1:05:05.560 You know, but even when the amicable circumstances, it's fucking awful, 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:06.640 it's so painful. 1:05:06.960 --> 1:05:08.880 Well, that's the thing, and this is why, I mean, 1:05:08.920 --> 1:05:10.560 they don't seem to hate each other. And I think 1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:14.240 that audio you just played, there's a series of I mean, 1:05:14.280 --> 1:05:16.320 the first half of that speech, she says something and 1:05:16.760 --> 1:05:19.600 Dustin Hoffman Mount's mouth something back to her on the 1:05:19.680 --> 1:05:22.480 stand and says, yeah, I can't remember what, but I 1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:23.840 think it says it's not your fault. 1:05:23.920 --> 1:05:24.920 I think I think that. 1:05:25.040 --> 1:05:27.880 I think that happens when she's been cross examined and 1:05:27.920 --> 1:05:30.520 she's been thrilled and they're like, you know, are you 1:05:30.560 --> 1:05:31.160 a bad mother? 1:05:31.400 --> 1:05:35.320 Yeah? And he's like, you know, saying no, yeah, you're not. 1:05:35.800 --> 1:05:40.800 And that that the fact that I handle themselves with 1:05:40.840 --> 1:05:43.880 so much dignity, and the fact that you can absolutely 1:05:43.960 --> 1:05:48.000 see both sides, both points of view, is what makes 1:05:48.040 --> 1:05:52.320 this movie, I think timeless, and I imagine why it 1:05:52.360 --> 1:05:53.240 was the highest grossing film. 1:05:53.520 --> 1:05:54.160 Yeah, exactly. 1:05:54.240 --> 1:05:57.400 And the whole thing about the villain, about Meryl Streep's 1:05:57.480 --> 1:05:59.800 character being played at the villain, it's like, I don't 1:05:59.800 --> 1:06:02.000 think definitely in the first half you could make the 1:06:02.080 --> 1:06:04.720 argument because she's so absent, and she needs to be absent, 1:06:04.760 --> 1:06:07.000 because that's how you create the realism. But it's like, 1:06:07.280 --> 1:06:08.920 you know, you could argue towards the end that she's 1:06:08.960 --> 1:06:10.960 actually the hero of the film. 1:06:11.040 --> 1:06:13.959 Yeah, well absolutely yeah, And we'll get to that very soon, 1:06:14.200 --> 1:06:17.960 because let's have listened to also Ted on the Stand, 1:06:17.960 --> 1:06:19.160 one of the original Ted Talks. 1:06:21.040 --> 1:06:25.439 Yes, that's why you got all right, Thanks God, that's good. 1:06:26.440 --> 1:06:29.400 I'm out of here. Well done. Let's have listened to 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:30.200 Ted on the Stand. 1:06:32.000 --> 1:06:33.520 You know, I have a lot of time think about 1:06:33.560 --> 1:06:35.280 what does it make somebody a good parent? You know. 1:06:35.360 --> 1:06:37.160 It has to do with constancy. It has to do 1:06:37.280 --> 1:06:39.560 with with with patience. It has to do with listening 1:06:39.560 --> 1:06:41.120 to him, has to do with pretending to listen to 1:06:41.200 --> 1:06:43.600 him when you can't even listen anymore. It has to 1:06:43.600 --> 1:06:46.920 deal with love, like like like she was saying, and 1:06:46.960 --> 1:06:48.560 I don't know where it's written, it says that a 1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:51.320 woman has has a corner on that market, that a 1:06:51.320 --> 1:06:53.400 man has any less of those emotions than than a 1:06:53.440 --> 1:06:56.640 woman does. Billy has a home with me. I made 1:06:56.640 --> 1:06:59.160 it the best I could. It's not perfect. I'm not 1:06:59.200 --> 1:07:02.880 a perfect parent. Sometimes I don't have enough patience and 1:07:02.920 --> 1:07:06.000 I forget that he's a it's a little kid. 1:07:06.560 --> 1:07:07.120 But I'm there. 1:07:09.520 --> 1:07:11.240 I get up in the morning, and then we eat 1:07:11.280 --> 1:07:13.200 breakfast and he talks to me, and then we go 1:07:13.280 --> 1:07:16.240 to school, and at night we have dinner together and 1:07:16.440 --> 1:07:21.240 we talked inn and I read to him, and. 1:07:19.760 --> 1:07:22.520 We built a life together and we love each other. 1:07:25.120 --> 1:07:27.320 I mean, it's sold. It's great. Did he write that 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:30.520 one as well? 1:07:30.560 --> 1:07:33.520 But also I mean he may have because he, uh, 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:37.480 as I mentioned earlier, contributed to the scripts basically his 1:07:37.520 --> 1:07:43.520 own experiences, And I feel I feel like he's lawyer 1:07:43.560 --> 1:07:45.200 let him down a little bit, or maybe the court 1:07:45.280 --> 1:07:49.160 let him down. Because the reason Billy ends up, we'll 1:07:49.240 --> 1:07:52.200 joining a wins custody of Billy really comes down to 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:52.920 that playground. 1:07:54.120 --> 1:07:58.720 That's how you made the feel and so alsome. But 1:07:58.760 --> 1:08:02.880 also not is that the fact that he lost his 1:08:02.960 --> 1:08:04.800 job recently? Yes, and he starts turning. 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:07.520 I also looked up how much because they were like 1:08:07.720 --> 1:08:08.680 thirty grand or something. 1:08:08.720 --> 1:08:11.560 They're early Yeah, so he was on about twenty grand 1:08:12.680 --> 1:08:16.800 apparently that's about one hundred and fifty seven thousand dollars today. 1:08:16.960 --> 1:08:17.360 That's right. 1:08:17.400 --> 1:08:18.920 I mean, they're doing it all right, they're doing all right. 1:08:19.000 --> 1:08:21.679 Yeah, it's not like they're maybe they should get back together. 1:08:21.720 --> 1:08:24.720 Back together double double that income three hundred grand a year, 1:08:24.760 --> 1:08:26.519 you could maybe buy a house in Sydney. 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:28.360 How much will that apartment in New Y'll be worth? Now? 1:08:28.360 --> 1:08:31.599 Oh yeah, tell that Cramer's get your shit. 1:08:31.479 --> 1:08:32.719 Together, Come on, Cramer. 1:08:34.040 --> 1:08:37.439 But I feel like, like, surely that's an easy cross 1:08:37.439 --> 1:08:42.280 examine the idea that he's on a lower paying wage. Now, yes, 1:08:43.240 --> 1:08:45.840 only by about three thousand dollars, which is probably ninety 1:08:45.840 --> 1:08:46.240 thousand dollars. 1:08:46.280 --> 1:08:47.920 That yeah, it's two million. 1:08:47.640 --> 1:08:49.360 Dollars, two million dollars. 1:08:50.320 --> 1:08:52.920 But surely to make the argument is a simple argument 1:08:52.960 --> 1:08:55.439 to make he took a lower wage to look after 1:08:55.479 --> 1:08:55.800 his son. 1:08:55.880 --> 1:08:57.280 Well, that's what I slammed dunking court. 1:08:57.360 --> 1:08:59.360 Yeah, instead they flipped that being like you're a bad 1:08:59.400 --> 1:09:02.680 parent because you and he didn't even rebuttle with being like, no, 1:09:02.720 --> 1:09:03.439 I got to be. 1:09:03.479 --> 1:09:06.040 Kicking the lawyer in machines. Gun get up up. 1:09:05.960 --> 1:09:07.800 There and tell them that I did it because I'm 1:09:07.800 --> 1:09:11.080 a better parent. Yeah, I think that the progressiveness thing. 