1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: This is outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Sophie Torbor. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: That is so fetched. Thank you, Welcome back everyone. 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Now we are on a bit of a high because 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: we have been in a fierce debate for many days 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: now about our food hierarchies. You might have seen us 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: sharing them online, and we feel like we have just 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: topped the food hierarchies. We have done an ultimate McDonald's 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: food hierarchy, or McDonald's for others. And there was a 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: bit of contention because we did map this out with 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: our little cousins and they wanted to have no burgers 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: in the top tier. That is ridiculous because their philosophy 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: behind that decision was that they don't reach for their 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: burger first, they reach for the chips. But who doesn't 18 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: reach for chips and the carts easier to eat. And 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: for those who might not have seen it, we did 20 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: a hierarchy on the top biscuits, the top ice cream 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: and what was. 22 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: The other one? 23 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: Top block of chocolates, block of chocolate. Sorry, the chips 24 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: is to come. Amy first made the chocolate one herself, 25 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: and I did agree with a lot of things she 26 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: had on there, but there were a few contentious issues 27 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: that then continued to rear its head. And I've got 28 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: to say with the biscuit one, none of us voted 29 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: for mince slice to be down the at those who 30 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: haven't seen it, mince slice. 31 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: And what was the other contentious one? Oreos? 32 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: We had mince slice and oreos in the metier. 33 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: A lot of ups come on. 34 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: Oreos used to be good back in the day, but 35 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: they are tiny. Yeah, well, we've got to paint the 36 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: picture for you. We actually had our two younger cousins 37 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: who were twenty one and twenty four over on Wednesday 38 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: night and we were eating pizza and then we decided 39 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: to come up with the biscuit hierarchy, and they had 40 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: very strong opinions about mince slice. I wish we'd recorded 41 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: it because it was the most hilarious discussion. I've never 42 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: seen my cousin so passionate about something. Well, it's funny 43 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: because unlike them, we grew up never being allowed to 44 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: have any biscuits at all, Like it was a massive 45 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: treat to have a Tim Tam maybe Grammar and Grandpa's, 46 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: or a Monte Carlo biscuit, where they perhaps a downfall 47 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: then of our hierarchy. Maybe we haven't taste no, but 48 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: I feel like they got them all the time, so 49 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: they don't really find them as special. 50 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: As we did. 51 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: Perhaps well, as Sophy said, we're going to be releasing 52 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: the McDonald's hierarchy, but we really want to do more, 53 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: and I think that next time we need to have 54 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 1: the food laid out and do a little taste. 55 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: Test a bung style. 56 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: Maybe we're not really a mook bunk, but I feel 57 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: like sometimes you forget the taste, Like we put ginger 58 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: nut down the bottom and a lot of people saying 59 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: they love gingdernut and I had I'm sorry, ginger nut 60 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: is revolting. Well I thought it was vaulting, but you 61 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: never know your your palette might have matured and it 62 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: might taste suddenly good. Now I think the next one 63 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: we do have just got to go for it and 64 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: not care if it's a bit out there. 65 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: I don't care. 66 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: I also think maybe not listen to our little cousins. 67 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: I think it just has to be our opinion this time. 68 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: What happens when you turn into the subject you critique. 69 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: That's exactly what co hosts of Australia's most popular podcasts 70 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, Shameless, are experiencing. The epic rise of 71 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: Shameless has earned co hosts Michelle Andrews and Zara McDonald 72 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: influential status themselves, an ironic feat, considering holding influences to 73 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: account is what made them popular in the first place. 74 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: It is this irony and the repercussions it is caused 75 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: that we will be dissecting today. So for those who 76 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: don't listen to Shameless, Kate, can you tell us exactly 77 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: who they are and what it was about them that 78 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: struck a chord with so many women in the beginning? Well, 79 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: I for one, am an og listener of Shameless and 80 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: the podcast is run by Melbourne journalists Zara McDonald and 81 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: Michelle Andrews, and back in twenty eighteen, they started the 82 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: podcast in their bedroom and it quickly became iconic because 83 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: they really became the voice of our generation and they 84 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: were discussing issues that don't usually get a lot of attention. Well, 85 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: their whole tagline is that it's a podcast for smart 86 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: women who love dumb stuff. And they really became popular 87 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: for dissecting Australian influences in a very clever and nuanced way, 88 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: which is something we'd never seen before at the time, 89 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: and they really gave a strong voice to feminist debate. 90 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: And they were from Muma Mia, so they originally wrote 91 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: articles for Mia Friedman's side and it's always been interesting 92 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: to listen to them from a media perspective finding little 93 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: tidbits out about Muma Mea, because you can tell there's quite. 94 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 2: A beef that's going on there. Yeah. 95 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: I think they're trying to be professional about it and 96 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: not say too much, but yeah, as you said, there 97 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: is that underlying thing. And of course, for a while 98 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: the podcast was something that they were doing as a 99 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: bit of a side project whilst they were working for 100 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: Muma Mia. And then obviously it seems like it became 101 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: that they couldn't work there any longer because it really 102 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: was rivaling a lot of you know, Muma Mea out 103 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: loud in the podcast they were producing. Because of course 104 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: they actually pitched the idea for the podcast to Muma 105 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: Mia and they rejected them, so it must have been 106 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: a bit of an awkward situation going on. It has 107 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: been really incredible to see how quickly their podcast and 108 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: profile has grown in the past couple of years. As 109 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: we mentioned, they were named the most popular podcast in 110 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Okay, can you talk us through how the 111 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: podcast has gradually evolved since they have found a level 112 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: of fame. 113 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: Well, for me, the episode that. 114 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: Really put them on the map and got people talking 115 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: was the one where they dissected Sarah's Day's decision to 116 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: talk about her treating her cervical displacure with natural food 117 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: and medicines. And I mean, as a big fan of 118 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day, I found it quite interesting to listen to. 119 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: At the same