1:09:11.560 --> 1:09:13.320 I just thought about this and then coming through listening 1:09:13.360 --> 1:09:16.000 back to that audio, it's like him using the point 1:09:16.160 --> 1:09:17.519 is like, I don't know where it says that a 1:09:17.560 --> 1:09:20.760 man can't be as good a parent as like, I mean, 1:09:20.880 --> 1:09:22.640 you know in this world we live in now of 1:09:22.720 --> 1:09:24.439 like gender being more of a concept and on a 1:09:24.479 --> 1:09:27.040 sliding scale or whatever, it is so ahead of its 1:09:27.040 --> 1:09:29.200 time to be now talking about why does gender play 1:09:29.240 --> 1:09:32.519 this right? Obviously there's like maternal aspects that you know, 1:09:32.600 --> 1:09:36.000 mothers have with children, like biological factors, but it is 1:09:36.040 --> 1:09:39.160 so it's so relevant now being like gender doesn't matter. 1:09:39.200 --> 1:09:42.280 It's about love and like who loves their child and 1:09:42.320 --> 1:09:45.639 who's bringing them up in a better home. And it's yeah, 1:09:45.680 --> 1:09:48.400 it's really like it's you could watch this like, I 1:09:48.439 --> 1:09:52.080 mean I watched it yesterday and it's like absolutely at 1:09:52.080 --> 1:09:53.920 home right now in twenty twenty two. 1:09:54.120 --> 1:09:58.599 Yeah, and the scene where we played the first see 1:09:58.640 --> 1:10:01.479 we played the ice cream scene a little ship by 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:04.679 the way, I mean, I love that equitum a little 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:06.120 shit because I was just one of my kids. 1:10:06.160 --> 1:10:06.600 Of course, I. 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:10.479 Remember being in we went traveling and we went the 1:10:10.520 --> 1:10:14.920 crack out in Poland. And my oldest kid, who's I 1:10:15.000 --> 1:10:17.800 must say, brilliant, he's nineteen hour and a brilliant kid 1:10:17.800 --> 1:10:20.599 has given us so little trouble over the years, like Touchwood, 1:10:22.120 --> 1:10:25.120 but he was just in a mood like hell, you 1:10:25.400 --> 1:10:27.760 just and you know you're in cafes, and you're so 1:10:27.920 --> 1:10:29.479 nervous when you go to a cafe when you got 1:10:29.520 --> 1:10:31.920 kids and spilling stuff, and you feel like this, let's 1:10:31.920 --> 1:10:34.760 just get in it out. We're bothering everybody. Let's just 1:10:34.800 --> 1:10:35.280 get in and out. 1:10:35.320 --> 1:10:36.680 I love that you feel that way, because that's how 1:10:36.720 --> 1:10:39.439 I feel when people bring them. Well, I'm like, can 1:10:39.479 --> 1:10:42.000 you not burden us all in this tiny cafe with 1:10:42.040 --> 1:10:43.160 your life choices? 1:10:44.200 --> 1:10:49.479 Well, you know what I encourage. I encourage people to 1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:52.040 not feel flustered. I was wrong to feel flustered if 1:10:52.080 --> 1:10:54.040 I had kids. Now with my life experience, now I'd 1:10:54.080 --> 1:10:55.760 go in and the fucking be a boss about it, 1:10:55.840 --> 1:10:57.519 you know what. You know what, Yeah, I've got a 1:10:57.560 --> 1:11:00.400 kid and he's carrying on airplanes. So what you've got 1:11:00.400 --> 1:11:01.760 noise canceling headphones? Put them on. 1:11:01.920 --> 1:11:04.479 Yeah, but I mean it's just life. Yeah, just exactly. 1:11:04.800 --> 1:11:09.640 So I you are the most annoing guys, embrace my 1:11:09.760 --> 1:11:12.360 screaming child. It's your problem, not mine. 1:11:12.520 --> 1:11:15.040 But that's not how I was, by the way, But 1:11:15.080 --> 1:11:18.160 now my kids are actually teenagers that they generally aren't 1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:21.519 pissing people off in the small adults in the restaurant. 1:11:21.840 --> 1:11:23.720 So it was in a bit of a moon that day, 1:11:23.760 --> 1:11:25.080 and we tried everything. 1:11:25.120 --> 1:11:27.080 We tried everything, you know, from you know, kind of 1:11:27.120 --> 1:11:29.639 some stern words, you know, across the table, to giving 1:11:29.680 --> 1:11:31.200 him the eye. I call it the death grip, you 1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:34.080 know where you get their hands smack anymore. You just 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:36.280 hold their hand, give a little twist and get your 1:11:36.320 --> 1:11:39.439 thumb and it's like buried into It's like, you know, 1:11:39.479 --> 1:11:41.639 and the people at the table next public. 1:11:41.640 --> 1:11:42.719 That's fine because. 1:11:42.479 --> 1:11:43.880 People at the next table, they think, look at those 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:45.519 why why don't we hold hands at the table like 1:11:45.560 --> 1:11:46.559 the family next to us. 1:11:47.360 --> 1:11:50.519 So just upgrade to a Chinese burden China. 1:11:51.560 --> 1:11:52.639 Chinese burst still happened. 1:11:52.840 --> 1:11:54.439 I don't know, but they were big when I was Yeah, 1:11:54.920 --> 1:11:56.439 I mean I never got one from a parent. 1:11:56.560 --> 1:12:00.320 But when you start getting hair in your arms, oh really, 1:12:00.479 --> 1:12:02.560 no good. So I got to the point where I 1:12:02.600 --> 1:12:05.719 had taken down an alleyway in crack out the cobble stone, 1:12:05.760 --> 1:12:08.160 and they said, mate, you are giving me the fucking ships. 1:12:08.400 --> 1:12:11.520 You gotta fucking stop it. You're acting like a little ass. 1:12:11.760 --> 1:12:14.400 That's good. And he and I may have only dropped 1:12:14.400 --> 1:12:17.320 the one F bomb, but look on his face a shot, 1:12:17.360 --> 1:12:17.960 look at his face. 1:12:18.000 --> 1:12:20.240 If it worked, you do you swear in front of 1:12:20.360 --> 1:12:21.840 well when they were younger, did you swear in front 1:12:21.840 --> 1:12:22.280 of the No? 1:12:22.280 --> 1:12:26.639 No, not a whole bunch. So this was quite shocking, 1:12:26.920 --> 1:12:27.960 yeah to them. 1:12:28.120 --> 1:12:31.000 But there certainly been times with myself and my wife 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:33.320 had like you know, called them like a little ship 1:12:33.400 --> 1:12:34.320 or anything like that where. 1:12:34.200 --> 1:12:38.040 We've been So at the end of our tether a 1:12:38.160 --> 1:12:39.120 little ship, I came. 1:12:39.439 --> 1:12:42.240 I was a little ship as well. It's like whatever 1:12:42.280 --> 1:12:43.559 I got, I deserved, Like. 1:12:43.680 --> 1:12:46.960 Yeah, I had no issue with smacking, like like like 1:12:47.160 --> 1:12:50.479 in my being smacked as a kid, like there's no trauma. 1:12:50.560 --> 1:12:53.280 Oh yeah, I got associated with Wooden't spoon it's broken 1:12:53.439 --> 1:12:55.320 on my well. 