time, it was hard because obviously I 120 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: really like her, but I think they gave a really 121 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: balanced overview of the situation and no one else was 122 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: talking about people like Sarah's Day, So I know, for me, 123 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: when I heard them talking about influence as I actually followed, 124 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: my ears pricked up and I was like, wow, I 125 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: don't hear this on the radio. And there was an 126 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: epic episode where they discussed Louise Milligan's report on Four 127 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: Corners about influencers promoting plastic surgery, and they even went 128 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: as far as naming Shiny Grimman, Chloe Zepp, and Lily 129 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: Brown as instigators for this movement. It's really interesting though, 130 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: because this week they're actually having Chloe Zepp's boyfriend, Mitchell 131 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: Orvill on their podcast, So it is interesting to see 132 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: how they have evolved to slam his girlfriend, but then 133 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: now we're speaking to him about his cocaine addiction. When 134 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: you say slam, though, I think it's fair to say 135 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: they didn't exactly slam Chloe Zepp. They've been really clear 136 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: since day one. They want to focus on the influencer's 137 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: action and not the person behind the action, if that 138 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: makes sense. So I can understand why they'd have Mitchell on, 139 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: but it has there has been a change, hasn't there, 140 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: And the way that they tackle the issue of influences 141 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: well exactly right. So obviously everyone really enjoyed their balanced 142 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: reports on influencers, but now they've ironically found themselves in 143 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: the situation where they actually aren't influencers themselves. So how 144 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: do you go about holding influencers to account when you 145 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: actually are an influencer. Plus you're making friends with the 146 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: influencers you're having on your program. 147 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 2: Well, they of course have their. 148 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: In Conversation episodes, and I know Steph Claire Smith was 149 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: probably one of the first big names they got in 150 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: there because Michelle worked for Keep It Cleaner as a copywriter. Well, 151 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: actually Steph wasn't a guest on and in Conversation. That 152 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: only happened quite recently, but she was a like a 153 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: very small guest on. I think it was like their 154 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: third episode. 155 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: There was a phone in guest. 156 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's really interesting point you make 157 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: about Steph Clefre Smith, because I feel like she has 158 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: always been a contentious topic to Shameless. Of course, you know, 159 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: I know Secret Sophie and I love Steph Clere Smith. 160 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: We do the Keep It Cleaner workout. I love watching 161 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: her on Instagram. But it sort of is hard because 162 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: a lot of what Shameless were originally preaching, especially about 163 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: sun's safety, which of course has been such an amazing 164 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: initiative that they've done, and so many people are now 165 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: wearing so onscreen because of them. But it was kind 166 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: of got a bit murky because they're always promoting Steph 167 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: Clefre Smith but she's one of the influencers that's quite 168 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: out there in glamorizing tanning culture. So it was always 169 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: funny because they never said anything about her. And I mean, 170 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: I can completely understand that it would be a rather 171 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: awkward situation, but I suppose that's where we find ourselves 172 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: in that the more they get engrossed into this influencer industry, 173 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: the more they can't call people out, which was the 174 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: whole point of why they existed. Yeah, as you say, 175 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: it seems like they really are unable to hold these 176 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: influences to account because they have become best buddies with them, 177 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: and it seems like they are part of this new 178 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: cool girl Melbourne click. So I mean, let's go through 179 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: who the members of this clique really are. So we've 180 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: got Steph cleare Smith as you touched them before on 181 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: Laura Henshaw. We have Sarah Davidson, Olivia Rodgers, Michelle Battersby, 182 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: jar Da Tunci, Sammy Robinson and Jemma Watts. And when 183 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: you say they're part of this click, you're saying that 184 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: they've either been on Shameless, they're friends of friends and 185 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: they're supporting one another. 186 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: Is that right? 187 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So they're kind of like Taylor Swift's Click 188 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: that she made back in twenty fifteen. It was quite 189 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: widely reported on in twenty fifteen. I think it was 190 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: the VMA's when Taylor Swift arrived with nine female dates 191 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: to the award. It was people like Gigi had, did 192 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: Kyla Delvine, I think that's how you pronounce her, No, 193 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: Selena Gomez, all of those amazing people. So she had 194 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: all of them and it started trending worldwide, this girl squad, 195 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: So it's almost like the girl squad of Melbourne. And 196 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: of course those people that Sovi spoke about, Sarah Davidson, 197 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: she has her own podcast and she's from matcha Maid 198 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: and Olivia Rodgers is a former Miss Universe contestant. So 199 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: some very beautiful but then also very well connected people 200 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: in the industry. Isn't it terrible though, because when you 201 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: hear the word click, it sounds bitchy and we're not 202 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: unfairing that at all. It seems like such a group 203 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: of amazing women who I personally I would love to 204 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: be friends with all of them, of course, I mean 205 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: seems like great women, and that's where the contentious issue 206 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: comes into it. Obviously, they have now been elevated to 207 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: influence the status themselves, so they are mingling with this 208 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: circle of people. And the question does arise to everyone 209 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: who listens to this if suddenly you were plucked from 210 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: obscurity and became a somebody and part of this sort 211 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: of elitist group, how would you feel? Would you want 212 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: to be friends with them? Or would you stick to 213 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: the fundamentals of your podcast and continue to speak about them. 214 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: It is interesting because it's hard because the reason that 215 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: they're popular is because they are sharing their true opinions 216 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: on the influencer world. And it's really difficult for them 217 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of their popularity has 218 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: stemmed from the fact they. 219 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 2: Seem like your best friend. 220 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: You seem as if you're listening into one of their conversations, 221 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: they could be the girls from UNI, and then suddenly 222 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: you go on Instagram and they're part of the cool group. 