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:58.320 I I have made about this before. I'm not sure 1:12:58.320 --> 1:12:59.160 about it on this podcast. 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:02.439 But when we had Lean being our oldest, he got eats 1:13:02.439 --> 1:13:05.920 some smacks, you know, like and then we stopped. He 1:13:06.040 --> 1:13:09.040 got to point, you know, when he was seventeen eighteen. No, 1:13:09.760 --> 1:13:11.400 but we stopped because we're like, this doesn't it's not 1:13:11.439 --> 1:13:12.599 working and it makes you feel bad. 1:13:12.720 --> 1:13:14.599 And that's that's why I love about that scene. 1:13:14.840 --> 1:13:17.040 He says he calls him a little ship, slams the door, 1:13:17.040 --> 1:13:18.400 he goes any fact that you know what you do 1:13:18.479 --> 1:13:20.800 when you're a parent and you do that, you fucking 1:13:20.840 --> 1:13:24.240 go to another room and you immediately feel bad. So 1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:28.120 that's so true. And and that's why I stopped. I thought, 1:13:28.160 --> 1:13:30.120 this is not making I don't feel any better. There's 1:13:30.120 --> 1:13:33.040 no release of energy in emotion. It makes it worse 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:35.360 for me. He's not learning, you know, he's not learning 1:13:35.360 --> 1:13:35.920 anything from it. 1:13:36.120 --> 1:13:37.160 He's just getting more annoyed. 1:13:37.200 --> 1:13:38.040 He's getting more annoyed. 1:13:38.200 --> 1:13:42.599 So and when it was older, like early kind of teenagers, 1:13:42.600 --> 1:13:45.679 I apologize for it. Oh really, yeah, I said, I said, 1:13:46.320 --> 1:13:47.840 you copt a couple of smacks. You know, it was 1:13:47.840 --> 1:13:52.360 always on the bum by the way, but once a 1:13:52.439 --> 1:13:53.680 day you. 1:13:53.640 --> 1:13:56.479 Just give him some boxing gloves. He had a let's 1:13:56.479 --> 1:13:57.599 go to let's go to work. 1:13:57.760 --> 1:14:00.519 It's where we work things out the hell your house 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:07.000 or garage. So and I said, you know, for some reason, 1:14:07.000 --> 1:14:08.439 smacking kind of came up. He was in the news 1:14:08.479 --> 1:14:09.160 or it was a movie. 1:14:09.160 --> 1:14:10.880 And I said, mate, you cut a couple of smacks, 1:14:10.920 --> 1:14:12.719 you know, on the bum where you do you remember? 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:15.680 He goes, oh, not really, and you're like, yeah, it 1:14:15.720 --> 1:14:19.760 didn't happen then, yeah, yeah, yeah, not in this house. 1:14:19.800 --> 1:14:23.439 It never did. Or like high fives yeah, like high 1:14:23.479 --> 1:14:30.880 fives to your bum, aggressive high fives and so andy. 1:14:31.439 --> 1:14:32.280 But he appreciated. 1:14:32.320 --> 1:14:34.840 I think I mentioned because yeah, these brothers never got 1:14:34.840 --> 1:14:37.320 smacked because you know, I stopped doing. 1:14:37.120 --> 1:14:38.760 It, but he was. They got off. 1:14:39.360 --> 1:14:46.200 Yeah, so yeah, Billy then has the choice and when 1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:48.760 he actually they go back in and they make up. 1:14:48.960 --> 1:14:50.720 Yeah, and they had that lovely time, which is again 1:14:50.920 --> 1:14:52.120 there's all these little really. 1:14:51.960 --> 1:14:54.920 Progressive comments on marriage, and I think it's in that 1:14:54.960 --> 1:15:00.160 scene he says something like I thought if I was happy, 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:03.360 she was happy. Yeah, And there's there's some stuff which 1:15:03.400 --> 1:15:05.960 is like really incredible. I think I'll be married twenty 1:15:06.000 --> 1:15:08.080 years next year. And I do get ask occasionally, like 1:15:08.160 --> 1:15:11.040 you know what sometimes in interviews it's not like friends 1:15:11.080 --> 1:15:14.040 kind of sourcing me out for it relationship advice, Pete, 1:15:14.040 --> 1:15:16.760 their relationship and when you do a seriously how to 1:15:16.760 --> 1:15:17.160 stay married? 1:15:17.160 --> 1:15:19.240 I could ask a lot about you know, you know 1:15:19.560 --> 1:15:20.559 that kind of stuff, Pete. 1:15:20.560 --> 1:15:21.320 What is your number one? 1:15:21.320 --> 1:15:23.360 Two? Well, well i'll tell you. I'll tell you sent 1:15:23.479 --> 1:15:28.280 on before you propose to you Argentina, your beauty. You 1:15:28.280 --> 1:15:30.240 can ever be on auto pilot, you know, like so 1:15:30.320 --> 1:15:34.120 you always have to engage in your marriage as soon 1:15:34.120 --> 1:15:36.080 as you kind of stop thinking of the other person, 1:15:36.280 --> 1:15:38.240 and then I might say there have been times that 1:15:38.520 --> 1:15:40.920 hasn't happened in my own marriage, but there haven't been 1:15:40.920 --> 1:15:41.640 the good times. You know. 1:15:41.920 --> 1:15:44.479 It's when you are engaging and thinking of the other person. 1:15:44.840 --> 1:15:47.639 Are they happy? Are they getting what they need out 1:15:47.640 --> 1:15:50.040 of this marriage? That your marriage is going to be 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:53.559 really strong, I think, And I think he has that 1:15:53.640 --> 1:15:55.960 realization in that scene where he kind of says, you know, 1:15:56.120 --> 1:15:59.160 I was happy, So I assume she was happy, and 1:16:00.120 --> 1:16:03.280 you know, he was having a great career and she 1:16:03.439 --> 1:16:06.759 actually hadn't really thought about this. She actually not getting 1:16:06.800 --> 1:16:09.599 what she needs or what she wants. Yeah, I don't 1:16:09.600 --> 1:16:11.719 think that's really Again, another progressive It's. 1:16:11.560 --> 1:16:14.000 Such a progressive thing because it is kind of like 1:16:14.200 --> 1:16:17.040 touching on what I guess was like the stereotypical relationship 1:16:17.040 --> 1:16:19.560 of the man goes to work and the woman's stay home. 1:16:19.439 --> 1:16:19.960 With the kid. 1:16:20.320 --> 1:16:23.559 But that is not what a living, breathing relationship is. 1:16:23.600 --> 1:16:23.920 It's not. 1:16:24.280 --> 1:16:26.960 I mean, that's also great advice that he's like in 1:16:27.000 --> 1:16:28.960 that monologue to be like I thought of I was happy, 1:16:29.240 --> 1:16:31.160 she would be happy. It's like everyone should take that. 1:16:31.240 --> 1:16:34.320 It's not about it's like you both have separate lives 1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:36.800 in a relationship, but you do have to have this 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:39.120 bit in the middle that coexists that you kind of 1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:42.200 feed into. And it's and it's more than being separate 1:16:42.240 --> 1:16:44.599 and both being happy. You know, there's so many things 1:16:44.640 --> 1:16:47.439 in a relationship that I'm still learning about and like, 1:16:47.520 --> 1:16:50.960 you know, like it's okay if someone changes in a 1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:53.240 because people changed, you know what I mean. And part 1:16:53.280 --> 1:16:56.719 of being in a relationship is seeing your partner changing 1:16:57.280 --> 1:16:59.840 and being okay with them, not being like, well, that's 1:16:59.880 --> 1:17:02.920 not the opinion you had when we got together. It's 1:17:02.920 --> 1:17:05.040 like being okay with the change and like living with 1:17:05.080 --> 1:17:08.040 it and growing with it. It's like this living, breathing 1:17:08.160 --> 1:17:11.000 thing you can't be too, you know, blindfolded the whole 1:17:11.000 --> 1:17:12.320 time to what you're doing. 1:17:12.680 --> 1:17:14.760 So basically this is you say to your girlfriend, you 1:17:14.800 --> 1:17:15.840 need to watch it. At the part of the game, 1:17:15.960 --> 1:17:16.599 just give it one more. 1:17:18.720 --> 1:17:21.719 Juels if you listen, get such a great movie. They 1:17:21.760 --> 1:17:23.439 all get killed at the end. You know you've got 1:17:23.479 --> 1:17:24.000 to watch it. 1:17:24.520 --> 1:17:26.200 So it comes then down. 1:17:26.040 --> 1:17:30.800 To uh uh, Joanna gets the rights and which you 1:17:30.800 --> 1:17:32.400 always feel that's going to happen, is going to happen, 1:17:32.800 --> 1:17:35.200 you know, and I'm not sure what the situation is 1:17:35.240 --> 1:17:38.360 in courts, these family courts these days, but it's always 1:17:38.400 --> 1:17:41.800 traditionally the mother's always had more power as far as 1:17:42.040 --> 1:17:47.880 custody goes. So it's not unexpected that Joanna ends up 1:17:47.880 --> 1:17:48.559 getting the rights. 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:50.479 And then Ted's going to challenge it. 1:17:50.760 --> 1:17:54.120 And he's going to spend as much money as needs 1:17:54.200 --> 1:17:56.320 be and then it's and then it comes down to 1:17:56.400 --> 1:17:58.840 would you put Billy on the stand, because that's what 1:17:58.880 --> 1:18:01.800 it's going to come down to. And when he decides, well, 1:18:01.960 --> 1:18:03.879 it's over, then yeah, totally, which. 1:18:03.680 --> 1:18:04.240 Is really cool. 1:18:04.320 --> 1:18:05.880 Yeah, I mean that's such a great thing to like. 1:18:05.920 --> 1:18:08.360 I mean, he will read out the letter to Billy 1:18:08.400 --> 1:18:11.800 that like, he will traumatize Billy to an extent, but 1:18:11.840 --> 1:18:12.880 that's where he draws a line. 1:18:12.960 --> 1:18:14.439 You can't put him on this. He can only the 1:18:14.479 --> 1:18:15.240 kid's head so much. 1:18:15.360 --> 1:18:18.160 Yeah, exactly, he's dropped him. He's read the letter out, 1:18:18.320 --> 1:18:19.639 but he's not going to put him on the stand. 1:18:19.760 --> 1:18:22.280 So you never had to make did you ever made? 1:18:22.520 --> 1:18:25.600 Because I like that we don't see Billy have to 1:18:25.640 --> 1:18:28.280 make that choice. He's eight years old. I can't because 1:18:28.280 --> 1:18:30.880 that would have been an emotional scene, so you know, like, yeah, 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:33.439 you can imagine the scene where Ted saying, who do 1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:34.040 you want to Yeah? 1:18:34.120 --> 1:18:35.600 Yeah, yeah, don't you want to be? 1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:38.439 Well, look, my experiences of divorce, Pete, is that, like, 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:40.360 you don't especial because I was young. I was no, 1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:44.200 I was probably like ten maybe okay old Billy. 1:18:44.360 --> 1:18:45.719 Older than Billy. Yeah, you're flushing. 1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:50.280 I was flushing and I wasn't falling a playground. 1:18:49.840 --> 1:18:50.920 Aquipment, that's for sure. 1:18:51.800 --> 1:18:55.800 But I have vague memories of it. But it's like 1:18:55.920 --> 1:18:58.240 it is all it's quite separate to you, unless like 1:18:58.280 --> 1:19:00.639 there's horrible things going on, like you know, best violence 1:19:00.720 --> 1:19:02.599 or something like that, but it was all very separate 1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:04.240 from me. And it's like and I feel I like 1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:06.519 that in this film as well, Yeah, that it is 1:19:06.600 --> 1:19:09.320 separate from Billy. Like obviously he knows his parents aren't 1:19:09.400 --> 1:19:12.479 together anymore, but it's not like he's not involved in 1:19:12.520 --> 1:19:15.640 this in fighting and he's not getting dragged into the 1:19:15.640 --> 1:19:18.599 courtroom or like you know, going for one side. He's 1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:20.680 just kind of a bystander, which I do think is 1:19:20.720 --> 1:19:25.920 maybe you know, a more accurate like perception of what 1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:27.760 a divorce kind of looks like for the kids. I'm 1:19:27.760 --> 1:19:30.960 only speaking from my like, yeah, what I went through. 1:19:31.000 --> 1:19:33.280 But I mean, and it wasn't traumatic at all. Like, 1:19:33.640 --> 1:19:35.760 but yeah, I think I like that that, you know, 1:19:35.880 --> 1:19:37.400 And he didn't want to put Billy on the stand, 1:19:37.640 --> 1:19:39.360 and Billy didn't have to make a choice. He didn't 1:19:39.400 --> 1:19:41.040 have to sit there. They weren't sitting down being like, 1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:42.479 we love you a lot, who do you want to 1:19:42.479 --> 1:19:45.040 live with? Because that's crazy to ask a kid to 1:19:45.120 --> 1:19:45.360 do that. 1:19:45.439 --> 1:19:47.439 Yeah, I think they make some really good choices in 1:19:47.439 --> 1:19:49.439 this movie where they could have really amped up the drama, 1:19:49.479 --> 1:19:50.240 but they didn't have to. 1:19:50.479 --> 1:19:51.800 They didn't at all. 1:19:51.840 --> 1:19:55.920 And it's a good lesson for any screenwriters. But so 1:19:56.040 --> 1:20:00.320 then the French toast scene play plays out, and it's 1:20:00.360 --> 1:20:03.320 fucking beautiful. This is what we call a callback in comedy. 1:20:03.320 --> 1:20:07.080 We would call it a callback absolutely and it works. 1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:10.680 So the mannicness of you know, the day one of 1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:14.400 their journey. Yes, and he's there's this little touches like 1:20:15.280 --> 1:20:18.200 at the start he's putting, he's dipping the bread in 1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:19.120 a cup. 1:20:19.120 --> 1:20:21.120 He's got the egg and the milk and break he's 1:20:21.120 --> 1:20:23.760 got to break the bread and now he's worked. You 1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:25.519 do it in the bowl, of course, you get a bowl, 1:20:25.720 --> 1:20:28.960 and that's how you make your friend's toast. And it's calm, 1:20:29.520 --> 1:20:33.280 it's serene, and it's it's it's a it's a beautiful scene. 