223 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 224 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people use that type 225 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: of analogy of the sort of girl next door, almost 226 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: nerd going into the top ranks of the popular group 227 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: to describe Taylor Swift and her click. And I think 228 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: that's exactly what's happening here and why Michelle and Zara 229 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: might be copying a bit of criticism, because yeah, it's 230 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: almost like, Wow, they were one of us, and now 231 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: they're in that group and it's hard to differentiate because 232 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: the interesting thing is whilst they were friends with them, 233 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: they still have had not recently, but last year they 234 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: had a piece on Alose Nols and they were critiquing 235 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: her about being a model and that she's using something 236 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: that's been given to her by God essentially it's from birth, 237 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: her looks, and how it's not really fair that she's 238 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: making the most out of them, Whereas then they praise 239 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: someone like Steph cles Smith again who they're friends with, 240 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: and it's sort of those two people could be quite 241 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: comparable in terms of using their looks to then grow 242 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: a successful business. That's right, And I mean this, I 243 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: feel like this quote sums it up really well. It 244 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: was in an article about Taylor Swift. It said a 245 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: squad isn't always a source of feminist social support or 246 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: an oasis of nurturing female friendships in a dessert of misogyny. 247 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: Often it is a more subtle extension of adolescent hierarchy 248 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: to put some girls in the cool bunk and some 249 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: Girls in the Loser Bunk a terrifying fun house mirror 250 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: image of what it means to actually be a woman 251 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: and have close female friends in a world that is 252 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: hostile to women and skeptical of their friendships already. And 253 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: I think what's important to mention is what we're referring 254 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: to is as Shameless has gotten bigger and bigger, it 255 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: seems that some of its number one supporters back in 256 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: the day are now turning on the women, which is 257 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: often what we see when there. 258 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: Are women who are in a power. 259 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: Position or they do surround themselves with other powerful friends, 260 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: as you mentioned Taylor Swift. Yeah, well this all came 261 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: to a head on April twenty ninth when the Girls 262 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: made a public announcement on their Facebook page about being trolled. 263 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: So they wrote to the group that we feel as 264 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: the community has grown in size, so too has the 265 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: viciousness of its tone. On a really personal level, While 266 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: we believe constructive criticism is crucial for any great show 267 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: and greatly appreciate the feedback that pushes us to be better, 268 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,119 Speaker 1: the tone of some negative feedback lately has been incredibly 269 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: hard to read the personal nature of what we are 270 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: receiving not only here, but also across our email inbox, 271 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: private Facebook group, Instagram, dms, and podcast reviews is very 272 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: difficult to wake up to every morning. It's one thing 273 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: to give constructive criticism on the podcast. It's another thing 274 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: entirely to criticize who we are as people. And we 275 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: feel that the line has been crossed far too often 276 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: this month, and. 277 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 2: This wasn't received well. 278 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: They didn't allow people in the community to comment on 279 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: the post, which I'm assuming they did so because they 280 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: didn't want any more hurtful comments. But what this did 281 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: was it made people go into their review section on 282 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: the Apple podcast and write awful. 283 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: Well sorry when I say awful. 284 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Some of the comments were constructive by nature, and others 285 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: sort of were pulling down some of the personal attributes 286 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: about the girls. Yeah, and I think that's important to note. 287 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: I think it's disgusting that people are personally tearing them apart. 288 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no need to comment on the fact 289 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: that they talk about their boyfriends or their dog, or 290 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: even their appearance being brought into Yeah, I think that's 291 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: so wrong. But it is difficult because I think some 292 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: of the commentary from their fans, like the og listeners 293 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: is quite constructive. I've had a look at it and 294 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: some of them are actually very polite and say, hey, 295 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: I really love the podcast. I've been listening since day one. 296 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: But I really enjoyed how you used to hold influencers 297 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: to account and it would be great if you could 298 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: give more of a balanced opinion these times. 299 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: So I think those are helpful. 300 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and as we touched on the past few months, 301 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: they have really missed a lot of hot topics involving 302 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: influencers at the moment, I'd say for the part last year, 303 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: they have only been looking at international influences, either from 304 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: America or England. They have really avoided speaking about anyone 305 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: on a local level. And if you go back to 306 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: look at their first few episodes, it was so locally 307 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: focused and that was what made them stand out. Do 308 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: you guys think that they can actually comment and influencers, 309 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: because as you said, they're friends with so many of them. 310 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: Australia is a small place. I mean, if they say 311 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: they're friends with Olivia Rocher, she's friends with another influence. 312 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: They're all connected in that way, and from their perspective, 313 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: I can see why they don't want to go on 314 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: the attack because their community is so big and they 315 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: don't miss a beat, do they. Well, it's really interesting 316 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: because back in June twenty nineteen, Shaneless did an episode 317 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: about Cassidy from Love Ireland and she had put out 318 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: a post saying that it was really difficult being an influencer, 319 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: and Zara explained how the influencer industry is very insular 320 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: by nature and the way it's been built, and she 321 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: said that work and play overlap, causing influencers to become 322 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: close to each other. They essentially become co workers or colleagues, 323 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: and because of this they get trapped in aboveve which 324 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: is enabling it's hard not to lose perspective of what's normal. 325 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: So I feel like they have lost themselves in this bubble. 