1:20:33.400 --> 1:20:35.479 It's great, and it just you know, it shows just 1:20:35.520 --> 1:20:39.360 how far in the simplest way, it shows a full 1:20:39.439 --> 1:20:43.320 kind of progression and change and that it's like a 1:20:43.320 --> 1:20:46.600 new person and a new relationship and a comfort, comforting 1:20:46.680 --> 1:20:49.280 kind of message that things are okay. But they did 1:20:49.320 --> 1:20:52.240 it in such a simple, such a simple. 1:20:51.920 --> 1:20:54.200 Way, and the and the and the look on Billy's face, 1:20:54.840 --> 1:20:57.479 justin Henry, it's it's an incredible for me. 1:20:57.640 --> 1:20:59.120 If you watch it again, let's check out the look 1:20:59.120 --> 1:21:00.519 before it when they give him the harge. It's a 1:21:00.520 --> 1:21:03.320 look of like it's almost melancholy. It's like, yeah, I'm 1:21:03.680 --> 1:21:05.640 enjoying this moment, but I realized that this is the 1:21:05.680 --> 1:21:07.240 last time we're going to make French toast. 1:21:07.520 --> 1:21:10.000 That's like the that's the vibe. Melancholy is like the 1:21:10.080 --> 1:21:12.400 vibe of the whole film. Like I watch it and 1:21:12.439 --> 1:21:16.599 I feel that, like I don't feel sad in all 1:21:16.640 --> 1:21:19.439 the places, but I feel this will weight on me 1:21:19.520 --> 1:21:21.760 and I'm enjoying it, but it's this weight and that's 1:21:21.760 --> 1:21:24.080 like the underselling of the drama as well, like they 1:21:24.120 --> 1:21:27.240 don't beef up any scenes, and that almost makes it 1:21:27.360 --> 1:21:30.280 more melancholy because it's so real, because in real life 1:21:30.320 --> 1:21:33.080 you don't have the big dramatic kind of moments and 1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:35.880 fights and like everything is like overly produced. It's just 1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:38.320 real and what's happened. And I think that is why 1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:40.840 this is actually so dramatic and tugs on the heartstrings 1:21:40.840 --> 1:21:43.880 more and is more melancholy because it is so just 1:21:44.040 --> 1:21:45.240 real and undersold. 1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:46.920 And there's one last twist. 1:21:47.160 --> 1:21:52.439 When they're waiting for Joanna to arrive to take Billy home, 1:21:52.520 --> 1:21:56.400 they're packed, it gets a call and as Johanna danstairs, 1:21:56.439 --> 1:21:57.920 asking him to come down to the for you. 1:22:00.080 --> 1:22:09.759 What woke up this morning? I kept thinking about Billy 1:22:09.840 --> 1:22:12.920 and I was thinking about him waking up in his room. 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:17.000 And there's little clouds all around that I painted, and 1:22:17.040 --> 1:22:24.120 I thought I should have painted clouds downtown because you 1:22:24.200 --> 1:22:30.559 would think that he was waking up at home. I 1:22:30.600 --> 1:22:38.360 came here to take my son home, and I realized 1:22:38.360 --> 1:22:39.280 who already is home? 1:22:40.479 --> 1:22:47.360 Okay, lots of good stuff face, It's good to the 1:22:47.520 --> 1:22:52.200 all time breaks in absolute white hot form, and and 1:22:52.200 --> 1:22:53.280 then you have there's another. 1:22:53.160 --> 1:22:57.760 Little callback here is the elevator. Oh yeah, we see 1:22:57.760 --> 1:22:58.800 the elevator. 1:22:58.360 --> 1:23:01.639 In the first scene where they were She walks out 1:23:02.040 --> 1:23:04.200 and she says, I don't love you as the elevator 1:23:04.479 --> 1:23:07.600 closes on him, and this time. 1:23:08.920 --> 1:23:11.200 Meryl Streep says, Joanna says, how do I look. 1:23:11.240 --> 1:23:13.559 She's trying to getting the tears and adjusting her makeup 1:23:14.200 --> 1:23:15.160 and he says I think. 1:23:15.200 --> 1:23:17.040 He says, you look terrific. Yeah. 1:23:17.040 --> 1:23:18.920 He says something like, yeah, is it look terrific? 1:23:19.200 --> 1:23:22.840 You look terrific? Yeah, and then the elevator closes on Yeah. 1:23:22.880 --> 1:23:24.799 It's a great it's a great end to the film. 1:23:24.880 --> 1:23:26.120 Like it's because. 1:23:25.880 --> 1:23:28.559 I was wondering, how are they gonna stick this landing. 1:23:28.880 --> 1:23:31.160 Well, it's a hard thing to do, and it almost 1:23:31.200 --> 1:23:33.600 you know, makes everything completely you know, like it's like, 1:23:34.080 --> 1:23:35.000 what was it all worth? 1:23:35.240 --> 1:23:35.920 Do you know what I mean? 1:23:35.960 --> 1:23:38.639 But it shows that it's like for her to get 1:23:38.680 --> 1:23:40.439 to that position to be content, they had to go 1:23:40.439 --> 1:23:43.559 through all that kind of trauma and heartbreak and for 1:23:43.600 --> 1:23:46.120 her to get into the position the mindset where she 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:49.479 is okay for Billy to live with her dad, they 1:23:49.479 --> 1:23:50.439 had to go through all of that. 1:23:50.640 --> 1:23:53.519 Yeah, I do wonder what it does say what we're 1:23:53.600 --> 1:23:56.479 expected to take out of the fact that Johanna comes 1:23:56.479 --> 1:23:59.439 to this conclusion, like, is it saying I'm still not 1:23:59.560 --> 1:24:00.280 ready to. 1:24:00.880 --> 1:24:03.800 Well, no, I think it just shows. I think it 1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:06.400 shows that they are both I might be wrong here, 1:24:06.400 --> 1:24:09.439 but they both care about their son so much, and 1:24:09.479 --> 1:24:13.160 they both love their son, and they don't hate each other. Like, 1:24:13.240 --> 1:24:15.800 it's not like she has no vendetta against him, do 1:24:15.840 --> 1:24:16.960 you know what I mean? She just doesn't want to 1:24:16.960 --> 1:24:18.559 been a relationship with him, and she wants to see 1:24:18.560 --> 1:24:20.920 her son, and she's like, oh, that's the best place 1:24:20.920 --> 1:24:24.400 for him right now. It's like a very mature response. 1:24:24.560 --> 1:24:25.880 Yeah. I think that's a good reason. 1:24:25.920 --> 1:24:27.280 I think if it was twenty twenty two, she would 1:24:27.280 --> 1:24:31.920 have done that speech over text message though I realized 1:24:31.920 --> 1:24:34.320 he is home, so I'm going to leave him with you, 1:24:34.400 --> 1:24:36.120 Like it would have been a quick test being like, hey, 1:24:36.160 --> 1:24:36.840 let's forget about it. 1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:38.799 You hold onto him with an embarrassing emoji. 1:24:38.920 --> 1:24:40.