326 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: They are now in this Melbourne click bubble. It is 327 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: interesting that that was Zara's own words on that sort 328 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: of philosophy, but yet they are falling victim to it themselves. Yeah, 329 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: it's so true what you say, But then if you 330 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: think about it, I mean they have evolved into having 331 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: all these issues that influencers now have, so they are 332 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: facing severe trolling by what it sounds like, So there 333 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: could be the argument that they're becoming friends with people 334 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: who are going through the same things as them. I 335 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: do think it is difficult for them because as the 336 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: podcast has grown, so too has a list of sponsorship 337 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: opportunities they've had for not only their podcasts, but for 338 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: their own personal Instagram accounts. So if you have a 339 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: look at not only Shameless as page, but both of 340 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: the girls accounts, they're often seen promoting different products. So 341 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: it's very hard for you to be criticizing someone else 342 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: for doing it. And it's also hard because those brands 343 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: are then connected to other influencers, so it might affect 344 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: their potential brand deal. Yeah, that would definitely be a 345 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: tricky balance, and I suppose it's a balance that Michelle 346 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: did talk about on the episode of Shameless when they 347 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: were discussing Cassidy from Love Island's view on influencers, and 348 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: she was talking about how she thinks audiences should be 349 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: giving influencers who actually do something in inverted commas a 350 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: bit of slack. So I feel like she was measuring 351 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: influencers worth on whether they provided a sort of service 352 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: or product, So, you know, like the Kick Girls, they 353 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: steph cle Smith was big on Instagram from modeling, but 354 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: then she turned it into a massive business. And I 355 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: don't know what did everyone think of that, because it 356 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: sounded a little bit judging of the people that have 357 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: Instagram followings because they're models or they post pictures. It's 358 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: a hard one because a lot of if you're an 359 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: influencer and you put up photos that might bring joy 360 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: to somebody else's life, it's. 361 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: Like old, weird, creepy men. 362 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: But I don't know, I feel like it's a bit 363 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: of a self serving comment because she's almost in fairing 364 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: that because they post stuff and they've got a podcast 365 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: and that makes it all right. I think they're trying 366 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: to draw parallels between different influences, and maybe they're trying 367 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: to I suppose to stick up for their influencer sort 368 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: of click because if you look at all those women, 369 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: they all have amazing businesses behind them. I mean, the 370 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: shameless girls have created an amazing media empire. They've got 371 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: to take your hats off to them. Yeah, But the 372 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: thing is also, obviously I think they like what they've 373 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: done is amazing, but how much do they owe the 374 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: influencers who helped them get started? So I know, I 375 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: keep saying Steph Claire Smith, but as you said, she 376 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: and Olivia Rodgers were the people that were sharing their podcasts, 377 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: Like that's how I found out about the podcast through 378 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers' Instagram. So it almost seems like they're a 379 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: little bit in debt to the influencers that got them started, 380 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: hence why they perceived good. Yeah, but then again, also, 381 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: do you think there's an element of people wanting to 382 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: be their friends so they don't get critiqued on Shameless. 383 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: Because it's pretty bad for people's careers to be critiqued 384 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: on that. 385 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: Well, it is a good move to kind of become 386 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: friends with them and an ally of Shameless. 387 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 2: But there's been a lot of criticism. 388 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: I've seen online that a lot of the guests that 389 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: Shameless have on and then recycled. So if you look 390 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: at another one, I don't know if you mentioned this 391 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: in the you know, supposed Melbourne click, but Tully's smyce. 392 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: Would be one, oh yeah. 393 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: And she then started a podcast for Mama Mia, which 394 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: I thought was very controversial considering she'd appeared on Shameless 395 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: and she seemed to be friends with the girls, and 396 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: there's obviously that beef between Shameless and Mum and Mia, 397 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: but a lot of the guests are recycled on these podcasts. 398 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: Are the same with Kick and the same with Abbie Chatfield. 399 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: Like it was almost like Kick had Abby Chatfield on 400 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: and then Abby had them on it. I loved both 401 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: of them because I love listening to all those Abby 402 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: was great because Abby actually asked the girls different questions 403 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: and they've never been asked before. I really enjoyed it 404 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: because I saw a completely different side of Laura and Stefph. 405 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: But then you can kind of see in that element 406 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: that Shameless really were the pioneers and that industry of 407 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: getting influences. I think Mom and Mea were, to be honest, 408 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: I think no filter with Mia Freeman that was the 409 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: first one, and I think people are forgetting that because 410 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: obviously they worked for Mum and Mea and they knew 411 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: what was successful for them. Let's be honest as well. 412 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: I think that people often throw around, oh they copied 413 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: this person, this person copy It's a formula that's worked 414 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: around the world. Well. As we've been saying, we are 415 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: big fans of the Shameless podcast and I listen every week. 416 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: It's weird because I understand why they're getting criticism but 417 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: also I find some of it quite unfair, and I 418 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of tall Poppy syndrome going on, 419 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: and also that philosophy that there seems to be a 420 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: sealing for women and success, and it seems like they've 421 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: kind of tipped the edge over being too successful at 422 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: the moment. Oh yeah, because they're not relatable. Well was 423 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: interesting because this tall poppy syndrome kind of fits into 424 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: the element of why influences are grouping together, because there's 425 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: the philosophy if they grow in a group together, it 426 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: could potentially stop their chances of being cut down. So 427 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: in a sense, they protect each other and back each 428 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: other up in this girl click group. And this isn't 429 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: the first time we've seen this happen with influencers. There 430 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: was actually a Brisbane click of YouTubers and it was 431 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: Shiny Grimm and Michael Finch, Lily Brown, Sky Wheatley and 432 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: a few others that they sort of start a grouping together. 433 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: And I suppose it's that thing of Okay, well, I'm 434 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: going to be on your channel and then pick up 435 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: some of your followers, and you do the same for me. 436 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: And even when as far as them going on group holidays, 437 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: and I think that was their peak of their success, 438 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: but then it seemed that the group kind of disbanded 439 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: and there were rumors about people having fights and that 440 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. So it'd be interesting to see how 441 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: it develops with this Melbourne Click Yes is a very 442 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: strong marketing tactic by Shameless. Obviously we've heard them speak 443 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: in podcasts before how there was a lot of strategy 444 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: involved with making their podcast take off, and obviously they 445 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: know if they're associated with the right sort of people 446 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: and being shared on their Instagram accounts, they are going 447 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 1: to get more listeners on board. It's very clever on 448 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: your point so about it being a lucrative marketing strategy. 449 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: Working in PR, you do hear figures tossed around, and 450 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: I did hear from an insider that I think their 451 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: podcast gets about five thousand dollars an episode in sponsorship, 452 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: which good on them. That is amazing if you can 453 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: be making that. So if you look at the number 454 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: of episodes they do too, that's ten thousand dollars between 455 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: them all. Not they do have Annabella Lei their producer. Yeah, 456 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what their deal is with Bumble for Love, etc. 457 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: But it's obviously making them quite a lot of money, which, 458 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: as I said, that is fantastic that they've been able 459 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: to grow it from nothing into something amazing like that. 460 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: But the question is, if you're getting that much money 461 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: a week, do you kind of have to take on 462 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: board the criticism. It's hard because from my perspective, I'd go, 463 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: oh wow, I wouldn't even care what people were saying 464 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: if I could be earning something like that, would you 465 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: really I think that I'd want, you know, my podcast 466 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: to stand for something I was actually passionate. Okay, I 467 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: just mean that there are always going to be people 468 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: out there who troll you, and I actually think what 469 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: is happening at the moment, they are going to lose 470 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: listeners on mass if the reviews continue the way they are. 471 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: I don't know you're saying that, because I think what 472 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: Amy was saying was would you be trolled for that 473 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: amount of money? But you're saying is that they need 474 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: to listen to the reviews. We get bloody trolls and 475 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: we don't get anywhere any of the number of shameless 476 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: and it does hurt, but I feel like you've become 477 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: desensitized to it, so I do understand it would be 478 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: so hurtful if they're receiving comments, but just block. Well, 479 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: I think there's a widespread comments and they're pretty nasty. 480 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: But do you think that that's what you've got to 481 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: expect if you're getting that much money. Well, Michelle Andrews herself, 482 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: when she was talking about Cassidy from Love Ireland, basically said, hey, 483 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: being an influence is a pretty easy job. So if 484 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: the worst of it is trolling, and I'm not saying 485 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: creating a podcast is easy because it's not. It's actually 486 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: very difficult, and they do seem to have a lot 487 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: of other projects. 488 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 2: On the go. 489 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: But also they're in a privileged spot where, hey, they 490 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: are hanging out with these cool people that they used 491 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: to probably idolize, and secondly, they're getting these opportunities that 492 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: no one else is. So I do think you have 493 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: to take it. And that was the interesting thing after 494 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: the public announcement, it seemed like, because I was looking 495 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: forward to hearing what they had to say on Monday's 496 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: episode of the podcast, I was now, you know, with 497 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: the public announcement, you mean their comment regarding trolling. Yeah, 498 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: so after they publicly put on Facebook about they weren't 499 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: happy with the comments that they were receiving, and they 500 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: also mentioned that it was affecting their mental health, which 501 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: is awful. But I was really interested to see what 502 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: they said on this Monday episode, and instead of actually 503 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: answering it head on, they then did an episode on 504 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: the Uncomfortable Reality of internalized misogyny, where they're explored why 505 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: women are hypercritical of other women. But rather than saying, oh, hey, 506 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: this is based on the fact that this is what's 507 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: happened to us and this is why we're talking about it, 508 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: they sent it around Jamila Jamil and her comments, and 509 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: I kind of found it a little bit self serving, 510 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: and that was what a lot of shameless fans did 511 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: come out and say in the review section, What did 512 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: you guys think about it? 513 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: I thought it was a. 514 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: Very well put together topic, but again, I thought it 515 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: was quite self serving. I feel like it would have 516 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: been more powerful if they'd actually spoken about their experience 517 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: and how they felt about being trolled. And we laid 518 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: that back to listeners because they did to touch on 519 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: the fact that some people had said negative things about 520 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: their boyfriends, but it was sort of I felt like 521 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: that was really the tip of the Iceberg, they could 522 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: have really gone into it. But also I think what 523 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: people screaming out for And if I was doing any 524 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: sort of pr related to the girls, I would say, look, 525 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: just acknowledge the comments people are saying that they don't 526 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: like them saying fine footed friend, they don't like the 527 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 1: inside jokes, and do you know what, they could easily 528 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: be cut from the podcast. And when you do have 529 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: a podcast, you have to take constructive criticism on board. 530 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: I mean, if someone was saying that in our reviews 531 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: fifteen times. 532 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: I just get rid of it. 533 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: And that was people's biggest problem is that they didn't 534 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: take the criticism, which was actually from their fan base 535 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: on board that they said it a nice way, yeah, 536 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: and they said it was from troll so they wanted 537 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: them to acknowledge. The following Monday, which was even more surprising, 538 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: they did another polarizing episode about Clementine Ford's reaction to 539 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 1: being trolled by a fourteen year old and subsequently trial 540 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: by social media, putting up his photo for other people 541 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: to comment on. Now, they didn't explore the whole issue 542 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: and pretty much stuck up for Clementine for because she 543 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: is someone that appeared on one of their interviews. Well, 544 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: it was a prime example if I suppose what we're 545 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: talking about them not being able to be balanced in 546 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: what they're talking about. They acknowledge that they had a 547 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: friendship with Clementine Ford, but they were unable to actually 548 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: fairly explore the other side, which people were outraged about. 549 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: And then if that wasn't enough, because that did get 550 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: a lot of backlash, was that they then had her 551 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: on the pod phone saying, oh, hey, you know, it 552 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: was great basically that you stuck up for me and 553 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: it was just really odd and then stick up for 554 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: somebody and show both sides. And I think that's all 555 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: they needed to do. Yeah, they have said hey, I 556 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: mean they did bring up issues about child's suicide, but 557 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: it was actually used as ammunition on Clementine Ford side 558 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: and wasn't used as oh, hey, but we've got to 559 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: be mindful of this. But can I say that's what 560 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: I used to love about their podcast, the fact that 561 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: both Michelle and Zara would have a different opinion on 562 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: the topic. It seems like they're too afraid now to 563 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: disagree on anything or to have an opinion that's bold 564 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: or out there like they used to have. Well, I 565 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: still think they would have their own opinions, but they 566 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: don't want to piss anyone off, especially influential people. Because 567 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: Clementide Ford, I mean, I really like her. She's got 568 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: a great podcast out at the moment, but again she's 569 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: becoming a part of that click. And also her behavior 570 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: was questionable. It's sort of the one of those ones 571 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: that's sort of up in the air. Yeah, I like her, 572 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: Was it right? 