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'd like the emerging with your hands 1:24:40.920 --> 1:24:43.719 over your eyes. I guess that court case was for nothing. 1:24:46.840 --> 1:24:50.200 Justin Henry goes on to big does a little bit 1:24:50.240 --> 1:24:53.360 of acting the only role that you may recognize. What 1:24:53.360 --> 1:24:55.840 did he end up going on to do acting here 1:24:55.840 --> 1:24:57.600 and there and then kind of like leave him. But 1:24:57.600 --> 1:25:02.400 he's in sixteen Candles, Molly World's younger brother in Jh's 1:25:02.880 --> 1:25:05.200 classic sixteen Candles, so you can see him there. 1:25:05.240 --> 1:25:07.360 But he's kind of tough for a child, you know, 1:25:07.400 --> 1:25:08.559 when you're it's like. 1:25:08.560 --> 1:25:11.200 And so good. He's like he's peaked, yeah in his 1:25:11.280 --> 1:25:11.800 first film. 1:25:11.880 --> 1:25:14.520 Yeah, and doesn't get to like get any of the benefits, 1:25:14.600 --> 1:25:16.519 like if you peak at twenty five, you're a movie star, 1:25:16.680 --> 1:25:18.840 you get to do all the cocaine people would to 1:25:18.840 --> 1:25:19.439 have sex with you. 1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:23.320 Apparently. Yeah, yeah, great, doesn't hop and took him under 1:25:23.320 --> 1:25:23.599 his wing. 1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:28.519 Imagine that going through a messy divorce and just hanging 1:25:28.560 --> 1:25:30.400 out with that year old coastart. 1:25:31.600 --> 1:25:31.840 Coke. 1:25:33.000 --> 1:25:34.759 This is how you, This is how your special glass. 1:25:35.160 --> 1:25:39.400 Hollywood highest grossing movie in nineteen seventy nine. Have I 1:25:39.439 --> 1:25:43.000 mentioned that? No, these are the films that were released 1:25:43.000 --> 1:25:45.479 in nine and seventy nine. I mentioned I mentioned star 1:25:45.560 --> 1:25:47.680 tracking on but also just to add to that, a 1:25:47.760 --> 1:25:50.800 cuck list now Alien was released Mad Max. 1:25:50.720 --> 1:25:53.519 Alien, Yeah ten are you kidding this? 1:25:53.960 --> 1:25:57.280 Mad Ma t It was a massive like sex comedy 1:25:57.360 --> 1:26:00.680 with Bo Derek and more. Amityville Horror was actually the 1:26:00.680 --> 1:26:02.040 second highest grossing film that year. 1:26:02.360 --> 1:26:04.439 Life of Brian Life came out. 1:26:05.200 --> 1:26:05.880 This is a hot year. 1:26:06.360 --> 1:26:08.600 It's a hot year being there Peter Sallers, who he 1:26:08.640 --> 1:26:10.439 was nominated for that. That was one of Peter Sellers's 1:26:10.479 --> 1:26:11.600 like great performances. 1:26:12.400 --> 1:26:12.839 Manhattan. 1:26:12.880 --> 1:26:15.200 Woody Allen, Meryl Street was shooting that as you was 1:26:15.280 --> 1:26:17.320 shooting this. I think that's why that's why Joe left. 1:26:18.120 --> 1:26:19.960 She well, she should have bought that up in the 1:26:20.000 --> 1:26:23.800 court proceeding was shooting working Woody Allen. Do you know 1:26:23.840 --> 1:26:28.000 Woody Allen? But I don't, actually don't seventy nights, so 1:26:28.000 --> 1:26:29.280 it's okay to no Woody Allen. 1:26:29.280 --> 1:26:32.240 At this point of Rocky two comes out that year, Nah, 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:35.599 and Cramer versus Crame makes more money than Rocky two. 1:26:36.000 --> 1:26:38.400 That's insane. Also the amount that I said, well, I 1:26:38.439 --> 1:26:40.400 mean total it's made one seventy the box office or 1:26:40.439 --> 1:26:42.760 whatever on whatever. It's tiny budget warts, that's a huge 1:26:42.800 --> 1:26:44.880 amount of money. Huge. 1:26:44.920 --> 1:26:47.719 The Mother movie came out that year, or that The Champ, 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:49.639 the tear Jerk of the Champ with Rockie Schroeder. 1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:52.480 I want to live in nineteen seventy a year to. 1:26:51.760 --> 1:26:52.639 Go to the movies. 1:26:53.560 --> 1:26:58.640 Roger Benton also wrote Bonnie and Clyde and the Superman 1:26:59.040 --> 1:27:02.360 Original Superman Movie Great. He went on to direct Still 1:27:02.360 --> 1:27:04.960 of the Night Places in the Heart Billy Barthgate with 1:27:05.200 --> 1:27:07.680 dusn't Hoff and Nicole Kim. That wasn't a big hit, 1:27:07.720 --> 1:27:12.679 that one, Nobody's Full with Paul Newman, and Twilight Right 1:27:13.400 --> 1:27:18.320 for starring Paul Newman, Susan surrounding Gene Hackman. You know 1:27:18.360 --> 1:27:20.639 that one. Haven't covered that one in. 1:27:20.560 --> 1:27:24.000 The It hasn't come up hot year for Best Actor. 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:24.880 Hoff And wins. 1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:28.680 Peter Seller's nominated for being there, Jack Lemon, This is 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:33.000 a really hot category, Jack Lemon, the China syndrome, Roy Scheider, 1:27:33.200 --> 1:27:35.760 who a lot of people thought Mate not ripped off. 1:27:35.800 --> 1:27:37.600 It was probably the next in line for all that 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:40.880 jazz doesn't. Hoffen wins for Creme Versus Creme and Al 1:27:40.920 --> 1:27:44.040 Pacino Oh for a movie called and Justice for All, 1:27:44.080 --> 1:27:45.920 which I must say I have not seen. 1:27:45.880 --> 1:27:50.120 Really dipping into, like, you know, a cultural point in history. 1:27:50.200 --> 1:27:52.240 This yeah, do you know what I mean? It's like, 1:27:52.280 --> 1:27:54.280 this is a point you look back on and this 1:27:54.320 --> 1:27:55.960 is this changes film, you know. 1:27:56.000 --> 1:27:58.799 Absolutely yeah, And this podcast will change podcasts of course 1:27:58.880 --> 1:28:02.000 is the episode I watched Ustin Hoffin's speech. It's actually 1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:03.920 a good speech. Oh really, Yeah, he gives a good speech. 1:28:03.960 --> 1:28:07.479 He thinks, he mentions the idea that I refuse to 1:28:07.520 --> 1:28:10.920 believe that. You know that Peter Seller's lost tonight or 1:28:10.960 --> 1:28:12.800 that Jack and that's good. 1:28:12.960 --> 1:28:14.120 You know, I like it good. 1:28:14.160 --> 1:28:16.400 It's like when I watched two boxes fight and they 1:28:16.439 --> 1:28:18.880 hug at the end and say they respect the other person. Yeah, 1:28:19.120 --> 1:28:20.280 actually makes me so happy. 1:28:20.640 --> 1:28:23.720 And and weirdly, Will Smith got up and smacks him. 1:28:23.840 --> 1:28:28.120 Really, I'm surprised that has not been mentioned for years. 1:28:28.320 --> 1:28:29.160 Doing it for years. 1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:33.280 You can't trust you can't trust him. Apparently the ice 1:28:33.360 --> 1:28:36.120 cream scene was improvised. It's not a little fun factors. Yeah, 1:28:36.160 --> 1:28:36.880 I was improvised. 1:28:37.520 --> 1:28:37.920 Mate. 1:28:37.960 --> 1:28:42.240 This podcast comes with homework and you you are killing 1:28:42.240 --> 1:28:42.519 it at. 1:28:42.400 --> 1:28:45.679 The Melbourne International Comedy Festival. I mentioned in the intro. 1:28:45.920 --> 1:28:50.639 You'll be truing, You'll be cheering around check check check 1:28:51.360 --> 1:28:52.400 your Instagram page. 1:28:52.439 --> 1:28:54.120 Yeah, I'll just tie my name into Google. 1:28:54.160 --> 1:28:57.840 It's it's when people say links. It's just is Google. 1:28:58.000 --> 1:28:59.480 Just write my name into Google. 1:28:59.280 --> 1:29:03.080 And number live and you'd be passing through towns and 1:29:03.160 --> 1:29:06.679 cities with yoyo, Diablo, that's it my new hour show. 1:29:06.760 --> 1:29:07.320 Please come a. 1:29:07.240 --> 1:29:11.720 Little smashing it rave reviews and to watch Kramer Versus 1:29:11.800 --> 1:29:13.400 Cramer as you're heading to the final week and the moment. 1:29:13.439 --> 1:29:16.400 International Comedy Festival is a Lucian effort. 1:29:16.560 --> 1:29:18.800 You don't understand how I was. Just I had in 1:29:18.840 --> 1:29:20.559 bed holding a lap I didn't even watch it on 1:29:20.560 --> 1:29:23.200 a TV screen. I shut the I'm staying with my friends, 1:29:23.200 --> 1:29:25.240 so I shut the door, just watching it on a laptop, 1:29:25.640 --> 1:29:28.160 just in a world of pain, just being like, if 1:29:28.200 --> 1:29:29.880 it wasn't Peter Hellier, there's no. 1:29:31.479 --> 1:29:33.960 Well, mate, I appreciate it. Let's go get some munch. Yeah, 1:29:34.040 --> 1:29:34.920 love it. Thanks being. 1:29:42.920 --> 1:29:46.240 That was fun. I love watching Kramer Versus Kramer. Like 1:29:46.479 --> 1:29:48.880 I mentioned to Sam, I'd watched it half it when 1:29:48.920 --> 1:29:50.639 I was younger. I couldn't quite get my claws into 1:29:50.680 --> 1:29:54.160 it because I just couldn't relate to that adult subject 1:29:54.160 --> 1:29:55.800 matter when I watched it. 1:29:55.800 --> 1:29:59.160 And all the ads, bloody ads. But really, such a 1:29:59.360 --> 1:30:02.080 brilliant move and so fascinating. 1:30:02.120 --> 1:30:03.479 I'm obsessed with the fact that it was the highest 1:30:03.479 --> 1:30:05.679 grossing movie of nineteen seventy nine every. 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:07.679 Time, and I do thank the guests obviously, in front 1:30:07.680 --> 1:30:08.320 of them. You hear that. 1:30:08.520 --> 1:30:11.479 But again a shout out to Sam who you know 1:30:11.560 --> 1:30:15.160 in the closing moments of the Melbourne International Film Festival, 1:30:15.160 --> 1:30:17.320 which has been a massive festival this. 1:30:17.360 --> 1:30:20.040 Year in terms of just getting through it. To be honest, 1:30:20.080 --> 1:30:24.320 there's been various COVID outbreaks, comedians canceling shows, audiences sometimes 1:30:24.360 --> 1:30:27.439 having the canceled being at shows. So for Sam to 1:30:27.920 --> 1:30:30.800 find some time the watch Cremer Vesu Creamer, an emotional 1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:33.800 movie was just above and beyond. So if you get 1:30:33.800 --> 1:30:38.880 a chance to support Sam's following him on Instagram or 1:30:38.960 --> 1:30:41.679 Twitter or seeing him live more. 1:30:41.600 --> 1:30:44.120 So, please do so. He's a great guy. I really 1:30:44.240 --> 1:30:47.280 enjoyed hanging out with him. Derek Meyers is the man 1:30:47.320 --> 1:30:50.519 behind Castaways Studios, where we record you Ain't Seen Nothing 1:30:50.600 --> 1:30:54.559 Yet in Collingwood, a stone's throwaway from the coolest street 1:30:54.720 --> 1:30:58.200 in the World, as nominated by Time Out Magazine, Smith Street. Derek, 1:30:58.360 --> 1:31:00.160 you are the man who puts this together. Have you 1:31:00.160 --> 1:31:01.160 watched Crama Versus Kramer? 1:31:01.439 --> 1:31:02.280 Yeah? I had. 1:31:02.960 --> 1:31:05.640 It came out when I was a kid. Yeah, like 1:31:06.160 --> 1:31:10.679 a lot of people, and it didn't Yeah, like you, 1:31:11.120 --> 1:31:13.960 it didn't kind of make any sense to me at all. 1:31:14.920 --> 1:31:17.040 There was no real point, and eventually I would have 1:31:17.160 --> 1:31:19.280 just seen it as my parents. 1:31:18.920 --> 1:31:20.240 Watched it and stuff like that. 1:31:20.360 --> 1:31:23.360 Yeah, so there's no divorcing, and I mean it means 1:31:23.360 --> 1:31:24.200 a lot more now. 1:31:24.720 --> 1:31:26.160 Well, you can watch it when you're older. 1:31:26.160 --> 1:31:28.320 You can watch it three even if you haven't, I 1:31:28.400 --> 1:31:31.240 must say, thankfully in touch wood, I have not been, 1:31:31.439 --> 1:31:33.320 at this stage in my life touched a whole lot 1:31:33.400 --> 1:31:34.000 by divorce. 1:31:35.160 --> 1:31:36.559 There hasn't been a lot of divorce around me. 1:31:36.640 --> 1:31:41.719 My siblings are all married, my parents are still married, 1:31:41.840 --> 1:31:42.800 my in laws are married. 1:31:42.800 --> 1:31:44.160 There's been no divorce. 1:31:44.560 --> 1:31:47.960 Actually there has been, sorry, but long ago before I 1:31:48.000 --> 1:31:52.320 was on the scene on my wife's side. All my friends, 1:31:52.400 --> 1:31:56.040 miraculously are still married. It has been a divorce between them. 1:31:56.160 --> 1:31:56.559 I'm sure. 1:31:56.640 --> 1:31:59.680 I'm sure there's one ahead of us somewhere. But you 1:31:59.680 --> 1:32:03.000 can still watch it through the prism of your own relationships. 1:32:03.240 --> 1:32:05.280 If you've got kids, what that must be like the 1:32:05.680 --> 1:32:09.200 little billy. So, Yeah, the older you get in, the 1:32:09.200 --> 1:32:12.280 more life experience you get, there's certainly ways for it 1:32:12.320 --> 1:32:14.400 to get hooks into you, no doubt. 1:32:14.640 --> 1:32:17.519 Quite often you hear when your friends, like a few 1:32:17.520 --> 1:32:22.360 people I know, have gone through real ugly custody stuff, 1:32:23.400 --> 1:32:27.120 and you only hear about like there's probably ten times 1:32:27.120 --> 1:32:31.679 as many people you know who've been through amicable custody stuff. Yeah, 1:32:31.840 --> 1:32:34.760 where they've done, you know, back down or done what's 1:32:34.760 --> 1:32:37.240 best for the kid or whatever. So you kind of 1:32:37.240 --> 1:32:40.240 get a weird, twisted notion of that. It's an evil 1:32:40.439 --> 1:32:40.840 sort of. 1:32:40.840 --> 1:32:43.920 Yeah, and that's what I really loved about this film. 1:32:43.960 --> 1:32:47.880 And I think what kind of saying is even when 1:32:48.360 --> 1:32:54.479 two sides are acting, you know, with good faith, it's 1:32:54.520 --> 1:32:58.000 really hard. It's really emotionally exhausting. 