573 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:11,239 Speaker 2: Maybe not? 574 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: Well. I definitely think it'll be interesting to see how 575 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: the podcast continues to evolve, particularly with this feedback. And 576 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: what we normally see with tall poppy syndrome is once 577 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: people are cut down, they have another resurgence. So it'll 578 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: be really interesting to keep an eye on what's going 579 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: to happen next. She's the least exciting to look at. 580 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: And now it's time for the pit and peak of 581 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: a social media week, and we have all been frothing 582 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: the peak, which is finding out the cast of money 583 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: heighs Instagram accounts. Now. I have been waiting for Sophie 584 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: and Amy to get on the bandwagon of money heis 585 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: so the last couple of weeks and they started the 586 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: series and they were sort of like, oh no, no, I 587 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: don't like it, and now they both hooked and I 588 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: feel really. 589 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: Proud about that. 590 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: I'm into season three at the moment. We've binged the 591 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: past two seasons in the space of a week. 592 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 2: That is my post life. It is my whole life. 593 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: I was a real asshole last night because I was 594 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: watching it with Dale and then he wanted to go 595 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: to bed, and I was like, oh, yeah, I'll be 596 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: in bed soon. I watched two more episodes, so good. 597 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 1: It was because you know, Sophie was saying it was 598 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: her whole life. I mean, I've been unemployed, so can 599 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: you imagine why I'm. 600 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 2: So obsessed with it. 601 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: I feel like we should give a bit of a 602 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: background of what the show is for someone who might 603 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: want to watch it on Netflix. 604 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: Oh, the thing is for me. 605 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: I feel like it sounds so crap and it would 606 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: be something that I'm not interested in. It's a Spanish 607 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: crime drama and it's amazing. It's addictive anyway. So now 608 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: that I have already watched all four series and I 609 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: probably have to wait a year for the next one, 610 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: which I'm really sad about. My next one. Yeah, there's 611 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: gonna be like two more series. Well, when Netflix gets 612 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: back into production. So I went and followed everyone from 613 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: the show on Instagram, and I go to say, I 614 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: love Denver, even Moore, because he has the cutest cat 615 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. So his name's I think it's like 616 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: Jamie Lorento or something what I think it is. 617 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: Or something like that. 618 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: What has blown my mind though, is the fact that 619 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: these cast members have so many followers. So the Professor, 620 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: who is my favorite character, he looks like an older 621 00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: version of rafae Anadel. 622 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: Now that's crazy. 623 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: He has ten million followers. Well really, the actor that 624 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: plays Denver's got like fifteen million. What I found really 625 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: interesting delving a little into because it's kind of like 626 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: a bit of a mystery because obviously it's not written 627 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: in English. All of their titles and captions are written 628 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: in Spanish. So there was a lot of rumors going 629 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: on that the actress that plays Tokyo and the actor 630 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: that plays Rio are actually together in real life, and 631 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: if you go over their Instagram accounts, there's all these 632 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: like lovey dovey photos and they're all putting like I 633 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: love you so much. But it actually turns out that 634 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 1: she I think her name's Ursula has a boyfriend who 635 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: she's been with since before Money Home. The same thing 636 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: is happening on my other new favorite Netflix Bank so 637 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: on Out of Banks, the two main characters are also 638 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: leaving flows on the Hodges the hot two hot people, Yeah, 639 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: the hot John B and Sarah are both leaving messages 640 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: on each other's pages. These are these obsessed groups, you 641 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: know that people that ship. No, no, these are the actors, 642 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: But I think Netflix are probably behind. I feel like 643 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: they're like make them more interesting. Okay, I have to 644 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: say if you're interested in Out of Banks goss, so, 645 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: John B and Sarah they're actually isolating together in real life, 646 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: but it's also a number of the other cast members, 647 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: so there's about five of them all living in one 648 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: property together at the moment. Well, I will trump your 649 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: goss by saying we did have it on our website 650 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: last week, and it's probably old news because they've been 651 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: dating for two years. 652 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: But I'm interested in this. 653 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: The actor that plays Denver and the actor that plays 654 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: Alison Parker are also isolating together, and they've been boyfriend 655 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: and girlfriends since twenty eighteen and just moving on to 656 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: the pit of the week. For me, it had to 657 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: have been Chloe Zepp and Mitchell Orvil's latest YouTube. Now, 658 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: I love their content on YouTube, but it was probably 659 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: poor timing. It was Chloe Zepp picking up her brand 660 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: new Audi, which what an amazing car, but it coincided 661 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: with the drop of her new ativwear line, and I 662 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: feel like, in the current climate, it was probably a 663 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: poor choice to put it up. Yeah, there's a little 664 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: bit tone deaf to be bragging about all of your 665 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: active wear have sold out and the very same day 666 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: you're picking up a brand new Audi and then going 667 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: back to your huge mansion that you're renting. It was 668 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: kind of an interesting insight into how quickly her Cheloe 669 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: zep range does sell, because they showed the sort of 670 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: analytics of the website and they showed one than three 671 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: hundred people in the carp section so buying her stuff. 672 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: And I think you said her shorts about seventy five bucks, 673 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: so it's probably like she probably made what like eighty 674 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: grand that day. It was funny because I'm so influenced 675 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: that day. I think I messaged both of you with 676 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: the shorts because she actually hadn't announced what time she 677 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: was dropping them, and I was like, is it just me? 678 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: Or does anyone like these shorts? Like I was so 679 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: sucked in because it's so bad. You just see them 680 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: on everyone and you're like, they're cool, but they probably 681 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: costs like nothing to make. I just think I'm all 682 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: for people making money from their own business. I just 683 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: think it wasn't the best timing to be showing off 684 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: such a large scale purchase like that. 685 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. I mean I don't know why. Why 686 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 2: does it have to be on Instagram and YouTube? It 687 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: could have been private. 688 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: I'd like to toast to Stacy Michael for having the 689 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: Fakeers relationship and Australian reality TV history. Now moving on 690 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: to our reality TV wrap of the world, and probably 691 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: my favorite story going around is the fact that it 692 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: seems Kieran from last year's series of The Bachelorette and 693 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: Tully's smyth of course we spoke about earlier at dating 694 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: I can now totally see them together, Like it makes 695 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: a lot of sense to me. 696 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 697 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: So I actually did a major stalk because, as Kate mentioned, oh, 698 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to plug our website, but we do 699 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: have an entertainment website, and I became interested in what 700 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: Kieran was up to because he's of course appearing on 701 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise and I couldn't help but notice comments 702 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: from Tully kept popping up, and so I did a 703 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: little digging and they are totally dating all of the 704 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: comments that oh I took this photo, She's taken about 705 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: five of his recent Instagram photos. They's love heart, says 706 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: Kissy Faces. There was one photo that Kieran put up 707 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: of him lying on with some ad for Koala mattresses 708 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: or beds or whatever it is. He wrote something about, oh, 709 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: who wants to join me? And she wrote I heard you. 710 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: Hog the bed? 711 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: Well, this is what I don't get because Channel ten 712 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: keep delaying The Bachelor in Paradise. But I feel like 713 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: the producers must be getting so annoyed because so many 714 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: of the people on it have big public profile. Say 715 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: Brittany Hockley, she has her own podcast called Life on Cut, 716 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: and it's quite. 717 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: Clear that she is single. 718 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, or she's a very good actor. Well she did 719 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: do acting schools. 720 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: Obviously. 721 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield she's got her own podcast too, and she's 722 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: talking about her ex boyfriend who she loves so yeah, 723 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: but on her recent one she said that they'd broken 724 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: up and also I found it really interesting. But she 725 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: said she was dating Todd when the Bachelor series that 726 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: she was on was airing. Yeah, I was like, wow, 727 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: this is some great tea. But we also look at 728 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: the new Bachelor Lockeye and he's now sliding into all 729 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: these different girls dms as well. So what is going on? 730 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: I say, doesn't seem to be treating the Bachelor franchise 731 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: very well. There's also this story about Bachelor fave Tim Robarts, 732 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: of course the original Bachelor. He was caught leaving an 733 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: eggplant emoji on Tully's smife's photo. 734 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 2: What's Karen going to think about that? Anne? Anna? Isn't 735 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: Anna pregnant? 736 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: So the photo was of Tully and it was I 737 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: think it was kind of a you could see some 738 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: boob going on, some cleavage going on, and the post 739 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: was meant to be some advertisement for some facials. She'd 740 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: had something to do with her skin, and she said, oh, 741 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: you've got to protect your biggest organ. And then Tim 742 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: rode under. Well, he put the egg bland emoji and 743 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,959 Speaker 1: then a winking face and said something about referring that 744 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: that was his biggest organ, which is him look like 745 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: a complete way, So is he thinking, how did he 746 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: think that that would be received that if you're going 747 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: to do it, well, I think it would be weird 748 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: to d M. The Daily Mail wrote an article about 749 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: it and they reached out for Tim for comment and 750 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: he said that it was apparently a joke. 751 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 2: Of course, I wonder if I found it funny. Probably not. 752 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: Probably not. 753 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: Well, I am. 754 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: The only one that's still watching Master Chef, so I 755 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: will have to give a bit of a wrap up 756 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: of the week that was because it was a very 757 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: sad week for me. I had flashbacks of when I 758 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: was twenty when Hayden Quinn got kicked off, because he 759 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: was kicked off again last night and it was quite 760 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: devastating it with a diacon or whatever it was that 761 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: he didn't come off. It was actually quite embarrassing because 762 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: the first round he cooked dumplings and he was going 763 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: on how some of the other contestants helped him and 764 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: they said they were really good the night before, and 765 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: then he cooked them and they were raw no reason, 766 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: and I were joking that these guys. 767 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 2: Are probably like, yeah, yeah, they're really good, you should 768 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 2: cook them tomorrow because they were shit. 769 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: And then he cooked some meat and it was overcooked, 770 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, he left. But I suppose the bigger news 771 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: was the fact that Katie Perry joined the Master Chef kitchen, 772 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: and this was chaotic. I was kind of just expecting 773 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: her to come in and take her money, be a 774 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: bit bland, but no, it was completely the opposite. She 775 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: was singing, she was playing up to the camera, she 776 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: was sleeping a bit sexual with the judges and the contestants. 777 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: So there was a contestant called Sarah who obviously had 778 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of a crush on her because the 779 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: first thing she said to Katy Perry was oh my god, 780 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 1: you're so gorgeous, and she was sweating and really nervous, 781 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: and then whenever she got the chance, Katie would walk 782 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: up to her and whisper like ten minutes to go 783 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: when her ear and stuff. And what also was funny 784 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 1: was apparently she sprained her thumbs so she couldn't even 785 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: cut up the food, so a lot of women out 786 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: there would have been jealous because Jock was cutting up 787 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: her food and shouldn't have been. And she actually said 788 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: thanks Daddy, which then Andy repeated, so it was hilarious. 789 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 1: There was also the incident with Reese, who was clearly 790 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: a massive fan of her, and he was just frothing 791 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: her the whole time. And when he served the cake 792 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: he made, she then folded up a napkin, held it 793 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: up to her boobs and said, Reese, you're the tits 794 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: and everyone just lost it. It was actually an amazing episode. 