1:32:58.320 --> 1:33:00.639 It took the world by storm, just that, just throwing 1:33:00.640 --> 1:33:03.120 that notion up. Yeah, in the middle of like this 1:33:03.360 --> 1:33:04.559 huge year for film. 1:33:04.680 --> 1:33:08.400 Yeah, and of all the films we've watched that you know, say, 1:33:08.400 --> 1:33:12.479 more than thirty years old, and this is over forty 1:33:12.560 --> 1:33:14.840 years old. Now, I feel like this is one of 1:33:14.880 --> 1:33:16.960 the films that has aged as well as any of them. 1:33:17.160 --> 1:33:20.120 Yeah, and it is it is the rhetoric like Crema 1:33:20.200 --> 1:33:24.840 versus Kramer is. Yeah, just means that, it means the 1:33:24.880 --> 1:33:27.759 custody battle, like it's like a brevel or a hoover 1:33:27.920 --> 1:33:28.240 or something. 1:33:28.320 --> 1:33:31.720 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, it's Crame is a great name for it. 1:33:31.760 --> 1:33:32.400 Even though when you. 1:33:32.400 --> 1:33:34.280 Google it, you get a whole lot of Michael Richards stuff. 1:33:34.479 --> 1:33:36.800 It had it been Slensky versus Shlensky, you know, like 1:33:36.880 --> 1:33:38.760 it doesn't have the same it's got I'm not sure 1:33:38.800 --> 1:33:40.400 how they came up with those names and how much 1:33:40.400 --> 1:33:42.920 thought you know, to get the right name, and when 1:33:42.960 --> 1:33:45.680 the title came was it an afterthought or was it 1:33:45.720 --> 1:33:46.920 always creame versus Cremer? 1:33:47.280 --> 1:33:49.080 But yeah, a good title. 1:33:49.280 --> 1:33:51.120 If you're listening to the podcast and we want to 1:33:51.120 --> 1:33:55.120 thank everyone for your support, you can please follow and subscribe. 1:33:55.320 --> 1:33:59.160 You can leave a comment on the iTunes page just 1:33:59.240 --> 1:34:01.120 whenever you get a chain answers to tell your mates 1:34:01.160 --> 1:34:04.360 about it. 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Click on that, 1:34:45.680 --> 1:34:48.040 and it's like a yeah, just leave a message, and 1:34:48.360 --> 1:34:50.760 I believe somebody has done that, and we've got so 1:34:50.760 --> 1:34:53.240 we're gonna have a speak pipe and we're gonna have 1:34:53.280 --> 1:34:57.080 also an email. We're gonna get both old fashioned and 1:34:57.160 --> 1:34:59.519 new fashioned. We've got an email from Emily. 1:34:59.560 --> 1:34:59.960 I believe. 1:35:00.360 --> 1:35:03.080 Yes, it's a nice one from Emily, and it goes 1:35:03.160 --> 1:35:06.200 like this, Hi, Pete, just dropping a line to say, 1:35:06.240 --> 1:35:09.719 I'm so grateful for this podcast. You and your guests 1:35:09.800 --> 1:35:13.960 have some great insights. I love learning the reasons behind 1:35:14.040 --> 1:35:18.639 why other people love particular movies, stories, and characters. You're 1:35:18.680 --> 1:35:21.920 clearly a very informed movie lover, and your approach is 1:35:21.960 --> 1:35:26.599 a unique, refreshing and entertaining, unlike some screenwriting classes I've 1:35:26.640 --> 1:35:27.880 taken in books i've read. 1:35:29.080 --> 1:35:32.120 Keep up the good work. Cheers, Emily, Thank you, Emily, 1:35:32.200 --> 1:35:32.920 thank you very much. 1:35:33.080 --> 1:35:36.679 You know this podcast it's really just about, well, want 1:35:36.680 --> 1:35:39.080 to get a chance to watch movies that I either 1:35:39.160 --> 1:35:41.960 love or I've seen many times, but sometimes movies I 1:35:42.000 --> 1:35:46.920 haven't seen. Sometimes I just note things that I think 1:35:46.920 --> 1:35:51.000 are interesting for anyone interested in screenwriting, whether to actually 1:35:51.040 --> 1:35:53.400 do screenwriting or just how movies up put together. I 1:35:53.479 --> 1:35:57.559 appreciate that you have noted that I'm certainly not trying 1:35:57.560 --> 1:35:59.680 to make this a how to write a screenplay on 1:35:59.720 --> 1:36:03.120 a pot, but this little things that I find interesting 1:36:03.320 --> 1:36:06.800 I like to pass on if you are interested in screenwriting. 1:36:06.840 --> 1:36:10.320 The podcast that I'll absolutely be listening to is called 1:36:10.439 --> 1:36:14.080 script Notes by Craig Mason and John August. It's a 1:36:14.120 --> 1:36:18.320 fantastic service those two gentlemen are providing screen lovers. It's 1:36:18.320 --> 1:36:21.799 a real masterclass. So but thank you Emily for your email. 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:24.200 I'm glad you're enjoying the podcast. And now we go 1:36:24.280 --> 1:36:25.920 to a speak pipe message. 1:36:25.960 --> 1:36:29.519 I believe Derek, yes, use the speak pipe if you 1:36:29.560 --> 1:36:32.320 want to avoid having me playing the part of you 1:36:32.520 --> 1:36:33.280 in your emails. 1:36:33.920 --> 1:36:35.599 I gotta say, you sound nothing like Emily. 1:36:36.120 --> 1:36:40.080 I've never met Emily, but in Emily's Emily, if you're listening, 1:36:40.080 --> 1:36:41.320 that wasn't an impression of you. 1:36:41.760 --> 1:36:44.160 That was this Derek being Derek and reading the words 1:36:44.160 --> 1:36:46.680 that you sent. But it's a very good point if 1:36:46.680 --> 1:36:48.800 you want to actually hear yourself on this podcast. Do 1:36:49.000 --> 1:36:50.719 what this lady did. 1:36:51.040 --> 1:36:51.720 Then here we go. 1:36:52.960 --> 1:36:56.920 Hey guys, my name's Ash. I just wanted to say 1:36:56.920 --> 1:36:59.439 thank you for such a great podcast. I love listening 1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:02.800 to it on way to and from work, hoping that 1:37:02.920 --> 1:37:06.600 you might be able to aim for Kira Knightley's Atonement 1:37:06.720 --> 1:37:10.400 sometime soon. It always gets me. It's a great movie. 1:37:10.800 --> 1:37:15.880 It's got that twist at the end. Anyway, thanks for everything. 1:37:15.560 --> 1:37:20.679 Babe, Thank you Ashley. Yeah, a Tonement. I'm not sure 1:37:21.120 --> 1:37:22.960 I have to see you for Atonements on the list. 1:37:23.200 --> 1:37:26.479 So Joe Wright directed that I reckon about fifteen odd 1:37:26.640 --> 1:37:29.559 years ago. Perhaps I read the book. The book was 1:37:29.840 --> 1:37:32.840 Ian McEwen. It's great book, great author, Ian McEwen. Yeah, 1:37:32.880 --> 1:37:38.160 Kieran Knightley and James McAvoy are in that. So okay, 1:37:38.680 --> 1:37:40.880 I'll put a Tonement on the list. If it isn't 1:37:40.880 --> 1:37:44.519 on already. I think it's I think it works as 1:37:44.560 --> 1:37:48.760 a classic. It's a period piece that always helps. But yeah, okay, 1:37:48.760 --> 1:37:50.320 I'll put a Tomement on. But thank you so much 1:37:50.360 --> 1:37:53.800 for your comments and for jumping on the speed pipe. 1:37:53.840 --> 1:37:54.040 Ash. 1:37:54.080 --> 1:37:56.960 I really appreciate that. Really glad that you're enjoying it. 1:37:57.400 --> 1:37:59.880 And yeah, we've got plenty more episodes to come for 1:38:00.160 --> 1:38:02.840 this season, Season four, R of you Ain't saying nothing yet, 1:38:02.840 --> 1:38:06.320 And next week speaking of Adam, Richard is in the house, 1:38:16.840 --> 1:38:17.479 And so we 1:38:17.640 --> 1:38:21.720 Leave Old Pete save Fanselt, and to our friends of 1:38:21.800 --> 1:38:24.760 the radio audience, we've been a pleasant good night