795 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: Just moving on from Master Chef and on to Big Brother. 796 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: I think a lot of ladies are going to be 797 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: very excited because Big Brother have announced they're putting in 798 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: what they're labeling the hottest housemate ever. 799 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 2: Have you guys seen him? Yes, I did. Chad Hurst 800 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: is his name. He was one of those tattoo guys, 801 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 2: wasn't he. 802 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well he's a model and he's also a trade 803 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: He looks really good in his modeling pictures, as in 804 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: his face he looks like. 805 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 2: A model, but not his body. Well I don't really 806 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 2: like tattoos. But what about Blair mcdonnough. Wasn't he the 807 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 2: hottest housemaid of He was very cute. 808 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: Yeah that was twenty years ago when we were twelve, 809 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,479 Speaker 1: So I was a twelve year old. 810 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 2: I did think he was attractive. 811 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder, 812 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: but to me, when I saw that they were touting 813 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: him as the hottest contestant ever, I kind of cringed it. 814 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: But he kind of looks like a stripper. Oh do 815 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: you know who I think is the hottest contestant? Drew? 816 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 2: Yes, Drew. She was the one that Tully smile. 817 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: We keep talking about in the second Oh, I forgot 818 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: about Drew. Yeah, he'd probably be him and Blair. I reckon, 819 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: maybe we'll do a hierarchy. But yeah, we've got to 820 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: see his personality though, because I feel like personality really 821 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: does come into looks. Well, he's a BONDI personal trainer. 822 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't like the sound of it. 823 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: But apparently, because obviously Big Brother's already been filmed, there's 824 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: rumors that he hooks up with another housemates. So there's 825 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: going to be another Big Brother romance. And she's a 826 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: former Olympic gymnast. Of course that's what the show needs. 827 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: We need some romance. 828 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 2: Can they just hurry up and put it on TV? 829 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: Please give it a thumbs up, give it a life, 830 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 2: because it really. 831 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: Supports my channel. Well, let's finish up today's podcast with 832 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: a little bit of awkward turtle. Now, Sophie, I don't 833 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: know why, but you're always seemed to filling us in 834 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: awkward turtle. Yeah, it's been a little bit awkward for 835 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: the past couple of months because I live in a 836 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: gated community, so that sounds like you're like Oscar Forstorias. 837 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 2: It's just a. 838 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: It's not a unit, it's a townhouse. We've got six 839 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: townhouses in our little gated community. And it is bloody 840 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: annoying because so if he never answers her door, so 841 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: you're always out at the gate and you're calling. 842 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 2: Over her and she won't answer anyway. 843 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: Anyway, So for ages like the whole time we've been there, 844 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: we've been there for a year and a half and 845 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: we haven't had any neighbor next door, so it's been great. Anyway, 846 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: we discovered that the place was being put up for rent, 847 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: and our new neighbors they're a family of four and 848 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: the dad is a priest, and we have been a 849 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 1: little bit on edge since we found out that news 850 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 1: because we've really done didn't we discuss that he can't 851 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: be a priest because they actually can't. 852 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 2: Get married sorry a pastor. He's a pastor. It was 853 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 2: a little bit different. He worked at the church down 854 00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 2: the rope. 855 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,760 Speaker 1: Anyway, they are literally liked the Brady Bunch. The interaction 856 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: between him and his daughter, it's so heartwarming and beautiful, 857 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's just so cringe. They're 858 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: always The other day he was out the front teaching 859 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: his daughter how to ride her bike, and he's not 860 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: a monster, He's lovely like that. They were singing together. 861 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: They were playing the guitar. 862 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 2: That just reminds me of us and Dad. Yeah. 863 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: Anyway, my boyfriend Brannon was cleaning out our garage and 864 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm outside hanging up the washing and I hear the 865 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: father and daughter out in the yard singing Kumbaya or 866 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: whatever they were singing, and all of a sudden, I 867 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: just hear this swearing emerge from the garage with sea 868 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: bombs being dropped in the air. 869 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 2: Word. I was like, oh my gosh, he's gonna hear us. 870 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 2: And it was just hilarious. 871 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: The absolute comparison from next door to our house, and 872 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,760 Speaker 1: there was a lot of I just felt really guilty 873 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: about it. It's funny you say that because you've got 874 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 1: a pastor living next door. I have a garbage man 875 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: living next to Yes. I thought Race was joking, and 876 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: he is a lovely man. 877 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 2: But I've got to say, he and his wife and. 878 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: Kids scream all the time. And I am in this 879 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: position where I'm like looking down at them because normally 880 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: when the three of us were living together, we had 881 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: the noisy house. 882 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 2: And it is such a funny thing. 883 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: Isn't it funny? Though, because I feel like you could 884 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: never be friends with your neighbors because they just know 885 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: too much about you. Well, I feel like there's smug 886 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: people that they don't really know much about us. And 887 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they had a kitten out the front 888 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 1: that a cat and it keeps pissing on our porch. 889 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: And then the other day there was just this random kitten. 890 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, why is it out the front? 891 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 2: It's just hilarious. 892 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a fun idea. Head to our community, 893 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: which has outspoken the podcast community and tell us if 894 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: you've got a strange neighbor. I didn't answer the conversation 895 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: because I'm actually our windows open and our. 896 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 2: Neighbors sit very close. Hear a dog next door? 897 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: Bar Yeah, sorry about that everyone, you know. Adding onto 898 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: the strange neighbors conversation, we actually had a friend and 899 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: they started a relationship with their neighbor next door. 900 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 2: They were in a half house and when they. 901 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: Split up, it was incredibly bringing someone else back or 902 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: having a date. 903 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 2: Person's just spying on you. 904 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: Wow, all right, well, I'd love to hear they don't 905 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: have to be weird stories. It could even be a 906 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: nice like Ramsey Street neighbor moment. 907 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's. 908 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 1: All we've got time for today. 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